From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #99 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 07 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Abby Travis at the Iota Club last night. [Craig Gidney ] Re: cry cry cry future? [Troy J Shadbolt ] Re: East coast comes to California [dmw ] Re: cry cry cry future? [Neal Copperman ] Re: East coast comes to California [Neal Copperman ] Re: East coast comes to California [Sue Trowbridge ] helen chaya ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... [Phil Hudson ] RE: helen chaya ["Emily Perkins" ] RE: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... [Phil Hudson ] Nick somebody [tenthvictim@mindspring.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Brion McIntosh (filmcut@westworld.com) ****************** ***************** Marcel Kshensky (mundopax@ingress.com) ****************** *********************** Bill Mazur (wpm@value.net) ************************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Abby Travis at the Iota Club last night. Set List: So Far Away Hangover Flower My Funny Valentine The Hate Song Sometimes I Wish I Had A Gun Sunday Is The Day For Love Everything's Wonderful Bottom Of The Sea Monster Abby Travis was quite a sight. She was dressed in a hybrid costume. The top part of her outfit was bright red bordello bustier. A showgirl's skirt of black tassels covered her thighs, fishnet stockings her legs. A knit red cap with devil horns completed her ensemble. Thrift store goth? Bargain basement flapper? Her outfit was made even more incongruous by the large bass guitar she occasionally hauled out. Travis had a terrific stage presence--a goofy update of a cabaret chanteuse, complete with dramatic hand-sweeps, vamping and shimmying. She would balance on her toes like a ballerina and pirouette across the stage. It was perfect for the material--Travis is a session bass player (Beck was one of her more high-profile gigs) who's moved into doing her own material. Strong in irony, tongue firmly planted in cheek, her stuff encompasses Doris Day pop ("Sunday"), torch songs, 20s jazz numbers and straight ahead rock. Most of her songs have clever and witty lyrics. She's like the bastard child of Ute Lemper and Nick Cave. Her rich alto was accompanied by a very good pianist (unnamed) and her own bass-playing. On the more orchestrated songs, she played a backing track on cd, a makeshift karaoke. The show was marred by bar-talkers and the mumblings of a madman sitting near me. She won the audience over with a rousing version of "Sometimes I Wish I Had A Gun," a song written by queer rocker Brian Grillo, and the humorous "Monster." Travis is on tour with Candy Kane, a wonderful white blues-singer. She's like Mae West--a zaftig, sex positive belter. Travis's new cd is "Cutthroat Standards and Black Pop." http://www.abbytravis.com - --Craig ===== Craig L. Gidney http://profiles.yahoo.com/quisquose11 Reviews of books and music, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ethereality Online Journal, Egg-centric http://egg-centric.blogspot.com/ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:21:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: cry cry cry future? Has anyone heard anything on the possibilities of another Cry Cry Cry album? I heard some rumours against it yesterday, and was curious. neal np: over the underpass - helen chaya ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:52:54 -0700 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Re: cry cry cry future? If you check out the Shindell list (also hosted on smoe) it will become painfully apparent that there is little likelyhood of Dar/Lucy/Richard doing anything like that again. Lucy/Richard yes, but Dar seems to have moved "beyond" that whole idea and since it was hers to begin with, that seems to be a definitive answer. So if we can't have Cry-3 who would we want? My vote- Lucy/Richard/Dave & Tracy ! Whose Crying Now?! troy Neal Copperman wrote: > > Has anyone heard anything on the possibilities of another Cry Cry Cry > album? I heard some rumours against it yesterday, and was curious. > > neal > > np: over the underpass - helen chaya ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: East coast comes to California On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Phil Hudson wrote: > Leni Stein is a NYC performer (with whom I'm also unfamiliar), who plays the > cafe on Tuesday May 1. Assuming you mean Leni SteRn, which seems likely, she's got a record called "Black Guitar" of which I'm quite fond (and a lot of other records I haven't heard). She's a *really* good guitar player <- not hyperbole. I suspect if she weren't female she might be almost as well known in guitar circles as Scofield, Abercrombie, Methany and that ilk. On Black Guitar she sings in addition to playing interesting guitar, so Joni Mitchell comparisons are inevitable, if misleading. - -- d. np gbv _isolation drills_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:45:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: cry cry cry future? On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Troy J Shadbolt wrote: > If you check out the Shindell list (also hosted on smoe) it will become > painfully apparent that there is little likelyhood of Dar/Lucy/Richard > doing anything like that again. Lucy/Richard yes, but Dar seems to have > moved "beyond" that whole idea and since it was hers to begin with, that > seems to be a definitive answer. That seems to match up with what I was hearing. The person I talked to had interviewed Dar last year and said she did not want to talk about the future of Cry Cry Cry. > So if