From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #242 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 08 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Buffy stuff (and some possible Ecto content) [Joseph Zitt ] Jonatha Brooke in Portland ["John Zimmer" ] More BUFFY.... [irvin lin ] Terami's new cd and west coast dates [Jerene Waite ] Re: Live At The House O'Muzak Returns! ["Jeffrey Hanson" ] Re: Buffy stuff [John Higdon ] semi-OT: Great Concert Movies ["Russ Van Rooy" ] Re: Buffy stuff [Joseph Zitt ] RE: Terami's new cd and west coast dates ["Amy" ] Re: Buffy stuff [Sherlyn Koo ] Fwd: live info [meredith ] Re: Fwd: live info [Joseph Zitt ] Eli Whitney Folk Festival [meredith ] RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies ["William Mazur" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:34:48 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Buffy stuff (and some possible Ecto content) On 31 Aug 2002 15:26:39 +1000 andrew fries wrote: > IF true, it would be the > first bit of good news I've heard about the next season.. Because > frankly I'm disappointed with the direction Buffy takes in season > seven! You see, I must be one of the few people on the planet who > LOVED season six.I thought it was amazingly brave, taking huge chances > - a work of genius, flawed though it might be. But season seven > appears to just give in to the commercial pressures, and what's so > great about that? Happy, happy, what fun to slay the monsters! Blah. I > can't help being disappointed.. I'm not terribly excited about > recycling old characters, either. There's a talk of The Master coming > back, and Glory - haven't we got rid of them already? I suppose that > would apply to Faith as well, but I'm willing to make exception for > her :) I find that I connected more with season six than I had before. Several of its episodes ("One More With Feeling", "Normal Again", and possibly "Hell's Bells") were as good as anything they've done, and a few scenes (Buffy's revelation to Spike about where she had been, and Tara's monologue reuniting with Willow, for example) were just about perfect. But much of the season felt off-balance to me. I could never get more than annoyed at the nemesisisisisises, and (except for that reunion), the Willow/Tara breakup storyline, and the heavyhanded magic<->drugs correlation seemed clumsy. And the finale, good as it was in points, just didn't work for me through much of it; try as I might, I couldn't see Willow going so far over the edge that she'd try to destroy the world. OTOH, much of what was going on may be explained or recontextualized by what happens early next season. But I was actually surprised by going back and reading some of the older scripts, at how light and funny much of the show had been. I'd like to see some of that return. The word we've gotten so far about next season makes me pretty much certain that it's the end of the series. There's a real feel of recapitulation to it, with the return to the high school, the reappearance in some form or other of an array of previous characters, and the return in mood to the beginning. It seems quite clear that Buffy herself wouldn't be around (at least as the same actress) for an eighth season, and it makes sense to let it go out on a high note. We have way too many examples of shows that have staggered on post-mortem or spun off weak sequels. AfterM*A*S*H comes to mind, as does Archie Bunker's Place (though they may be outside the memories of the MTV generation :-]). Dawn has felt like a bit of a Cousin Oliver since she appeared, and they seem to have pretty much forgotten that she's actually some sort of massively powerful artifact. It's hard to believe that Joss would just not get around to playing that card, or that he could do so without it being somehow cataclysmic. (I have a hunch that it will happen in the finale, and a suspicion as to what may happen.) Which is way more than I was intending to spew! - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Marcel Rijs (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:28:52 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Jonatha Brooke in Portland Just another grand night out at the Aladdin. :) The opening act for Jonatha and her band was...Jonatha, solo on acoustic guitar. We were all *so* disappointed -- NOT. I think the warmth of the reception she received may have surprised her somewhat, she seemed a bit taken aback, but recovered quickly. After the first song, she remarked, "My mom would say 'I'm twitterpated.' I'm not used to opening for myself, so I'm *really* nervous..." :) For the rest of the night, she was in quite the goofy, chatty mood. We also found out that she's getting married this Wednesday, apparently somewhere in France. This fact also led to her cutting quite the wide swath shopping her way through town, including a stop at a lingerie store which became a nice little "...bridal shower for myself. I'd really like to show you what I bought, but I can't!" ;) All in all, a very nice acoustic set from the "opening act". And of course, when she and her most excellent band (Goffrey Moore is a guitar god) all came out and plugged in, they proceeded to tear the roof off the place. Lots of material from Steady Pull (my main exposure to her music thus far, a lack which will be rectified) that had folks dancin' in the aisles, and Jonatha did a little booty-shaking herself when the opportunity presented itself. A really great show. As I've mentioned before, I've yet to see a bad show at the Aladdin. And I'd see Jonatha again in a heartbeat. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:39:30 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: More BUFFY.... > From: "John Zimmer" > > Hey -- maybe > Faith will > show up to slay Britney's character! A fanboy can dream, anyway... ;) I had thought that the BRITNEY rumor was just that, a rumor. Apparently someone interviewed SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR about it, and she said there was no way that they would cast BRITNEY and that it was a horrible lie. I can only hope so. Though I hear she did a wonderful job in CROSSROADS.... Heh. > From: andrew fries > But I believe it is not officially confirmed? IF true, it would be the > first bit of good news I've heard about the next season.. Because > frankly I'm disappointed with the direction Buffy takes in season seven! > You see, I must be one of the few people on the planet who LOVED season > six.I thought it was amazingly brave, taking huge chances - a work of > genius, flawed though it might be. I wanted to like season six so much. I really did. But it was terrible. It had great themes, and great ideas but the execution was atrocious. When they had WILLOW recite lines like "BUFFY'S GONE, SHE'S REALLY GONE" forty five times in the season premiere alone, it should have tipped it off for me that the season was going to suck. How about getting the actors to actually ACT as opposed to spout off flat and emotionless lines? Grrrr.... > But season seven appears to just give > in to the commercial pressures, and what's so great about that? Happy, > happy, what fun to slay the monsters! Blah. I can't help being > disappointed.. I'm not terribly excited about recycling old characters, > either. There's a talk of The Master coming back, and Glory - haven't we > got rid of them already? I suppose that would apply to Faith as well, > but I'm willing to make exception for her :) > I don't know, I just think I liked Buffy better when it really went on > the edge. Grrr. Don't get me started on why I hated season six. I do look forward to season seven, not because they are recycling characters and concepts (they did that enough in season six - being invisible, being stuck in a house unable to leave, etc. etc.) but because I am just hopeful that they get their act together and start writing smart intelligent episodes again, instead of the dreck I had to watch week after week last year. I've been trying to avoid reading spoilers, but from the rumors that have leaked into my email box and such, what I hear is that they are trying to get ALL the villains to come back for one specific scene. I am not sure what that is all about, but they are trying to bring back ADAM as well as the MASTER and GLORY and DRUISILLA as well as HARMONY (I LOVE LOVE LOVE HARMONY - - remember when she had minions?!?!?!!). I wonder if they will bring back DARLA (which would be weird as she was so pivotal last season on ANGEL) or the MAYOR who I really liked. And I wonder how they are going to bring back FAITH onto ANGEL as well as BUFFY. With the crossover ban because of the different networks, it would be really weird for FAITH to just pop up on BUFFY after being on ANGEL and not mentioning it at all.... Oh if anyone has access to JOSS WHEDON please tell him that if he releases a separate DVD of ONCE MORE, WITH FEELING, that he should include a KAROAKE track as well, so that everyone can sing along. Whoo hoo! Hmmmm. Oh. Um. Ecto content. Errr. Anyone have the new AIMEE MANN album? It's quite enjoyable, but nothing super catchy or stuck in my head, unlike her previous album, but quite enjoyable. Oh I just said that. Damn. Lesee. Oh yeah. I hear that STINA NORDENSTAM left her record company. Anyone else have more information on that? I quite liked her last album THIS IS STINA. And does anyone have the best of JULIANA HATFIELD album? It's suppose to have six new tracks on it, as well as two from her "lost album" GOD'S FOOT. I haven't gotten it yet, but I was just wondering if anyone has it, and if the "new" tracks are worth purchasing the CD. Cheers thanks a lot. irvin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:29:22 -0700 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Terami's new cd and west coast dates The following is copied from Terami