From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #138 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, May 18 2002 Volume 08 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- next Veda album? [Allan Anderson ] What to bring to Falcon Ridge (and Winterhawk) [Ofer Inbar ] RE: next Veda album? [JoAnn Whetsell ] Re: next Veda album? [Jeffrey Burka ] Fwd: Katell Keineg's new EP [Tamar Boursalian ] Re: Philip Pullman [Dan Riley ] Aquarium touring USA ["Michael Bravo" ] Re: Philip Pullman [Steve VanDevender ] RE: next Veda album? [JoAnn Whetsell ] Veda video? (and next Veda album) [Valerie Richardson ] Re: Philip Pullman [Paul Blair ] Re: Fwd: Katell Keineg's new EP [Neile Graham ] I got my LHD!!!!!!!!!! [JavaHo@aol.com] RE: next Veda album? [meredith ] Re: Philip Pullman [meredith ] RE: next Veda album? [Neal Copperman ] Have you seen....? [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:16:11 -0700 From: Allan Anderson Subject: next Veda album? I've listened to and loved "spine" and "field study" -- what's the next Veda album for me? As powerfull as "spine" is, I think that I like "field study" more. thanks for your opinions, folks. - -- What feet you have, Vasily Ivanovich. They're even more dirty than mine. That's because I'm much older than you, Petka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:47:48 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: What to bring to Falcon Ridge (and Winterhawk) In 1998 I responded to a question on the nields-nook mailing list by a couple of people who were going to Falcon Ridge Folk Festival for the first time, and camping for the first time in many years. I wrote up a list of what to bring, and it turned out somewhat longer than I expected when I started. After writing it up and posting to nields-nook, I got a lot of feedback, incorporated that, and posted to some other lists. Again the next year, and the next... After updating and reposting the text three years in a row, I made it into a web site in the spring of 2000, and have been updating that ever since: http://cos.polyamory.org/frfflist.html This message is being posted to: nields nook, alt.music.moxy-fruvous, edheads, dar-list, ecto, suspects, falcon-ridge, the hollow If you know of any other mailing lists that this posting would be appropriate for, let me know. If you have feedback about the list of things to bring to Falcon Ridge, send me your suggestions. If you got this message and you're not subscribed to any of those lists, that means I think you're special and sent a copy of this message directly to you :) [I am subscribed to most of those lists, but if you have feedback please email me directly because I may miss list postings.] -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@aaaaa.org cos@polyamory.org -- WBRS Waltham 100.1 FM -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ "Long live folk music, and this doomed festival!" -- moxy fruvous ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:27:22 -0400 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: RE: next Veda album? Does this mean you've not heard "Path of a Body"? Oh, you must, you must. JoAnn - -----Original Message----- From: Allan Anderson [mailto:cerebus@email.com] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:16 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: next Veda album? I've listened to and loved "spine" and "field study" -- what's the next Veda album for me? As powerfull as "spine" is, I think that I like "field study" more. thanks for your opinions, folks. - -- What feet you have, Vasily Ivanovich. They're even more dirty than mine. That's because I'm much older than you, Petka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:52:28 -0400 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: RE: next Veda album? And how could I forget to mention "Here Is a Picture," perhaps my favorite Veda album. If you like her piano playing on "Field Study," you will love this album, which is gentler, but no less powerful. JoAnn - -----Original Message----- From: Allan Anderson [mailto:cerebus@email.com] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:16 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: next Veda album? I've listened to and loved "spine" and "field study" -- what's the next Veda album for me? As powerfull as "spine" is, I think that I like "field study" more. thanks for your opinions, folks. - -- What feet you have, Vasily Ivanovich. They're even more dirty than mine. That's because I'm much older than you, Petka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:06:40 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: next Veda album? allan sez: > what's the next Veda album for me? and then joann sez in response to herself: > And how could I forget to mention "Here Is a Picture," perhaps > My favorite Veda album. If you like her piano playing on > "Field Study," you will love this album, which is gentler, > but no less powerful. Of course, what you really meant to say was, "ALL OF THEM! GET THEM ALL! YOU KNOW YOU NEED THEM!" _Path of a Body_ is, to me, more of a rock album with more traditional song structures. It's great, but not as out-there-interesting as some of the later