From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V7 #18 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, January 18 2001 Volume 07 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ecto-digest V7 #17 [SpiritWe@aol.com] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Good bands, bad gigs (and vice versa) ["Adam K." ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA [Craig Gidney ] Re: 2 semi-ecto-ish questions [recount chocula ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [recount chocula ] Re: Good bands, bad gigs (and vice versa) [eperkins@surfbest.net] more Strawbs and new CDs in my player [dave ] RE: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player [Phil Hudson ] Re: Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA [Paul Blair ] Re: Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA [Stuart Myerburg ] Re: when good bands do bad gigs... [meredith ] RE: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player [Neile Graham ] Dar Williams [kerry white ] new kristen hersh. ["Heidi Maier" ] Best of Lists ["phclark" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:55:03 EST From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V7 #17 In a message dated 1/17/01 2:03:33 AM, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:35:06 -0500 From: atholbrose Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 09:45:01AM -0500, Adam K. wrote: > Anyone have any others that don't deliver? ...Ani Difranco was a huge dissapointment live. Needlessly loud (both the songs and the audience -- geez, why go to a concert if all you want to do is stand around and talk and smoke? you can do that at a bar), badly mixed, poorly sung... we left at the half-way point. >> someone posted this on ecto, I could't believe it!!! blasphemy....geez :( - -R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Dennis G Parslow (no Email address) ******************* ********************* Ross Alford (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius David Beery Tue January 20 1976 drum Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:55:18 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Good bands, bad gigs (and vice versa) Interesting results here --- I also saw the Kinks in the late 70's, in Chicago. I went along as a sort of nostalgic duty ("Well, I've never seen the Beatles or the Stones, so....") and was more than pleasantly surprised, even though rumours were that the support act (in this case a band called Charlie) blew them off the stage. I was mightily impressed. My first exposure to Ani DiFranco was a live one, at Glastonbury in '97, and even though I knew none of her music, she thrilled me. The sheer energy and enjoyment she brings in a live situation just conquered all. Yes, the audience - --- even here --- were appalling, and I was particularly disturbed by the lesbian couple in front of me who booed her (male) supporting musicians when Ani introduced them. Nonetheless, I've seen her again, and enjoyed her live far more than her albums, old or new. (Interestingly, in the same venue a couple of days later, I saw Shawn Colvin, who was nothing more than pleasantly personable and faintly dull.) I forgot to mention one of my BIG disappointments --- Talking Heads. I saw them in Central Park (the Dr. Pepper Concerts -- anyone remember those?) in the late 70's, when they were touring Fear of Music. I'd heard a lot of the album, and was desperately trying to update my musical tastes, so thought this would be as good a time as any. It was dreadful -- heads down, song after song, no communication, no energy past the stage monitors, and then they were gone. A few years later, when the film "Stop Making Sense" was released, I was gobsmacked, and kept saying to people "But they WEREN'T LIKE THAT!!" It was years before I even bothered to listen to a Talking Heads album, and they'd broken up by the time I got into them. About that time, I also saw Echo & the Bunnymen in a small club in NYC --- another dismal evening, with the band dragging themselves about the stage as if under contractual obligation and loathing every second of it. Oh yeah, and I won't even go into Evan Dando getting bottled off at Glastonbury..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:59:32 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs In a message dated 1/16/01 11:03:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > I went to see the Smashing Pumpkins promote > the stunning "Siamese Dream" and was amazed that they could be so dull AND > so > arrogant. A friend of mine is an obsessive Smashing Pumpkins fan. Although I really don't care for Corgan or his Pumpkins, she convinced me to go with her to Kansas a little while ago to see one of their last concerts. Yeah, I would say arrogant would be a good way to describe their performance. Fans would scream the names of songs they wanted to hear and he'd say "You can fucking forget it!". Is it just me, or shouldn't you be nice to people who go out and spend money on your art? I also heard that the Pumpkins stomped off the stage at Lollapalooza because