From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #26 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, January 25 2001 Volume 07 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- His second test [Jerene Waite ] Re: Emm Gryner/Meghan Toohey [Jessica Byers ] He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. [Ar] AW: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. ["Dirk Kastens" ] Re: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. [Brian Bloom ] RE: His second test [Phil Hudson ] RE: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraft spinach and a diamante sword l obe [Ph] a stupid question [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: Bush passes his first test [Talamasca ] Jane Siberry, upping the anti (someone had to) [Philip David Morgan ] Smooth Jazz ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: Jane Siberry, upping the anti (someone had to) ["Kel Henson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:23:30 -0800 From: Jerene Waite Subject: His second test So, like what do you think of Dubya's taste in music? - --Jerene (ducking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:30:45 -0700 From: Jessica Byers Subject: Re: Emm Gryner/Meghan Toohey hey marla, thanks so much for the link to meghan toohey in your tiara. she looks very cute! and so do the other people (especially tori and kristin hersh). AND i know the lovely girl next to meghan in the picture. you look familiar, too.... i used to live in boston so maybe i saw you at shows... ok people here is the scoop on meg and some of a great review ( i HIGHLY recommend you read all of it online, it has a great twist about how he came across her....). Meghan Toohey just put out two CDs, a live acoustic one called Eight So Low recorded at a Fox Run house concert (was anyone there??) and a more produced rock album called Romantic Blunder #4. This is part of a review from The War Against Silence, a weekly music review column. The complete review is at: http://www.furia.com/twas/ her own website for more info is http://www.meghantoohey.com Meghan Toohey: Romantic Blunder #4 "This is real music. ...and I am telling you now that Meghan is going to be important... Eight So Low is charmed and unprepossessing, but Romantic Blunder #4 (which has studio versions of four of the same songs) is clearly the album on which her future could be based. .....on the way to Suzanne Vega's folk/pop restraint, or perhaps past it to Ani DiFranco's poetic intensity..... There are twinges of Suzanne Vega and Rickie Lee Jones' reticence in Meghan's singing voice, but also hints of Jen Trynin and Tracy Bonham's rock urgency, and theories, maybe, about what Bonnie Raitt gave up to become Eric Clapton, or Melissa Etheridge to become Bryan Adams." I am partial to the acoustic CD, as you may be if you are more of a folk fan. But both CDs are really really good! jess - -- Jessica Byers 23373 Highway 93 North Arlee, MT 59821 web: http://www.geocities.com/amari913 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:03:06 EST From: ArtfulMdrr@aol.com Subject: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. Hallo, everyone! A question, regarding which I'd really like to know your opinions: Is it a "good" thing or a "bad" thing that we constantly speak of new artists in terms of old ones? ( "he or she sounds like him or her with a little bit of him, her, it, and/or a porcupine thrown in for pizazz," etc. ) Also, why is the word "pizazz" so much fun in any medium? The more thoughts that flow into my head from you brilliant people out there, the more enriched I will feel. Thanks, always. - - Katherine nr: _Morrissey and Marr: The Severed Alliance_ by Johnny Rogan np: regularly alternating Bjork's "Gling Glo," some Patsy Cline, and Squarepusher's "Hard Normal Daddy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:39:36 +0100 From: "Dirk Kastens" Subject: AW: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. Katherine, it's easier to get an idea of a new artist if s/he is compaired with other artists. I first heard about Happy on the Kate Bush mailing list where her high voice was described as being similar to KaTe's. So I got interested and ordered Warpaint. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:45:40 +0000 From: runly@hvi.net Subject: Outloud Dreamer Meth is right. I've seen this group several times in the Hudson Valley...they perform quite often. Here's something I wrote on them: (Another great Ecto band coming out of Woodstock is Epiphany Project; amazing stuff...check them out!) Sharon Roll the windows down and drink the sky...Outloud Dreamer doesn't lack words or imagery in their exploration of the lovely, languid, and colorful universe of love and loss. Amongst the heaps of commonplace guitar bands and mediocre pop albums, their latest CD, "Drink The Sky" is a listener's dream, the realization that fresh music still exists. Outloud Dreamer is an invigorating duo--Carl Adami and Sarah Medenbach--and their music is a sweet treat for the ears and soul-- ambient, floaty, pop that cascades waves of warmth and loopy electronic things down the DNA strands. Perhaps they describe it best: "a succession of ideas through sound and movement, flip of a switch, steady circles of hands around the clock, passing cars, passing clouds, passing faces, bodies sleeping, from the sun and the constellations to the cells that compose your bones, birth, death and all that stuff in between, it's a rhythm and a swelling of season, human invention, thought through machine, it's touch connection, once yesterday, once today, once tomorrow, pull and push, crash and grow, it's a dream or it's something else, whatever it is, it is." And whatever it is, it just feels good. Recorded, produced, mixed and mastered by Adami at Rice and Beans Southeast in High Falls, "Drink The Sky" features Adami on bass and electronica, and Medenbach on piano and smooth as silk vocals. It's available at Rhino Records and Jack's Rhythms in New Paltz, Rhythms in Woodstock, and at . Better yet, check out the live show and swallow their glorious tunes like summer wine. For more info, email , or visit their website at . