From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #66 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, March 7 2002 Volume 08 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- More on NIKKA's body. [irvin lin ] listeners and performers [Steve VanDevender ] Loreena McKennett on Phila TV March 19th [] prophecy! ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: prophecy! [Paul Blair ] RE: Nikka Costa... smells like Tap Spirit [Phil Hudson ] Re: prophecy! [Jessica Koeppel ] OTR @ Mercury Lounge [Paul Blair ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge [Jessica Koeppel ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge [Steve VanDevender ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge [Jessica Koeppel ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge ["Bill" ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge ["Bill" ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge [Paul Blair ] Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge ["Bill" ] Re: Colette Baron-Reid ["Datura Child" ] New Patti Smith [jjhanson@att.net] Re: New Patti Smith [Paul Blair ] Re:singers using sex to sell records, what a shocking turn [cyo@landofthe] an annoying test message [Ed Cole ] RE: singers using sex to sell records, what a shocking turn [Phil Hudson ] random thoughts (probably non-ectoish) [Ed Cole ] Tech Question [RavFlight@aol.com] Re: Feist [meredith ] n&k nields in new haven april 21 [meredith ] Re: prophecy! [meredith ] Re: random thoughts (probably non-ectoish) [Neal Copperman Subject: More on NIKKA's body. >> Why is it that a male performer can can wear nothing more than a faded >> pair of denim jeans and reviews will mention little beyond the fact that >> the he lost his gut and now looks hard and fast, but if a female performer >> wears nothing but a faded pair of denim jeans she gets compared to a >> dancer from a strip joint, regardless of her performance? What I find more fascinating, is that half the moves that she uses PRINCE has used back in 1980's and people viewed it as sexy and sensual, but when she uses it, it's viewed as trashy. But then I guess back then PRINCE was viewed as trashy by some, so I guess it all depends on you perspective and point of view. For some odd reason, I find nothing offensive about the showing of flesh on NIKKA's video, while BRITNEY's videos (especially her latest I'M A SLAVE 4U) I tend to cringe at. Well, when I'm not trying to analyze her dance moves. It's funny though, I had actually seen the LIKE A FEATHER video, but had forgotten about it, and when NEILE had mentioned the video, and the fact that NIKKA looks like she's half naked, I just assumed that she was talking about a different video. On watching the video again, I realized that it WAS the video that everyone was talking about. But surprisingly, while I watched the video I was paying more attention to NIKKA and her performance, and the editing of the video, and barely even noticed the fact that she was only wearing a scarf. I am trying to figure out why this is, and I think it has to do with both the music and the performances of the singers. In BRITNEY's video, she's obviously slithering around to turn people on and get a reaction from them. While (and I might be wrong) NIKKA seems to be reveling in her own body and her own sensuality. I am sure that is what BRITNEY is TRYING to get across, but it seems obviously staged, while NIKKA's seems genuine. From both her music and the history that I have read about NIKKA, I get a feeling that she is completely comfortable with her body, and as such, has no problem showing it off (similar to the way a woman in france would have no problem going topless on a beach). While BRITNEY seems to be using her body to get what she wants, in fact bartering for our affection, while NIKKA could care less about winning our affection. She's up there for the sheer pleasure of performing. Even in the concert footage, NIKKA is baring her stomach, but it's in a pair of jeans, and cut off shirt, and somehow this feels like NIKKA is just wearing something she's comfortable in and is comfortable on stage, while if BRITNEY wear exactly the same thing, I would think she as just playing the sex kitten card again. Perhaps it is the fact that NIKKA seems to be genuinely having fun, while BRITNEY seems to be doing work, or perhaps it is because of the funk filled songs that NIKKA writes that feels more real, as opposed to the obviously overproduced pop that BRITNEY is singing. I don't know. But all I know is that I really LOVE the album by NIKKA COSTA, and BRITNEY's latest album (other than maybe one song) is pretty dull. Irvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:06:22 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: listeners and performers Recently I mentioned how much I'd been enjoying a local Eugene band called Tympanic. I was fortunate enough to find out about their first public performance last year because I know one of the band members, a friend of mine named Harvey Rogers. Tympanic isn't really standard Ecto fare, as I also mentioned before; they do sort of jangly intricate rock, frequently improvisational, something I once described as "Phish-flavored" although I really don't remember enough of what little I've heard of Phish to feel confident about the comparison, although friend who had just heard them play for her first time made a similar comparison without prompting. Their first few shows weren't perfectly