Hirsch. Yippee, she's coming to San Diego! Jerene Hey there! Hope you are having a wonderful summer...full of fun vacations and not-too-miserable weather! So much has been spinning in my music world lately and I keep telling myself I need to send out an update about it...but then life starts to happen and things evolve in new and strange ways before my very eyes. (I actually have it PENCILED in my schedule to write this email! How sad.) First, to catch you up on where we've been...we had a great time on tour in August! Not only was it our first time on the road, but I can't believe how lucky we were to meet so many terrific people! Everywhere we went, we got to meet people who have been emailing us for ages - it was like a giant family reunion in every city. I couldn't ask for more than that! A huge, warm thanks to everyone who came out and made us feel so at home. :-) (For photos from the tour, please visit http://www.terami.com/shows.htm and scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Past Shows".) So. The BIG NEWS...our new album "To the Bone" is finally available! Although I planned for a nice big unveiling and online promotion in September, that darned efficient CDBaby (!) beat me to it and made the album available so fast, it made my head spin! (I LOVE those guys!) So if you want your brand-spanking-new copy of "To the Bone", you can get it here: http://www.cdbaby.com/hirsch2 If you already have a copy and have itchy fingers to write a review, you can go on that page and tell me what you REALLY think! Much like our other albums ("All Girl Band" and "Stickfigures") Kevin and I recorded "To the Bone" in our house. We had a lot of fun! (Especially when we converted the bathroom into a vocal booth and lit it with candles that smelled like watermelon.) I just hope you enjoy listening to our music half as much as we enjoyed making it. Hmm. OK. This is getting long. I guess the last thing I wanted to dish out is that we have a couple shows on the West Coast in September. If you're going to be in these cities, please come to see us! If you're nowhere remotely near us, then please send us some good vibes! -------------- Sunday Sept. 8 (10:30 pm) Glas Kat Lounge 520 Fourth St., San Francisco, CA $21 in advance, $25 at the door 21+ All ticket sales (and 20% of my CD sales from this show) will be donated directly to RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network). Visit http://sfrainn.cjb.net for more performance, raffle, and general info! -------------- Friday, Sept. 20 (8:30 pm) Twigg's Coffeehouse and Bakery 4590 Park Blvd., San Diego, CA $8 All Ages -------------- ~ TBA ~ Songsalive! Expo 2002 Showcase (This event will be in Los Angeles...more info will be announced in the next week or so...but I'm so excited about it, I had to mention it while I have your attention!) -------------- I think that's about it for now! As always, updates, reviews, and announcements are posted on my website. I don't like to send out too many of these emails and clog up your Inbox...so if you're ever curious about what's going on with me, feel free to check http://www.terami.com for answers! Cheers! Terami -- Introvert With a Microphone. http://www.terami.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:12:26 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Re: Live At The House O'Muzak Returns! I'm assumning that she does--I can't remember our exact e-mail thread, but that seemed to be gthe reason she was setting up her tour so far out--of course dates are stil pretty tentative at this point. Jeff - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bittner To: jjhanson@att.net Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Live At The House O'Muzak Returns! On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:27:36 +0000, jjhanson@att.net wrote: >Joy Eden Harrison - August 2003 (planning way far out) Does Joy have a new one in the works? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2002 11:24:24 -0700 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Re: MTV Memories Love this thread. MTV is so appallingly, grindingly awful now I had forgotten how cutting edge it used to be. Portland, Ore. had a lot going for it in the '80s, but one thing it lacked was a decent radio station as all the marketing droids were shoving heavy metal and former underground station KINK was way too mellow - too much James Taylor and Joni Mitchell in her channeling Charlie Parker days. (Listener-supported KBOO was the notable exception; there were 4 or 5 hours a week of interesting music.) MTV showed me what the rest of the planet was listening to and most of my music from that era was as a result of what I heard then. My favorite shows were 120 Minutes, the weekly 2-hour show of alternative music and videos that were an escape from what was rapidly (vapidly?) becoming MTV mainstream. But the best of all was the International Hour when they played videos from other