From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #243 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 08 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [Joseph Zitt ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: More BUFFY.... ["John Zimmer" ] concert films ["Donald G. Keller" ] kate bush/mtv ["Donald G. Keller" ] RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies ["Jack Sutton" ] RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [meredith ] Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [Jeffrey Burka ] RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies ["Foghorn J. Fornorn" ] Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [Joseph Zitt ] RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies ["Foghorn J. Fornorn" ] RE: concert films ["Dave Williamson" ] Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:07:57 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:42:45 -0700 "William Mazur" wrote: > 6) Peter Gabriel - "Secret World Live". This is my single favorite concert film. Just amazing in all ways. Tony Levin's band at its best, with a coupla good singers :-). When I dream of doing rock music again, it's stuff like this that I imagine -- though the immense expense of doing it keeps the dreams in the wish barrel. Other favorites include Madonna's "Blonde Ambition" tour video (IIRC, released only on laserdisc), Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave", and U2's "Zoo TV", as well as several that you've mentioned. I wish each of these were on DVD. Maddeningly, I only just discovered this evening that we do get AMC on cable in the common room, meaning that I missed "Ziggy Stardust" and "The Last Waltz". Wah! - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Meredith Tarr (meth@smoe.org) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius David Beery Tue January 20 1976 drum Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Peter Clark Thu March 04 1948 Pedestrian Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. 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Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Sr. SAFH Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist Mike Connell Sat June 18 1955 Apollo David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. 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Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Amanda Williams Tue August 05 1969 phoenix Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Rosana L. de Oliveira Wed August 08 1973 Leo Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Michael Stevens Sat August 12 1967 For Sale or Lease Loretta Pontillo Tue August 15 1978 Leo Queen of the Jungle Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Kerry White Wed August 22 1951 Exact Leo/Virgo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. 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Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Marla Tiara Tue November 13 1973 Scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Lenore December 05 sagi Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:58:51 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: More BUFFY.... Also sprach irvin lin : >> show up to slay Britney's character! A fanboy can dream, anyway... ;) > I had thought that the BRITNEY rumor was just that, a rumor. Apparently > someone interviewed SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR about it, and she said there > was no way that they would cast BRITNEY and that it was a horrible lie. Glad to hear it. I remember hoping that would be the case, but at the time the announcement sounded awfully definite. Another good reason to look forward to next season! :) Ecto content...hmm...did I mention how good the Jonatha Brooke show was last night? Oh yeah, I did. Oh well... John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:10:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: concert films My choice for the best concert film ever is =The Last Waltz=. And I say that as someone who wasn't a Band fan when I went to see it (I was there for the guests: Neil Young--who was coked up and out of it--Joni Mitchell, etc. etc.) but was a Band fan when I came out. Played the soundtrack to death, probably will buy the full four-CD version...but I've never responded as strongly to the Band's other work, oddly enough. =Stop Making Sense= is right behind; and in this case I can say from personal experience that the film is even =better= than seeing the show live (I saw the Seattle stop of that tour and was underwhelmed). =The Song Remains the Same= is way up there also: my best buddy at the time and I were so high (without substance enhancement) afterwards that we had to walk around for two hours before we could go home to sleep. Other contenders previously mentioned that I'll also endorse: the Pink Floyd film, =Woodstock=, that early Yes film (with the awesome "Wurm" section of "Starship Troopers" at the end), Kate Bush's Hammersmith Odeon show. And add a couple others off the top of my head: =Gimme Shelter= (though I'm no Stones fan, either), Neil Young's =Rust Never Sleeps= (in this case the live performance was even better), and a personal favorite, =Stevie Nicks in Concert= (from an eary 80s HBO broadcast also known as =White-Winged Dove=). If you respond to her music at all, you might agree that this captures her at the peak of her career. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: kate bush/mtv While I'm at it, a contribution to the slightly earlier discussion. I encountered Kate Bush very early: I read about her in Simon Frith's column in =Creem= magazine in the mid-70s, and I remember bringing home a used/promo copy of =The Kick Inside= and starting on side 2 (since "Wuthering Heights" had been mentioned in the column), and wondering whether I was playing it at the right speed(!). I =think= I'd already heard the album by the time she was on =Saturday Night Live= (with Paul Schafer on piano), which I saw when it was first broadcast. But somehow I lost track of her sometime during the next couple of albums, and never got to be as big a fan as most people here. We didn't have cable until a little while into the MTV "classic era" (if we might so term it). I remember many evenings when my friend Tom would bring over a stack of albums and we'd turn on MTV with no sound and listen to albums until something interesting came on the TV. (One of these sessions was where I first heard the Cure's great album =Pornography=.) I'm really surprised to hear so many speak fondly of that Golden Earring video; for some reason I =hated= it, whether the music or the video I don't remember, because I got to the point where I'd literally turn off the TV when it came on. It would be interesting to get my daughter Deirdre's memories of MTV, becase she was about three when we started to watch it; she would dance in front of the TV with her shawl whenever a Stevie Nicks video came on. And I remember her commentary on U2's "New Year's Day" (one I particularly liked myself): "They're playing in the snow!" "The piano plays by itself!" Observant child. One other interesting item I remember is David Bowie's short film "Dancing for Blue Jean" (title possibly mangled), which, like "Thriller," was much longer than most videos but still got major airplay when it was new (I think I still have it on tape somewhere). And I haven't watched MTV much since I moved to New York in 1989, so I missed most of its decline; the last important MTV moment for me, I think, was seeing Tori Amos for the first time (the video for "Silent All These Years") at a friend's house. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:21:28 -0700 From: "Jack Sutton" Subject: RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies I agree the Last Waltz is one of the great ones. I just got the DVD version and a special feature of the DVD is a conversation between Martin Scorsese and Robbie Robertson on the making of the film. Besides having a great line-up, the genius of Martin Scorsese helped make this concert movie so wonderful. He sketched out on paper, every song, every break, every solo, every chorus change and the positioning of the 5 cameras for each event. I was impressed with his methodic approach and the results speak for themselves. Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music www.hrmusic.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Russ Van Rooy Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:02 PM To: Ecto Subject: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Sittin' hear watching Neil Young sing "Helpless" in the movie "The Last Waltz" on AMC this afternoon, it occurs to me that I'm watching one of the great concert movies ever made. Rollingstone's May issue in fact does call it the best. What do other ectophiles out there consider to be the best concert movies ? Also I'd place "Woodstock" in the number one position except maybe it goes on a little too long. And lastly, just saw "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" - now there's a great music movie ! Happy Labor Day weekend everyone ! =- Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:50:01 -0400 From: meredith Subject: RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Hi, I am so out of it when it comes to concert films. I wish I'd known about the AMC marathon ahead of time, so I could have had TiVo grab a few of them (especially _Ziggy Stardust_ and anything involving Joni Mitchell). Ah, well. _Stop Making Sense_ is one I always loved, but then I was a huge Talking Heads fan when I was in high school and college. Thanks to woj we have _Storefront Hitchcock_ (a Robyn Hitchcock concert film also done by Jonathan Demme), but I have been lame and haven't watched it yet. woj saw it several times when it was in theaters around here, though. _Home Of The Brave_ is one I've never managed to see in its entirety, and I dearly wish it would come out on DVD. In fact, they should put out a whole DVD collection of Laurie Anderson's short films and videos and everything. (What was the name of that short film anthology show on PBS that she used to host in the 80's?) But failing that, if any of you ever stumble across a VHS copy of _Home Of The Brave_ for a reasonable price, I would greatly appreciate it if you'd grab it for me. I'll also pay the shipping to get it to me. (I see that there's a used copy up on ebay, but it looks like it might not be in the greatest condition.) ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:25:56 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies meth sez: > I was a huge Talking Heads fan when I was in high school and college. So does that mean you went insane with joy when you got Veda's _Silver_? (I got my copies of _Auditorium_ and _Silver_ at the beginning of the week. On the first couple of listens, I think I like _Silver_ better, but then it's always hard to tell with new Veda music; it can take months to sink in) jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 From: "Foghorn J. Fornorn" Subject: RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Got to chime in about "Stop Making Sense", a great concert well presented on film. In the DVD arena, noteworthy is King Crimson's "Deja Vrooom", one of the first that I know of to try to exploit DVD's features for