From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #34 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, February 3 2002 Volume 08 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Reminder: Joe Zitt with large ensemble in Bay Area Saturday [Joseph Zitt ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: download software [Dracovixen@aol.com] Best of 2001 and some [Yngve Hauge ] Jorane lyrics? [NeverForever22@aol.com] Jorane lyrics? [NeverForever22@aol.com] Re: download software [Neile Graham ] NAPSTER / FAIRTUNES [irvin lin ] Jessica / Cyo, Krystov, and the new SF Blind / Joseph [Bill Mazur ] Re: NAPSTER / FAIRTUNES [Andrew Fries ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:05:46 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Reminder: Joe Zitt with large ensemble in Bay Area Saturday Hi, all! I'm zooming about on tour, and have been here in Berkeley for the past few days, rehearsing for a concert Saturday night: SATURDAY 2 Feb 2002 8 pm "Surprise Me with Beauty" performance by the Cornelius Cardew Choir, Tuva Space, 3192 Adeline, Berkeley (nr Ashby BART), $8 - 10, All Ages welcome, no one refused for lack of funds. I haven't been spamming the list with announcements of the various gigs (almost all of which have gone excitingly well, from my POV), but this one's something special: approximately eighteen members of the Cornelius Cardew Choir are performing an evening of my ensemble works, mostly from my book "Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems" . Prepare to set aside all expectations of somber and difficult "um... interesting" music -- this stuff is turning out to be a whole lot of fun (the rehearsals have been a riot) and often, well, surprisingly beautiful. It was good meeting Cyoakha and Bill Mazur this evening at the Starry Plough -- though I arrived just after Cyoakha finished her set *sigh*. I hope to see whoever can make it Saturday night! - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Bob Lovejoy (rlovejoy@home.com) ********************* ******************* Diane Burke (dburke@wellesley.edu) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:36:39 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: download software Napster was awesome, but now here's something that's also awesome... I know many have tried Kazaa, but now I have found something even better... go to www.audiogalaxcy.com Download "Satellite"...set it up, and run it, then search for files on audiogalaxy.com, and download them. Everytime you go online Satellite will begin downloading everything you told it to download the last time you were online...if it didn't get the chance to finish...my success rate has been wonderful on a 56k modem...And audiogalaxy has a lot of hard to find and fairly unknown bands... Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:32:24 +0100 (CET) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Best of 2001 and some I already announced that my best of 2001 list was late but forthcoming. Over the years my best of lists have been cluttered with new and upcoming norwegian artists, and last year was no difference. Norwegian labels have become more and more interested in new talents writing their own music and sounding different than the rest of the mainstream market. I didn't go to more than a couple of concerts, but when those were Kristin Hersh and Lamb then I shouldn't complain. I couple of albums released in 2001 I have moved to this year because they didn't get to my local store, I couldn't afford to buy them when they came out or they weren't released in Norway and I couldn't order them over the net cause of not having a credit card at the moment. Among them were Ephemera, Bertine Zetlitz and Veda Hille. That's enough of an exclaimer :) Musical awe moment : Listening to my old CDs on my new loudspeakers bought just after christmas. If you think about buying some new speakers then you should definitely check out the norwegian Patos - you won't be disappointed!! 10 best albums of 2001 in no particular order 1. Susie Varming - Barefoot in the Snow I got this CD dropped into my hand by a friend of mine working in record store here in town, and I've kept playing it quite a bit after that. This new norwegian artist - the first I've heard from someone from Svalbard I think - is showing very strong both musical and lyrical skills, and I really love the sparse production mostly only voice and accoustic guitar. The lyrics are very very good - especially on Run which is IMO the strongest and most moving song on the album. 2. Katthult - Eponymous I was a bit sceptical to this band after all the coverage they got in the media, but I was very positively surpriced. They are among those new artists/bands that are allowed to do their own thing without being destroyed by a company only wanting money. Thanks to Lene Marlin this has become the new thing around here. Katthult's sound is moving from folk to traditional norwegian music to pop without any real dwelling on any of the genres. I've listened to "Sunshine after the rain" so many times now wondering how they manage to move from a really boring melodyline the first half of the song to the amazing song it turns out to be when adding more instruments. The closest I get to a comparison is John & Mary. A very very strong debut! 