From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #102 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 08 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- new patty griffin [Jessweiser24@aol.com] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [adamk@zoom.co.uk] Re: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [Ellen Rawson ] winston tong [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Nowottny - Fountain Of Youth cd single download link ["abaton" ] Re: Walkouts [jjhanson@att.net] Re: Walkouts [Jason Gordon ] Re: Walkouts ["Cheri Villines" ] Re: Walkouts [meredith ] Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [Steve VanDevender ] Re: walkouts [OhtheDrears@aol.com] morphine [OhtheDrears@aol.com] Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club [Jeffrey Burka Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Michael Bowman (bowman@lib.pdx.edu) ******************* ******************* Wolfgang Ullwer (no Email address) ******************** ********************* Janet Kirsch (GOTHIC@UWYO.EDU) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:01:21 +0100 (BST) From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club Well, I walked out on only my second gig last night (the first one was John McLaughlin in Central Park, some 20 years ago -- I like to pace myself) I don't think it was the artists -- the esteemed Dear Janes -- fault entirely. I was knackered, and had had second thoughts about going, but thought I might perk up. I remained resolutely unperked. The Dear Janes new album, by the way, is really good, the opening track "Drunk on Hallelujahs" on of my faves of the year so far, so I thought I'd give it a go. Well....the opening acts set the pace. Siobhan Parr, possessing a phenonemal voice, delivered some very forgettable songs, only really coming alive on her finale, a Tim Buckley cover. Next up, Alistair Artingstall was more professional, but obviously wished he was the Divine Comedy. The Dear Janes finally came on past 10 pm, and opened with a film made by a fan for their song "Drunk on Hallelujahs". A taped version of this was played as the film ran, and it was a dismal start. A scratchy, black and white film of Highgate Cemetary. That was all. The Janes finally started their set and seemed to have inherited Artingstall's banal and irritating between-song banter. They do great harmonies (kind of a more gothic Indigo Girls) but the song list was a bit heavy on...well, the heavier, slower pieces. After a nice enough live version of "Drunk on Hallelujahs" I figured that, whatever the song, I knew exactly how they were going to do it, and snuck out. Has anyone else ever had this? This feeling, halfway through a concert "Yeah, I know EXACTLY how the rest of this is going to go"? Last time I had this was at Alanis Morisette's first big gig over here, at the Shepherds Bush Empire. I left just before the encores, because whatever she was about to do, I'd already figured out exactly how it would sound.(I don't count walking out before or during the encores as "walking out", exactly) As I said, though, it may not have been the Dear Janes. Or even Alistair Artingstall's. I was knackered, and eventually realised I wasn't getting anything out of it. Sometimes it works that way. anyway, adam k. PS: The 12 Bar Club is a great, intimate little place, touted in this week's Time Out, but has two drawbacks: first, the main acts come on far too late for tired people who have to work the next day; second, noise from the bar (last night two women whooping and talking LOUDLY) comes straight through the open door, which doesn't help the atmosphere. adam k. Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club Okay, so I'm glad I didn't make this gig, though I will look out for the new CD. I like the Dear Janes. I was very busy with work, tired and jetlagged, etc., so I missed it. Deirdre Flint at the same venue has been recommended to me; she's playing in late May. There are some upcoming shows at the Borderline in London that are inviting; I'm planning to see Catie Curtis there on the 26th. Also -- Dar Williams will play there in late July (24th, I think -- going on memory). And has anyone seen the Cambridge Folk Fest line-up? Indigo Girls, Cara Dillon, Kate Rusby, Oysterband, Alison Brown, Eliza Carthy, Altan, Waterboys acoustic, etc. It's VERY tempting. Btw, I note that both Cara Dillon AND Pina are opening for the Indigo Girls at the London Forum next month. Ellen ===== "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: winston tong Hi folks.. Does anyone have a copy of Winston Tong of Tuxedomoon's solo record Theoretically Chines that they could burn of tape for me? Would be much appreciated if so. Anna Maria Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:22:51 -0700 From: "abaton" Subject: Nowottny - Fountain Of Youth cd single download link Hello Ectophiles, Abaton Book Company has posted a free virtual CD single called "Fountain