stuff. I'm a big fan of _Here Is a Picture_, though for some reason I seem to always fixate on Veda muttering, "dirty dirty dirty". But how could you leave out _You Do Not Live in this World Alone_? While some of the interludes drive me a bit batty, it's got some of her most amazing songs, including "Killzone!" and "The Williamsburg Bridge". Anyway. If you already like two albums by Veda, chances are that somewhere along the line you'll end up owning all of them. jeff n.p. _Public_, Emm Gryner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Fwd: Katell Keineg's new EP I've had this for a few weeks now, and if you like Katell Keineg, you should get it. There's a really lovely version of Nick Drake's "River Man" and I love 2 of the 3 new songs. The last song is still growing on me, but the rest more than makes up for it. Anyway, go get it! - --Tamar ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2002 15:09:26 -0400 From: Dan Riley Subject: Re: Philip Pullman [reviving a thread from a few months ago about Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy...] Laura Clifford writes: > And New Line, which has just issued the first "Lord of the Rings" > films, has just acquired the rights to this trilogy as well.... and is reported to be negotiating with Tom Stoppard (one of my favorites) to write the screenplay...could be interesting. At the very least, it's a good sign that New Line isn't trying to turn it into "Harry Potter". - -dan ref: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?u=/variety/20020517/film_variety/film_stoppard_dc_1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:06:53 +0400 From: "Michael Bravo" Subject: Aquarium touring USA Hi there, some of you might find it interesting to see our veteran rock (though they are quite far from traditional rock, I'd say) band Aquarium - they will be touring USA in June. The full schedule and even some means to buy tickets online are here - http://www.aquarium.ru/documents/concert/usa2002s/index.html if you aren't keen on Cyrillic, just ignore the strange letters and scroll down - it's all there. If anyone goes, post your impressions, please-please :) - -- /\/\ike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:15:10 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Philip Pullman Dan Riley writes: > [reviving a thread from a few months ago about Pullman's "His Dark > Materials" trilogy...] I just read this recently, and enjoyed it immensely. One of the better fantasy (or maybe science fiction?) series I've read in a while. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:25:18 -0400 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: RE: next Veda album? Jeffrey Burka wrote: and then JoAnn sez in response to herself: > And how could I forget to mention "Here Is a Picture," perhaps > My favorite Veda album. If you like her piano playing on > "Field Study," you will love this album, which is gentler, > but no less powerful. Yes, that's true. They're all worth owning. And because of that, I will probably get the Live at Emotion Festival album someday. But I tend to buy albums of an artist one, or maybe 2 at a time. So I would leave _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_ for later. If it were me. And the reason is this: It's a like album for me, whereas the rest of Veda's albums are love albums. I just don't love YDNLITWA. The 2 songs mentioned, "Killzone!" and "The Williamsburg Bridge" are great songs, both in terms of the album and Veda's work as a whole. And the album has grown on me. When I put it on, I like it now (whereas I really didn't care for it when I first got it). But I still rarely put it on. It's partly those electronic noodlings. And it's partly the shorter pieces/interludes/whatever you want to call them somehow make me forget how good some of the full length songs are. And it's partly, well, I don't know, chemistry I guess. Some albums grab you and some don't. And they do or don't to greater or lesser extents. And maybe it's just time. I didn't really like Field Study the first couple of times I heard it. Not until I really listened to it. Because it required active listening. But it's also how liking, even really liking an album, can be a disappointment when you're used to loving albums by a certain artist. JoAnn - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Burka [mailto:burka@jeffrey.net] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:07 AM To: ecto Subject: Re: next Veda album? allan sez: > what's the next Veda album for me? and then joann sez in response to herself: > And how could I forget to mention "Here Is a Picture," perhaps > My favorite Veda album. If you like her piano playing on > "Field Study," you will love this album, which is gentler, > but no less powerful. Of course, what you really meant to say was, "ALL OF THEM! GET THEM ALL! YOU KNOW YOU NEED THEM!" _Path of a Body_ is, to me, more of a rock album with more traditional song structures. It's great, but not as out-there-interesting as some of the later stuff. I'm a big fan of _Here Is a Picture_, though for some reason I seem to always fixate on Veda muttering, "dirty dirty dirty". But how could you leave out _You Do Not Live in this World