3. Anja Garbarek - Smiling & Waving She seems to need time to get over each album she makes, but when she does it is worth the wait. Another weird and wonderful release and a worthy followup to the the amazing Balloon Mood. She is still stuck in KaTe's The Dreaming land, but I don't mind that at all cause that is also an album I'm getting back to quite often. 4. Susan Werner - New Non-Fiction Even though I get stuck on Stationary probably my favorite song of last year I really enjoy the rest of the album when I get around to listen to it all the way through. 5. Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue She never stops to amaze me - and I'm if possible an even bigger fan after experiences her wonderful self at the concert in Oslo early last year. Just can say that I higly awaits her next album. 6. Hope Sandoval & The Warm Inventions - Bavarian Fruit Bed Amazing solo debut ! What has amazed me even more are all the rave reviews she has got in norwegian media. If her forthcoming releases are all half this good then I'm really gonna be happy. 7. Susanne Vega - Songs in Red and Grey One wonderful song after the other - She is back to where she did began and I don't blaim her for that at all. 8. Lamb - What Sound Together with Velvet Belly my alltime favorite live band. With the welcome they got this time I recon they will come back very soon, and then we won't let them just come back on stage 2 times :) Sparser sound on this album, but I don't think those songs could have been done in any other way. 9. Savage Rose - Eponymous/Travelin' The only releases not from last year, but the remastering of the old Savage Rose albums is so good that I couldn't leave them off. The people doing the first remastering should have been kicked out of business! 10. Lily Frost - Lunamarium One of 3 albums I got from Damon where one of the others was the Susan Werner above. I really need to listen to it more, cause I've been very busy listening to older albums and I've barely managed to keep up with what's happened musicwise. Concidering the new Anne Marie Almedal album and a promised Velvet Belly album later this year I'm very optimistic concerning this year in music. I experienced an amazing concert by a friend of mine playing violine sonatas by Brahms and Strauss last week. I've been waiting for his debut for years after I first heard him play 15 years ago. - -- Yngve n.p. Lily Frost - Lunamarium n.r. C.J.Cherryh - The Goblin Mirror ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:45:24 EST From: NeverForever22@aol.com Subject: Jorane lyrics? I recently downloaded some songs by Jorane and I'm dying to find some lyrics. I know french pretty well, but I can't always understand what she's saying. I was wondering if anyone knows where to find some of her lyrics online, preferably in french, not english translations (poetic translations are not always accurate). Thanks! -Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:46:28 EST From: NeverForever22@aol.com Subject: Jorane lyrics? I recently downloaded some songs by Jorane and I'm dying to find some lyrics. I know french pretty well, but I can't always understand what she's saying. I was wondering if anyone knows where to find some of her lyrics online, preferably in french, not english translations (poetic translations are not always accurate). Thanks! -Nancy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:09:19 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: download software Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: >Download "Satellite"...set it up, and run it, then search for files on >audiogalaxy.com, and download them. Everytime you go online Satellite will >begin downloading everything you told it to download the last time you were >online...if it didn't get the chance to finish...my success rate has been >wonderful on a 56k modem...And audiogalaxy has a lot of hard to find and >fairly unknown bands... And isn't available for the Mac. - --neile - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ............ http://www.ectoguide.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:24:30 -0800 From: irvin lin Subject: NAPSTER / FAIRTUNES Andrew wrote: > I miss Napster; my success rate with Napster downloads would be probably > around 80-90% (ie,I'd be able to actually download 80-90% of the tracks listed > in its database). With those totally decentralised peer-to-peer systems like > Gnutella that ratio is much, much lower - it feels more like 10%. I'd be very > curious to know if my dial-up connection is to blame for this, or is it > something others find as well? I too miss NAPSTER. My success rate was never that high, more like 60-70% but it certainly was higher than it is now with decentralized p2p programs. I really only used NAPSTER to track down bsides and hard to find songs and boots/demos. I found downloading a whole album by someone wasn't worth it. It's was much easier to plunk down the $10 for a used copy than to sit there and click and click. And click until something downloaded, but I have to admit that I did love having the opportunity to sample songs before buying shelling out the bucks. GNUTELLA tends to be clogged up and I only get about a 20% success rate. I'm on a DSL line, but I perhaps it is also because I am MACbased, and the programs for MAC's aren't as good as they are for PC (LIMESHARE is a PC program that was ported over for MAC, and tends to be slow and freeze, and MACTELLA is rather inconsistant). I hear the BEARSHARE is a better program