From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #303 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 24 2001 Volume 07 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Recording LPs on CDs [Daniel ] Susan Werner & Ellis Paul [Eek the Cat ] RE: Recording LPs on CDs [Phil Hudson ] Re: Recording LPs on CDs ["Jim Salih" ] Outloud Dreamer [CptBryant@aol.com] Missy Higgins [Jessweiser24@aol.com] Eudora and other alternatives to Outlook ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: today's new releases [James Gurley ] Re: today's new releases [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Eudora and other alternatives to Outlook ["Russ Van Rooy" Subject: Recording LPs on CDs I have a couple of LPs which I would like to have recorded on CDs. A search turned up: http://www.lp2cd.com/index.html Does anyone here have experience with them? What I'd really like is to have the work done locally. Does anyone here know of such a place in the SF Bay area? Thanks, Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:16:03 +1300 From: Eek the Cat Subject: Susan Werner & Ellis Paul This is a little belated, as the concerts were at the very tail end of my visit to the northern hemisphere, and rushing around trying to do last minute things, and panicking about packing a fairly frightening number of new CDs and DVDs into the available bags (which I thankfully had help with (packing that is; not panicking)) rather took precendence over writing to the list! So... I had the pleasure of seeing Susan Werner and Ellis Paul (double-bill) play twice before I left -- first with Sherlyn in Portland OR on Friday the 12th, and then two nights later back in Seattle WA with Damon as well, and also Marisa Wood who we met at the show. I'd only heard Susan's "Time Before Trains" prior to my travels, and hadn't quite gotten into it, but I'd listened to (and liked) "Last of the Good Straight Girls" at Damon's, and was very much looking forward to seeing her play -- talking to Sherlyn about Susan does that to you :) Simply put, Susan is fantastic. You definitely want to go see her if you can. She played guitar for some songs, and piano for others, both superbly. I hadn't realised she played piano at all (I really didn't pay enough attention to the CDs!) so that came as an extremely pleasent surprise! She's also one of the most expressive performers I've seen... whether adding extra personality to the songs, or simply getting into the music she's playing, her ever-changing expressions made her very enjoyable to watch as well as listen to :) She played several songs from the new album, and a bunch at the piano from her apparently continually expanding "romantic cycle" of songs (she added a brand new one at the Seattle gig) that I desperately want her to record and release. She had generally funny quips and stories to tell between songs, and a somewhat 'wired' personality (which had been enhanced by chocolate coffee beans on the second occasion... :) and she was basically lots of fun. I'd picked up "New Non Fiction" (the new album), "Last of the Good Straight Girls", and "Live at Tin Angel" before the first show, and went back to get the one I'd left ("Midwestern Saturday Night") once the show was over :) I highly *highly* recommend seeing Susan play if you you get the chance!! She really is a superb live performer! Sharing the bill with Susan was Ellis Paul, who I'd never heard of. Like many of you I simply don't listen to very many male singers -- male voices typically just don't do much for me. I was consequently surprised (again, pleasently!) by just how much I liked Ellis' singing. Admittedly he has a rather unusal voice and can hit some impressively high notes. Susan joined him for a few songs near the start of his set, and they played their encores together as well. (Apparently at least one crowd got to see Susan play along with Ellis' entire set, which must have been brilliant! I was sorry we didn't see that...) He impressed me from his first song, and I ended up buying three of his CDs after the show (making for a grand total of seven albums from that first concert :) Ellis is definitely one of the most ecto-friendly male singers I've heard, and I'd very happily go and see him play again if I had the chance. He'd probably appeal the most to the folk-music fans (whereas I think Susan's music (especially live) has more cross-genre appeal, despite also generally being filed under folk) I thought that the two of them made for a wonderful double-bill -- I'm quite sure that many fans of each one get to discover and like the other everywhere they've played on this tour. (And given the rather dire opening act at the Kristen Hersh concert that we saw between the Susan & Ellis shows, this was even more appreciated!) In short, both concerts were wonderful! Definitely go see Susan if you can, and I think lots of you would really like Ellis as well. Obligatory URLs: http://www.susanwerner.com/ http://www.ellispaul.com/ http://bluecalabash.com.au/sw/index.cfm (The latter being Sherlyn's SW lyric archive -- some of the 'unreleased' ones are now on the new album, but even so -- the woman has songs coming out of her ears...) - -fil np. "Time Between Trains" (for the first time since leaving, and finding I'm liking it a lot! :) nr. "Let There Be Lite" by Rupert Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:14:25 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Recording LPs on CDs Looking at their price list, which starts at $21.95 and grows to $33 if you want the whole package, I would consider buying a CD burner and a decent PV audio interface, and doing it myself. The software needed to improve the existing quality of a vinyl disc ( basic noise reduction and pop filtering) is readily available and inexpensive. If you plan on doing more than 10 albums, you're near to the break-point on entry-level costs. http://www.lp2cd.com/how.htm explains in detail how they do it, making it sound rather more elaborate and hands-on than I would suspect it actually is. See the little spiel about how they master " this is the same process that is billed at a much higher rate for commercial releases", etc. The record was already mastered once; this type of CD mastering is largely an automated process, even if the guy DOES have a Ph.D. ( = Piled Higher and Deeper where I grew up :), and I would suspect that they have a bunch of configuration setups for different styles of music and qualities of disc, which then require minimal tweaking. After all, the whole process will take over an hour, and dammit Jim, this guy is a Doctor, not a laborer! This is not to dismiss what these folk do for a living, I'm sure that the quality of their product