From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #381 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, December 19 2000 Volume 06 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ecto-digest V6 #380 [SpiritWe@aol.com] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] re: MPress Records / Walter Parks Tonight @ Cutting Room [SpiritWe@aol.co] saddest love songs [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: the saddest love songs ["Marcel Rijs" ] Re: Sad love songs [runly@hvi.net] Fwd: TV THEMES ["Bill" ] Re: Fwd: TV THEMES [Joseph Zitt ] FW: Bulgarian Folk Singing [Phil Hudson ] Re: Joni Mitchell, Christian Music [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Sad love songs [Ed Cole ] Re: Improv Performance - IMPROVISED PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER [Joseph Zitt ] Re: SOFTIES!!!! [Marla Tiara ] Acoustic albums [RocketsTail@aol.com] Re: the saddest love songs [Billi Mazur ] Fave CDs for 2000 [Billi Mazur ] Re: Sad love songs [kitty kat ] Computer Resurrection [tenthvictim@mindspring.com] Veda live last night [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:35:40 EST From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #380 In a message dated 12/18/00 2:03:29 AM, Marla writes: << (Rachael when are you going to play in Boston? You need to wear my tiara!!) marla tiara who is an Indigo Girls fan as well :) :) >> I will actually be performing at Passim in Boston in Feb., & would love *grin* to borrow your tiara!!! hope we can hook that up, I'll hold you to it :) thanks for the Softies clarification; I was kinda wondering about the"negative" term to describe music you obviously liked, ha ha. I'll check 'em out, thanks for the link. peace, Rachael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************** Tracy Benbrook (tracy@voldsboks.pvv.unit.no) *************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:59:53 EST From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: re: MPress Records / Walter Parks Tonight @ Cutting Room Hey y'all. Rachael "glitter-frau" Sage here with a bit of exciting musical news :) * * * - - Just letting you guys know that TONIGHT, 12/18/00, the fabulous Mr. WALTER PARKS, who helps me run my lil' record label & generally keep the souffli that is my life from exploding on a daily basis, is playing a show tonight. "Playing?" you rightly ask....Well, yes! Walter Parks is not only an expert on matters relating to record distribution, graphic-design and booking, but he is also a very talented musician, singer and producer who performed for many years in a group called "THE NUDES". Tonight will be his first show as a solo singer-songwriter since he moved back to NYC. So if you like beautiful melodies, a soulful-but-edgy voice, and kick-ass guitar licks, come support my MPress-mate, good friend and godsend Walter at: THE CUTTING ROOM (24th St. between 6th Ave. & B'way) TONIGHT, 8pm-9:30, $7. Come over & say hi if you're there, I'll be the one in the sequined red cowboy hat - unless I can get Walter to wear it just to impress his mom. xoxoxo, Rachael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: saddest love songs Hi.. Tim Buckley/This Mortal Coil Song to the Siren Roxy Music Song for Europe David Bowie Heroes Kate Bush Never be Mine Bonnie Raitt I cant make you love me Velvet Underground Pale blue eyes Nick Cave Ship song Tom Waits Martha Suede Another No One Anna Maria np-Sandii and the Sunsetz-Immigrants nr-Christa Faust-Control freak Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:49:13 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Re: the saddest love songs Hi, Quite a few lists coming by there but I think I missed the following: "Love's not for me" - Graham Gouldman "She's leaving" - Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark and, of course, the ultimate classic, "Sorry seems to be the hardest word" - Elton John As for the saddest Christmas song.... "The little boy that Santa Claus forgot", hands down.... Kind regards, Marcel Rijs afd. Communicatie / Communication Department Koninklijke Bibliotheek / National Library of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:19:08 +0000 From: runly@hvi.net Subject: Re: Sad love songs I've been outta the loop for a few days... Love songs? Well, these two aren't *romantic* love songs, but they're definitely other types of love songs (death, family) that start the waterworks for me (and BTW, it takes a LOT to make me cry). Cassiel's Song by Nick Cave Only A Dream by Mary Chapin Carpenter Sharon Terra Incognita http://www.geocities.com/runly/terra.