but it has never been ported over to MAC's. I find that OPENNAPSTER is a little bit better, with about a 40% rate. Unfortunately I have yet to find the right program for a MAC so I use iSWIPE which is a leech program and is quite good, though I feel kinda poopy using it, leeching off of people, and not sharing back. I hear the KAZAA/MORPHEUS/AUDIO GALAXY is the best one yet, but again there is no MAC version. iSWIPE claims to be working on being able to leech off of the AUDIO GALAXY systems, but it's still working on it, and again there is the leech thing. And HOTLINE is too much of a pain to use to download MP3's. I'll use it to download larger files perhaps, but for small MP3's it's not worth the hassle. I've also noticed that with the new P2P programs, I can rarely find the songs that I want. Only the songs that are readily available to purchase. Which is kinda sad. If I wanted to find that rare bside on NAPSTER I usually was able to track it down after a couple of tries. Much hard now on the new P2P programs. As for FAIRTUNES, I haven't seen it talked about much here on the list. It's an old concept with a new twist I guess. I don't know much about it, but I remember reading articles about the same concept, and how artist pretty much are scammed by the record label. Thank goodness the general public is finally realizing this reality (this is not counting the MARIAH CAREY fiasco, where she basically made $49 million for recording one flopped album for VIRGIN) I remember JANE SIBERRY making mention of sending money into the SWEET RELIEF fund to alleviate any guilt one had from downloading from NAPSTER. I think this was before FAIRTUNES was created. I remember reading an article three years ago in SPIN about how artists should switch to a patron system where the fans would pay into an account. And once a fixed amount was reached the artist would released the album. The example was that if TORI were to record an album, then she would open a bank account. Fans were to donate money - up to whatever TORI decided she wanted to set, say $10,000 (not a huge figure if you think about it, say 2000 fans donated $5) and then once that figure has been hit, TORI releases the album to the public for free distribution. The songs have been payed for, so now they are available for everyone. A twist on the whole patron/artist concept. More popular artist could decide on a higher figure, while smaller artists could decided on a smaller fee. The more prolific the artist, the more money they make. I have no problems with any of this, including FAIRTUNES, and support the idea of it and of artists getting their fair share of money. My only issue, is the development of NEW talent. I feel there is no real system nowadays that allows for the development of new musical talent. In a recording label world, if the artist doesn't "perform" ie sell enough records, she/he gets dropped. The idea of actually fostering talent, but letting them release a few albums to build up momentum, or heaven forbid, sign them and let them develop BEFORE recording an album is completely unknown. What happened with KATE BUSH back when she was signed and given money to develop her talent for a few years before recording an album is unheard of and probably would never happen in today's world. The only recently signed artist that I can think of that had any development before releasing an album is ALICIA KEYS. And I feel like she's a bit of a fluke, with her taken under the wing of CLIVE DAVIS, and shuffled around with record labels, as the record labels were shuffled around. It was timing more than anything else that allowed her to develop. She's constantly being cited as the one artist who actually was given a chance to develop and she's one of the top selling artist of 2001 and one that probably has a chance to actually sustain a long term career. Though the patron system seem interesting in theory, I don't see how it would work in practice. The distribution of mp3's are one thing, but for fans who don9t have a computer, or who don't have a CD burner and want a CD this would problematic as to the distribution of the music. As much as I like my MP3's I prefer the whole package, music, pictures, liner notes and everything else. And again there is the artist development problem who is willing to actually donate money to someone that they have never heard of? Anyway sorry. Didn't mean to ramble. Welcome back JESSICA. irvin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:14:06 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Jessica / Cyo, Krystov, and the new SF Blind / Joseph Hello Everyone, I am coming out of de-lurk mode to also say "welcome back Jessica!". I have been a member of the Fuzzy Blue community for over three years now. When I first joined the list I went back and read about a year or so of the archives to get a flavor of the origins of this wonderful place known as Ecto. Jessica was a key member of the fledgling Ecto community which has grown and changed over the years. It seems to me that the original essence and spirit of those early days still remains today. Thanks for being one of the founding members Jessica! It was really great to finally meet Joseph. I wish I had been paying more attention. I would have liked to have seen one of his performances. Unfortunately I can't see him tonight due to other plans. I was wearing the Ectofest 1999 t-shirt that Meth and Woj