Of Youth" a selection of mp'3 by Marianne Nowottny. The songs are: Fountain Of Youth and Walk In The Woods from "Manmade Girl - Songs and Instrumentals" + an unreleased LIVE version of Barely Nearly, recorded at P.S.1/Museum Of Modern Art on July 2, 2000. Also posted is a cd cover photo and traycard for you to print out, cut to size and insert into a jewel case. Nice! Here's the link to find these mp3's and artwork. http://www.abatonbookcompany.com/Fountain%20Of%20Youth.html Don't forget to please leave a tip for Marianne through the Amazon.com honor system paybox found on that page. m. dagley abc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:31:14 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Fwd: Over the Rhine Update Michael Curry writes: > >OVER THE RHINE DATES > >May 05 Eugene OR, Gutenberg College House Concert, 1883 University St., TWO > >SHOWS > >opener Jim & Jennie and the Pinetops OK, this time I am going to make sure I get in to this, as the last time they played in Eugene I was apparently not quick enough to buy tickets before they sold out. This is the same place they played here last time; I wonder what the connection is? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:43:55 -0700 From: "Phil" Subject: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club Adam raises an interesting topic: "Well, I walked out on only my second gig last night (the first one was John McLaughlin in Central Park, some 20 years ago -- I like to pace myself)" Which gigs have we walked out of, or wanted to? I've not actually walked on too much contemporary music that I had actually gone to see, but have found myself bailing out on the "once more for the ca$h" tours of my own generation. The two incidences I can recall were both about 8 years ago. ( unlike Adam, I appear to do this in bursts. I almost walked out on a cacophanous Warren Zevon show once, but then I realized mid-song that Warren was actually too inebriated to climb down from atop his grand piano, so the show became really visually interesting from the point of view of performance art, stage blocking and impromptu crew assistance :) David Bowie at the Shoreline Theater (in about 1990?)delivered such a jaded and lackluster perfomance that it felt like both he and his band couldn't wait to get offstage and do something more interesting. An incredibly tasteless 70-foot-high projection video of him accepting simulated (I hope)fellatio from a kneeling Asian woman, gave my partner and I the impression that we were watching some deleted scene from "Spinal Tap". Bowie created quite a stir in his Ziggy days by pretending onstage to give the same kneepad service to guitarist Mick Ronson, but hey David, that was the 70s. In retrospect, it was just plain tacky then too, but our sensibilities were different, I suppose. Bowie has always tried very hard to be a shocker, but I've always been more drawn to artists who relied solely on their music, and didn't feel the need to resort to shocking tactics that, while drawing attention and publicity to themselves, pulled the focus away from their music. My other walkout, in about the same timeframe, was (gasp!) Yes. I've seen them many times, always they were full of energy, excitement and innovation. This time around their set had a level of excitement normally associated with a village lawn-bowling tournament. Not even the mighty Bill Bruford, surrounded by an enormous battery of drums and backed with a giant moving mirror, could keep me in my seat for more than about half the perfomance. In fairness to Yes though, I believe Bill Mazur saw the same concert, and didn't have the same problems with it that I did. I can't recall ever walking out of concert due to bad music, but my problem has to do with onstage energy and the projection of it. As a musician, I know that it's not always possible to get up there time after time and give that mathematically impossible "110%". But the bottom line for me is this: we, in purchasing our often overpriced and criminally-tariffed tickets to an event, are purchasing a service, to which there is an implied contract. I believe many Big Rock Stars have either never learned this fact or choose to ignore it. But it is in fact we, the audience, who are responsible for Ms or Mr BRS being on stage in the first place; without the audience there would be no show, *we're* paying the bills here. To come out on stage with little or no attempt to conceal one's boredom is not exactly fulfilling the terms of the contract you entered into by staging the show and selling seats to it. If you can't come out on stage and make at least some pretense of enjoying yourself and project some positive energy, then stay home and polish your Grammies. By vivid comparison, Happy came onstage at Ectowest last year with a partially severed tendon in her hand ( for those unfamiliar, it happened the morning of the show) Despite the obviously severe pain she was experiencing, and the fact that she couldn't play guitar or left hand keys, she and the band quickly cobbled together a set of songs they could still do, and gave 200+ fans an unbelievable show. Her performances of her songs were both powerful and passionate, and her interactions with the audience were engaging and frequently hilarious. The whole show was a moving and transcendental experience for many of us who were there. Comparing this experience to some platinum-selling, past-times icon who is only out there because he/she is running low on cash, well, you get the picture. (Ends rant, steps down from soap box and makes some tea). By the way, Adam, what was it about McLaughlin's show that caused you to walk? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:56:26 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: Walkouts Hmm, shows that I've walked out on.... I haven't actually walked out on that many (at least of those I paid to see--have walked out on all kinds of free shows). One I remember was when I saw Melissa Ferrick open for Lisa Germano--I was more than happy with Melissa's set--who always puts on a good show (though she can be rude to her audience), but Lisa Germano's voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. As I was suffering through her set, it finally occurred to me that I could leave. I was so relieved once I'd made that decision, the relief as I walked out the door was physical--like a huge weight had been lifted from my shoulders--I appreciate what she does but it just doesn't work for me. I've seen a couple of artists walk out of a performance. John Cougar Mellancamp walked off stage after four songs, kicking his drumset into the audience and cutting a girl with the cymbals in the process. He was opening for Jethro Tull and the Who (on the first of many Who Farewell Tours). The whole day pretty much sucked actually. The audience hated John Cougar (thus his reason for leaving), Jethro Tull has always bored me though their set was probably the best of the day, and the Who's performance was completely lackluster. It seemed like Pete Townshend was like, "oh yeah, I guess I should windmill my arm now." NOt very impressive at all. Nice fireworks display at the end though. It was one of my first (and I think my last) stadium show. A week later I went and saw Missing Persons and was completely blown away by their incredible energy, their appreciation of the audience, and Terry Bozzio's amazing drumming. Still one of the best concerts I've seen. New Order walked off stage once about 40 minutes into their set after having horrible sound problems. The lead singer finally just dropped his mike into his water glass and walked off. The rest of the band looked confused, finished off the song, then followed. No encore, nothing--a few minutes of darkness and then the lights came on. Definitely not worth the hefty ticket price I paid (it seems like it was close to $30--not much compared to ticket prices these days, but way more than I was used to paying at the time). Jeff n.p. Jewel - This Way n.r. Circus of the Damned - Laurel K. Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:21:24 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: Re: Walkouts I think we must have walked out of the same show [was it at the Paradise in Boston?]...The only walkout I had was at Lisa Germano with Melissa Ferrick opening about 5 or 6 years ago in boston. Melissa was great as always :). Lisa came on and was just awful. At one point about two songs into her set, after one song she said "that's so nice that you're clapping...but don't feel like you have to" - after the start of the third song, it was time to go... btw, I had actually liked Lisa's cd's and had 2 or 3 but after the show I dumped them at the local used cd store as I was sure I couldnt ever listen to them again... - -Jason n.p. memories of seeing Emm Gryner last night :) [and I did walk out on the headliner, Matt somethingorother but the show was only $5 and Emm was more than worth the price of admission... next.p. (next playing) Rachel Sage and Trina Hamlin, which I am sure not to be walking out of :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Walkouts > Hmm, shows that I've walked out on.... > > I haven't actually walked out on that many (at > least of those I paid to see--have walked out > on all kinds of free shows). > > One I remember was when I saw Melissa Ferrick > open for Lisa Germano--I was more than happy > with Melissa's set--who always puts on a good > show (though she can be rude to her audience), but > Lisa Germano's voice is like nails on a chalkboard > to me. As I was suffering through her set, it > finally occurred to me that I could leave. I > was so relieved once I'd made that decision, the relief > as I walked out the door was physical--like a huge > weight had been lifted from my shoulders--I > appreciate what she does but it just doesn't work for > me. > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:33:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Cheri Villines" Subject: Re: Walkouts I walked out on the Edwin McCain Band at The Bottleneck in Lawrence, KS. We had just watched Jewel, who was opening for the band, and she was so amazing that we didn't want to risk spoiling the mood. :) Also walked out on Fleming and John. Her voice became so shrill that my friend was actually starting to grind his teeth. We looked at one another and turned on our heels in unison to stroll out for a while. Luckily there was an interesting local band playing downstairs (this was a Dare to Care day, 16 bands, two stages, all day in the Shrine Mosque in Springfield, MO, very odd setting) so we listened to that for a while. Caught the last song in Fleming and John's set and it was better, but I still think we made the right choice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:39:16 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Walkouts Hi, Jason responded: >n.p. memories of seeing Emm Gryner last night :) [and I did walk out on >the headliner, Matt somethingorother but the show was only $5 and Emm was >more than worth the price of admission... Heh. I was going to list that one too. But I'm not sure if that counts as "walking out", if you were specifically there just to see the opener anyway. I don't think I've ever walked out of a performance by an artist I had gone specifically to see. I've certainly skipped enough opening acts, and main acts (when I just wanted to see the opener) to fill several pages. But I guess I've been lucky - everyone I've gone out to see has been worth sticking around for until the end. Including, believe it or not, Lisa Germano -- although I did skip the encore, simply because if I hadn't I would have missed the night's last train back home, and it was a work night. Now that I think about it, a performance would have to be *really* abysmal for me to just up and leave. I'm funny that way -- I figure that if I paid the money, I should see it through until the bitter end. I've seen several plays that I probably should have walked out of, but didn't because, well, I subscribed to the series, so I should get my money's worth out of it. I've only ever walked out of one play (an embarrassingly bad production of _The School For Scandal_ in college that actually made me glad I had a huge amount of reading to do instead). And the only movie I've ever walked out of (well, technically "turned off", since it was a rental) was _The Postman_. Don't even get me started on how horribly awfully bad that movie was. ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======Next Up: N&K Nields 4/21/02====== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:35:54 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 02:43:55PM -0700, Phil wrote: > Which gigs have we walked out of, or wanted to? The single most intolerable performance that I can recall attending was Tony Conrad in the back room of the Black Cat in DC a few years back. He (on violin) and a cellist scraped away at single long notes and double stops, digging into the instruments to the point where bow-noise threatened to over whelm the pitch content and amplified beyond the pain threshhold, for over an hour from behind a scrim onto which backlighting threw their sillhouettes. The space was lit just enough that I could see that any attempt to leave would have involved stepping on the people who sat on the crowded floor between me and the door. It was the closest I've ever felt to being a hostage. I got yanked out, involuntarily, of a performance of Steve Reich's "Drumming" when the high glockenspiel parts matched the resonant frequency of the balcony and caused my father's hearing aid to feed back. I left a performance a few months back by Eugene Chadbourne and Paul Lovens at intermission. We were in a small, very live room (MOCA-DC), despite which Lovens was drumming at stadium volumes. When the second half started, a large chunk of the small audience decided not to risk ear damage by going back in. Oh, and I had to walk out of a Chick Corea show in order not to miss the last bus to Tel Aviv. I don't recall walking out of many song-oriented concerts, but I don't go to many. I have, however, wandered away, uninterested, from many free outdoor performances at festivals and the like. > David Bowie at the Shoreline Theater (in about 1990?)delivered such a jaded > and lackluster perfomance that it felt like both he and his band couldn't > wait to get offstage and do something more interesting. > An incredibly tasteless 70-foot-high projection video of him accepting > simulated (I hope)fellatio from a kneeling Asian woman, gave my partner and > I the impression that we were watching some deleted scene from "Spinal Tap". > Bowie created quite a stir in his Ziggy days by pretending onstage to give > the same kneepad service to guitarist Mick Ronson, but hey David, that was > the 70s. I saw that tour in Austin, but don't