From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #86 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, March 27 2002 Volume 08 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- an order of ec to go... [Greg Bossert ] Lamb as corporate sell-outs? ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] new music [Ed Cole ] Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? [badly drawn woj ] Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Never like this in MY day !!!! [Phil Hudson ] Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? [Wantonmoll@aol.com] Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] RE: Never like this in MY day !!!! [Phil Hudson ] Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! [Greg Bossert ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:00:06 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: an order of ec to go... so here i am, perusing "Surprise me with Beauty" (see Joseph Zitt's sig for details), thinking "hmm, i'm glad i saw Joseph Zitt's sig for details", and the natural next thought was "well, what other details might reside in what other sigs" and hence to "well, it would be easier if there was a list somewhere of stuff by ectophiles". where ectophiles are as a rule an interesting lot, and where "stuff" means music, for sure, and also books and pictures and films and giant robots made of recycled industrial materials whose only purpose is to tear themselves back into waste in a slow sad shredding of order -- you know, stuff. creations. works. hearts-and-grafts take away. footahs! etc. a quick perusal of the entire world wide web has not turned up such a list. there are pointers, or course, to ectopian web pages, and ecto.org mentions "ectophiles on tour" and such, but as far as a guide of works by ectopods: nothing. why then ile fit you. which is to say: i am putting together a guide to creations by ectophiles available for purchase or other methods of acquisition. i can probably get a decent start by poking through the archives and such, but it Would be of Great Help if those who had Some Knowledge along these lines were to send me a message or two. directly or on the list don't make no matter to me -- seems like a good topic of conversation anywho. seems to me that there is no need to distinguish 'twixt amateur and professional, nor need the result be "ectophilic" (this is where Britney and David Thomas both fess up their presence ;) i've had some luck assuming that anything recommended by ectophiles is of interest, so it seems a safe bet that anything made by the same would be likewise. works. ta. - -g - -- "i have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:05:04 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? Okay, so the boyfriend and I are driving around last weekend, listening to Lamb's _What Sound_ (which has finally grown on me...still don't like it quite as well as the first two, but it's definitely better than I was thinking at first...) when I hear the classic nokia ring tone coming from the right. My first thought is that it's my boyfriend's new cell phone, but, no, he's got a different ring programmed. Then I think it's from another car (we were stopped at a light), but his window was shut. Finally it occurs to me to hit reverse scan on the cd player and sure enough, in the song "Small", around 1:48, is the ring tone. Given the quality of their production, it's hard to see this as a mistake, but I haven't been able to make it make sense with the lyrics of the song. Wacky. jeff (who can't imagine that nokia actually paid for this to happen, nor would he think any less of Lamb for accepting money for it...it just amuses him) n.p. _What Sound_, Lamb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:48:49 +0000 From: Ed Cole Subject: new music Well, I've been captivated by the Mirah Yom Tov Zeitlya cd You Think It's Like This But Really It's Like This. That's almost all I've been playing for the last month. I've bought a ton of cd's this last month, but I keep going back to Mirah's music. Her tunes keep playing in my head while I'm at work and I love the Zen like imagery of her poetry. There is a place inside me that is moved by music, call it the soul...heart...whatever. This cd touches that place and has become an instant favorite. I'm looking forward to getting her new cd, Advisory Committee. You folks back East might keep an eye out for her. She had come to the N.W. to go to the Evergreen State College and had been living in Olympia for 10 years. But she has recently moved back home to the Philadelphia area. This is info gathered from web searches. I have no clue as to her musical future. I picked up a used cd yesterday (payday, actually about 15 used cd's) that I thought might be of interest to this list. The artist is Sarah Dougher and the cd is The Bluff on the Mr Lady label. I'm terrible at playing the categorizing game. Her music is kinda indie/folk/rock/pop/quite original tunes. Nice guitar work and some interesting organ sounds. I had never heard of her, don't remember her being mentioned here. I just thought the album looked cool. It's quite good, got me off of the Mirah kick for a day at least. Here voice is quite unique, deep and brassy. The music reminds me a little of early REM fronted by a woman. As I say, I'm not good at reviewing music. When I say a person or group reminds me of another, I don't mean that they really sound like that other person or group but that they move me in the same way. A web search this morning revealed a strange coincidence. She's touring back east and played in Philly on the 20th. with Mirah! http://www.mrlady.com/sarahdougher/ And the link to the bio page says that Ms. Dougher teaches Latin at that bastion of radicalism, the Evergreen State College. Weird. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:48:23 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? when we last left our heroes, Jeffrey C. Burka exclaimed: >Finally it occurs to me to hit reverse scan on the cd player and sure >enough, in the song "Small", around 1:48, is the ring tone. Given the >quality of their production, it's hard to see this as a mistake, but I >haven't been able to make it make sense with the lyrics of the song. the motorola pager beep is rather nicely incorporated into the bonus track on eels' _daisies of the galaxy_ album. it's right at the beginning and right at the end. first time i heard it, i was using meredith's pager as an alarm clock, so you can imagine it was a bit of a shock. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:41:11 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? woj sez: > the motorola pager beep is rather nicely incorporated into the bonus > track on eels' _daisies of the galaxy_ album. and there's a digital watch's alarm beeping somewhere toward the end of "Painters" on Jewel's _Pieces of You_. This is all so confusing. jeff n.p. _Big Country_, eponymous ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:11:11 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: Never like this in MY day !!!! Hrmph! When I was a youngster, we had worthwhile, *manly* sound effects, not these little wimpy piezo cellphone chirrups and warbles. The closing track of Man's ' Be Good to Yourself at Least Once a Day" ended with a full-blown air-raid siren. The live show featured the actual device. Now that's entertainment! Phil Still trying to figure out if Beethoven * really* had the Nokia 5120 in mind when he composed "Ode to Joy" - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey C. Burka [mailto:burka@jeffrey.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:41 AM To: ecto Subject: Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? woj sez: > the motorola pager beep is rather nicely incorporated into the bonus > track on eels' _daisies of the galaxy_ album. and there's a digital watch's alarm beeping somewhere toward the end of "Painters" on Jewel's _Pieces of You_. This is all so confusing. jeff n.p. _Big Country_, eponymous ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:32:43 EST From: Wantonmoll@aol.com Subject: Re: Lamb as corporate sell-outs? Y'all: The nokia ring I'm sure wasn't paid for... I'll bet the boy in Lamb who assembles the tracks (andy, right?) thought it'd be funny. In hip-hop, even good progressive hip-hop, there are tons of cellphones ringin' & beepers goin' off all the time... every time the technology advances somewhat, every time we as consumers get more gadgets, hip-hop producers work them into their tracks, since they're consumers too just as all of the listeners of music. As for the Eels or Jewel, I am clueless... w/ Jewel, I'd guess it was unintended & when her producer noticed it / tried to take it out, Jewel probably said, "No, that digital watch alarm beep is far out, man! Cosmic!" She certainly seems the happy-accident type. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:42:44 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! Phil sez: > The closing track of Man's ' Be Good to Yourself at Least Once a Day" ended > with a full-blown air-raid siren. The live show featured the actual device. > Now that's entertainment! Was this before or after the air raid siren on the title track of Jethro Tull's _War Child_? jeff n.p. _War Child_, Jethro Tull (I knew there was a reason I burned those 18 tull cd's onto a couple of cd-r's and left 'em at the office...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:49:02 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:42:44PM -0500, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > Phil sez: > > The closing track of Man's ' Be Good to Yourself at Least Once a Day" ended > > with a full-blown air-raid siren. The live show featured the actual device. > > Now that's entertainment! > > Was this before or after the air raid siren on the title track of Jethro > Tull's _War Child_? Not to mention all those alarm clocks and cash registers on "Dark Side of the Moon". - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:19:51 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Never like this in MY day !!!! Predated it probably by about 5 years :) Was this before or after the air raid siren on the title track of Jethro Tull's _War Child_? jeff n.p. _War Child_, Jethro Tull (I knew there was a reason I burned those 18 tull cd's onto a couple of cd-r's and left 'em at the office...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:28:58 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! Not to not mention Luigi Russolo's "Art of Noises" from 1913 (the 1914 performance ended in a brawl between the musicians and the audience. ), nor Pierre Schaeffer's "Etude aux chemans de fer" from 1948, and subsequent works of "musique concrete". the intrusion of "real world" sounds into a performance is a great way to to get people's attention and try to make them think about listening. in the extreme case, the real world sounds become the performance. (that works in live shows as well, as Mr. Cage was happy to point out ;) Phones seem to be a special case. Y'all heard the stories about cell phone rings being put into television adverts to get people's attention? Babies crying bother us so much because eons of biology tell us to pay attention. somehow, phone rings have reached the same status in just a century; i have friends who simply *have* to answer a ringing phone... In addition, this whole nokia ring tone craze (which is definitely crazed in europe these days) is an encouraging example of DIY music. or maybe i mean a hideous scourge. or both, which would make it rock and roll ;) On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 12:49 PM, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 02:42:44PM -0500, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: >> Phil sez: >>> The closing track of Man's ' Be Good to Yourself at Least Once a Day" >>> ended >>> with a full-blown air-raid siren. The live show featured the actual >>> device. >>> Now that's entertainment! >> Was this before or after the air raid siren on the title track of >> Jethro >> Tull's _War Child_? > Not to mention all those alarm clocks and cash registers on "Dark Side > of the Moon". - -g - -- "i have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:27:39 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Never like this in MY day !!!! On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 06:28:58PM -0800, Greg Bossert wrote: > Not to not mention Luigi Russolo's "Art of Noises" from 1913 (the 1914 > performance ended in a brawl between the musicians and the audience. ), > nor Pierre Schaeffer's "Etude aux chemans de fer" from 1948, and > subsequent works of "musique concrete". the intrusion of "real world" > sounds into a performance is a great way to to get people's attention > and try to make them think about listening. in the extreme case, the > real world sounds become the performance. (that works in live shows as > well, as Mr. Cage was happy to point out ;) We've found environmental sounds a particular challenge/opportunity in Gray Code performance. When they had the big month-long Art-o-matic event at the former Hechinger's store at Tenleytown in DC, an alarm went off just before our performance, playing a very loud major second. No one knew how to shut it off, so we just accepted it and played anyway. Weirdly, it stopped just as we ended our first set. The Frankford Elevated line also makes several beautiful and well-timed appearances in the performance captured on our "Live in Philadelphia 2000" CD. Really. And Tom Bickley and I, recording our "All Souls" in Berkeley, intentionally left the doors to the space open, to accept sounds that came in as triggers for our improvisation. Granted, this stuff would be harder to work with if you had any plans about meter, tonality, etc, ahead of time :-) - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #86 *************************