countries. Anyone see an amazingly intricate animation from Japan that backed the song "Wonderland" by Mustang AKA? I'd love to see that again. Yes, "Twilight Zone" was brilliant and totally lost now. You also don't hear much from the Specials but I thought their brand of Ska was great. I first discovered KaTe, however, on Night Flight, a late-night USA Network program. They played the really odd stuff, including SubGenius videos. I recorded the Live at Hammersmith concert on my new Beta VCR and almost wore it out. Bought every record she did and every video I could find from that point on. I developed a correspondence with a woman in Japan (Hi, Noriko, you here by any chance?) who published a KaTe fanzine there. Got a couple of tapes from there. Also bought the KaTe bio "Cathy" which was pretty spendy then. Wonder what it's worth now? News from Now: Today I bought the 2nd Carmina Pirahna CD. Like it as much as their first, which was written to score a production of the Oregon Ballet Theatre. This is also a private release and probably difficult to find. They never performed very often, and did only 2 CDs in 5 years, and now they are broken up for good. Too bad. Picked up at the same time the latest Julee Cruise disc, after discovering its existence via a snippy review in a local weekly paper. She sounds as spacey as ever. If I have any complaints about it, they involve the fact that the music was not produced by Angelo Badalamante. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:23:29 -0600 From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Buffy stuff At 11:34 PM 8/30/2002 -0700, Joseph Zitt wrote: >I find that I connected more with season six than I had before. Several >of its episodes ("One More With Feeling", "Normal Again", and possibly >"Hell's Bells") were as good as anything they've done, and a few scenes >(Buffy's revelation to Spike about where she had been, and Tara's >monologue reuniting with Willow, for example) were just about perfect.\ I admit that some episodes weren't that great, but overall I liked this season. Yeah, some of it was pretty dark, but I like the dark stuff. I think there was reason for the darkness--much of the season was about how Buffy was learning to want to live again. So it fit, somewhat, to the character's emotional state. I liked some of the same stuff you point out above. There was some light stuff too, of course. I think that one of the funnest parts of the season was the following exchange, in the episode where Amy reappears in human state. Something like: "How've you been?" "Rat. You?" "Dead." "Oh." And lest we forget "Tabula Rasa", in which the cast's memories are erased, and Spike thinks he's Giles' son, and is disgusted to learn he's English.... >But much of the season felt off-balance to me. I could never get more >than annoyed at the nemesisisisisises, They do seem to have been a red herring. You kept thinking, through the season, that at some point they were gonna get some sort of power that made them really badass. Towards the end, they almost did it. But really, Willow was all the time being groomed to be the big evil of the season. In a way, this was like season two. At the beginning of that season, you wouldn't have anticipated that Angel, one of the good guys and the love of Buffy, was going to turn out to be the real bad guy at season's end. IMO, Spike was the most annoying part of the season. He was okay some of the time, I guess, and important to some aspects of the running plot, but I thought him far to whiny, possessive, etc. I was not at all surprised when he tried to rape Buffy. And as with the previous two seasons, they seemed sometimes to bring him into the plotline just so they could justify his being a regular. I was personally hoping they'd finally kill off the character by the end of the season, as it was getting too much, and my biggest disappointment with the new season is that, based upon his spliced in appearances in the finale, he's sure to show up in Sunnydale again. >and (except for that reunion), >the Willow/Tara breakup storyline, and the heavyhanded magic<->drugs >correlation seemed clumsy. I admit that the magic addiction stuff seemed pretty heavyhanded at first. But in the overall picture, it fits. She was prone to this dark side before, without reason. The question asked, leading up to the finale, was how deep into it she would go when she sorta had a reason. Willow had to be shown as going over the edge once to explain how she could do it again. She had her base of support in Tara, lost it through her addiction. When she kicked the habit, she got her base back. But then that base was kicked out from under her. >And the finale, good as it was in points, >just didn't work for me through much of it; try as I might, I couldn't >see Willow going so far over the edge that she'd try to destroy the >world. I could, I've felt that way before. To me, this was a reflection of