From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #221 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 07 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits......please don't buy it [Ellen Rawson <] Ambeon [anna maria "stjärnell" ] RE: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes [Phil Hudson ] Re: Ecto, Boquillas, Cloning Javier ["Russ Van Rooy" ] Re: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes ["Xenu's Sister" ] RE: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Land of the Trees [steve ] Re: donna de lory [dave ] [none] ["Lyle Howard" ] Re: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes [Billi Mazur ] Re: Cloning Happy Rhodes [Andrew Fries ] Vasen [Sue Trowbridge ] Bass on Ecto ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: The Butcher Of Canton, Macy Gray [Neal Copperman ] Re: Vasen [Neal Copperman ] Willy Wonka travesty ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits......please don't buy it Not on subject with the CD, but I thought I'd mention that Over the Rhine will be opening for Cowboy Junkies on their upcoming UK tour. I need to check out all the dates since I may be out of the country when they're in London. Good combination of groups, however! ===== "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 02:28:26 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Ambeon Hi.. Has anyone else heard Ambeon's fate of a dreamer? Ist a stunning prog album maybe by Arjen from Ayeron and a fourteen year old singer called Astrid. You wouldnt know her age from her mature voice. The album has a celtic feel to it that I love. Anna Maria np-Ivy-apartment life Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:44:42 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes >>> Did anyone do twin guitars as well as Lizzy (okay, the Allman Brothers)? Yes. ( that's an affirmation, not the band !) Wishbone Ash and Blossom Toes both had excellent twin lead players who went beyond the standard 8-beat harmony riff into more orchestrated twin lead solos. An obscure British Prog Rock band called Stuff Central took these influences further and incorporated twin lead guitars with synth leads on extremely complex and lengthy ensemble triple leads. $0.02 Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:03:21 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 09:44:42AM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > >>> Did anyone do twin guitars as well as Lizzy (okay, the > Allman Brothers)? > > Yes. ( that's an affirmation, not the band !) > > Wishbone Ash and Blossom Toes both had excellent twin lead players who went > beyond the standard 8-beat harmony riff into more orchestrated twin lead > solos. I understand that the material being unveiled on the current King Crimson tour, prior to being recorded for an upcoming album, "Nuovo Metal", is leaning somewhat more toward the orchestrated coordinated riffage. But the triple-power string section of Fripp, Gunn, and Belew have always done incredible intertwinings. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:03:53 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: RE: Ecto, Boquillas, Cloning Javier > Did anyone do twin guitars as well as Lizzy (okay, the > Allman Brothers)? Judas Priest Az Iz The Soft Boys gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:05:03 -0700 From: "Russ Van Rooy" Subject: Re: Ecto, Boquillas, Cloning Javier Stills and Young, Buffalo Springfield, CSNY Verlaine and Lloyd, Television dual leads I guess rather than twin leads. Oh and Thin Lizzy rulz ! The Cowboy Song ! - -Russ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "GSS" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: RE: Ecto, Boquillas, Cloning Javier > > Did anyone do twin guitars as well as Lizzy (okay, the > > Allman Brothers)? > > Judas Priest > Az Iz > The Soft Boys > > gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes - --- Lyle Howard wrote, in a truly wonderful post: > Greetings, > > I was listening to _Ecto_ today at work and > decided the bass playing on several cuts is > very good. _Ecto_ had fallen behind my > nightstand, so I haven't heard it more than > once since I bought it a couple of months ago. I'd say some stuff about one of the most wonderful albums in the universe being comforted by dustbunnies and spiders (Happy would like that) if I weren't so shocked. You must listen to it many many many more times to atone. > Does anyone know if that is Kevin B. > playing bass, Happy R., or someone > else? I'm not a Happy musicologist, but I've always understood that Happy is 100% alone on that album (as also with Rhodes I, Rhodes II and Rearmament). There are no extra musicians. I of course could be wrong on this one, but I don't think there's any bass