the audience wasn't "getting" their music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA TUNDRA is very dance-oriented, with simple, catch lyrics. Drecker's singing voice is in fine form, going from classical soprano to exotic oriental and Middle Eastern flourishes at the drop of the hat. The self-penned, produced and programmed pieces at times don't sound out of place on a Hooverphonic, OMD or A-ha CD, as they mix orchestral and techno-influences. Other pieces are more leftfield. The title track is sung in Norwegian, sounds like a rave song and features Sami joik singing in the background. Call it 'Lapp-dance' music! Woebegone is co-produced by Simon Raymonde (ex-C.Twin) and features a string quartet. The final song, SONG OF THE SKYLOOM, Drecker imitates the glottal singing of Eastern Europe with lyrics from a Native American praisesong. Drecker makes her bid to be the Norwegian version of Bjork--with a dash of Liz Fraser--and suceeds. http://www.annelidrecker.com ===== Craig L. Gidney http://profiles.yahoo.com/quisquose11 Reviews of books and music, http://www.egroups.com/group/Ethereality Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:45:25 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: 2 semi-ecto-ish questions when we last left our heroes, ABershaw@aol.com exclaimed: >1) Last year sometime, a Nick Drake Tribute concert took place in Vancouver. >It featured many artists covering Nick's tunes including Veda Hille (which is >why I specifically ask here). Can anyone tell me more info on this concert, >as in date, venue, lineup and anything else of interest? Any info or links to >info appreciated. i couldn't find any reviews of the concert but there is an article, which includes a roster of performers, about it at the nick drake files website < http://hera.algonet.se/~iguana/DRAKE/vancouvertribute.html >. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:06:14 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... when we last left our heroes, SpiritWe@aol.com exclaimed: >>From: atholbrose >>...Ani Difranco was a huge dissapointment live. Needlessly loud (both the >>songs and the audience -- geez, why go to a concert if all you want to do >>is stand around and talk and smoke? you can do that at a bar), badly >>mixed, poorly sung... we left at the half-way point. >someone posted this on ecto, I could't believe it!!! blasphemy....geez :( hey! nobody can like everybody! when we last left our heroes, Andrew Fries exclaimed: >Strictly speaking this could be as one of the worst gigs I've witnessed, >because I have never seen anyone forgetting this many lines, chords, >dropping songs half-way through... In short, she was just incredibly >sloppy. Yet somehow she made it completely irrelevant - she was just up >there having fun, and we had fun with her. i, for one, enjoy sloppiness on stage -- though, i suppose, there has to be a point where it destroys a show. i just haven't seen that yet. or maybe i'm too forgiving and enjoy it when performers prove to be as human as the rest of us. the key element is that the performer needs to be accepting of their screw-up and not be one of those people who get bent out of shape about it. take tori amos. as with ani, tori's forgetfulness, random interjections and just plain screw-ups are charming and really add something to the show. every one of her shows is an adventure and you never really know where you're going to end up. ani's the same way. robyn hitchcock and roy harper also fall into this category. robyn screws up far less often than the other three, but he tends to go off on tangents, especially when teaming up with loonies like grant lee phillips or jon brion. nevermind the made-up stories which, alas, are pretty hit-or-miss these days. roy, on the other hand, just plain forgets things -- too much brain damage in his past not to have. fortunately, he copes and, well, i have to confess that roy's so godlike that i'd probably enjoy watching him giggle and heckle himself for 90 minutes. yeah, maybe it is just me. woj n.p. the henrys -- puerto angel (love m2oh's contributions but it's a shame that the rest of the album is so boring) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 8:59:05 PST From: eperkins@surfbest.net Subject: Re: Good bands, bad gigs (and vice versa) [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] The most disappointing concert Ive ever attended was just a couple of months ago--Cat Power in San Francisco. She was incredibly sensitive to any noise, and I dont think she played one song straight through. Sometimes shed stop and then start again, sometimes shed talk in the middle of a song and then continue, and sometimes shed just stop and switch to another song. There was constant tuning, and requests for sound adjustment, throughout. She kept apologizing--saying how sorry she was about the show--but nothing improved. I heard a couple of people there saying she wasnt usually like that, but from other things Ive read since, it seems like this might be typical of her shows--though perhaps one of the worst. I almost left halfway through--something I never do--but the show wasnt too long anyway. She cut off one song, thanked the audience for being so patient, and that was that. This message powered by EMUMAIL. -- http://www.EMUMAIL.