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:39:39 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Fwd: TV THEMES Ectophiles: The following question came to me; any ideas? Thanks in advance. - - Bill G. np: David Gray - White Ladder (I just love this album) ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH PETROL COMPANY USED I WANT TO BREAK FREE IN THE TV ADVERT THANKS JIM BROWN ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:15:11 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Fwd: TV THEMES According to http://www.personal.u-net.com/~westwood/ads/p_index.htm that was Esso, in 1999. (I wish I could do these kind of searches for a living....) On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:39:39AM -0700, Bill wrote: > Ectophiles: > > The following question came to me; any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > - Bill G. > > np: David Gray - White Ladder (I just love this album) > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== > > > CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH PETROL COMPANY USED I WANT TO BREAK FREE IN THE > TV ADVERT > THANKS > JIM BROWN > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:00:51 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: FW: Bulgarian Folk Singing Hello all, I inadvertantly posted the wrong URL for KITKA recently; it's Kitka.ORG, not .Com. Sorry for any confusion. Happy holidays phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:04:50 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell, Christian Music Paul Blair writes: > But I wouldn't get my hopes up for having your spirit captured in > software. Having worked in artificial intelligence for a few years, > I can say that no such software program is even remotely on the > horizon. And nowadays even atheistic philosophers are starting to > defend the idea that minds are not reducible to physical processes. From what I've seen of philosophers arguing that intelligence has no reductionistic explanation, the arguments are awful, even when considered as philosophy. The inability of artificial intelligence research to produce artificial intelligence is by no means an argument that intelligence can't arise from natural physical processes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:47:02 -0500 From: Ted Subject: Review: Annie Haslam at Upper Tinicum Lutheran Church It was a dark and stormy night. Well, it was! Earlier, in the morning, Lambertville was hit by a thunderstorm followed by high winds. I was awakened in the morning by a thunder clap and a huge branch falling onto the roof of my tiny garage apartment. I am quite sure that the trees around here will be my undoing, they lurk over my pad at least 80 feet tall, and they seem to be very frail in a windstorm. In the afternoon one of these frail trees on the hill finally gave way and took out the area electricity for awhile. I decided to take a nap and start my day over while I waited for electricity to return. Hey, it works with computers. Turn it off, turn it on, problem solved! An hour into my snooze I got a call form my friend Mike. "Did you know Annie Haslam was giving a concert tonight?" "EEK! (well, I didn't really go EEK!, I think it was more like "Huh?" or whatever men do in place of eek when they don't want to sound like a sissy, the meaning is still the same) I had put a note on my refrigerator, I never read it. I put a reminder in my "Anytime Deluxe" scheduling program, it never reminded me (probably because it wasn't Microsoft software, but Microsoft API's are another rant for another time) To me, as a boy in puberty, Annie was a sex goddess, although it was a very awkward boy in puberty/sexual fantasy relationship. I was already trained from watching way too much TV as a child on the proper female sexual archetype, and as everybody should know, that archetype was Ginger from Gilligan's Island. I would play my Renaissance album "Novella" (singular. It was the only Renaissance album that Columbia's record club offered in its "9 albums for 1 penny and 1 very long footnote" scam, and I had no source of disposable income at that age, which was very disconcerting to Columbia Records I might add. I was barely 14 and I already had half of Columbia's legal team putting the arm on me for lapsing on payment for the Joe Cocker album they tried to shove down my throat, some days I would keep a look out in case they sent Big Louie from collections to my school to break my almost fully formed thumbs) and hear a voice from heaven, very feminine, very sexy, and lots of Reverb. Then I would look at the album cover and fantasize. I don't quite remember the fantasies, except that I was always dashing and Annie looked remarkably like Tina Louise. I