guitar on that album either. I'm more than willing to be corrected but she had a guitar, and she had some keyboard; judging from a photo I have of her sitting in front of them, a Juno 106, a Yamaha DX-7, a Mini Moog (I believe), and I can't tell what else. Any bass sounds were almost certainly made by one of the keyboards. Happy clones...that's great!! Vickie Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:07:54 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Cloning Happy Rhodes Vickie said: Happy clones...that's great!! I have some questions about that: If 12 Happys each put out 12 albums, would that be gross commercialism? (sorry!) Would they all be identical pressings? Could we legally clone the money to pay for them all? Would "HR2" be a clone's name or the title of the original artist's album? And what if one Happy took a shower and another one suddenly got inexplicably clean? The possibilities of confusion are endless. Not that I would complain :) What about a three-headed Happy who could accompany herself on vocals? Phil Who has forgotten to take his medication again. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:59:45 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes One of my favorite twin guitar bands is Crack the Sky, especially with their original guitarists. If you can find a copy of the 1978 Live Sky album, check out the track Surf City... wow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:12:57 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: The Butcher Of Canton, Macy Gray Warning! Warning! Mike's Big Pet Peeve Alert! Did anyone here see that horribly despicable performance by Macy Gray last night on TV? I wish I had seen it, but I DID hear it on the radio today. I was simply appalled. For those that do not yet kow (trust me, she'll be getting grilled and broiled for it the next few days in some circles), she turned in perhaps the worst ever performance of the US national anthem prior to last night's Monday Night Football/Hall Of Fame game. (she got a good round of boos too) She showed absolutely ZERO respect for the song and what it means, giving this (and I use the term loosely) "interpretation" that made me glad I resisted buying her CD last year. (OK, maybe Rosanne's performance was worse....hard to gauge it when hearing this debacle by Macy is still fresh in my memory) It was bad enough she totally butchered the closing line "Oh say can you see that banner yet wave" , not to mention I SWEAR she said "...the land of the trees" and not the "...land of the free", and you could hardly make out any of the words, but the stupid drumming throughout drove me nuts. I just wish someone of high enough importance in the music world would speak up and tell these clowns that it is a song that is NOT up for improvisational nor interpretational performances that shows off their individual style & talent. In case Macy is reading ;-) Sing the damn song with the honor and reverence it deserves. It's the national anthem for Pete's sake. And REHEARSE!!! Learn the words too while you are at it!!! You likely earned bucks for this fiasco, put some REAL work into it instead of giving us "an interpretation". (and a lousy one at that) Mike the angry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:37:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Land of the Trees On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 08:12 PM, Mike Connell wrote: > I just wish someone of high enough importance in the music world would > speak up and tell these clowns that it is a song that is NOT up for > improvisational nor interpretational performances that shows off their > individual style & talent. Land of the Trees sounds nice, so...friendly. Maybe it's time to freshen up our creaky old national anthem, or replace it with Louie, Louie. - - Steve __________ You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test. - George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 23:10:26 -0400 From: dave Subject: Re: donna de lory Speaking of Donna De Lory... last I heard bassist Mark Gorman of the Mary Arden Collins Band was touring with Donna, and Cameron Stone, who has been in Donna's band, is producing a couple of the songs for Mary's next album, which will hopefully be out sometime soon.. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:25:30 From: "Lyle Howard" Subject: [none] Buenos Noches, Okay, I get the digest version of Ecto so there is no telling what stupid things I will say without knowing what was posted today and tonight. Phil H. and Joseph Z. pointed out other bands that do excellent multi-guitar interaction. I have vague but fond memories of Wishbone Ash. I have wanted to hear King Crimson ever since I read an interview with their drummer in a Roland Users Group magazine. And Trey Gunns diaries are also enticements to see the band. For some reason prog rock slipped right past me. Probably has something to do with the AM stations I listened to as a kid. The emphasis has always been on the three minute pop song in popular radio. The FM stations in Oklahoma were mostly easy listening stations, though I managed to get a bit of jazz and some broadway musicals out of them. Somehow or another, the kids in high school managed to get ahold of King Crimson. Where they ever got the idea, I dont know. Certainly not from listening to AM stations beamed from Wichita Falls. When I finally got near Oklahoma City, the underground FM station movement was just getting started (circa 1971), at least in Oklahoma. Even then, three minutes was the norm for a song. (I did get to hear Stevie Wonders glorious 70s records and Judee Sill on OKC radio.) I have good memories of sitting in the chapel at my college while Yess I've Seen All Good People blasted on the sound system. Must have been before a concert. When I moved to the Dallas Fort Worth area, progressive FM stations were still playing three minute songs. Except for Freebird. Yes, I did play Freebird on my one and only stint as a dj at KNTU. Im so embarrassed. So, I missed prog rock. I guess its time to get back to it. I made a start by picking up _Yes Years_ a while back. Jazz and ambient/trance have prepared me for the five and six minute length. But I will never be comfortable with a drum solo of more than 1 minute. In case Kevin Barlett didnt post this here today, he dropped me a line and said Happy is playing everything on Ecto. (She is playing Kevins Rickenbacker bass, thus the chunky, woody sound of the bass.) That is certainly flabbergasting. I havent been suitably awed by Happy until reading KBs E-mail. Let the worshipping begin (not to mention the cloning). Kevin aint so bad hisself. Bye, Lyle w.p. _Girl_ Tiny Tim and Brave Combo. Tiny Tim's version of "Stairway to Heaven" gives needed majesty to Robert Plant's silly lyrics. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:43:42 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: Ecto, Oklahoma, Cloning Happy Rhodes Phil Hudson wrote: > > An obscure British Prog Rock band called Stuff Central took these influences > further and incorporated twin lead guitars with synth leads on extremely > complex and lengthy ensemble triple leads. My dear fellow Ectophiles, Phil is being a little modest and humble here by not mentioning that Stuff Central was the band that he fronted in the UK during the early to mid 70s. Phil was one of the lead guitarists and the band's lead singer. They gained a fair amount of acclaim throughout the UK opening for a number of the major bands of the time such as Traffic. If I'm not mistaken, they were also written up in Melody Maker at one point. Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:46:14 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Cloning Happy Rhodes on 7/8/01 lyle_howard@hotmail.com wrote: >I think it's time we set up the Happy Forever Foundation. Its mission will >be to supply the world with a perpetual line of Happys through cloning. I doubt it would work.. Actually I find the idea of cloning neither especially fascinating nor philosophically interesting, because it seems clear a clone is not the original in any meaningful way but merely another person sharing the same genetic material. Nature manages that already in cases of identical twins, and what's the big deal? Even without dragging the soul or karma into this, we are a product of our education and life experience far more than merely our genes... a clone of Happy might well posess her vocal cords but lack the inspiration, talent, or desire to make music. In fact I bet it wouldn't take long for one of the clones to rebel against her pre-ordained path and chose to become an accountant instead. Or worse yet, we might create an Evil Happy signing with Sony and going on to become the next Mariah Carey... No, some things are best not messed with. (It gets far more interesting when it comes to *replicating* atom by atom. All sorts of paradoxes and confusing issues rear their ugly heads... But it's a pretty safe bet this is one technology we won't have to deal with in our lifetimes, and frankly, I find that comforting.) Maybe there is a better way of creating Perpetual Happy: controlled reincarnation - after all, isn't that what the Tibetan Lamas claim to do? Maybe we need to set up a fundation to send her for a couple of years of training in Tibet? I'd say it would be far cheaper than going the hi-tech way. And then I'd volunteer for the position of Administrator because I always wanted to learn how to chose my next existence. Of course once