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:09:13 -0500 From: dave Subject: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player Phil wrote: > Old Folkers from the UK, the Strawbs (Rick Wakeman's old pre-Yes gig) > recorded "Martin Luther King's Dream" Ok, ya beat me to this one (that's what I get for using digest mode).. Also though, we should point out that they were also Sandy Denny's old pre-Fairport gig.. Okay, a couple of recent purchases Sona Avagyan - Katil I found some samples of Armenian singer Sona Avagyan on the web a while back and was impressed enough to order her CD, which I have been playing quite regularly for the past few days. She has a lovely voice and the songs are quite nice. If you like Middle Eastern or Greek music this is something you may want to try, as it has a similar sound. There are a couple of RA samples at: http://www.narek-store.com/ And some short mp3s at: http://geocities.com/hyespirited/music.html Nune Yesayan - Who Knows... As long as I was ordering one Armenian CD I figured I might as well get two. I've seen a few videos of Nune on TV, so I got one by her. I haven't given it a real good listen yet, but it sounds pretty good, pretty much on the contemporary side, sort of the style of someone like Linda Eder. Rebecca St. James - Transform An absolutely wonderful album, even better than her last one. Definitely one of last years best albums. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:25:34 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player I didn't know that they were Sandy's bandies; what were they called then? Regards Phil - -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:sspan@magpage.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:09 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player Phil wrote: > Old Folkers from the UK, the Strawbs (Rick Wakeman's old pre-Yes gig) > recorded "Martin Luther King's Dream" Ok, ya beat me to this one (that's what I get for using digest mode).. Also though, we should point out that they were also Sandy Denny's old pre-Fairport gig.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:47:46 -0600 From: James Mitchell Subject: Re: Good bands, bad gigs (and vice versa) eperkins@surfbest.net wrote: > > [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] > The most disappointing concert Ive ever attended was just a couple of > months ago--Cat Power in San Francisco. Ah.... Cat Power. If this post hadn gone out, I'd have had to sit down and write it myself, this evening. It was a mind boggling show, in less than the best possible way. I saw her here in Chicaog at Shubas (where my band subsequently broke the chandelier), the weekend before Christmas. In adition to the constant fiddling about, she kept asking that the light be made dimmer and dimmer, untill the stage lights were out. There was a candle sitting on a piano, there on stage, and after she'd played bits of a couple of songs on the piano, she even snuffed that out, untill the brightest thing on stage was the light on her guitar amp. About fifteen minutes out from the end she dropped down to sit on the stage edge/stand on the floor, to which those up front responded by sitting down. Unfortunately it was a full house at Schubas' that night, and so by mid-way back people started running out of floor to sit on. At least by then, she had settled down a bit and was actually playing most of the songs nearly the whole way through. It was like some sort of shared trauma. We couldn't walk away but we couldn't take it either. Everyone was opening up and talking to strangers, wondering at what we had lived through. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:12:29 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: ecto-digest V7 #17 Hi! Rachael exclaimed: >someone posted this on ecto, I could't believe it!!! blasphemy....geez :( Like woj said, everybody can't like everybody. Dissenting opinions are still welcome opinions. Though I do know what it's like to see someone diss one of my goddesses. The 'count to ten' rule works really well in those situations. :) Now let me tell y'all about this Rachael Sage show I saw this one time ... (KIDDING!!! :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:21:22 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA wrote: >TUNDRA is very dance-oriented, with simple, catch lyrics. What's the best way for an American to get this album? I stopped by Twee Kitten, Harmony Ridge, Amazon, A&B Sound, CDBaby, TowerRecords.com, CDNow, HMV.com, Borders.com--nothing. CDNow does have a single, apparently for download: "Morning Glory - Simon Raymonde And Anneli Drecker"--what's this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:40:25 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Anneli Drecker, TUNDRA Paul Blair wrote: > >TUNDRA is very dance-oriented, with simple, catch lyrics. > > What's the