From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #377 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, December 15 2000 Volume 06 : Number 377 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Oxy and Eze, other subjects [tenthvictim@mindspring.com] Re: saddest love songs [Jerene Waite ] Re: Wendy Rule [Andrew Fries ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Christmas song for download [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: saddest love songs ["Suzanne DeCory" ] Re: The Saddest Love Songs [Andrew Fries ] Re: mylene ["Marcel Rijs" ] re: Saddest love songs ["Martin G Bridges" ] The Saddest Love Songs [rich.rapp@effem.com] Re: Wendy Rule ["Rosana L. de Oliveira" ] Re: Oxy and Eze, other subjects [Neile Graham ] FW: The Saddest Love Songs ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Wendy Rule [jjhanson@att.net] Re: The Saddest Love Songs [Libby ] Re: saddest love songs [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: The Saddest Love Songs [Joseph Zitt ] Re: saddest love songs [Joseph Zitt ] RE: Saddest love songs [Phil Hudson ] Re: saddest love songs [jjhanson@att.net] Re: saddest love songs [Joseph Zitt ] Re: The Saddest Love Songs [recount dracula ] Re: saddest love songs [jjhanson@att.net] Re: saddest love songs [Joseph Zitt ] Sad love songs [Marla Tiara ] Re: saddest love songs [Bill ] RE: The Saddest Love Songs ["Bill Adler" ] RE: saddest love songs [Phil Hudson ] re: Saddest Love Songs ["Chris Stack" ] Re: saddest love songs [Brian Bloom ] re: Saddest Love Songs [dmw ] RE: saddest love songs [Bill ] Saddest Love Song [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Saddest Love Song [Joseph Zitt ] RE: Saddest Love Song [Phil Hudson ] Re: Lucille... [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Lucille... [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Lucille... [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: The Saddest Love Songs [Libby ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:59:42 -0600 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Oxy and Eze, other subjects Hola, Okay, so I was wrong about Oxy and Eze being moonbeam friends. That's one of the hazards of scholarship, sticking your neck out with a theory that is totally off base. (I thought the mention of Oxy and Eze in "Dying" was a reference to moonbeam friends, mentioned on Rhodes I.) I enjoyed Adam K's assessment of the current state of music. And while I'm at it-- I also enjoyed reading Neal's (I think) review of Cindy Berryhill's house concert. And the fellow who writes about Kristeen Young always makes me laugh. In my little utopia here I made several fine musical discoveries this year: The Beach Boys ( _Pet Sounds_ ,_Smiley Smile_, _Surf's Up_); Kinks (_Village Green Preservation Society_), Joni Mitchell (_Blue_, _Hissing of Summer Lawns_, _Mingus_); Happy Rhodes(just about everything); Moondog (can't remember the names of the two albums, too lazy to walk downstairs and look them up); Louis Armstrong (_hot fives and sevens_, JSP Records -- four disc set, the hiss is gone). No I haven't been visiting an alternate universe, I just finally broke down and started buying albums I should have bought ten or twenty years ago. (Isn't album a quaint word?) I didn't know who Happy R. was ten years ago. Well, maybe. She got airplay on the local public radio station circa _Warpaint_, but I didn't stumble across her again until last January, and what she had to say I was ready to hear. I replaced my scratched and poppy Judee Sill records this year with Japanese discs. Lovely music (_Judee Sill_ and _Heartfood_). Nice warm alto voice, beautiful lyrics, Brian Wilson-ish arrangements. I also found out her bordering-on-tragic life ended early. Thrift stores, antique malls, and pawn shops. What would I do without being able to while away hours poring over second-hand junk (antiques) in moldy smelling stores? Life would be a colorless wash of strip malls and fast food joints. I bought a cheap cornet in an antique mall-- the sound I get out of it is the distant complaint of water rushing through copper plumbing on its way to the toilet--, an inexpensive Roland MS-1 (loop sampler), a funky cowbell, great books, and numerous 50 cent and 1 dollar vinyl records (mostly bad). Support your local Goodwill. If you are an aging Jesus Freak, Goodwill stores are the best place to purchase those Christian albums you lusted after in the seventies (Second Chapter of Acts, Paul Clark, Phil Keaggy, Larry Norman, ad infinitum) and a great source of Christmas vinyl. The most consistent experience I have had with junk stores is revisiting a shop to purchase something I didn't have money for a month earlier and either forgetting where the magnificent object of my affection is or discovering it has found a more worthy owner. On the other hand, is there a warmer feeling than frequently visiting a thrift shop and seeing that your object of desire has not been purchased and still awaits your tender touch, though not this month, maybe next month? Okay, I've said my piece. Lyle n.r. Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories - Jean Shepherd (if you like_A Christmas Story_, you should read _In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash_) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:13:51 -0800 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Re: saddest love songs From the original Broadway cast album of The Secret Garden: "How Could I Ever Know", in which the ghost of Lily responds to her husband's anguish ("Where in the World") at losing her and being unable to recover from this loss. "How could I know I would have to leave you..." - --Jerene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:53:11 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Wendy Rule On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, RocketsTail@aol.com wrote: > Thanks again to the ECTOPHILES GUIDE TO GOOD MUSIC...I just checked out the >music of Wendy Rule and am mesmerized by what i hear! She's amazing! I'm >going to go order a cd now :-). And I'm going to do even better than that - I'll see her in person this Sunday, yepee! I'm excited, no point in denying. BTW, while I have to agree with Jeff her song "Zero" is exceptional, when it comes to the albums I actually think it is her latest, "World Between Worlds" that is my favourite. Precisely because it is more even, less theatrical. The word is, subtle.... Ah, whatever - it's just great. It's very likely to feature in my top-10 for this year. Which I shall inflict upon you very soon... - ------------------------------------------------------ "The Optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds. The Pessimist fears this is true" - James Branch Cabell - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Julie C. Kammerzell (kammerzj@peak.org) ***************** *************** Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti (no Email address) *************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Christmas song for download Hi.. the brilliant band the Knife have a christmas song for download at www.rabidrecords.com. have fun. Anna maria Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 03:50:35 -0500 From: "Suzanne DeCory" Subject: Re: saddest love songs First one that came to my mind.. 'Next to Last Song' by Bjvrk... although you can only hear it in her movie Dancer in the Dark... (it isn't included on the sound track..) it is a song she sings for her son, Gene. Joni Mitchell: Blue (Quite a few on that album) Gabriel: Here Comes the Flood, I Grieve. Kate Bush: This Woman's Work, My Lagan Love. I also can't help but think of 'You Never Told Me' by Happy.. Suzanne (: Let us live the highest vision of what is possible... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:52:34 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Bill Adler wrote: >I'm curious about what people's favorite, saddest love songs are -- songs >that put a lump in your throat every time you hear them. My favourite love song (which is also my favourite break-up song - go figure!) is so obscure, even by Ecto standards, I could only do one thing: upload it to my server so you can hear it for yourself! If you have patience to download a 4MB mp3 file, you can get it here: http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/sad.html And whatever happened to her, I wonder... karen hester, can you help me with this one? - ------------------------------------------------------ "The Optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds. The Pessimist fears this is true" - James Branch Cabell - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:06:31 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Re: mylene Hi, karen hester wrote: > It's strange that she and her co-writer/producer Boutonnat are behind "Moi > Lolita" and Alize (sp?), so cute and perky. Though for all I know the > lyrics might be from the point of view of a murderous Lolita. One hopes. I've just gotten this single myself and will try to figure this out... :) > Then he called Mylene "transcendantly melancholy, operatic diva rock" and > said Kate Bush could be a comparison to her "intelligent, stupendous, loud, > sweet and sour" stuff, but "where the hell is K.B.? And Farmer doesn't > scream." > Ahh, music press, ever so helpful. And Farmer does scream, she screams > "deshabillez moi" manically, like she'll crumble if not obeyed immediately. > I liked that song better before figuring out what it was about :). Great song to tease women with, I've found. "Why don't *you* ever ask that?" :) Greetings, Marcel Rijs