From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #80 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, March 19 2001 Volume 07 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- More on Jabberderivatives ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Peter Hammill in concert ["Adam K." ] IRC #ECTO ["Inigo Op't Roodt" ] Re: Flirting with The Dark (Hannah Fury, Soul Poison) ["Suzanna Otting" <] lyric question ["girl with the curious hair" ] stuff [kerry white ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:37:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: More on Jabberderivatives Three decades ago, there was a cafeteria in the University of Chicago student center called the Bandersnatch--and its icon was indeed frumious, a short, rotund little critter, solid black, with a nose like an animal's tail: long, conical and flexible. I was taking a statistics course at the time, and the way I wrote the lower-case Greek sigma--symbol of the variance and standard deviation, depending on if it is squared, reminded me strongly of that artistic rendition of the bandersnatch. A couple of years later, for a departmental party, I wrote a spoof of Carroll's original, loaded with a variety of sociological terms. I titled it "Parsontalky," in commemoration of the eminent sociological theorist Talcott Parsons, whose abstruse writing style was and is the stuff of legend. The beast to be slain in my version was, unsurprisingly, yclept the Parsontalk. I have a copy packed away somewhere, but it's not easily accessible at present. 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Subject: Peter Hammill in concert Hi -- been out of circulation for a couple of weeks due to a dead computer, but now back and needing to tell everyone: Last night I went to see Peter Hammill in concert at the Queen Elizabeth Hall on the South Bank. Although his recent output has been uneven (his last album, IMHO, being particularly bad) his live shows have always been quite special events. Lst night, however, was even more special. It was, quite honestly, not only the best PH show I've been to, but will probably rate as one of the best concerts I've been to, full stop. Looking even thinner than I've ever remembered, but still full of energy, intensity, and joy, and still possessing the most phenonemal voice in the history of music, he treated us to a comprehensive retrospect of his career, mercifully light on his most recent album (curious, yet refreshing considering this tour, ostensibly, is in support of that album). Switching between piano and acoustic guitar, he was accompanied solely by Stuart Gordon on violin, although for the most part they played as a duet, Hammill relishing the interplay, and giving Gordon his due. I've never been a big fan of Gordon, but last night his contribution was exciting, beautiful, breathtaking, revelatory. While Hammill was (as always) amusing, deprecating and warm in his between-songs "banter", at times he seems possessed by the songs themselves, swallowed up and spat out the other end. I have to admit, I worried for him--- looking terribly frail, some songs obviously left him drained, and the finale of his encore was almost frightening in its intensity. A night to remember, and (for those fans out there) made even more potent by realising that a)David Jackson, his old sax player dating from Van der Graaf days was in the audience and b) Guy Evans, his drummer also from those days, was sitting right next to me. Pretty amazing -- by the end I felt black and blue inside. nr - James Thurber - Alarms and Diversions np - Guy Evans & Peter Hammill - The Union Chapel Concert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:27:35 +0100 From: "Inigo Op't Roodt" Subject: IRC #ECTO Hello, Is there anybody who knows on which server(s) I can find an #ECTO channel? Thanks... np: Mine - Mine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:36:31 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: Flirting with The Dark (Hannah Fury, Soul Poison) What a wonderful recommendation! I am going to buy both Hannah Fury CDs now-- I love the idea of a gothic, darker, different Tori. And of course one artist is not really like another, but it helps to get an idea. Suzanna np: Veda Hille "Spine", which I picked up used this weekend on the strength of ecto recommendation. It's starting to grow on me. On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:16:07 Andrew Fries wrote: >The comment that brought Hannah Fury to my attention stated simply she was a >Goth version of Tori, and I repeat it here, because after all it did the >trick - it lead to me ordering her disks. But I don't think it is very true. >For starters, I don't really think of her as Goth. Gothic, Victorian - >perhaps. As for resemblance to Tori, they are both women playing the piano, >but beyond that, their paths diverge. Tori's songs, those that really matter >are so intensely personal listening to them is much like attending some >ritual sacrifice, blood and guts spilling everywhere. "Soul Poison", on the >other hand, is more like a book of Edgar Allan Poe's tales. It is certainly >honest, but only because it makes no secret that these are tales told >unashamedly for the purpose of evoking that delicious tingling feeling of >fear and wonder running down your spine, not Tori-like public vivisection of >her own psyche. The opener, "The Necklace of Marie Antoinette" is a perfect >example, the tale of planned murder - her attraction to all things dark is >clear, but I doubt the story is autobiographical. > >The next track, "Scars" turns out to be classic "Scarborough Fair", but the >twist soon becomes clear: these are not the words I remember from Simon and >Garfunkel! "Please don't go to Scarborough Fair/violets, roses, thistles and >vines/Remember me, I am still here/He was not a true love of mine" she sings, >but she seems to be saying, somewhat impatiently, "well, get over it >already!" rather than pleading for forgiveness. > >"Idaho" touches on that classic dillema: "and what if I loved you with all of >my heart/and what if my love wasn't good enough?" she asks. It's a good >question and one I can certainly relate to, but she doesn't arrive at any >conclusions either, just leaving me wondering instead while she moves on to >"Eat the Dirt", for another dose of darkness and inner turmoil: "Run from >these hands if you know what's good for you/I can't control the things I >do"... > >And so it went. It is a fine record, I felt those tingles in the right places >and I enjoyed them. But it was the final track, "The Last Piece of Cake" that >suddenly made me doubt my interpretation. It starts as another Gothic tale >flirting with the dark side, story of a mother betrayed by her daughter, but >then the story kind of just stops while she continues..."this makes me want >to believe in heaven and angels... for mothers... and hunchbacks... and >volves/Please let me believe that she's happy... and safe... and warm..." >It was only then it occured to me it is after all possible that despite their >over-the-top Gothic setting that darkness and pain and fear might be all too >uncomfortably real. > >Or maybe not. Who knows? In the end, Hannah remains something of an enigma to >me. But if it's true that a work of art is but a mirror held up to our faces, >I think I flinched just a little at what I saw. > >------------------------------------------------------ >They will do whatever we let them get away with. >-- Joseph Heller >------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:40:57 -0600 From: "girl with the curious hair" Subject: lyric question okay, this has been in my head all day and i can't think of the source. all i can think of "she's a too warm refrigerator" or something like that. any takers? j ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:17:44 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: stuff Hi, we just attempted to plague...er..pledge with Don Maclean Starry, Starry Night and the public stayed away in droves. Anyway, I quiped that Don Maclean now looks like Dick Morris and nobody knew who Dick Morris was, even with clues: Clinton advisor, a hooker, toes, and a tabloid. Too much trivia on my part, I guess. bye, Kerry R White ............................... ............................. zzkwhite@washburn.edu KTWU PBS TV kerrywhite@webtv.net Topeka KS KrW In order to learn from your mistakes, make lots of mistakes. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #80 *************************