From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #68 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, March 9 2002 Volume 08 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Buying BRITNEY... [Andrew Fries ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] heather nova [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: Loreena McKennett on Phila TV March 19th ["Datura Child" Subject: Re: Buying BRITNEY... On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:37:55 -0800 Greg Bossert wrote: > well, unimaginative is often accurate, in the sense of uncreative, in > the sense of conforming to a strong tradition of music and performance. > hmm, just like, say, the blues, or traditional celtic music, or that 17 > CD box set of "the music of islam" i've been working my way through with > awe. That's a good point I'm happy to concede... > and manufactured means, well, slick, which is to say, well crafted. Hmm.. by "manufactured" I tend to mean created in a production line-like process, without investing too much attention or feeling in the process. It might however involve skill, and the results might indeed be "slick". But "well crafted" would actually be the opposite of "manufactured", to me anyway. > i surely respect good crafting. it > takes a lot of patience, focus, and, in the end, a lot of imagination > and creativity -- it's just modest in not showing all that off in the > final result. In the words of Stephen L. Talbott, in "The Future Does Not Compute": "The issues here pierce to the essence of the business undertaking. Is the corporation a human activity in the service of human needs, or not?" In case of "really popular music", for me at least the answer to that question is a resounding "NO". The sole purpose is to make profit, at all cost. That's all. Bugger the artists, the public, the civil liberties even (as in the case of digital copyright). I am not at all against making profit as a matter of principle; I understand the need to make a living. I just insist business activity should have a meaning, provide some sort of service, satisfy some need. Then, if it brings financial rewards, that's fine with me. But I don't perceive any such value in Brittneys and Eminems. Like the product, the demand is completely manufactured... but does it take skill to produce a Brittney video? Well, sure it does. So what? I admit that was not always a major concern for me, but these days I try to look at broader perspective beyond the immediate technical merit. For example I'll admit some of the Linux software I use can lack in polish compared to its Windows counterparts, but I persist with Linux because the social implications, the spirit behind the product mean more to me than pure technical competency. So it is with music. > dedication and discipline to pull that off has to be enormous. I agree, but the trouble is, dedication and discipline alone leave me pretty cold. Again I have to ask, what are they meant to achieve? Clearly, they achieve a bundle of cash for them, but what do they mean *for me*? It's the same problem I face with the idea of sport. I can see that at the top level it takes a lifetime of dedication and training and even personal sacrifice to achieve results, yet all I can do is scratch my head - where is the purpose? Say, you run around the field a fraction of a second faster than the next guy! How does that benefit anyone, exactly? I know, I know. Example, inspiration, dedication. Yet I think before we get too excited it is a very good idea to keep the bottom line in mind ... some guys are running round and round - that's all. The same goes for Brittney. I know perfectly well what she does for the record company, or for herself. I just don't see what is MY role here beyond that of a cash cow - so I refuse to participate. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm out of bed and I'm dressed, what more do you want?" - spotted on a T-shirt - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tim Steele (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: heather nova Hi.. Heather Nova has done a duet with swedish indie rockers Eskobar called Someone New. Its quite nice. Anna Maria np-Jane Siberry-The walking Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:52:30 -0500 From: "Datura Child" Subject: Re: Loreena McKennett on Phila TV March 19th They're only showing her 'No Journey's End' special, not a live proformance. You can order an original copy from Quinlan Road. Megan >From: "Suzanne DeCory" >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Loreena McKennett on Phila TV March 19th >Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:33:09 -0500 > >Anyone thinking about taping it? If anyone is, I'd love a copy... >I'm over here in New York.. > >Suzanne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A Toltec is an artist of Love, >an artist of the Spirit, >someone who is creating every moment, >every second, the most beautiful art - >the Art of Dreaming. > >Life is nothing but a dream, >and if we are artists, >then we can create our life with Love, >and our dream becomes >a masterpiece of art. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #68 *************************