we can't have Cry-3 who would we want? My vote- Lucy/Richard/Dave > & Tracy ! Um, wouldn't that be Cry Cry Cry Cry? np: Don't Try THis At Home - Billy Bragg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:49:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: East coast comes to California On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > np gbv _isolation drills_ How is this? The latest incarnation of gbv is in town next week. I haven't heard anything of their's for ages (since pre-Robert Pollard's departure), and was wondering what they were like. I did see one old gbv show at the Black Cat, and it was a lot of fun. (I know, that wasn't guaranteed.) To keep on a somewhat DC related topic... Fugazi is in town on Sunday. I was never able to get into one of their shows in DC. I haven't bought an advance ticket. Wonder if they can sell 800-900 tix in Albuquerque, so that I won't be able to see them yet again. House concert tonight!!! http://www.elenikelakos.com cheers, neal np: Don't Try This At Home - Billy Bragg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: East coast comes to California On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Neal Copperman wrote: > > np gbv _isolation drills_ > > How is this? The latest incarnation of gbv is in town next week. I > haven't heard anything of their's for ages (since pre-Robert Pollard's > departure), and was wondering what they were like. I did see one old gbv > show at the Black Cat, and it was a lot of fun. (I know, that wasn't > guaranteed.) uh, Robert Pollard is the person who founded GBV, and I doubt there would *be* a GBV without him. So, let's be clear -- he's still in the band. :) However, all of the other original band members have departed during the past few years, including Tobin Sprout (maybe that's who you were thinking of, Neal?). I have found GBV to be a pretty inconsistent live act, so I decided to skip their current tour. ISOLATION DRILLS is OK -- it's got some very catchy songs, but I actually prefer their previous CD, DO THE COLLAPSE, despite the fact that Pollard has claimed in interviews that recording it was a nightmarish experience (DTC producer Ric Ocasek instituted a no-drinking-in-the-studio policy, bad news for the beer-swillin' Pollard). - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:14:17 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: helen chaya neal wrote:np: over the underpass - helen chaya i've never heard of helen chaya, but liked the name, both hers and the title. would you tell us a bit about the singer/album? JoAnn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:33:28 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... ....Do you get a message from God? Has anyone tried this? And which particular deity? Just curious Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:48:11 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 01:33:28PM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > ....Do you get a message from God? > > Has anyone tried this? > > And which particular deity? Not a deity, but a blessing by St. Nati Behoc. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:11:50 -0400 From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Subject: Re: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... At 01:33 PM 04/06/2001 -0700, you wrote: > ....Do you get a message from God? > > Has anyone tried this? > > And which particular deity? > > Just curious > > Phil Dear Phil, I won't even play it *forwards* (after the one time I did), it spooks me so much! You mean the scariness of it will be offset if it's played backwards? I don't know if I'm willing to risk it. TOOOOO scary for mice! fleur aka countrymouse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: East coast comes to California On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > I have found GBV to be a pretty inconsistent live act, so I decided to > skip their current tour. ISOLATION DRILLS is OK -- it's got some very > catchy songs, but I actually prefer their previous CD, DO THE COLLAPSE, > despite the fact that Pollard has claimed in interviews that recording it > was a nightmarish experience (DTC producer Ric Ocasek instituted a > no-drinking-in-the-studio policy, bad news for the beer-swillin' Pollard). I hear they're good again live. I'll take the chance -- after two years, that guy has got to have learned to play guitar better. I think I like "Isolation" better than "Collapse" but it has a few very unengaging songs. I don't think either of the last two full-lengths are as good as the "Hold On Hope" e.p. or the Robert Pollard/Doug Gilliard-billed _Speak Kindly of Your Volunteer Fire Department_ which were both pretty durn keen. - -- d. np nectar (from angrycoffee.com) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:07:17 -0700 From: "Emily Perkins" Subject: RE: helen chaya I haven't actually heard her music but have always meant to check out one of her performances, since she's a frequent attendant and performer at the Rose Street House of Music in Berkeley, and I've heard great things about her. Her Web page has quite a bit of information, including lyrics and clips: http://www.folkdiva.com/helenchaya/ >--- Original Message --- >From: "JoAnn Whetsell" >To: ecto@smoe.org >Date: 4/6/01 1:14:17 PM > >neal wrote:np: over the underpass - helen chaya >i've never heard of helen chaya, but liked the name, both hers and the >title. would you tell us a bit about the singer/album? JoAnn > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:14:20 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... Yes, Fleur, I was thinking of the old urban myth reports