smooth, but I was impressed by frequent flashes of real musical skill, and even if the skill wasn't always working, they showed ambition and joy in playing. And each show was better than the last; I may have gone to the first show as a favor to my friends in the band, but after that I was going because I genuinely enjoyed their music. So I kept going to each new show, and there have been quite a few recently as they work their way into the local music scene. They seem to have made some local bar owners pretty happy since they can draw a crowd, if only because they can get a lot of their friends (and they have quite a few) to show up. Last week one of the band members paid me the great compliment of calling me their most loyal fan, because as it turns out I've been to all of their public performances so far. I've been bemused myself by the band members' own reaction of apparent bashful surprise to how many people keep coming to their shows, almost as if they think their friends are showing up just to be nice. All the band members are students, and with the end of the academic term and spring break coming up they're taking a break from performing until April. I realized that I was going to have a long wait after a series of increasingly confident and enjoyable performances. So I ended up writing a note to the band members to try to express how important the music I like is to me, how I feel compelled to encourage the musicians whose music inspires me if I actually get the chance to meet them, and that at this point there's no question that I'm going to their shows because I genuinely enjoy their music. Well, Harvey wrote a reply that I found so interesting, in the description of what it's like for them to perform and the glimpse it gives into how some people noodling around with instruments turns into a band with fans, that I asked him if I could post it here along with the note I wrote to them, which he nicely agreed to. His reply actually comes first (he punctuates much like woj, in fact). - ---------------------------------------------------------------- hey steve. my head is filled with caffeine and a bit of alcohol (recently consumed to combat the caffeine), so i'm not in the best shape to respond to such a thoughtful message right now, but it demands a response and i refuse to allow it to slip down into the void that is my inbox, so i'm writing immediately. i still remember the first time we had a real audience. it was just john, austin and myself doing a series of improvisations for fun in someone's basement. we had no songs set out at all. this session just so happened to coincide with a party upstairs, but we didn't think much of it. we were just playing as personal practice, and had no intention of actually entertaining a crowd. sure enough, couple by couple, people started coming into our little room in the basement. i remember at one point i looked up and the room was filled with people, red-faced from the booze, smiling like crazy, and some were even half-dancing. when we finished each improv, people cheered. i was thinking, "you can't be serious. people actually *want* to listen to us?" i'll be the first to admit that we still retain a lot of that attitude. that's why it blows us away when people come to the shows and actually really enjoy themselves. it's just so much fun for us, it feels like we *have* to be imposing on other people or something would be out of balance. does that makes sense? regardless, words really can't describe how much encouragement like yours means to us (and especially to john, who writes almost all the songs - don't be surprised if he proposes after i forward your message to him). we know the "magic" very well. as i'm sure you've witnessed or experienced, musicians are sometimes on and sometimes off. even the most seasoned veterans will play a bad show now and then. tympanic is in general still quite wet behind the ears. our vocals need more work, our transitions and endings are often times sloppy, and...well, you get the idea. but even if we play like shit, seeing all those people, particularly yourself, dancing to what we're helping to create gives us such a high...it's really indescribable. when we're playing well, the feeling is just off the charts. i think what a lot of bands forget, or just have never known, is that the magic doesn't come from them. music is its own beast, and if we're lucky enough to help some of it get to the audience's ears, then we're some of the most fortunate people in the world. basically, musicians just serve as the middlemen (middlepeople?) between the audience and the music. the magic for us comes equally from delivering music and seeing the audience receive the music in a positive way. there will always be those fans that just come to booze it up and dance with the girls at our shows. that's awesome. but the fans that really get us off are the ones like you, who actually feel the music on a more magical level. the fact that we are able to do that to people is truly unreal, as we've envied the bands that have done it to us for so long. this is why support like yours is so fantastic. it's the reason we're on cloud nine for literally days after we play a show. in my half-coherent state i'm prone to babble all night long, and i'm sure i've made little sense thus far, so i should probably try to wrap this up before i start really attacking your sanity. be assured that if we ever play anywhere big enough to have backstage passes, you'll get a