think in most of them I was a Guitar player who wore a lot of theatrical makeup, not unlike Gene Simmons from Kiss, who somehow won Tina or Annie's heart through the playing of very intricate and loud heavy metal riffs. Now here I was unshaven, no electricity and therefore no heat and water, and Annie Halsm was playing tonight! Right up the road at Upper Tinnicum Lutheran Church, Upper Black Eddy PA, in a series of Christmas concerts in the area. What to do! I went back to my nap. Hey I was tired. I dreamed of showing up and meeting Annie as a dirty, smelly extra from the movie Das Boot. I was again awakened, this time by my fridge and heater kicking in at the same time. My electricity was restored. Problem solved. Now showered and shaved off to George's record store in New Hope, where I got a couple of Renaissance albums for Annie to sign. My Novella album had long since disappeared. George gave them to me for free for helping him install Real Player. I love Computer Newbies. The area had a second volley of rain and high winds. Upper Tinicum is just that, a long winding road up a mountain leads to the church. I and about 30 other Renaissance fans and their families were 15 minutes early for the doors. We stood outside the door as the weather vacillated between rain and high cold winds. Most of the people in front were talking about hockey. Philly Rockers! It never ceased to amaze me that these people could talk about Annie Haslam one minute and about blood sport the next. Nothing wrong with either IMHO, it's just such a bizarre juxtaposition of entertainment preferences. One family came without coats, thinking they could dash in without any wait. as it turned out the doors were a little late, I almost succumbed to a humanitarian thought and offered to share my coat. Fortunately the doors opened just as I was offering. The ticket taker was also the promoter, this was my first inkling of how intimate this performance was going to be. There was a little vegetarian buffet set up downstairs, with mushroom puffs, spinach pastries and the like, which seemed appropriate, I have always equated Prog Rock with wholesome organic foods for some reason. They just seem to go together well. So the fans had vegetable puffs and cider and talked about hockey, and I was thinking that Hockey at least owed Prog Rock a debt of gratitude for the mullet hairdo. Then upstairs for the show. This was not my first Church concert, I had seen King Crimson at a chapel at Wash U in St. Louis in 83 or 84. That was my first exposure to the sounds of Art Rock combined with Architecture designed to be conductive to spiritual matters. The music makes the church a new place, one slightly more sinister in some cases, as was the case in the most infamous concert I had been at, Switchblade Symphony at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Philly. You can get a taste of what I'm talking about by checking out the Limelight in NY sometime. But this show seemed to marry architecture and sounds cape together nicely, Lutherans are not ones to build flashy church buildings, and Annie is genuine talent, no flash needed. Rave Tesar, her lead keyboard player is a Virtuoso, as would be expected. He bears a striking resemblance to Neil from "The Young Ones" on Stage. (He didn't look anything like him off stage, must have the lighting) I forgave him for that as soon as heard him play, he seems to be one of those prodigies that would be at equally home playing Irving Berlin, Rachmaniov, or Prog Rock. Annie's voice is as clear and as pure as the first day I heard her. This was the most extraordinary thing I can report to you. I mean we've all heard those horror stories of going to see washed up old Rock stars and finding out their voices were gone. Going to see Joanie Mitchell and winding up with Joan Rivers, for example. But to have a voice that dwarfs all others by comparison and to maintain it! Boy. Did you miss out. Annie was out to surprise everyone with her repertoire, and she did, doing "A trip to the fair", "Ave Maria", "Chestnuts roasting on an open fire", "Carpet of the sun", some songs I wasn't aquatinted with, since I went on to be such a big punk fan in the 80's. Annie had a struggle with breast cancer while I was off pogoing at various punk clubs in the area, She obviously went through a lot of pain in that period, the change in the content of the songs she writes now reflect that period where her faith was tried, she came out of the ordeal with a new zest for life and a new religious zeal. I think she fully believes her voice is a gift from God, I'm not going to argue with her. That's probably how I would look at it If I had that