Alone_? While some of the interludes drive me a bit batty, it's got some of her most amazing songs, including "Killzone!" and "The Williamsburg Bridge". Anyway. If you already like two albums by Veda, chances are that somewhere along the line you'll end up owning all of them. jeff n.p. _Public_, Emm Gryner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:48:24 -0400 From: Valerie Richardson Subject: Veda video? (and next Veda album) I ran into Meredith and Woj at the Acoustic Cafe last night, and we were remembering fondly Veda's living room concert at the House o' Muzak, almost a year ago. Did Veda ever produce a video of the entire "Field Study" musical/visual experience? I seem to remember there being talk of producing such a thing. I would LOVE to see that performance again. I would also nominate "Path of a Body" for Allan's next purchase, although "Here Is a Picture" is a close second. I like Veda's projects that have a strong story or central theme, and "Field Study" and "Here Is a Picture" are strongest in that respect. - --Valerie Richardson __________________________________________ Allan Anderson wrote: > > I've listened to and loved "spine" and "field study" -- what's the next > Veda album for me? As powerfull as "spine" is, I think that I like > "field study" more. thanks for your opinions, folks. > -- > What feet you have, Vasily Ivanovich. They're even more dirty than mine. > That's because I'm much older than you, Petka. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:22:16 +0100 From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: Philip Pullman In message <15589.22206.617122.875020@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>, Steve VanDevender writes >Dan Riley writes: > > [reviving a thread from a few months ago about Pullman's "His Dark > > Materials" trilogy...] > >I just read this recently, and enjoyed it immensely. One of the better >fantasy (or maybe science fiction?) series I've read in a while. I enjoyed the trilogy immensely, but I do think that he went just that bit over-the-top in his anti-religious message in the last book. I wonder how many children, having read the first two, find the last one a bit heavy going? Chris Chris Morriss Also at chris.morriss@lakecommunications.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:32:17 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Philip Pullman Chris wrote: >I enjoyed the trilogy immensely, but I do think that he went just that >bit over-the-top in his anti-religious message in the last book. I >wonder how many children, having read the first two, find the last one a >bit heavy going? I'm no fan of religion, but I agree--but even in terms of narrative I thought the story fell apart in the last book. There just wasn't enough "there" there to sustain the buildup from the earlier books in the series; the whole thing wound up seeming rather arbitrary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:58:42 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Fwd: Katell Keineg's new EP Tamar Boursalian wrote: >I've had this for a few weeks now, and if you like Katell Keineg, you >should get it. There's a really lovely version of Nick Drake's "River >Man" and I love 2 of the 3 new songs. The last song is still growing on >me, but the rest more than makes up for it. I like the rest of it a lot, but that last track has a little country-ish taste that just isn't something I automatically love. It still has nice moments, though, and I'm happy for anything from Katell. Didn't you hear her live recently? How was that? Did she have anyone backing her? - --Neile - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ............ http://www.ectoguide.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:04:22 -0400 From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: I got my LHD!!!!!!!!!! Haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I was so jazzed to see it there. Gave me the blue fuzzies. Thanks Fog!! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:06:43 -0400 From: meredith Subject: RE: next Veda album? Hi, Ooooh, a Veda thread! I will chime in and agree with those who have put forth _Here Is A Picture_ as a logical next album, if you like _Field Study_ better than _Spine_. It is a thematic album that is similar sonically to _Field Study_. (If _Spine_ were your favorite, then _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_ would be the place to go from there.) JoAnn commented: > So I would leave _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_ for later. If > it were me. And the reason is this: It's a like album for me, whereas > the rest of Veda's albums are love albums. I just don't love > YDNLITWA. The 2 songs mentioned, "Killzone!" and "The Williamsburg > Bridge" are great songs, both in terms of the album and Veda's work as a > whole. And the album has grown on me. When I put it on, I like it now > (whereas I really didn't care for it when I first got it). I'm with you on the electronic noodlings (and Veda knows my feelings on them too :}). But the album has some of her most amazing songs: in addition to the ones mentioned I would add "Born Lucky", "Peculiar Value", and the utterly stunning should-have-been-an-alt-rock-hit "Wrong". Valerie wondered: >Did Veda ever produce a video of the entire "Field Study" musical/visual >experience? I seem to remember there being talk of producing such a >thing. I would LOVE to see that performance again. There was talk, but nothing has been produced that I know of. I'm not sure if there are still plans to do so ... if I find out I'll post the info. Who is going to Veda's 10th anniversary performances in Vancouver next weekend? If anyone is going who happens to own an audio recording device, please e-me. :) ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:23:52 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Philip Pullman Hi, It's funny that Philip Pullman got brought up here again, because after the first thread here about "His Dark Materials" I started _The Golden Compass_, and I just finished _The Amber Spyglass_ the other day. Wow. What an amazing piece of work. Chris commented: >I enjoyed the trilogy immensely, but I do think that he went just that >bit over-the-top in his anti-religious message in the last book. I >wonder how many children, having read the first two, find the last one a >bit heavy going? I was wondering that myself ... but then again, even though I was a second-grade Catholic school pupil at the time, I didn't catch the allegory in _The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe_ until it was pointed out to me. Maybe I'm just obtuse, but I'd be willing to bet the anti-religious stuff may just go right past some kids, regardless of how baldly stated some of it is. I do give Pullman props for not shying away from any of the anti-religion stuff. I'm surprised there haven't been bookburnings in the US ... though I suppose if they do make a movie and the books get more popular, they'll be throwing copies of the trilogy right on top of the Harry Potter books. Paul added: >I'm no fan of religion, but I agree--but even in terms of narrative I >thought the story fell apart in the last book. There just wasn't enough >"there" there to sustain the buildup from the earlier books in the series; >the whole thing wound up seeming rather arbitrary. I'm not so sure about there not being enough "there" there. _The Amber Spyglass_ introduces one of my favorite characters (Mary) and by far my favorite world (the one with the wheel trees). I wasn't too pleased with how the Lyra/Will storyline ended up, though I suppose a "happily ever after" ending would have been far less satisfying in the long run. The wheel-tree world had me thinking of some of my favorite Jane Siberry lyrics, from "At The Beginning Of Time": (someone had a boat with wheels and I said you're a bit early but I know how you feel) I must admit to trying to see my daemon ... I wonder what he looks like, and what his name is. :) ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:09:37 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: RE: next Veda album? At 11:06 PM -0400 5/17/02, meredith wrote: >Who is going to Veda's 10th anniversary performances in Vancouver >next weekend? If anyone is going who happens to own an audio >recording device, please e-me. :) You know, I was wondering the same thing. I'm flying to Seattle on Thursday and hooking up with Neile and Jim. We'll be in Vancouver Friday and Saturday night, and attending both shows. I know we are meeting up with a few other people up there. neal np: Truck Stop Gypsy - Jaia Suri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:16:39 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Have you seen....? Lots of people send us CD's for house concert consideration. I can get a sense of what I think of them based on the CD, but I'm always interested in hearing from anyone who's actually seen them perform. It's interesting to pose these questions in a few different forums, as I'm much more interested in the ecto perspective then the general house concert one. So, here's whats on my shelf at the moment: Kate McDonnell - She seems like a pretty solid folky with a slightly traditional bent. I hear a lot of Joan Baez, Jeff hears a lot of Dar Williams (I think we hear the same thing and I just absorbed a lot of Joan in my childhood.) Sounds pretty decent, but isn't bowling me over. I have heard good things about her live show though. Jean Caffeine - Still haven't listened to her CD (knocked down 7 times got up 8). I know she has a background as a punk rocker and this is rawer and edgier then typical house concert fair. Seems perfect for us, but maybe I'd feel differently if I actually listened to it :) Jaia Suri - I'm actually really fond of this CD (Truck Stop Gypsy). A description is actually pretty easy - ani difranco crossed with joni mitchell playing mostly banjo. Sounds pretty promising to me. Still on the Hill (Kelly and Donna) - These guys seem like real hippies. Some interesting arrangements, but a bit new age/hippieish in the lyrics. Donna's singing seems a bit thin to me, but I'm still absorbing the CD. I already put away the sampler by Jennifer Erb, but I thought it showed a lot of promise too. I think I mentioned it a few months ago. neal np: Truck Stop Gypsy - Jaia Suri ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #138 **************************