afd. Communicatie / Communication Department Koninklijke Bibliotheek / National Library of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:21:19 +1100 From: "Martin G Bridges" Subject: re: Saddest love songs Hi folks, This thread reminded me of a tape I put together back in the early 90s (probably 91 or 92), when I was coming to the end of my time at university. It was a fairly emotional time of my life for various reasons. At the time, I was still pretty much in my rock phase, so few of these songs have any ecto-content. Also, many of the selections are particularly British,. Still, I hope you don't mind me sharing them with you: Side 1 (hey, remember when we had things with 2 sides???) Alone - Heart ("our song" from my first serious relationship) What It Takes - Aerosmith Still In Love With You - Thin Lizzy I Don't Love You Anymore - Quireboys (I think, can't really remember!) Kayleigh - Marillion Nobody's Fool - Cinderella Ain't Gonna Cry - Little Angels Love Bites - Def Leppard Fatal Hesitation - Chris De Burgh Side 2 Oh Daddy - Fleetwood Mac Patience - Guns n Roses Following - erm, it's on the tip of my tongue but I can't remember, plus no tape deck to hand Parisienne Walkways - Phil Lynott/Gary Moore Since You Been Gone - Rainbow Cliche - Fish (ex Marillion) Rivers Of Ice - Simple Minds Don't Cry - Guns n Roses Who Wants To Live Forever? - Queen No Solution - Little Angels I made a point never to play this tape after drinking - made me feel too morose! Anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I don't apologise for the trqck-listing - I never feel embarrassed about music I listened to in my past. It's all a step along the road. Cheers, Martin [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:57:47 -0500 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: The Saddest Love Songs "House with No Door" - Van Der Graph Generator (Peter Hammill) > I nominate October Project's "Ariel," ( 2nd that nomination) Rich R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:44:14 -0500 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: Re: Wendy Rule At 06:53 PM 12/15/2000 +1100, Andrew Fries wrote: Hello, >And I'm going to do even better than that - I'll see her in person this >Sunday, yepee! I'm excited, no point in denying. BTW, while I have to >agree with Jeff her song "Zero" is exceptional, when it comes to the >albums I actually think it is her latest, "World Between Worlds" that is >my favourite. Precisely because it is more even, less theatrical. The >word is, subtle.... Ah, whatever - it's just great. It's very likely to >feature in my top-10 for this year. Which I shall inflict upon you very >soon... "World Between Worlds" is a good album, but it was the epic feeling of "Zero" that first caught me. The first song of hers that I've ever heard was "Continental Isolation" and it totally blew me away. I had never heard anything like it. My favorite song is "Artemis" though (which is on "Deity"). Lucky you for getting to see her live. ;) As for the Saddest Love Songs thread, my vote goes to Kate Bush's "This Woman's Work" and Tara MacLean's "Holy Tears". Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Kerri Simpson - The Arousing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:17:21 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Oxy and Eze, other subjects Lyle wrote: >If you are an >aging Jesus Freak, Goodwill stores are the best place to purchase those >Christian albums you lusted after in the seventies (Second Chapter of Acts, >Paul Clark, Phil Keaggy, Larry Norman, ad infinitum) and a great source of >Christmas vinyl. Heh. Nice to hear someone else on the list has heard of Larry Norman. There have been one or two mentions of Second Chapter of Acts over the years. Even though I an now a born-again pagan, I still love several of Larry Norman's albums, and when we got a CD-R _Upon This Rock_ was one of the first vinyl albums we committed to CDR. - --Neile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:14:38 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: FW: The Saddest Love Songs Speaking of Van der Graaf, the one that always grabs me is My Room (Waiting for Wonderland), from Still Life. Also: Think of Me with Kindness, Gentle Giant, from Octopus Running Wild, Roxy Music, from Still Life Ocean Gypsy, Renaissance, from Scheherezade, and/or various compilations/live albums. Also see Blackmore's Night version of same, from Shadow of the Moon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:14:45 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: Wendy Rule Andrew Fries wrote: "BTW, while I have to agree with Jeff her song "Zero" is exceptional" Actually, I tihnk I said the first song on Zero is exceptional--Continental Isolation. Really amazing song--that really grabs your attention. You're right