couple dozen :) thanks so much for your support. it really does have an unspeakable impact on us. see you soon, harv On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Steve VanDevender wrote: > I woke up Sunday morning with fragments of songs playing in my head, and > realized that after seeing four Tympanic shows in three weeks, it was > going to be over a month before I'd have a chance to see another one, > and I felt a little sad, although that was partly a hangover. > > I've always felt a little inarticulate about music; when people ask me > "what kind of music do you like?" I can't come up with a simple answer. > And what I think of to say about music, no matter how eloquent I try to > be, never quite seems to capture how the music I like best makes me > feel. > > What I can say, though, is that to me good music is magical, and the > best music transcendent. Not everyone seems to feel that way, and the > people who do don't all find the magic in the same places. I'll lend > something I like to someone else who's passionate about music and > curious about my tastes, and often they'll just go "Eh." Once in a > while they'll complain that something I like makes their ears blister > and their brain curdle. But to me, the stuff that I like is almost > addictive. If a musician or group can make the magic happen in my head, > then I'll keep coming back. > > So I'm honored, but a little embarrassed, when you've called me your > most loyal fan, even if I'm not sure I really deserve that title. And > you all seem pleased, but still a little puzzled, that all these people > keep coming to your shows and enjoying themselves, even if a lot of them > are your friends who you might think would show up anyway. I probably > wouldn't have gone to that first show at the Buzz if Harvey and John > hadn't told me about it ahead of time. And those first few shows had > their rough edges and ambitious tries that didn't quite work. But I saw > not just obvious competence and cohesiveness, but the joy in playing > and the subtle insight that turns a bunch of people playing instruments > into a band playing music. > > I haven't met, and may never meet, many of the musicians whose work I > most enjoy. When I do, though, I feel compelled to give them some words > of encouragment; even though many are satisfying a compulsion to create > that would happen no matter what, they do seem to appreciate knowing > that it's connecting with someone out there. I have to admit it's a > different experience for me to go to a show and know all the people up > on the stage performing. > > But what it really comes down to is that I go to one of your shows, and > I listen, and the magic happens in my head. You probably don't know how > you're doing it any more than I do, but it happens. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:15:33 -0500 From: "Michael Colford" Subject: Feist Has anyone heard of the Canadian act, Feist? I stumbled across a video by them called "It's Cool to Love Your Family" on a Canadian site (I think it's called Umbrella? I have the link at home) and really dug the song. This quartet is led by Leslie Feist, whose voice is reminiscent of Heather Nova on her debut album. I ordered the CD and am really enjoying it. Pretty straightforward pop-rock, with excellent use of a string quartet on a lot of the songs. The afore-mentioned "It's Cool to Love Your Family" reminded me of a gentler Liz Phair, but the more I listen to the CD, the more I think of Heather Nova. I find this rather odd since I am not a fan of Heather's. Her debut album was nice, but not enough to keep me hooked. I'd be curious to see what, if they've heard of her/them, people think of Feist. Pretty cool stuff. Michael n.p. Feist - Monarch n.r. Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:41:28 -0500 From: Subject: Loreena McKennett on Phila TV March 19th FYI Phila area people.... Channel 35, WYBE is showing Loreena McKennett on Tuesday, March 19th @ 10pm. The following is the show description... Loreena McKennett: No Journey's End Follow Loreena from her native Canada to the breathtaking landscapes and celtic traditions of Ireland, and from the exotic rhythms of Morocco to the haunting majesty of Medieval Spain. Features music and live performances from her acclaimed albums, The Visit and The Mask and Mirror, including the songs "Lady of Shalott," "The Bonny Swans," and "Santiago. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:44:34 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: prophecy! you can now order Susan's latest, _prophecy_ through her website at www.susanmckeown.com. Woo hoo! the most amusing thing to me about the new descriptions of the album up at the site, is the listing of guest musicians. I was going nuts trying to figure out who was singing the middle verses of "because I could not stop for death." kept thinkint it sounded like natalie merchant, but was convinced there was no way it could be her. Guess I should trust myself..."And special guests Natalie Merchant" In vaguely related news, meth, what's the deal with the new Christine Fellows? She sez on her site (which, presumably, means you put the text on her site...) that it was out as of yesterday and should be available from www.sixshooterrecords.com, but I can't actually get to anything besides a 404 at that site.... jeff n.p. _Prophecy_, Susan McKeown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:01:18 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: prophecy! Jeff writes: >you can now order Susan's latest, _prophecy_ through her website at >www.susanmckeown.com. Woo hoo! What, no tin whistle on "Wheels of the World"? It's a sin. (Or maybe it's a sacrament: I once read of a medieval philosopher who explained what happens to the bread and wine when they become the body of Christ in the Eucharist: they are "present as negated.