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Emm Gryner/Meghan Toohey Well folks, this mini-tour (the "m and m tour!") is NOT to be missed! Last night's show at Emily's (which was not quite the ideal venue due to tons of people who were there for the bar, not the music - lotsa chatter) was otherwise exquisite. Meg was amazing solo and acoustic (accompanied by a drum machine on some songs) and Emm blew me away. I'd never seen Emm before but now I am very much looking forward to the next Boston area show. Highlights for me: Julia, Pour Some Sugar on Me (I made Emm crack up by throwing the 'horns' at her - but Emm impressed me with her ability to take a coarse 80s rocker and turn it into something beautiful), and a few new songs. Incredible, amazing, wonderful - I can't gush enough about the evening, music-wise. Both artists allow taping by the way - you might want to ask first as I did - so I taped both sets (can't trade either until I both catch up on many many things and put both shows on CD, but I will get back to you all on that) but I also wanted to implore anyone with a tape recorder, minidisc player, dat, whatever, to record each and every show! ;) I hope it's OK to say that too... I know that I was asked to send Meghan a copy of the show I taped, which I have no problem with at all... (Meghan is playing several upcoming shows in Boston without Emm - check out http://www.meghantoohey.com for more info and sound clips and all that good stuff) Oh yes, and Emm did indeed wear my tiara and put up with my babbling about how much I love Toronto. Does anyone in Canada want to sponsor me and my boyfriend so we can move there permanently? I'm almost kidding. That's all from here! Next up, Sarah Harmer at Lillis! marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 01/12/01 - Meghan Toohey!) "Give me action and drama, give me 80s Madonna" - Bis Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:01:27 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. Dang. I was really intrigued by the subject line and was hoping to see who you were talking about! I knew it sounded too good to be true.. :) moo. ObMusic: Favorite Dylan tune - Jokerman. Anyone else know it or like it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:01:30 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush passes his first test In a message dated 1/23/01 7:03:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: > Well, at least we know by now that some of Joe's *musical* opinions > aren't necessarily incoherent... That's ridiculous. What do my musical opinions have to do with my political perspectives? I'm no huge George W. fan, I am ardently opposed to his plans for Alaska, but I agree with him on abortion. What's this at least "we" know thing? Who's we? Is this some social caste system in which your statues is determined by your political points of view? I guarantee you there are plenty of people on this list who agree with me about abortion to some extent at least. I would like to apologize for sounding somewhat condescending on my post last night. It was a long day and I was in a bad mood. I don't think Roe v. Wade should just be over turned, it's a sensetive issue that demands care and attention and there are passionate, well-meaning people on both sides. I do believe that it is a good idea to not force our abortion policies on third world countries. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:08:06 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush passes his first test In a message dated 1/23/01 11:11:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > more than half it it. > considering how manypregnanices the pill temrinated, > we're proabbly looking at something like 90% of your generation being > killed. > > thank god, look how the rest turned out. > Wait until my generation starts exercising it's right to choose euthanasia. > > And it is utterly disgusting for America to shove its abortion > > policies onto other countries. These international abortion groups were > doing > > things like offering to give African tribal peoples food and medicine on > the > > condition that they use certain types of birth control and undergo > operations > > to make their reproductive systems defective. > > nonsense. > > White man's burden if you ask > > me. Maybe if we're lucky we can get Roe v. Wade overturned. > > > yeah, the birth controll pill really is a bad thing. I didn't say anything about the birth control pill. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:15:54 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush Passes his First Test In a message dated 1/23/01 11:11:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > how do you feel about the health care issue where every year there are more > and more people, who by the way are still alive (at least for now), that > need > and cant afford the care that will keep them alive? I think they should receive health care. I understand what you're saying: if people can't live happy, healthy lives in the first place, then why should they be born? I don't think that killing people before they are born is really the best way to solve this problem. What if some really incredible artist or musician was aborted? What if Jeff Buckley had been aborted? What if Mary Maragret O'Hara had been aborted? It could happen, think about it. I think health care should be cheaper, and I don't think doctors should be able to charge as much as they do, because we all know medical expenses are extremely overblown. I think regulations about how expensive medical services are could really help here. i'm sure this is a hot > bed issue with you that also keeps you up at night. you caring about unborn > fetuses and all. Now that was condescending. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:26:46 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraftwerk's pinache and Adam Ant's wardrobe. On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 08:01:27AM -0800, Brian Bloom wrote: > Dang. > > I was really intrigued by the subject line and was hoping to see who you > were talking about! > > I knew it sounded too good to be true.. :) And here I thought it was Morrissey :-) > ObMusic: Favorite Dylan tune - Jokerman. Anyone else know it or like it? Yeah! And I loved the video when it first came out. My fave Dylan track would be... Hmm... It's hard to pick one. But my favorite of his albums is definitely (and oddly) Slow Train Coming. I've actually been on a Phil Ochs binge of late. The arrangements of a lot of his songs (by Lincoln Mayorga mostly, if I recall) are brilliant. Not to mention the songs and singing themselves... - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:51:25 +1030 From: "Lloyd, Bronwyn (DHS)" Subject: Louisa John-Krol Hi all, Just wanted to tell you all that Louisa John-Krol's new cd "Ariel" is absolutely sublime........... Bronny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:33:44 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: His second test That was brave of you! ;) - -----Original Message----- From: Jerene Waite [mailto:jwaite@ucsd.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:24 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: His second test So, like what do you think of Dubya's taste in music? - --Jerene (ducking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:11:22 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: He's like Bob Dylan with Kraft spinach and a diamante sword l obe - -----Original Message----- From: ArtfulMdrr@aol.com >>Is it a "good" thing or a "bad" thing that we constantly speak of new artists >>in terms of old ones? Well words being the non-musical creatures that they are, it seems generally helpful for me to have some aural reference point. However, from the other side of the coin, one of the biggest compliments I ever received during my Prog-Rock-Deadly-Serious-Art-School-Band days (Our motto: "We've suffered for our music, now it's your turn"), was: " You folks don't sound like anyone I've ever heard" At least, I *think* it was a compliment.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:44:13 +1100 (EST) From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: a stupid question ...or is it? I was talking about this with a couple of guys from work yesterday and we didn't really come up with an answer. Anyway, my question is - do artists go on tour to support live albums? :) sherlyn =-= Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-= [Sydney, Australia] "We will push on into that mystery And it'll push right back And there are worse things than that..." - Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:07:53 -0600 From: Talamasca Subject: Re: Bush passes his first test At 11:01 AM 1/24/01 EST, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >I would like to apologize for sounding somewhat condescending on my post last >night. It was a long day and I was in a bad mood. I don't think Roe v. Wade >should just be over turned, it's a sensetive issue that demands care and >attention and there are passionate, well-meaning people on both sides. I do >believe that it is a good idea to not force our abortion policies on third >world countries. Then a more rational approach, as it would seem to me, would be not to remove funding for abortion services overseas, to women who may themselves be needing and seeking such services, but to impose regulations (or enforce existing regulations) against such coercion as you say occurs. There is no reason to, as the saying goes (in a perhaps too appropriate metaphor) throw out the baby with the bathwater. and At 11:15 AM 1/24/01 EST, he wrote: >I understand what you're saying: if >people can't live happy, healthy lives in the first place, then why should >they be born? I don't think that killing people before they are born is >really the best way to solve this problem. What if some really incredible >artist or musician was aborted? What if Jeff Buckley had been aborted? What >if Mary Maragret O'Hara had been aborted? It could happen, think about it. By that token, what if Hitler had been aborted? The argument goes both ways. John Higdon (Talamasca) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:17:45 -0500 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Jane Siberry, upping the anti (someone had to) Good Evening, All: Since no one else has relayed it on this list... this is the latest from Jane Siberry... Philip David 1/24/2001 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: MUSELETTER 01.24.2001 Upping The Anti Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:17:29 -0500 From: S H E E B A To: sib@sheeba.ca And then the mayor will proclaim the village idiot to be the leader and as leader the village idiot shall say no more mayors and that will be the end of that story. All will dissolve into gold and flow away. Everything you say Everything you do Will come back to stand with you Everything you trust Everything you feel Will come back to kneel with you Everything you trust Everything you know Will turn to dust will blow away Everything you say Everything you try Will come out sounding like a lie. Never seen so many or made so many Mistakes. Oh my ... At every turn. And just when I want to say nothing to nobody I must send a second note to apologize for passing on the erroneous quote from Nostradamus. For accepting so glibly, without the vigilant care that seems to be required SO CONSTANTLY. For Everything. Oh my my ... Upping The Anti. Yup, Jane Siberry http://www.sheeba.ca 416.921.1364 416.921.0024 fax Suite 291 - 238 Davenport Road, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5R 1J6 ... and to be strengthening our foundations in these times ... - --- http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ - --- "I won't dance if I'm forced to dress enCRYPTed." - - Polly Chieh Stephanson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:37:27 -0500 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: Louisa John-Krol Hello, Bronwyn: > Just wanted to tell you all that Louisa John-Krol's new cd "Ariel" is > absolutely sublime........... That's grand news, since by coincidence, my copy came today. It's on Louisa's imprint, Blue Tree, but it will be released shortly in Europe via the label known as Prikosnovenie. (If North American rights are up for grabs - as well as on her first two albums, _Argo_ and _Alexandria_, I'd be interested in releasing them here, in support of any US touring Louisa might want to do.) Current details are up on her recently-revised and re-christened website at (what else nowadays?): http://www.louisajohnkrol.com/ (Hint: change your bookmarks in case it switches servers). Philip David (who turned over rights to a Diane Wolkstein site to the lady herself) 1/24/2001 - --- Sakura Nation, now if not forever at: http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ (I don't need no stinkin' vanity domain names!) - --- "I wish Lewis Carroll were alive today: he'd have a few things to say about Washington." - - Polly Chieh Stephanson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:49:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Smooth Jazz In the minds of many, smooth jazz is another programmers' creature, sorta like classic rock. It is widely considered by serious jazz fans to be homogenized for the mass market, bland and ultimately bogus. I have heard the phrase used by stations in several cities to describe themselves, I wonder if someone has trademarked it and is making money off its use as a result. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:55:01 -0500 From: "Kel Henson" Subject: Re: Jane Siberry, upping the anti (someone had to) heya Philip! Is this a new song from jane? What album is it from? A new one? thanks! Kel. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip David Morgan" Subject: Jane Siberry, upping the anti (someone had to) > Good Evening, All: > > Since no one else has relayed it on this list... this is the latest from > Jane Siberry... > > Philip David > 1/24/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:12:05 EST From: RavFlight@aol.com Subject: No more politics.... I don't want to sound too critical, especially since I work in politics, but is there any way we can restrict the discussions/comments on this mail forum to music and other closely related ecto items.. This is sort of what the request was earlier, that politics and religious discussions not be delved into, and I think that is a pretty rational request. After all, even though we listen to much of the same music doesn't mean we all have the same beliefs, and while differences are fantastic and discussion is a necessary part of learning, I dont think this is really the place. I mean, I'm a person who will start a political debate almost anywhere, but I think that in an open forum that people have signed up to discuss and hear about music news and reviews, the kind of tone that has been taken recently may be a rather personal affront. So, if there is any way that I can appeal to the others on this list to keep things on the forum civil, and away from hot-button and tension-raising topics like politics and religion (and so forth), and rather closer to the music roots to which the list was intended, I would be very grateful. Thanks. Ryan Rogers RavFlight@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:55:28 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Juno Nominees fortuitous, reading another mailbox after reading Phillip David's forward from Jane: >Nominations for the JUNO Awards were just announced. Some obvious >categories are listed in full while for others, just nominees that appear >on this list from time to time are listed. Anyone seeking complete >information should go to: >http://www.juno-awards.ca > >- - - - - > >Best Roots & Traditional Album - Solo > > Frank Leahy & Friends Don Messer's Violin (CBC > Records/Universal) >** Jane Siberry Hush (Sheeba/Fusion III) > Connie Kaldor Love Is A Truck (Coyote/Festival) > Neil Young Silver & Gold (Reprise/Warner) > Jenny Whiteley Jenny Whiteley (Festival) Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #26 *************************