of playing Black Sabbath et al, recordings backwards, to get subliminal satanic messages. The idea of playing "Cohabitants" backwards is that it would not just offset, but likely create the opposite of the forwards message. There is also a rural version where playing country music backwards will result in you getting back your dog, your lover and your pickup truck. Cohabitants IS a rather scary, albeit, IMHO, a very fascinating song and arrangement, and an exquisite metaphysical practical joke, to boot. Some friends who have read the lyric sheet have described it as an invocation, which of course it is not, nonetheless, it's a piece that can raise a lot of energy on the back of one's neck and sundry other places. The arrangement is fabulous, and I got to love the song before I'd had a chance to really scrutinize the lyrics, not that I think it really would have made a difference. But courtesy of the innovative Karen Hester in NZ, who thought up the following exorcise (sorry!), here's how you can listen to the song without getting prickles on the back of your neck: Imagine the song being performed by an entire cast of Muppets. I have tried this on a few friends with a 100% success rate. One cannot really take a malefic entity very seriously when it's visually overlaid with, say, Grover or Bert. Regards Phil NP: The Count: He Vill Kom 4 You NPB (Now playing backwards): Sedohr Yppah: Arf Is A Busy Dog - -----Original Message----- From: Joanna M. Phillips [mailto:fleur@one.net] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:12 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: If you play "Cohabitants" backwards...... At 01:33 PM 04/06/2001 -0700, you wrote: > ....Do you get a message from God? > > Has anyone tried this? > > And which particular deity? > > Just curious > > Phil Dear Phil, I won't even play it *forwards* (after the one time I did), it spooks me so much! You mean the scariness of it will be offset if it's played backwards? I don't know if I'm willing to risk it. TOOOOO scary for mice! fleur aka countrymouse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:17:44 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: East coast comes to California Let me second the affirmation of Leni Stern as a talented and interesting musician. Her style leans towards, but is not exclusively, jazz. You can get her Recollection CD from Harmony Ridge. http://www.hrmusic.com/discos/fafram20.html I first found out about her when she opened for and played with The Nudes on one of their last tours. Although Leni did not actually play at the Nudes gig I attended, they were selling Black Guitar there, so I gave it a try. Good stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:59:34 -0700 From: "Russ Van Rooy" Subject: Re: East coast comes to California GBV is great in concert . I've only seen them once ( Last time they were in Seattle last July I think it was) ,but it was very memorable. Pollard is very gregarious and engages with the audience from the start. The band of course was excellent. I don't know how they managed to play so well because they went through a rack of beer while they were on stage ! Pollard is definitely over the top ! They played almost everything from Do the Collapse . They also covered "Baba O'reilly" . It was awesome ! Those f*&*&ers arn't swinging by Seattle this time - so if they're in your neighborhood go see 'em ! - - Russ BTW - if you like them even a little bit you should get "Do the Collapse" produced by Ric Ocasek . When I first heard them I thought hmmm, a perfect blend of the Beatles, the Who, The Cars, and Devo . - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Copperman" Cc: "ecto" Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: East coast comes to California > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, dmw wrote: > > > np gbv _isolation drills_ > > How is this? The latest incarnation of gbv is in town next week. I > haven't heard anything of their's for ages (since pre-Robert Pollard's > departure), and was wondering what they were like. I did see one old gbv > show at the Black Cat, and it was a lot of fun. (I know, that wasn't > guaranteed.) > > To keep on a somewhat DC related topic... Fugazi is in town on Sunday. > I was never able to get into one of their shows in DC. I haven't bought > an advance ticket. Wonder if they can sell 800-900 tix in Albuquerque, so > that I won't be able to see them yet again. > > House concert tonight!!! http://www.elenikelakos.com > > cheers, > > neal > > np: Don't Try This At Home - Billy Bragg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:17:43 -0500 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Nick somebody Hola, Thanks, Maria S., for letting me know that was Nick Cave I heard on the internet radio the other night. To Neal's question of whether I have heard Nick Cave before, now I have. Otherwise, I remain gloriously ignorant of so many other musicians. Thanks, Neile, for giving me info on Nick Drake. I'm still looking forward to hearing him. I hear tell his music is in use on a Volkswagen commercial, but I am currently being a luddite and won't let the polluted waves of television touch my unsullied retinas (of course I cheat and watch video tapes; I stand accused). I have a friend who loves to use Napster. Maybe I'll make him let me compare Nick Cave and Nick Drake. I think that's it. Lyle n.p. Greg Brown on Hober.com, before that, Kristin Hirsch singing one of my favorite folk tunes, "Pretty Polly." If I keep listening, I'm bound to hear all the guys you people love so much. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #99 *************************