I did, I'd immediately get the hell out of here... wow, I think I just put my finger on why I'm not a Lama! - ---------------------------------------------------- 'Those who would give up liberty in the interest of security deserve, and will have, neither.' --Benjamin Franklin - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Vasen I know there are some fans here of Vasen (please picture an umlaut above the "a"). They are going to be playing here (in the SF Bay Area) in late Sept., a fact I mentioned to my dad. He said they were actually American musicians of Swedish descent. I thought they were Swedes living in Sweden. I searched the web for an answer, but wasn't able to find a definitive bio (it *does* appear that they studied music in Sweden, in any case). I'm going to go to the concert regardless, but I'm curious -- are they Swedes, or Americans? - --Sue Trowbridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Bass on Ecto - --- Lyle Howard wrote: > In case Kevin Barlett didn't post this here > today, he dropped me a line and said Happy > is playing everything on Ecto. (She is > playing Kevin's Rickenbacker bass, thus the > chunky, woody sound of the bass.) Ah, ok! I didn't know that. Forget what I said (when you get the digest)about there being no bass on Ecto. I'm glad to be corrected. > That is certainly flabbergasting. I haven't > been suitably awed by Happy until reading KB's > E-mail. I forgive you . (But your "punishment" still stands!) > Let the worshipping begin ...or continue! >(not to mention the cloning). That was so funny to me because we had just watched The 6th Day (a not-too-bad Ahnold flick about cloning). > Kevin ain't so bad hisself. Very, very true! V. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:37:53 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: The Butcher Of Canton, Macy Gray At 9:12 PM -0400 8/7/01, Mike Connell wrote: >It was bad enough she totally butchered the closing line "Oh say can >you see that banner yet wave" , not to mention I SWEAR she said >"...the land of the trees" and not the "...land of the free", and >you could hardly make out any of the words, but the stupid drumming >throughout drove me nuts. You know, that sounds just like how Cyoakha would cover the song :) The land of the trees where our art was born. neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:35:53 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Vasen I don't have a conclusive answer to this, but I think your dad is wrong on this one. Here's what I'm basing this on... I've seen Vasen perform. The leader of Vasen is nyckelharpa player Olov Johansson. He introduces the songs and tells stories about them during the show. He speaks in very heavily accented English, and does not appear all that comfortable with the language. I spoke with the drummer, who also had a strong accent. There is nothing definitive in their two US released albums (Spirit and Whirled). However, Spirit compiles songs from Vasen's first 6 years. Almost all of the original recordings are credited to Swedish releases, apparently available via http://www.drone.se (I have not checked out this web site.) Enjoy the show. They are a lot of fun to see perform. neal np: fourth floor - sonya heller At 12:14 AM -0400 8/8/01, Sue Trowbridge wrote: >I know there are some fans here of Vasen (please picture an umlaut above >the "a"). They are going to be playing here (in the SF Bay Area) in late >Sept., a fact I mentioned to my dad. He said they were actually American >musicians of Swedish descent. I thought they were Swedes living in Sweden. >I searched the web for an answer, but wasn't able to find a definitive bio >(it *does* appear that they studied music in Sweden, in any case). I'm >going to go to the concert regardless, but I'm curious -- are they Swedes, >or Americans? > >--Sue Trowbridge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Willy Wonka travesty Sorry, but I must cry on someone's shoulder. If you were considering buying the upcoming Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory DVD, please reconsider, at least temporarily. Warners has confirmed that the DVD is going to be available in FULL SCREEN ONLY! For months, the DVD has been advertised as having both anamorphic widescreen and full screen, which is the way it should be. Buyers should be given the choice, but now that choice been taken away from those of us who prefer widescreen. Ok, so there are more important things in the world to be upset about, but I want to see movies in their original aspect ratio, especially one as full of visual goodies as Willy Wonka. I won't be buying it, and I was really looking forward to it. Boo Hoo. V Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #221 **************************