Buffy's own willingness (at first), in the previous season's finale, to let the world go all to hell if Dawn could not be saved. It simply took it even further--from letting it happen, to making it happen--because in Willow's case, her love was _not_ saved. A natural progression in a way (especially when one includes the second season's finale, wherein Buffy _did_ sacrifice one she loved for the good of the world). For all that it was hokey, the finale was in its own way brave. One thing I've always liked about the series is that it doesn't always go in an anticipated direction, nor does it always conform to the morality that most shows and movies display. At the end of season 5, we have the hero displaying an antihero quality, saying that she'd rather let all die than one. (Even if she did sacrifice a one for the all in the end. And we must remember that in dying Buffy could be seen to be shirking her duty as the Slayer, leaving people, including her friends, supposedly defenseless at the hands of vampires and other demons.) In this past season's closure, we have one of the core group going baddy. Any other show would not let her come back from going so far. She's killed a guy (even if he's pretty bad himself) in cold-blooded vengeance, tried to kill others, including her friends. She tried to destroy the world. The normal moral code of television and movies would not be able to forgive all of this. She'd have to go, either be killed or be banished to some hell dimension. (Most entertainment is filled with moralistic cause and effect. We are shown someone who does something bad, or is in some way seen as bad by the intended audience, and he pays in some way. Obviously, Buffy has alot of this too, but sometimes it colors outside the lines, as in the season six finale.) John Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:01:39 -0700 From: "Russ Van Rooy" Subject: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Sittin' hear watching Neil Young sing "Helpless" in the movie "The Last Waltz" on AMC this afternoon, it occurs to me that I'm watching one of the great concert movies ever made. Rollingstone's May issue in fact does call it the best. What do other ectophiles out there consider to be the best concert movies ? Also I'd place "Woodstock" in the number one position except maybe it goes on a little too long. And lastly, just saw "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" - now there's a great music movie ! Happy Labor Day weekend everyone ! =- Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:05:25 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Buffy stuff On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:23:29 -0600 John Higdon wrote: > "How've you been?" > > "Rat. You?" > > "Dead." > > "Oh." Right! I forgot about that. It put me on the floor when it happened. > >But much of the season felt off-balance to me. I could never get more > >than annoyed at the nemesisisisisises, > > They do seem to have been a red herring. You kept thinking, > through the season, that at some point they were gonna get some sort > of power that made them really badass. Towards the end, they almost > did it. But really, Willow was all the time being groomed to be the > big evil of the season. Yeah, I figured that they were a red herring, and had guessed that they'd conjure up something that got out of their control. (Which they did, but more metaphorically.) > In a way, this was like season two. At the > beginning of that season, you wouldn't have anticipated that Angel, > one of the good guys and the love of Buffy, was going to turn out to > be the real bad guy at season's end. Weirdly, the only season I haven't seen is season two, which many say is the best. Which means that I've never caught the Angel/Angelus transformation or seen Jenny Callendar. I started watching Buffy as of the season three opener ("Anne"), and caught season one on FX, but there's still that gap. > IMO, Spike was the most annoying part of the season. He was > okay > some of the time, I guess, and important to some aspects of the > running plot, but I thought him far to whiny, possessive, etc. I was > not at all surprised when he tried to rape Buffy. And as with the > previous two seasons, they seemed sometimes to bring him into the > plotline just so they could justify his being a regular. I was > personally hoping they'd finally kill off the character by the end of > the season, as it was getting too much, and my biggest disappointment > with the new season is that, based upon his spliced in appearances in > the finale, he's sure to show up in Sunnydale again. I enjoyed his character, identifying with him quite a bit. But, come to think of it, he did figure in another punted thread: I was hoping that he would help reveal that there was indeed something demonic about the returned Buffy, and the "Oops, just kidding, it's a chemistry thing" angle didn't ring true. As, for that