sent to me. That is how Joseph spotted me. We had a very nice conversation. Cyo, Krystov, and the rest of the new SF version of the Blind put on a really good show last night in Berkeley at the Starry Plough, an Irish pub that primarily hosts traditional Celtic music. In fact they were opening for Tempest, a well known Celtic rock band that got there start at the Starry Plough. Cyo's new band includes a very dynamic and versatile musician, Kungha, who played an electric 8-string (I believe) cello/stand-up bass, fretless bass guitar, and lute. He stands probably about 6' 4" tall and is of muscular build with long blond hair. He looks like someone from a sword and sorcery movie. His musicianship was suburb. He used his instruments in both a percussive and harmonic/chordal way. Kungha and new multi-percussionist, Roland, have added a very strong musical and visual strength to the Blind. Anyone who has seen Cyo live knows the presence she commands on stage. Krystov also has a strong stage presence. This set of four musicians together were really enjoyable to watch. However, it's their music that really captures you. All of the arrangements of the Blind songs are really stripped down in this incarnation. Most of the songs are very percussive and essential. They bring out Cyo's voice to the forefront even more than ever before. The interaction of the Kungha's bass playing and Cyo's singing reminded me a lot of Pipa and Daniel. Then with Roland's inventive percussion and Krystov's trademark and beautiful digeridoo playing it brought a new vibe to many of the Blind songs. They ended the set with "Walking in a Whirlwind". They did an especially haunting version of the song. The spare rhythms were pulsing underneath while Cyo used her DDL echo effects to multi-layer background vocals for her to sing over. I realize that I am a bit effusive in my praise of Cyo's performances. I just really feel that she does some very creative music, is a wonderful performer, and always plays with excellent musicians. Well back to lurkdom. Work has been taking it out of me lately. I have been following all of the Ecto threads. Thank you to everyone who keeps this list alive and vibrant. With affection, Bill M. n.p. - Louisa John-Krol - "Salamander" from Ariel - This is a brilliant CD! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:37:57 -0500 From: hooligan Subject: Re: download software here ya go, fellow Mac users... http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6236 on 2/2/02 4:09 PM, Neile Graham at neile@sff.net wrote: > Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: > >> Download "Satellite"...set it up, and run it, then search for files on >> audiogalaxy.com, and download them. Everytime you go online Satellite will >> begin downloading everything you told it to download the last time you were >> online...if it didn't get the chance to finish...my success rate has been >> wonderful on a 56k modem...And audiogalaxy has a lot of hard to find and >> fairly unknown bands... > > > And isn't available for the Mac. > > > --neile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:01:57 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: NAPSTER / FAIRTUNES On Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:24:30 -0800 irvin lin wrote: > (LIMESHARE is a PC > program that was ported over for MAC, and tends to be slow and freeze, If you mean Limewire, as a Java app it was by default very slow and flaky (have I ever mentioned how much I detest Java? :) but both the program and Apple's implementation of Java keep improving and once Limewire got to version 1.7 and up, it became useable. You do need to keep your Java versions up to date in order to run it, but that's a good idea anyway... My old Mac (beige G3 with 96Mb of RAM) is by now very, very far from the cutting edge, but it still copes with Limewire without problems. > I hear the KAZAA/MORPHEUS/AUDIO GALAXY is the best one yet, I believe Kazaa became the next target of RIAA and it either shut down or is on the verge of doing so... > I've also noticed that with the new P2P programs, I can rarely find > the songs that I want. That is true, and at least part of the blame lies in fragmentation of the scene. It used to be everyone with files to share was on Napster but now they might be using any one of many networks. Besides, without a central server you never have access to the entire pool of even that one network you're connected to; such is the price to pay for complete decentralisation. > I remember reading an article three years ago in SPIN about how artists > should switch to a patron system Aye, the should. I wish they would! I'd happily participate in such a scheme, or for that matter in any other scheme that renders record companies unnecessary! I see no downside to a patron ssytem; even the fact it does make it somewhat difficult for the new acts to build patronage might be a blessing in disguise - it forces the aspiring acts to build their audiences the old fashioned way, by a lot of hard work and performing live - sure it's tough but it's good for them and for the scene in the long run. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- "All I know is that I'm being sued for unfair business practices by Microsoft. Hello pot? It's kettle on line two..." - Michael Robertson, founder of Lindows - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #34 *************************