best way for an American to get this album? I stopped by > Twee Kitten, Harmony Ridge, Amazon, A&B Sound, CDBaby, > TowerRecords.com, CDNow, HMV.com, Borders.com--nothing. I just got it from Amazon UK. It took about a month and a half for them to get a copy and ship it to me. But it eventually arrived. And, it was worth the wait. > CDNow does have a single, apparently for download: "Morning Glory - > Simon Raymonde And Anneli Drecker"--what's this? I think this may be from the new Tim Buckley tribute album. Stuart - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:58:45 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: when good bands do bad gigs... Hi! woj posted: >i, for one, enjoy sloppiness on stage -- though, i suppose, there has to be >a point where it destroys a show. i just haven't seen that yet. or maybe >i'm too forgiving and enjoy it when performers prove to be as human as the >rest of us. the key element is that the performer needs to be accepting of >their screw-up and not be one of those people who get bent out of shape >about it. This reminds me of the last time we saw Victoria Williams, at Fez. It was the last show of her tour, and it was the most fractionated live performance I've ever seen. IIRC Nick her tour manager was mortified, but I thought it was great. >roy, on the other hand, >just plain forgets things -- too much brain damage in his past not to have. >fortunately, he copes and, well, i have to confess that roy's so godlike >that i'd probably enjoy watching him giggle and heckle himself for 90 minutes. Like the time we saw him at the Bottom Line? He was so stoned, all he could manage to do was stumble onto the stage and giggle uncontrollably for 15 minutes before he ever played a note. I was rather embarrassed for him, actually. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:32:16 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: RE: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player They were The Strawbs. Ryko has an album of their recordings simply called _Sandy Denny and The Strawbs_. There are other discs of hers I'd get before it, but it's definitely worthwhile for a fan or for someone who like folkpop of the period. - --Neile np Elvis Costello, _Armed Forces_ At 3:25 PM -0800 1/17/01, Phil Hudson wrote: >I didn't know that they were Sandy's bandies; what were they called then? >Regards >Phil > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dave [mailto:sspan@magpage.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:09 PM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: more Strawbs and new CDs in my player > > >Phil wrote: >> Old Folkers from the UK, the Strawbs (Rick Wakeman's old pre-Yes gig) >> recorded "Martin Luther King's Dream" > >Ok, ya beat me to this one (that's what I get for using digest mode).. >Also though, we should point out that they were also Sandy Denny's old >pre-Fairport gig.. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:28:24 -0600 (CST) From: kerry white Subject: Dar Williams Hi, DW will be on Austin City Limits this week. Saturday evening in most places. CYLL. bye, Kerry R White ............................... ............................. zzkwhite@washburn.edu KTWU PBS TV kerrywhite@webtv.net Topeka KS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:23:39 +1000 From: "Heidi Maier" Subject: new kristen hersh. from nme.com: GOOD MUSE! KRISTIN HERSH has announced details of a new album, 'SUNNY BORDER BLUE', and will premiere songs from the album at a one-off acoustic show in LONDON. The ex-Throwing Muses vocalist's new album is released on March 12 via 4AD. The follow-up to 1999's 'Sky Motel', it features twelve new songs and a cover of Cat Stevens' 'Trouble'. The full tracklisting for the album is: 'Your Dirty Answer' 'Spain' '37 Hours' 'Silica' 'William's Cut' 'Summer Salt' 'Trouble' 'Candyland' 'Measure' 'White Suckers' 'Ruby' 'Flipside' 'Listerine' Hersh is confirmed to perform a special solo acoustic live show at the London Camden Underworld on February 8, where the material will get its first live performance in the UK. Hersh also plans to return to the UK for a full tour later in the year. you lucky londoners! :) heidi. - ------ "i want so much to write well, though i know i don't ... but during and at the end of my life, i will adore those who have." -- *dorothy parker* * heidi maier - maier@joynet.com.au * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:44:13 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Best of Lists This is a whine. Unlike last year, which wasn't actually the turn of the millennium, this year, which was, didn't seem to spawn any notable amount of best of lists. Inhabiting a real cultural desert has its drawbacks, not the least is that there is zero local talent and no one seems to stop on their way to L.A. (or vice versa.) Thus, I'm very dependent on ecto for my wish list. Hence: The Whine. Or maybe 2000 was just a lousy year, and I should concentrate on acquiring violin concerti. Peter C ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V7 #18 *************************