will have some superiority to that of a home brew, the question is, will that difference be significantly detectable, or warranted, given the cost differential? That said, perhaps we could hear from someone in the group who has actual experience in these things, as opposed to my theoretical rantings :) Phil From: Daniel [mailto:iamnoti@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:49 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Recording LPs on CDs I have a couple of LPs which I would like to have recorded on CDs. A search turned up: http://www.lp2cd.com/index.html Does anyone here have experience with them? What I'd really like is to have the work done locally. Does anyone here know of such a place in the SF Bay area? Thanks, Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:15:45 -0500 From: "Jim Salih" Subject: Re: Recording LPs on CDs Daniel, Here is a list of possible sources of info.These are from a file I made a while back when I was considering the same subject. All of the URL's are current. I have never done business with any of these folks, or used any of their products.Hope this is of some help. Jim http://www.dartpro.com/New.asp http://www.tinfoil.com/ http://www.diamondcut.com/ http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~abcomp/lp-cdr.htm#clean_noise - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:49 AM Subject: Recording LPs on CDs > I have a couple of LPs which I would like to have recorded on CDs. A > search turned up: > http://www.lp2cd.com/index.html > Does anyone here have experience with them? What I'd really like is to > have the work done locally. Does anyone here know of such a place in the > SF Bay area? > > Thanks, > > Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:41:15 EDT From: CptBryant@aol.com Subject: Outloud Dreamer Dear Friends, You all know Carl Adami (he has played bass with me for years)....Well, you may or may not know that he has a new CD out. His project is called Outloud Dreamer. They are playing at the Bitter End in NYC on October 28th at 9pm. I'm going to try to attend myself, but I felt like I wanted you all to know about it, since it is a very Ectophilic sound. The Bitter End is on Bleecker St. They'd love to see you there. Incidentally, their album is very cool. I'll be in touch soon...... HR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:47:20 EDT From: Jessweiser24@aol.com Subject: Missy Higgins Awhile back there was a lot of talk about Missy and her song "All for believing" (which is sort of Sarah Slean-esque) on this list, but no one seemed to know much about her. I have some news now from a very reliable A&R source... Apparently she's signed to Eleven/EMI in Australia and US labels are seriously pursuing her... and she isn't going into the studio until 2002 because she's going traveling in Europe. :) Jess www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:27:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Eudora and other alternatives to Outlook My secondhand computer came loaded with both Outlook Express and Netscape Messenger. Naturally I am partial to the latter; anything to support an alternative to the Microsoft monopoly. But apart from that, I find Messenger to be a very good, user-friendly program. And best of all, they throw in a web browser absolutely free :-), giving you an alternative to one more aspect of the Gatesian juggernaut. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:27:55 -0400 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: today's new releases The Cranberries' _Wake Up and Smell the Coffee_, Halou's _Wiser_, and Hope Sandoval's _Bavarian Fruit Bread_ all came out today. Any thoughts here? I haven't heard (or heard about) any of them. JoAnn np: Rough Guide to Tango ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: James Gurley Subject: Re: today's new releases I'll vouche for Halou's _Wiser_. Neile Graham and I are going to see them in Seattle tomorrow (Wednesday) night. Halou hails from S.F. and had an earlier disk on Bedazzled Records. They're kinda in the same sphere as Portisthead and Lamb. Guy treats and plays instruments and the gal sings. They are a husband and wife team too. I recommend you check out their web site www.halou.com for sound samples. Fun stuff. - --Jim On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > The Cranberries' _Wake Up and Smell the Coffee_, Halou's _Wiser_, and Hope > Sandoval's _Bavarian Fruit Bread_ all came out today. Any thoughts here? > I haven't heard (or heard about) any of them. > > JoAnn > np: Rough Guide to Tango ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:55:51 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: today's new releases On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 11:27:55PM -0400, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > The Cranberries' _Wake Up and Smell the Coffee_, Halou's _Wiser_, and Hope > Sandoval's _Bavarian Fruit Bread_ all came out today. Any thoughts here? > I haven't heard (or heard about) any of them. Dunno about them, but one that I've been drooling for has reportedly appeared (though not here in this imitation of a town where Wherehouse Music is the best weak approximation of a CD store): Miles Davis's "The Complete In A Silent Way Sessions". I also hear that Trey Gunn's new live CD is out, with participation by one Happy Rhodes (in the unusual role of cameraperson for some of the QuickTime footage in the CD-ROM section). - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:34:26 -0700 From: "Russ Van Rooy" Subject: Re: Eudora and other alternatives to Outlook If Microsoft is a monopoly - and many say that it is - why then do you have a choice to not use MS software, in this case Outlook Express ? I admit that I do like the darkside's software better than the alternatives. I really don't want to add gasoline to the fire so I won't respond to any other messages in this thread but I really tire of the " I hate Microsoft" mentality. Outlook Express works great for me. I've used Eudora before as well as Pegasus but Outlook Express has 'em beat in my op. - -Russ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: Eudora and other alternatives to Outlook > My secondhand computer came loaded with both Outlook Express and Netscape > Messenger. Naturally I am partial to the latter; anything to support an > alternative to the Microsoft monopoly. But apart from that, I find > Messenger to be a very good, user-friendly program. And best of all, they > throw in a web browser absolutely free :-), giving you an alternative to > one more aspect of the Gatesian juggernaut. > > Mitch ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #303 **************************