recall that footage. Hmm. But it was the weakest of his shows that I'd seen. Which reminds me that I probably would have walked out on Nine Inch Nails's noise debacle in Dallas had they not been opening for Bowie. And most of the audience left (blocking the view of those on the lawn who were staying) as soon as NIN were done. > To come out on stage with little or no attempt to conceal one's > boredom is not exactly fulfilling the terms of the contract you entered into > by staging the show and selling seats to it. If you can't come out on stage > and make at least some pretense of enjoying yourself and project some > positive energy, then stay home and polish your Grammies. I strongly agree. One of the things I learned in studying performance with Deborah Hay was that the performer must "invite being seen." There are some audiences and subgenres that seem to value performative dullness and communicated boredom, but on the whole I haven't found it all that interesting myself. - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:41:07 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Walkouts On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 06:39:16PM -0400, meredith wrote: > I've seen several > plays that I probably should have walked out of, but didn't because, well, > I subscribed to the series, so I should get my money's worth out of > it. I've only ever walked out of one play (an embarrassingly bad > production of _The School For Scandal_ in college that actually made me > glad I had a huge amount of reading to do instead). That reminds me: I saw a phenomenally lousy opera (by Kathy Acker, among others) at BAM in NYC in the 80s. But the end of the performance, there were seven of us left in the opera hall. I got to enjoying watching the spectacle of people leaving and deciding whether or not to. - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > An incredibly tasteless 70-foot-high projection video of him accepting > > simulated (I hope)fellatio from a kneeling Asian woman, gave my partner and > > I the impression that we were watching some deleted scene from "Spinal Tap". > > I saw that tour in Austin, but don't recall that footage. Hmm. But it > was the weakest of his shows that I'd seen. I saw it in Columbia, Md., and definitely remember it. Yuck!! I was sorry I was born too late to see Bowie live in the '70s. One performer I can remember walking out on is Loren Mazzacane Connors at Terrastock West. He is an arty & experimental solo guitarist. The rest of the crowd sat raptly at his feet, but I was going out of my mind with boredom until I worked up the courage to discreetly sneak out between "songs" (luckily, I was near the back). I can't think of any performer I've paid over $10 to see whom I've walked out on. I walk out on bands all the time at clubs, but I'm willing to take a chance on something if it's only $5 or $6. If I pay $20+ to see someone, it had better be a performer I really like & am willing to forgive if they suck (i.e., the Replacements playing a sloppy, drunken set). - --Sue, grateful that no bands she really loves is playing big arenas this summer (The $180 I paid for two Roxy Music tickets last year was expensive but worth it...thank goodness I didn't want to see Paul McCartney, whose top ticket price at the Oakland Coliseum was $250 per) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:27:39 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Walkouts On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 03:39 PM, meredith wrote: > Now that I think about it, a performance would have to be *really* > abysmal for me to just up and leave. I'm funny that way -- I figure > that if I paid the money, I should see it through until the bitter end. i tend to stay through to the end of performances (short of fire or riot, and even then i'd think twice ;). partial as meth says because i paid for it, and planned to be there (i think of that as the "the food is terrible here -- yes, and such small portions" syndrome ;) also, i've been on the performing side of enough bad performances to empathize with even the most hacked efforts (as you will recall from my "think of Britney like the tourist luau spiel). but mostly, i think, because my critical tendencies tend to shut off during a performance, even when watching a TV show in my living room -- i'm there, it's happening, it's *all* i am doing, i don't want to talk or eat or get up and go to the bathroom (and i can get annoyingly cranky at anyone who isn't as focused -- i watch a lot of TV on my own these days ;). this can lead to regret of time misspent afterwards, but usually i am glad i experienced the performance even if i disliked it. thus, performances i didn't walk out on include the "my bloody valentine" show that was so loud that a friend's girlfriend vomited ( i guess some critical tendencies just can't wait until afterwards ;). also almost any standup comedy act i have ever seen (i have a mortal