voice, too. There was a short meet and greet session afterwards, when I met her I totally spaced on the 5 octave vocal range question I was supposed to ask her as I promised a year or 2 ago to members of the Gaffa mailing list, guess I'll have to go again next year. It was still an awkward love affair between a fan and a star, but I was reminded of a time before Liz Fraser, before Nina Hagen and Lene Lovich, before Souxie, even before Kate Bush, when there was Annie Haslam. And Ginger, of course. Ted (there is still one more holiday show Dec 22 at the Strand Theatre in Lakewood. In spring she'll be touring London and Japan- visit www.anniehaslam.com for details) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:36:59 +0100 From: "HK Hill" Subject: RE: Improv Performance - IMPROVISED PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER Joseph, And will these performances be recorded? Mini Disc would be nice . Of course, we don't need the same kind of uproar that accompanied the Ectofest recordings :(. But, if possible, could MP3s be posted of part of the concerts? I'd love to hear a sampling of this! What about cds? Best of luck, and this is one of the times I wished I was back in Texas! Holly Hill hkhill@iol.it Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil. Oops, I'm doing it again: I was planning just to vacation in Austin the last week of the year, but people there and in adjoining towns demanded that I play there (really -- I was, er, rather surprised), so it looks like we're doing a third annual TeXmas tour this year. The ensemble this year consists of members of a variety of new-music and sound poetry ensembles, coming together from as far afield as Washington, DC, and San Francisco. In addition to the usual verbal mayhem, we have clarinet, electric guitar, viola, shakuhachi, recorder, melodica, and possible other instrumentation. Different lineups will play different dates -- we know everyone will be playing Austin on 12/30, and varying subsets will be playing Bastrop, Temple, and San Antonio on the days before. And at each venue we hope to be roping in locals and teaching them some material so that they can perform as part of the group. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:13:44 -0500 From: "iflin@sirius.com" Subject: SOFTIES!!!! MARLA mentioned: >I notice nobody commented on my nomination of the >Softies. Surely I'm not the only ectophile who loves >them? by the way i am TOTALLY behind reading ECTOdigests, but i just have to say that i ABSOLUTELY love everything ROSE MELBERG does and THE SOFTIES is no exception! i haven't really given RHODE ISLAND that much of a listen to, and on first listen i wasn't as impressed with it...nice, but not as good as IT's LOVE or WINTER PAGEANT (the latter being my ABSOLUTE favorite SOFTIES album EVER...i think every single song on there has ended up on a various mixes of mine...including my current christmas card/cd that i am in the process of making). i think i am going to have to give RHODE ISLAND a better listen to.... speaking of which, does anyone know where i can get a CD that has indierock bands covering 80's hits? it featured THE SOFTIES as well as HOLIDAY and other bands, and was totally limited printed and was released a couple of years. i actually had it in my hands but didn' have any money, so i put it down, and when i went back the next day, someone had snatchted it up. it was put out by the label DOUBLE AGENT and was called DOUBLE AGENT 1980.... grrrr...thanks to everyone that emailed me about the TORI bsides, you all rock. i was going to email you all separately (maybe still will if i get my ass in gear) to thank you....... best get back to work. irvin - ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:50:57 -0800 From: Ed Cole Subject: Re: Sad love songs How about the antithesis: Dan Hicks and His Hotlicks..."How can I miss you when you won't go away." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:19:23 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Improv Performance - IMPROVISED PEACES/PLAYING TOGETHER On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:36:59PM +0100, HK Hill wrote: > And will these performances be recorded? Mini Disc would be nice . Of > course, we don't need the same kind of uproar that accompanied the Ectofest > recordings :(. But, if possible, could MP3s be posted of part of the > concerts? I'd love to hear a sampling of this! What about cds? I will be doing audio recording on my DAT, should be bringing my laptop, and have the probably unrealistic dream of posting MP3s of performances the following day. (Check out http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ for, among other things, recordings from the past two years' shows.