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:05:39 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Nikka Costa... smells like Tap Spirit But I like Barbarella! (I also enjoy it being a constant source of embarrassment for Jane Fonda.) neal I never said I didn't like it :) I just said it was on of the worst movies ever; it also fully showcased the entire range of director Roger Vadim's talents! It ranks higher than ' Attack of the Killer Tomatoes ' in my book. I'm amazed MST3K never took it on. I especially loved the use of a 55-letter Welsh word as the secret password: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwilllantysiliogogoch phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: prophecy! - --- "Jeffrey C. Burka" wrote: > you can now order Susan's latest, _prophecy_ through > her website at > www.susanmckeown.com. Woo hoo! Apologies for the bugs ... sound clips will be fixed by tomorrow nite, and the dumb 404 error page after you buy on PayPal will be fixed tonite! was braindead last night ... > > the most amusing thing to me about the new > descriptions of the album up > at the site, is the listing of guest musicians. I > was going nuts trying > to figure out who was singing the middle verses of > "because I could not > stop for death." kept thinkint it sounded like > natalie merchant, but > was convinced there was no way it could be her. Yes, but listening to a record before reading the inlay booklet is always fun! see what jumps out at my ears ... and try to figure it out. ===== Regards, Carolyn Andre candre@house-of-music.com Carolyn's House of Music http://house-of-music.com/ Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:40:34 -0800 From: Jessica Koeppel Subject: Re: prophecy! >Apologies for the bugs ... sound clips will be fixed >by tomorrow nite, and the dumb 404 error page after >you buy on PayPal will be fixed tonite! was braindead >last night ... laugh - I *just* finished sending an email reporting the broken link... don't worry about the bugs - i thought it was awesome that it was *so*easy* to buy! - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:48:04 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: OTR @ Mercury Lounge I got to work the merchandise table for last night's OTR show, which was a mixed experience for me. The table was set up outside so I couldn't actually see most of the show. I did get to run in occasionally while Jillian, the other volunteer, watched the table. But we sold a bunch of CDs and T-shirts and met a lot of nice people, which was gratifying. I'm glad I did it, but disappointed I didn't get to hear more music. The show itself was an acoustic set--just Karin, Linford and Jack Henderson--and the place was so packed you couldn't see if you weren't up in front. - -And- Go, go, go listen to this clip before Over the Rhine takes it down for next month's "mp3 rarity of the month." Jillian, with whom I was working the merchandise table last night, is the vocalist; the clip is off the Over the Rhine tribute CD: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:04:43 -0800 From: Jessica Koeppel Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge >Go, go, go listen to this clip before Over the Rhine takes it down >for next month's "mp3 rarity of the month." Jillian, with whom I was >working the merchandise table last night, is the vocalist; the clip >is off the Over the Rhine tribute CD: > thanks for the pointer.. sigh. I wish OTR was coming to the west coast. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:10:58 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge Jessica Koeppel writes: > sigh. I wish OTR was coming to the west coast. They came to Eugene once and played at a location near to me that I had never heard of before, where you were supposed to call to inquire about tickets. I called a week ahead of time and got a recorded message saying the show was already sold out. I was kind of annoyed. I haven't heard them (yet, I'm in the process of downloading some of the MP3s on their web site) but wanted to after seeing all the positive reviews on ecto. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:16:14 -0500 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Feist On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 08:15:33AM -0500, Michael Colford wrote: > Has anyone heard of the Canadian act, Feist? I stumbled across a video by > them called "It's Cool to Love Your Family" on a Canadian site (I think it's > called Umbrella? I have the link at home) and really dug the song. This > quartet is led by Leslie Feist, whose voice is reminiscent of Heather Nova > on her debut album. I ordered the CD and am really enjoying it. > > I'd be curious to see what, if they've heard of her/them, people think of > Feist. Pretty cool stuff. Leslie (Feist) played at Meth's houseconcert with 2 other Canadians (Sarah Harmer and Sarah Slean). Probably one of the best shows I'e seen there, in terms of sheer talent. Photos from the show are at: ~http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/script.cgi?stext=&page=12&Show=Show&options=D&options=T&options=U ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:17:11 -0800 From: Jessica Koeppel Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge >I haven't heard them (yet, I'm in the process of downloading some of the >MP3s on their web site) but wanted to after seeing all the positive >reviews on ecto. eep! wow - and you've been on ecto for what - ever? :) I adore Over The Rhine. One of my favorites of all time. I have never seen them live, except for when they play with Cowboy Junkies - but then they're only playing CJ material. - --jessica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:22:43 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:48:04 -0500, Paul Blair wrote: >Go, go, go listen to this clip before Over the Rhine takes it down >for next month's "mp3 rarity of the month." Jillian, with whom I was >working the merchandise table last night, is the vocalist; the clip >is off the Over the Rhine tribute CD: > oohh!! I really like that voice... - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:24:15 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:10:58 -0800, Steve VanDevender wrote: >I haven't heard them AND WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?! Start with _Good Dog Bad Dog_. - - Bill G. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:53 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge > >Go, go, go listen to this clip before Over the Rhine takes it down >>for next month's "mp3 rarity of the month." Jillian, with whom I was >>working the merchandise table last night, is the vocalist; the clip >>is off the Over the Rhine tribute CD: >> > >oohh!! I really like that voice... Imagine sitting next to her at the merch table and having her do backing vocals while OTR was on stage in the other room... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:40:37 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: OTR @ Mercury Lounge On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:25:53 -0500, Paul Blair wrote: >Imagine sitting next to her at the merch table and having her do >backing vocals while OTR was on stage in the other room... You are one very lucky man. Having a beautiful woman sing to me with that kind of voice is something that I'd trade my Haagen Dazs for! - - Bill G. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:11:24 -0500 From: "Datura Child" Subject: Re: Colette Baron-Reid Yeah, I'm pretty dumb sometimes :) I figured out how to listen to the songs a little while ago, and ordered the album out of morbid curiosity, if nothing else. After listening to it a couple of times, she reminds me of Madonna (in the 'Ray of Light' period) and Tara MacClean much more than Tori or Loreena. For me any resemblance this has to Tori is a result of the production; the songs were all co-written by Eric Rosse, who also played most of the instruments. Live drums on a few tracks were supplied by Matt Chamberlain. And on guitars and mandalin? You guessed it--Caton! The album is nice enough, I suppose, but I've definately heard much more interesting things lately. Megan >From: "n'woj" >To: bloated lapses into trope >Subject: Re: Colette Baron-Reid >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:24:21 -0500 > >when we last left our heroes, Datura Child exclaimed: > >>I looked at her site...I wonder if her sounding like Tori has anything to >>do >>with the fact that Eric Rosse is involved? Is there anywhere that you can >>actually listen to any of the album? > >you can listen to the entire album on her site. on each song's page, >there's a link to listen to the song via streaming windows media. i'm >listening to it now and don't really hear a similarity to tori. but that >may just be me. ;) > >woj _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:23:51 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: New Patti Smith Patti Smith has a new double album coming out March 19th that is sort of a career retrospective but includes lots of unreleased tracks. I heard one the other day on the radio--her cover of Prince's When Doves Cry--and it was absolutely phenomenal--sounds like Patti at her best. Really looking forward to this one. Jeff Hanson n.p. Brian Joseph - Somewhere It's True ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:05:43 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: New Patti Smith Jeff wrote: >Patti Smith has a new double album coming out The issue of Patti Smith's real name is left as an exercise for the reader (or at least for Neile and Joe)... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:52:30 -0800 From: cyo@landoftheblind.com Subject: Re:singers using sex to sell records, what a shocking turn thanks Michael for including me in the outrageous costumes section, it made me laugh. having always been a female performer that did not want to "use it" yet, at the same time being a strange character drawn to wild shocking fun in performances. My favorite two insanities with Blind both involved nudity and you may have seen the one at Wow Hall in Eugene a couple years back? (one was very cool and one was quite funny) We were still performing The Cross and I had Krystov build me a large cross about 15 ft high for the annual Witches Ball. We ended with the song, as we performed it in the dark with only candles and near the end of the song I slipped behind the band and undressed to just a diaper-y thing, and I switched to head mic fast, started singing and climbing up this 15 ft cross (which also felt much higher now that it was up on a 6ft stage) and at the very end of the song reached the top where we had built a head dress/crown of thorns of white Christmas lights wrapped and wrapped around ........and so there i was naked 20ft up putting my head under it, putting my arms out on the cross and hanging and they hit the switch for the little lights to come on, (having blown out the candles so the climb was in the dark, and the whole giant room was dark until the headlights crown came on...)