fear of standup comedy. gah.) oh yeah, a very hot and muddy outdoor show on a very hot and muddy little island on the mississippi in the twin cities in '81, i think, with some very very very drunk band called R.E.M. (heh, and in afterthought, they still weren't very good ;) i liked the story about Warren Zevon being too wasted to get down of a piano (insert duck joke here). i've been listening to his anthology "i'll sleep when i'm dead" a lot recently. - -g n.p. sultana "cerkez kizi" (angry turkish rap in a NYC style (as opposed to the london asian underground thing) from a woman with a endless assortment of princess leia hair styles.) n.r. terri windling/ellen datlow "the year's best fantasy and horror vol. 13" (by far my favorite annual collection of fiction) - -- "i have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:50:07 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club I can't say I've ever walked out on a performance I had specifically come to see and paid for, even if I'd paid rather little for it. On the other hand, I don't get a lot of chances to see live music that I like in Eugene. I was considering leaving and coming back last weekend when I went to see my favorite local band and arrived early enough to see two openers who I will code-name "Stoned Guys Wanking on Guitars" and "Mediocre Playing Dragged Down By Awful Singing". I ended up staying through those two painful experiences anyway, and when the band I had come for started it was all the better for the contrast of finally seeing people who were serious about being musicians and genuinely enthusiastic about performing. A previous show I attended featured another really awful opening band who actually called themselves "Crimes of Ambition", although I'm not sure they intended the irony. Sturgeon's Law apparently applies quite well to the local music scene in Eugene. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:04:48 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:50:07PM -0700, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Sturgeon's Law apparently applies quite well to the local music scene in > Eugene. BTW, on the one night I spent (unexpectedly) in Eugene while on tour, I happened upon a small club (named something like, uh, Tom's Garage) which listed an impressive set of somewhat avant touring acts coming through (though the music that night was a pair of impressive but forgettable bluegrass players). - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:31:32 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club Joseph Zitt writes: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:50:07PM -0700, Steve VanDevender wrote: > > > Sturgeon's Law apparently applies quite well to the local music scene in > > Eugene. > > BTW, on the one night I spent (unexpectedly) in Eugene while on tour, You were here? Too bad you weren't able to let me know. > I happened upon a small club (named something like, uh, Tom's Garage) > which listed an impressive set of somewhat avant touring acts coming > through (though the music that night was a pair of impressive but > forgettable bluegrass players). That would probably be Sam Bond's Garage. Not bad of a place; I've seen Veda Hille (on the "Scrappy Bitches" tour she did with a couple of other performers whose names I've since forgotten) and Cindy Lee Berryhill there. "Impressive but forgettable" seems a bit of a contradiction, though. There are some performers around here who are clearly quite competent but uninteresting to me, which seems more like what you are trying to describe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:33:33 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 06:31:32PM -0700, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Joseph Zitt writes: > > BTW, on the one night I spent (unexpectedly) in Eugene while on tour, > > You were here? Too bad you weren't able to let me know. Well, I had left something at a rehearsal in a church in Berkeley, and the church music director was spending a few days in Eugene, so I stopped through, had a beer, and moved on toward Seattle. > > I happened upon a small club (named something like, uh, Tom's Garage) > > which listed an impressive set of somewhat avant touring acts coming > > through (though the music that night was a pair of impressive but > > forgettable bluegrass players). > > That would probably be Sam Bond's Garage. Not bad of a place; I've seen > Veda Hille (on the "Scrappy Bitches" tour she did with a couple of other > performers whose names I've since forgotten) and Cindy Lee Berryhill > there. Yup, that's the one. > "Impressive but forgettable" seems a bit of a contradiction, though. > There are some performers around here who are clearly quite competent > but uninteresting to me, which seems more like what you are trying to > describe. Yeah, they were clearly good players, but the music fell under "the kind of thing you'd like if you like that kind of