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:10:23 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: SOFTIES!!!! __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:22:24 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Acoustic albums Right now I'm obsessed with Patty Griffin's "Living with Ghosts", I was wondering if anyone could recommend any more acoustic albums like "ghosts" that I should check out. That seems to be the mood I'm in right now lol. THanks. -eric np: Kristen Hersh "Sky Motel" "trying to find a warm place to hide maybe born before your time how unfair to our human eyes how I wish you were alright 'cause I worry..." ~Sarah Slean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:28:14 -0800 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: the saddest love songs Hello all, I have been following the thread and would like to also contribute a few songs that haven't (to my knowledge) been mentioned: Holding On With Both Hands - Kevin Gilbert (w/ Giraffe) Hold On - Sarah McLachlan Tears In Heaven - Eric Clapton Happy holidays, peace, and love to all of you! Bill n.p. Dido _No Angel_ Marcel Rijs wrote: > Hi, > Quite a few lists coming by there but I think I missed the following: > > "Love's not for me" - Graham Gouldman > "She's leaving" - Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark > > and, of course, the ultimate classic, > > "Sorry seems to be the hardest word" - Elton John > > As for the saddest Christmas song.... > "The little boy that Santa Claus forgot", hands down.... > > Kind regards, > > Marcel Rijs > afd. Communicatie / Communication Department > Koninklijke Bibliotheek / National Library of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:34:50 -0800 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Fave CDs for 2000 Hello all, I really didn't purchase that many CDs this past year. Here are my favorites from the year (not in any specific order): 1) Jorane "Vent Fou" - I bought this CD because all of the positive press here on Ecto. I believe that Jorane's music is a very interesting mix of Tori, Heather Nova, and mid period King Crimson (when the extraordinary violinist, David Cross, was in the band). I can see how many here would consider this CD to be essential Ecto fare. BTW Phil, you must check this one out. 2) Kate Price "The Isle Of Dreaming" - This is a beautiful and hypnotic recording that is a wonderful mix of celtic and world music. If you enjoy the music of Loreena McKennitt and Louisa John-Kroll (another great Ecto recommendation), you will appreciate Kate's work. 3) Radiohead "Kid A" - I can understand how those who really got into "The Bends" and "OK Computer" might be put off by this new CD from Radiohead. Personally though, I love it. It is eccentric and experimental in a very satisfying way for me. It doesn't leave me cold at all. Thanks to those on Ecto who gave me their reviews in advance of me purchasing this one. Most of the CD is quite moody, murky, and obscure. There are some stark contrasts though such as "The National Anthem" with it's feverish horn build at the end of the song. It reminds me of some of the intense jazzier passages from King Crimson's "Lizard". 4) Porcupine Tree "Lightbulb Sun" - This CD is their follow-up to the spectacular "Stupid Dream". To me, "Stupid Dream" is a masterpiece and an instant classic. "Lightbulb Sun" follows closely in the footsteps of "Stupid Dream", but is not quite as strong of an album. The songwriting and arrangements are still excellent. If you were disappointed with Radiohead's "Kid A" follow-up to "OK Computer" give either "Lightbulb Sun" or "Stupid Dream" a try. I believe that you may really enjoy these CDs. Porcupine Tree are not as well known a band as Radiohead, but are in a very similar vein. 5) John Hackett / Steve Hackett "Sketches Of Satie" - I really love the simple, elegant yet intriguing melodies of Eric Satie. John Hackett is an evocative flautist with an impeccable tone and sensitive delivery. His brother Steve, famous for his brilliant work with early Genesis, is definitely one of the premier guitarists in the world (at least in my view). I highly recommend this CD. 6) Sarah Brightman "La Luna" - Sarah is poppy and a little overblown at times in her delivery, but I still love her. She has a very beautiful and angelic voice. I enjoy her selection of cover material and her interesting blend of pop and opera. She does it very well. Her version of "Scarborough Fair" is gorgeous. 