matter, does his chip -- if it were just a chemistry thing, how did the chip sense it? My first thought was from skin contact, but the chip kept him from harming people without his touching them, so that idea fell through. > >And the finale, good as it was in points, > >just didn't work for me through much of it; try as I might, I > >couldn't see Willow going so far over the edge that she'd try to > >destroy the world. > > I could, I've felt that way before. I've felt that way too -- but only metaphorically. I still found it hard to believe that Willow, far gone as she was, would go that far, especially considering that the method would seem to have involved some planning and preparation. (Was the temple that she raised encountered in an earlier episode? I seem to recall their mentioning that, but don't recall it.) > In this past season's closure, > we have one of the core group going baddy. Any other show would not > let her come back from going so far. She's killed a guy (even if he's > pretty bad himself) in cold-blooded vengeance, tried to kill others, > including her friends. She tried to destroy the world. The normal > moral code of television and movies would not be able to forgive all > of this. She'd have to go, either be killed or be banished to some > hell dimension. (Most entertainment is filled with moralistic cause > and effect. We are shown someone who does something bad, or is in > some way seen as bad by the intended audience, and he pays in some > way. Obviously, Buffy has alot of this too, but sometimes it colors > outside the lines, as in the season six finale.) My hunch is that Willow will have to pay some consequences next season. The buffyverse has, to my eyes, continually had a thread of sin and repentance, most notably in Angel's ongoing atonement for a couple of centuries of killing. I can also think of some notable other cases in other TV, such as the Babylon 5 episode "Passing Through Gethsemene" and the original Star Trek episode (I can't believe I've forgotten the name!) about the Shakesperean troupe that was harboring a mass killer. And then there's the whole "Luke and Laura" thread in a soap opera (or so I've read). But yeah, much TV morality does tend toward the simplistic. - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:26:55 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: Terami's new cd and west coast dates Jerene said: > The following is copied from Terami Hirsch. > Yippee, she's coming to San Diego! If any of you have a chance to go see Terami do it. She's amazing. :) ~Amy Collected Sounds - A Guide to Women in Music http://www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:24:45 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: Buffy stuff Hey folks, I'm loving this thread. All this discussion of season 6 is helping me get more out of it than I actually did at the time. Joseph Zitt said: >The buffyverse has, to my eyes, continually had a thread of sin and >repentance, most notably in Angel's ongoing atonement for a couple >of centuries of killing. Or Willow baking cookies at the end of "Something Blue". Maybe S7 will open with her running a bakery, in atonement for the much larger sin of killing Warren. Hee. I actually had something ecto-related to say, which... I can't remember... - -sherlyn ps - Season 1 Farscape box set comes out in Australia in a few weeks! As does the game! Whoohoo! - -- Sherlyn Koo | sherlyn@pixelopolis.com | Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:38:00 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Fwd: live info Hi, I'm not sure why I got this -- I assume it has something to do with the Ectoguide. >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:54:12 -0700 >Subject: live info >From: lovespirals >To: > >hello. >i wish i had realized you had this resource earlier, as we just got back >from a small tour. drats! i understand that neile is just now creating a >new lovespirals page, to subsidize the old love spirals downwards one. > >we do have a los angeles show coming up soon, as well as a small in-store >appearance. 2 mexico shows are also being scheduled. i would really love >it if these could be included on your site! > >i'll be in touch soon with more info. thanks in advance! > >anji >lovespirals >www.lovespirals.com > > >Lovespirals Live Performances: > >Ipso Facto - Fullerton CA, Sun September 29th >In-Store Acoustic set & CD signing (with Audra) >714.525.7865, All Ages, 6pm - FREE! > >Knitting Factory - Hollywood, CA, Wednesday October 2nd >7021 Hollywood Blvd. 8pm $8 (opening artist TBA) > >Mexico CIty, Mexico (TBA) > > > >FYI -- DJ Victoria Star, of KZSC in Santa Cruz, CA wrote the following >review of our San Fran show: > >San Francisco Projekt fans were given a spectacular treat last night when >artists Mira and Lovespirals joined together for an evening of musical bliss >at The Pound. Once again changing musical directions, Anji Bee and Ryan Lum >presented their lush new sound as a taunting and swanky invitation to sing >along. Taking the stage with a smile that never left her face, Anji's vocal >mastery was particularly poignant on new tracks "Oh So Long" and "Swollen >Sea." ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:04:08 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Fwd: live info On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:38:00 -0400 meredith wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure why I got this -- I assume it has something to do with > the Ectoguide. > > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:54:12 -0700 > >Subject: live info > >From: lovespirals > >To: > > > >hello. > >i wish i had realized you had this resource earlier, as we just got > >back from a small tour. drats! i understand that neile is just now > >creating a new lovespirals page, to subsidize the old love spirals > >downwards one. Wow, someone is subsidizing the Ectoguide? Maybe the economy is picking up! Will they demand banner ads? :-) - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:15:42 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Eli Whitney Folk Festival Hi, Just a reminder for the New England/NYC-metro-area people amongst us: 2002 Eli Whitney Folk Festival New Haven, Connecticut September 13-15 Edgerton Park (Whitney Avenue, on the Hamden line) Featuring: Friday, September 13 Grassy Hill Song Circle GREG GREENWAY, TRINA HAMLIN, KATE MCDONNELL, and JERREE SMALL Saturday, September 14 In the Afternoon: FREE New Haven Savings Bank Family Folk Picnic Concert ELAINE KOLB, ARNIE PRITCHARD, ANNE MARIE MENTA, FRANK CRITELLI, SECOND WIND, LAURA WARFIELD TRIO, and BETHANY YARROW (this free part is a great thing for the kids) In the evening: Yale University Main Stage Yale's TANGLED UP IN BLUE, EDDIE FROM OHIO, VANCE GILBERT, and TOM RUSH Tickets are on sale now at http://www.ctfolk.com (there is also all the info you'll ever need about the Festival and how to get there, as well as maps to all of our ticket outlets if you must pay in cash). Buying in advance will save you $! This Festival is a lot of fun, and Edgerton Park is a simply gorgeous spot. Tell all your friends!! And please feel free to forward this to other folk music-oriented lists. ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Annie Gallup, Saturday, 9/28 at 8 pm ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:42:45 -0700 From: "William Mazur" Subject: RE: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Russ, I have to agree with all of your choices. They are all excellent concert films in every way, from the concert footage and performance to the documentary telling of the story and the cinematography. Of course "Hedwig" isn't a documentary. It's still fantastic. I have a good collection of concert films on both video and DVD. Here are some of my favorites, not in any particular order of preference: 1) Pink Floyd "Live at Pompeii". I first saw Pink Floyd around the "A Saucerful of Secrets" and "Ummagumma" period at the Fillmore West in SF in 1969 when I was 16. This film captures them a year or so later. This was right around the time of "Meddle". I love this film. The concert footage in an old Roman amphitheatre is excellent. I really like the overall cinematography and creativity in this film. The film also has footage of the band in the studio recording bits of "Dark Side of the Moon". There are also some interesting interviews with the band members. In fact, I believe that Christopher Guest and Michael McKeon, in "This is Spinal Tap", parody the scene of them in the diner. Roger Waters comes across as the brilliant genius that he is and also as a complete arrogant jerk in that and other scenes in the film. "This is Spinal Tap" is great concert film in its own right. I am not putting it specifically on this list because it's not a traditional concert film. It's definitely a classic "rockumentary" and comedy! 2) Zep's "The Song Remains the Same". I don't necessarily care for all of the fantasy sequences in the movie. I do feel that the concert footage is excellent. I never got to see Zep live. I hear that they were inconsistent in concert, amazing at times and horrible at times. There are some great performances in this film. You can see how brilliant Page is at one moment and how sloppy he is at another. I also like the behind the scenes drama that is captured on this film. Highlights: "The Rain Song", "No Quarter" and "Since I've Been Loving You". Biggest Disappointment: Page's horribly sloppy lead at the end of "Stairway to Heaven". 