...there was a huge gasp and silence and then folks just screamed and screamed. I really thought it was a cool idea especially since it was under $20 and we never had the big bucks to rent video projectors etc...(ahh what a show I could do with some money! watch out Peter G!!) I wish now that I had film on it, it was cool looking at a distance I imagine. But later, every time I did an interview or planned something in Eugene for about 2 years I would hear "are you going to do the cross thing again?" with eye rolling and "Cyoakha sings wonderfully and gives you an eyeful also" (in an interview) and so suddenly this cool, shocking weird thing I did that fit with the song (about how we all sacrifice ourselves) was an eye rolling tittering thing. ugh. So in my avoiding of the "babe thing" it came right back at me. So to the questions of why a guy can stand there in skin tight black leather jeans and play his guitar like he is wacking off and then a woman performs in a see thru top and that's all they talk about, well they're called breasts and it's a sexist little world still. I myself had this weird theory that if you just took off the see thru top that would reduce the sexiness to actual breasts and take care of the whole question but so far my theory hasn't worked for me. But hey, I do like being naked and I like my breasts but I like my voice better. I love Burning Man cause everyone is naked and the "sexy babes" are usually kinda dressed, sexy underwear etc...funny isn't it? If you are female and a sexy person, then everyone stares at you and some people like it and lust after you without knowing you which is weird and some folks hate you and put you and your music down which is also strange. The difference for me when I watch a Kate Bush video or see a naked Joni M on an old album cover and then watch ChristinaMariahBritany is naturalness. One just is, one is pretending to be or selling something. The difference between watching Body Heat and Three's Company, one might have more jiggles and giggles but really no sex at all. It could be age also, what do little girls dressed up like women since they were 12 , really know about real sex?? And why does our society want to buy and sell them that way? If we weren't buying they wouldn't be trying. We are really talking about something for little kids, all the little girls that are 12 buying Britany hoping to be like her and all the little boys lusting after her at 14/15 are who are the majority market for this shit. I myself don't know any adults buying Britany. It sure is all boring to me... anywho, I shall now get down from my box of soap. thanks Michael for enjoying my weirdnesses thru the years. (and I still get in trouble!!!after EctofestWest my bass player quit the band because "I was dressed completely inadequately!" in a see thru top again damn it, which I didn't even think was that see thru, I grabbed it because I was hot and didn't care until I saw Bill Mazur's video and went "oh"...but hey, it's only breasts anyway) peace, cyoakha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:14:44 +0000 From: Ed Cole Subject: an annoying test message please excuse and ignore. trying to configure eudora to send a message to the list from work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:22:50 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: singers using sex to sell records, what a shocking turn ....anywho, I shall now get down from my box of soap. thanks Michael for enjoying my weirdnesses thru the years. (and I still get in trouble!!!after EctofestWest my bass player quit the band because "I was dressed completely inadequately!" in a see thru top again damn it, which I didn't even think was that see thru, I grabbed it because I was hot and didn't care until I saw Bill Mazur's video and went "oh"...but hey, it's only breasts anyway) peace, cyoakha Cy, Was this the same bass player who, dressed in a skimpy mini-dress and orange panties, accidentally flashed the crowd when she bent over her amp with her back to audience? Got one of the biggest ovations of the day :) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:20:17 +0000 From: Ed Cole Subject: random thoughts (probably non-ectoish) Must be fated to write this message. Got into my truck to do a quick job and Me and Bobby McGee was playing on the campus radio station. Got to work early expecting to shovel snow, no snow so I upgraded my Real Player and checked out the Nikka Costa videos that have generated comments. Then I spent most of the day walking behind a 36" mower, mindless enough work to allow me the freedom of thinking about the videos and the comments. Unfortunately I deleted the messages and don't remember who said what. On the sensuous psychotropic video. I can see where it might offend some folks but I agree that it doesn't fall into the same category as Ms. Spears sex-kitten vamping. Great video, reminds me of the light shows of the '60s. It was the mention of Janis Joplin