concert movies, like camera angle selection on certain tracks: you can view it focusing on Robert Fripp, or Adrian Belew, etc. Plus the 'build your own Schizoid Man' feature is kinda cute, where you mix the song as you like choosing from the various lineups and reformations of the band over the years: e.g. vocals by Greg Lake, with the Levin/Bruford rhythm section, and a violin solo by David Cross. It's also the only DVD I've seen that exploits the ability to have data on both sides of the media; this is interesting until you realize you have a 50-50 chance of getting the side you want on the first try, because there's no printing on it. Re: Kate Hammersmith concert: this was one of my first purchased concert videotapes, in the early 80's, even before VHS Hi-Fi stereo came along. At the time it did come along, a friend of mine who was working in sales of video equipment touted the superiority of Beta's implementation of HiFi stereo over VHS. He convinced me to buy a Beta machine, at least as a 2nd VCR. He had also been able to make us high quality Beta dubs of Hammersmith from laserdisc. This lasted me a long time. Eventually my beloved old Beta machine died a slow and agonizing death, and I came to the realization that there were certain things I never got around to replacing from the Beta format, Hammersmith being one. A couple of years ago I was shopping amazon.com and noticed they carried it, HiFi VHS coupled with an audio CD. I bought it, and when I went to play the CD - horrors! - it was some rap/hip-hop outfit, certainly not Kate, but labeled Kate nonetheless. Obviously a manufacturing screwup, I exchanged it - four times! Every time the CD was the same. I wound up writing a letter to some amazon.com support person saying, go ahead, open one from stock and try the CD - if it has this many tracks, it's bad, if it has this many, it's probably really Kate. They never sent me another one, refunded all my money, and haven't listed it since. Last spring I stumbled on a used/overstock web site that had it listed: a Hi-Fi VHS copy, for $6.59 (amazon was asking about $30 at the time). At first I wondered if it was someone selling THEIR vintage 1981 non-HiFi copy, but it was listed with a release date of 1994, so I figured it's gotta be full HiFi stereo. It arrives (shrinkwrapped, not a used copy), and it has the bonus CD. I laugh at it figuring its probably another defect, which at this point I didn't care, at least I had the video again. Lo and behold, the CD is the real thing. One of the rare triumphs in my adventures in modern commerce. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 13:47:14 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: kate bush/mtv On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:30:15 -0400 (EDT) "Donald G. Keller" wrote: > One other interesting item I remember is David Bowie's short film > "Dancing for Blue Jean" (title possibly mangled), which, like > "Thriller," was much longer than most videos but still got major > airplay when it was new (I think I still have it on tape somewhere). "Jazzin' for Blue Jean" http://www.algonet.se/~earflaps/bowie/mp84.htm Yeah, that was a hoot! I think my favorite single Bowie video is "Loving the Alien", which was, I think, also on the same VHS release. I understand there will be a Bowie compilation DVD in the next couple of months. I hope both are on it. - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 13:51:54 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 "Foghorn J. Fornorn" wrote: > In the DVD arena, noteworthy is King Crimson's "Deja Vrooom", one of > the first that I know of to try to exploit DVD's features for concert > movies, like camera angle selection on certain tracks: you can view it > focusing on Robert Fripp, or Adrian Belew, etc. Plus the 'build your > own Schizoid Man' feature is kinda cute, where you mix the song as you > like choosing from the various lineups and reformations of the band > over the years: e.g. vocals by Greg Lake, with the Levin/Bruford > rhythm section, and a violin solo by David Cross. It's also the only > DVD I've seen that exploits the ability to have data on both sides of > the media; this is interesting until you realize you have a 50-50 > chance of getting the side you want on the first try, because there's > no printing on it. IIRC (My copy being on the wrong coast right now), there's tiny writing on the inner ring that shows which side's which. I have a few other early DVDs with material on both sides, but that's fallen out of fashion. I suspect it's just easier to use two different discs (due to the problem that you describe) and that, while it probably doesn't cost much more to manufacture and ship double discs, people will pay more for them. n.p. Bruce Springsteen live in Las Vegas, 08-18-2002 n.r. A couple of issues of Perspectives of New Music from the wonderful Berkeley Public Library. > > Re: Kate Hammersmith concert: this was one of my first purchased > concert videotapes, in the early 80's, even before VHS Hi-Fi stereo > came along. At the time it did come along, a friend of mine who was > working in sales of video equipment touted the superiority of Beta's > implementation of HiFi stereo over VHS. He convinced me to buy a Beta > machine, at least as a 2nd VCR. He had also been able to make us high > quality Beta dubs of Hammersmith from laserdisc. This lasted me a long > time. Eventually my beloved old Beta machine died a slow and agonizing > death, and I came to the realization that there were certain things I > never got around to replacing from the Beta format, Hammersmith being > one. A couple of years ago I was shopping amazon.com and noticed they > carried it, HiFi VHS coupled with an audio CD. I bought it, and when I > went to play the CD - horrors! - it was some rap/hip-hop outfit, > certainly not Kate, but labeled Kate nonetheless. Obviously a > manufacturing screwup, I exchanged it - four times! Every time the CD > was the same. I wound up writing a letter to some amazon.com support > person saying, go ahead, open one from stock and try the CD - if it > has this many tracks, it's bad, if it has this many, it's probably > really Kate. They never sent me another one, refunded all my money, > and haven't listed it since. > > Last spring I stumbled on a used/overstock web site that had it > listed: a Hi-Fi VHS copy, for $6.59 (amazon was asking about $30 at > the time). At first I wondered if it was someone selling THEIR vintage > 1981 non-HiFi copy, but it was listed with a release date of 1994, so > I figured it's gotta be full HiFi stereo. It arrives (shrinkwrapped, > not a used copy), and it has the bonus CD. I laugh at it figuring its > probably another defect, which at this point I didn't care, at least I > had the video again. Lo and behold, the CD is the real thing. > > One of the rare triumphs in my adventures in modern commerce. - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:00:57 -0400 From: "Foghorn J. Fornorn" Subject: RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies >> there's tiny writing on the inner ring that shows which side's which. Yes, you are correct, there is some printing on the inner ring that identifies the side. With a relatively low power electron microscope, and when the earth is in a favorable alignment in the celestial sphere, I can actually read it. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Sep 2002 01:07:43 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies [Joseph Zitt]: > > I have a few other early DVDs with material on both sides, but > that's fallen out of fashion. I suspect it's just easier to use > two different discs (due to the problem that you describe) and > that, while it probably doesn't cost much more to manufacture and > ship double discs, people will pay more for them. the early discs only had one layer on each side. the first layer is 4.7 GB, the second layer is 3.84 GB. this means that these "flippers" had a total capacity of 9.4 GB (so they're called DVD10), while the one sided two layer discs common now hold 8.54 GB (DVD9). two sided discs are actually two slightly thinner discs which are glued together, so the production cost are the same or perhaps higher, and the only advantage is that you can use single disc packaging. single sided discs can have silk screens, which makes them more convenient for the end user. some DVD18 discs exist, but they are pretty rare. it seems like DVD18 + DVD9 is used in some limited editions so that they can use double disc packaging. np: Karen Matheson: The Dreaming Sea (the vocalist of Capercaille) nr: J.D. Salinger: The Catcher in the Rye - -- Kjetil T. ==. ,,==. ,,==. ,,==. ,,==. ,,== ::://:::://:::://:::://:::://:::: =='' `=='' `=='' `=='' `=='' `== http://folding.stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:40:38 +0000 From: "Lyle Howard" Subject: Concert Films Hola, I have fond memories of _Rude Boy_, a circa 1980 drama/documentary about the Clash. I haven't seen it in twenty years, but it made me think the Clash was a very good band and interesting to see in action. Concert films are like science fiction films: Can it be that hard to get it right? There are great bands out there; there are great directors. Can't a little synergy occur so that we get a great film? Bye, Lyle _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:38:10 -0400 From: "Dave Williamson" Subject: RE: concert films Interesting footnote on Neil being coked up that night - Scorcese and Robbie Robertson actually had to recolor the video of Neil because the white stuff was just hanging off his nose and highly evident in the footage on Helpless. They had long debates on whether to leave it in or not, and in the end erred on the side of cleaning it up. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Donald G. Keller Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:10 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: concert films My choice for the best concert film ever is =The Last Waltz=. And I say that as someone who wasn't a Band fan when I went to see it (I was there for the guests: Neil Young--who was coked up and out of it--Joni Mitchell, etc. etc.) but was a Band fan when I came out. Played the soundtrack to death, probably will buy the full four-CD version...but I've never responded as strongly to the Band's other work, oddly enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:50:34 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:00:57 -0400 "Foghorn J. Fornorn" wrote: > >> there's tiny writing on the inner ring that shows which side's > >which. > > Yes, you are correct, there is some printing on the inner ring that > identifies the side. With a relatively low power electron microscope, > and when the earth is in a favorable alignment in the celestial > sphere, I can actually read it. Yeah, I had to hold it really close to my face to tell. But I rarely watched that disc much -- it struck me as murky and frustrating, and the six-member Crimson didn't grab me as much as the four member bands that preceded it (and are video'd well on "Live from Japan" and "The Noise: Live from Frejus" (how the heck does one pronounce "Frejus"?)) and followed it (which has a good video on the 2nd Enhanced CD disk on the live Heavy ConstruKction). - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #243 **************************