3) This is the first of two Yes concert films that I am going to mention. Both of them are sentimental favorites. They are not necessarily overall great concert films. The first film is "Yessongs" and shows Yes during their early glory years. It is not the best film as far cinematography is concerned. It pales in comparison to the classic films that Russ mentions above. However, this film shows a young, dynamic and self assured band in their prime. Billi and I saw them numerous times during those years. This film brings back wonderful memories. The second is "Keys to the Ascension". This was filmed at a small theatre in San Luis Obispo. My brother and I were supposed to go to this concert. I had to go out of town on business the next day and didn't want to make the four hour drive each way down and back. Anyway, I am happy it is preserved on DVD. This is a reunion concert of the classic band. Rick Wakeman joined back up with them for this show (and I believe they did a tour as well). I believe the reason they did the show in SLO was because Jon Anderson lived there at the time. This is just another excellent performance by Yes. It includes some of my favorite performances of songs that they rarely do in concert ("Time and a Word", "Turn of the Century" and "Onward") and all of the old favorites ("Close to the Edge", "I've Seen All Good People", "Starship Troopers" and "Roundabout"). The performance of "Awaken" from this show is particularly moving. 4) Talking Heads - "Stop Making Sense". This is a classic concert film because it has all of the elements. Just like the "The Last Waltz", this film was directed by a gifted filmmaker who loves music. Jonathan Demme did an incredible job on this movie. Plus The Talking Heads had a kick ass band for this performance. I love this film. 5) The Moody Blues - "Live at Red Rocks". I love the Moodies through all of their eras. I am one of those fans that feel that their first seven LPs were pure magic. I only had the privilege of seeing them once during that period when Mike Pinder and his magnificent Mellotron were in the band. After that period they still have remained a great pop band. For Billi and I, they are one of the best bands to see live. They always put on a good show. There are always a few magical moments every time we see them. "Live at Red Rocks" is a fun concert film that has some of those really magical moments. My favorite moment is Justin and the boys doing "New Horizons". A number of bands have gone on tour or performed with a classical orchestra. To me, it works the best with the Moodies. I feel that there is enough room in the Moody Blues' music to allow the orchestral arrangements to breath and enhance the mood. The orchestra adds a lot to this performance. 6) Peter Gabriel - "Secret World Live". I wish that they had documented a show or two from the "Security" tour. That tour was truly magical. However, this is the next best thing. There are some interesting aspects to this tour and performance such as the way they cleverly move from the big stage to the smaller intimate stage. As always, Peter has a top notch set of musicians supporting him. This was also the breakthrough intro to the world of Paula Cole, who was one of his backup singers and did a duet with him on a few numbers (I know most of you here already know that fact.) 7) Kate Bush - "Live at the Hammersmith Odeon". Here is another sentimental favorite. An amazing theatrical and musical performance by the goddess and her awesome ensemble. All I can add is "Wow oh, Wow oh, Wow oh, Wow oop, Unbelievable!" More faves: Sade "Live", Joni Mitchell "Shadows and Light", Fleetwood Mac "The Dance" and David Bowie "The Serious Moonlight Tour" and "The Glass Spider Tour". I have so many more concert films I could mention. Here are just a few more. My fave prog band concert films: Marillion "Live from Loreley" and "From Stoke Row to Ipanema", King Crimson "Deja Vrooom" and Steve Hackett "Live from Japan" (with John Wetton and Ian McDonald. They do some classic Crimson songs.) I also have a great bootleg of a British TV concert recording of Genesis in 1973 in Oxford, UK. Phil Hudson was at that show. Lucky dog! Notable holes in my collection and on my wish list: U2, "Live at Red Rocks" and 'Rattle and Hum". David Bowie "Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars". OK, I will quit now. Russ, thanks for opening up this thread. Bill M. n.p. _Dead Can Dance_The Serpent's Egg_ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Russ Van Rooy Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:02 PM To: Ecto Subject: semi-OT: Great Concert Movies Sittin' hear watching Neil Young sing "Helpless" in the movie "The Last Waltz" on AMC this afternoon, it occurs to me that I'm watching one of the great concert movies ever made. Rollingstone's May issue in fact does call it the best. What do other ectophiles out there consider to be the best concert movies ? Also I'd place "Woodstock" in the number one position except maybe it goes on a little too long. And lastly, just saw "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" - now there's a great music movie ! Happy Labor Day weekend everyone ! =- Russ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #242 **************************