that I was thinking most about. I could see a slight physical resemblance (the hair and glasses mainly), and the coarse language in the live show was a flashback as well. Although Janis was never quite as bad as Grace Slick in that department. I lived in S.F. '67-69 and got to see Janis numerous times, mostly with Big Brother, once with the Full Tilt group. I had a huge crush on Janis. If someone had played Nikka's CD and mentioned Janis my first thought would have been, you gotta be kidding. Chakka Khan yes, but not Janis. But after watching the Amsterdam live video and thinking about it all morning I can see, hear, and agree with the comparison. It's in the spirit of the music that I can hear Janis. Nikka seems to be a young woman who has a real zest for living and expressing that zest through her music. Like Janis, she has a whole lotta soul and knows how to share it with the rest of us by her artistry. My only worry might be that her zest and soul stay natural and not come from a bottle of Southern Comfort or smack like Janis's. We saw where that led. Anyhow, thanks for all the comments about Nikka. It's not music I would normally have listened to, but I love it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:50:10 EST From: RavFlight@aol.com Subject: Tech Question Alright, so I admit that this is a tech question having only to do with Ecto if you consider a CD player that plays, among other things, Ecto CDs on it a music question, but its been driving me insane and I have to face up to it, so here goes. I downloaded RealPlayer for some reason or another, and now my Windows Media Player won't play CDs, and for that point, neither will Real Audio. How do I tell my computor to automatically use WMP to play CDs instead of another system? Anyone have any ideas? If not, that's fine, but this seemed a good place to look Ryan Rogers RavFlight@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:32:11 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Feist Hi, JeffW recalled: >Leslie (Feist) played at Meth's houseconcert with 2 other >Canadians (Sarah Harmer and Sarah Slean). Probably one of the >best shows I'e seen there, in terms of sheer talent. Yeah, that was one of the coolest things we've had here so far. It was just supposed to be a Sarah Slean show, then at the last minute Heather (Sarah's manager) emailed to ask if Slean's friend Sarah Harmer could come too. Leslie Feist got added even later than that. I'd never heard her music before, but I really liked what she did. She's really sweet, too. She got the award for playing the weirdest instrument of the day: something called an omnichord. Unfortunately her album didn't do a whole lot for me, though I haven't listened to it in a while. I should dig it out and listen again (she signed it "to meth and woj - thanks for letting me be a jackass in your living room" ;). ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:10:26 -0500 From: meredith Subject: n&k nields in new haven april 21 Hi, We just finalized the details of this today, in time to announce it at Nerissa and Katryna's in-store performance at Cutler's Records downtown this afternoon. Magnetic Music and the House O'Muzak Present: NERISSA & KATRYNA NIELDS w/special guest ANNE HEATON Sunday, April 21 at 4 pm United Church on the Green Corner of Temple and Elm Sts., New Haven, CT Tickets $15 for adults, $8 for students w/ID On sale at Group W Bench, Chapel St., New Haven (and soon online at www.ctfolk.com) Complete details: http://www.ctfolk.com/nields.html or email meth@smoe.org This is going to be a homecoming of sorts for Yale grad Nerissa. Both she and Katryna are really excited about this show. Every time I've seen them perform in New Haven (either with or without the band) it's been special, and this promises to be no different. Yay!! ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:31:01 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: prophecy! Hi, Jeffy mentioned: >In vaguely related news, meth, what's the deal with the new Christine >Fellows? She sez on her site (which, presumably, means you put the text >on her site...) that it was out as of yesterday and should be available >from www.sixshooterrecords.com, but I can't actually get to anything >besides a 404 at that site.... Argh, they're driving me crazy over there. I don't know why their site doesn't exist yet. In any event, _The Last One Standing_ is available at http://www.lodestarmusic.com and also at http://www.maplemusic.com. I know those links work. :) ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:47:31 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: random thoughts (probably non-ectoish) At 4:20 PM +0000 3/6/02, Ed Cole wrote: >My only worry might be that her zest and soul stay natural and not >come from a bottle of Southern Comfort or smack like Janis's. We >saw where that led. For what it's worth (and that's probably not much), she was drinking water at the concert I was at. neal np: push it to the max ep - Zap Mama (alternating with editing a Huun Huur Tu recording!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:17:49 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re:singers using sex to sell records, what a shocking turn At 1:52 PM -0800 3/6/02, cyo@landoftheblind.com wrote: >I myself don't know any >adults buying Britany. It sure is all boring to me... Cyoakha meet irvin. irvin, Cyoakha :) neal ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #66 *************************