7) Azigza - Most everyone here knows how I feel about this band. They deliver a wonderful mix of progressive rock, jazz fusion, world, and trance music. Ecto's own, Cyoakha, is a passionate and powerful vocalist. Aryeh Frankfurter is a brilliant musician and is the driving force behind this band. An excellent CD. Other faves that I purchased and listened to heavily in 2000 (which were actually released in 1999): 1) Dido "No Angel" 2) Giraffe "Giraffe" - This is a compilation from the first two Giraffe CDs released by Kevin Gilbert's estate (the ortiginal Giraffe CDs are extremely rare and out of print) 3) Kevin Gilbert "The Shaming Of The True" 4) Sting "A Brand New Day" (A Christmas 1999 present) Happy holidays! Bill M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: kitty kat Subject: Re: Sad love songs here are a couple that jump to mind that just tear me up (hm, that works with both pronunciations - 'tare' and 'teer' - though I meant 'tare'): Loreena McKennitt - The Highwayman Tori Amos - Winter Phantom of the Opera - Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again Kate Bush - Wuthering Heights - -Kat - ------------- "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:12:58 -0600 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Computer Resurrection Howdy, Steve was spot on with the information about Frank J. Tipler. The reason I latched on to Bryce DeWitt is his name pops up in reference to the Omega Point in the index of the parallel universes book I'm reading. The Omega Point is one of the bits of information I remember from an interview with the (unknown till now) scientist who was relating all this craziness. After reading about Tipler on the net today, it seems apparent I was hearing an interview with him in support of his book, _The Physics of Immortality_. Several people were finding flaws with his argument (on the net). I will purchase the book soon and provide a ten-page book report on Big Chief paper. Sounds like the book is a tough read, but I'm fairly tenacious, if not thoroughly knowledgeable in the area of math and physics. Hey, but a guy explained quarks to me at work one day, and I sorta followed it. One problem I found with Tipler's argument (the Omega Point will give access to all time so that all people can be studied and computer modeled) is that it doesn't matter if a software version of me pops into existence billions of years down the line, the model still won't continue my existence. My consciousness will die and the software version of me will only act like me, and maybe in a sense be me, but it won't have any continuity with the me that I am now. More on the subject after I have read the book. The ecto group mind is a very powerful thing. I am beginning to think of projects for the collective to tackle. I believe the first project will be re-foresting Ireland and Spain and we'll move on to terraforming Mars next. Thanks, guys. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:46:28 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Veda live last night Hi, all-- Yesterday, Sunday, we drove up to Vancouver, BC to hear Veda Hille. The concert opened with Robin Holcomb from Seattle, whose music we've loved since we discovered her first self-titled solo album (and still my favourite of hers) ten years ago. She has a bunch of wonderful new songs, and it was great to hear them. I love how jazz has influenced her sound and poetry has influenced her lyrics. Hearing her, then Veda also showed the connections between the work Veda is doing now and Robin's work. Veda was premiering and also recording live a new series of songs based on science and nature and on her trip to the Yukon this past summer with a bunch of other performance artists. It is an incredible sequence of songs, incorporating, seamlessly, a couple of her earlier pieces. It was really affecting, and I feel honoured to have been there to hear it at the actual recording. And I tried to be quiet as a mouse, honest I did. And I managed to sit on my hands and not applaud in between songs, as she asked us not to do because it would interrupt the flow of the songs, and I'm so glad she did. It made the experience that much more powerful. It was just her, solo, at the piano, and behind her some stunning video work that she herself had commissioned to go with the songs. An amazing show. Veda truly knocks me out every time I hear her live. And on record, for that matter. We saw her for a brief moment before the show, just long enough fo her to say that she was sick as a dog. You would never have known from the power of her presence, or of her voice, or of her performance that she was feeling a hair less than magnificent. - --Neile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #381 **************************