thing." - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:57:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: walkouts golly, i feel quite the intolerant ... i walk out on shows a lot, quite often because of public transit-imposed curfews, and generally more due to indifference than disgust. i also walk out on shows to go to other shows down the street. once or twice i've played with bands that were so bad, or anyway so not-to-my-taste-that-evening that i had to hide at the bar for the duration of their set. but sometimes i've retreated to the bar just because there were old friends i hadn't seen in ages, so if anyone on ecto was preparing to be offended, i clearly don't mean you! (actually i don't think i've gigged with anyone on ecto. but you never know.) i walked out on pedro the lion an hour before they started to play, when i found that a band i truly can't stand had unexpectedly been given an opening slot on the bill, and, since the show would run later, i'd have to dig up cabfare to get home, which meant i couldn't even buy myself a beer to ease the pain of . i left after five or six songs into pj harvey's set one tour because i was afraid that the super low frequencies might actually do me harm; the show was making my eyeballs ache, and also something inside my chest hurt, i'd never experienced these symptoms before (or since) -- it freaked me out a little. no, i mean, a lot. - -- d. hey, speaking of gigging: the most ectophilic act of any i've ever been in debuts at the black cat in dc on 2 may. (we even have a female singer!) think crunchy/atmospheric pop, like guided by voices with a soprano frontwoman, or melting hopefuls (who?) or something like that. wild strawberries? and i'm in the *least* ectophilic etc. saturday night -- a ministry cover set. but i don't know where the gig is -- all very hush-hush, need-to-know. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:04:10 EDT From: OhtheDrears@aol.com Subject: Re: walkouts dmw@radix.net (dmw) wrote: "hey, speaking of gigging: the most ectophilic act of any i've ever been in debuts at the black cat in dc on 2 may." wow! the black cat is one of my favorite dc concert halls. i went there for le tigre, and plaid (w/ mira calix and nobukazu takemura). i want to come see you! how much are tickets? it's on a thursday, which might be a bit of a problem, but i can probably handle it! ooo, how exciting. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:18:13 EDT From: OhtheDrears@aol.com Subject: morphine does anyone here like morphine? it was a trio with front man mark sandman (what a cool name) singing and playing a "unique two-string slide bass, around which he'd build the band's singular song," and two other people playing drums and bari sax. usually i don't like any horn-type instruments like trumpets or saxes (i despise british marches) but i think it fits wonderfully in morphine. i just got morphine - the night a few days ago, and it's really good. i also ordered a couple of singles with 3-4 songs on each, but those haven't arrived yet (grrrr). i really love their music, it's very kind of jaded and sad. mark has a very deep voice, and it's not off-putting at all, i think. i find brendan perry from DCD's voice off putting sometimes, and i hate the guy from creed's voice, but i think mark's voice is very nice. his lyrics are very strange, and i don't understand them a lot. the music is very often jazzy, and it's always soulful. sandman died when he was 46 of a heart attack on stage, while performing! it was in room, on july 3rd 199(9?). that would be a very, very strange concert to be at. anyway, i just though i would mention morphine, because i'm sitting here really enjoying this cd. if anyone wants to download a song, i would suggest "rope on fire" to start off. bye bye ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:31:09 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Walkouts. was: Dear Janes at the 12 Bar Club Steve VanDevender sez: > That would probably be Sam Bond's Garage. Not bad of a place; I've seen > Veda Hille (on the "Scrappy Bitches" tour she did with a couple of other > performers whose names I've since forgotten) and Cindy Lee Berryhill > there. Suzie Ungerleider (aka Oh Susanna) and Kinnie Starr. Not that I saw one of the Scrappy Bitches shows. Perhaps if I had, it wouldn't have taken me nearly so long to become obsessed with Oh Susanna. What great stuff. Definitely on the twangy country side of things, but there's a strong blues/r&b component too. She's rather reminescient of Maria McKee, so if you like that sort of thing (and I'm thinking particularly of _You've Gotta Sin to be Saved_), then you should probably check out Oh Susanna. And vice versa. jeff (who's amused by the talk about the Black Cat, as his new house is slightly more than one block from the new site of the venue, but he's still never been there) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #102 **************************