Andrew--her work is becoming more subtle--but in that process becomes less able to grab my attention, but does grow on me just as much over time. RocketsTail wrote that her voice reminded him of Belinda Carlisle--I agree--I heard that too--kind of a cross between Lisa Gerrard and Belinda Carlisle-- scary concept but somehow she pulls it off. Jeff Hanson n.p. Stabbing Westward - Darkest Days n.r. House of Leaves - Mark Z Danielewski > At 06:53 PM 12/15/2000 +1100, Andrew Fries wrote: > > Hello, > > >And I'm going to do even better than that - I'll see her in person this > >Sunday, yepee! I'm excited, no point in denying. BTW, while I have to > >agree with Jeff her song "Zero" is exceptional, when it comes to the > >albums I actually think it is her latest, "World Between Worlds" that is > >my favourite. Precisely because it is more even, less theatrical. The > >word is, subtle.... Ah, whatever - it's just great. It's very likely to > >feature in my top-10 for this year. Which I shall inflict upon you very > >soon... > > "World Between Worlds" is a good album, but it was the epic feeling of > "Zero" that first caught me. The first song of hers that I've ever heard > was "Continental Isolation" and it totally blew me away. I had never heard > anything like it. My favorite song is "Artemis" though (which is on > "Deity"). Lucky you for getting to see her live. ;) > > > As for the Saddest Love Songs thread, my vote goes to Kate Bush's "This > Woman's Work" and Tara MacLean's "Holy Tears". > > Regards, > > Rosana > rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br > http://www.geocities.com/jerayna > ------- > n.p. Kerri Simpson - The Arousing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:34:32 -0500 From: Libby Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs Another Day - Roy Harper (absolutely the saddest) Wedding Song - Bob Dylan (more haunting than melancholy... "I love you more than blood.") Never Say Goodbye - Bob Dylan (bittersweet) Dirge - Bob Dylan (do we see a pattern here?) Actually, these three Dylan tunes are all on Planet Waves, and obviously, Bob was having quite the time. Could It Be - Nil Lara (more of a breakup song, really) A Better Place to Be - Harry Chapin Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight - The Beatles Maybe I'm Amazed - Paul McCartney (heartwrenching, but triumphant) God Bless Joseph Zitt for mentioning "Mandy" by Barry Manilow. There's another, "Could This Be the Magic"... I think ... is the name. I haven't heard it since I was embarrassingly young. That's all I can recall for the moment. I'm sure there are many more, because I have a real masochistic fondness for music that makes you cry. You could run a radio station on nothing but a catalogue of blues songs written on this thread. (weeping, weeping) ~!L n.p. Planet Waves, Bob Dylan n.r. _ Cat's Eye_, Margaret Atwood - ------------- " That hollow place where mothers weep and angels play with sin." - Bob Dylan - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:42:50 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: saddest love songs Well the song that instantly came to my mind was "More" by The Sundays. It's lonely, spiraling and haunting and perfect for late night lamenting of loves lost. But really the whole BLIND album is great for that. "It Ain't Me Babe" by Bob Dylan and "Beautiful Child" by Fleetwood Mac also fit in this category as does "More Than This" by 10,000 Maniacs (that was the song I mourned too about this time last year after a relationship came to and end). In a message dated 12/14/00 11:19:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:32:12 -0500 From: "Bill Adler" Subject: The Saddest Love Songs I'm curious about what people's favorite, saddest love songs are -- songs that put a lump in your throat every time you hear them. I nominate October Project's "Ariel," and Beth Patterson's "Steer by the Stars." When I'm in a mood to feel sorry for myself, these two songs give me self-pity chills. But I'm sure that there are even more potent melancholy love songs out there. If anyone has some to suggest, I'm all tears. >> "And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all" - -John Lennon (commenting on Election 2000) http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/frank.joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:00:11 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:34:32AM -0500, Libby wrote: > God Bless Joseph Zitt for mentioning "Mandy" by Barry Manilow. There's > another, "Could This Be the Magic"... I think ... is the name. I haven't > heard it since I was embarrassingly young. That's "Could It Be Magic", and... yep... Believe it or not, Manilow gave two of the best concerts I've ever seen (one of which was the first non-classical concert I ever went to, and the other of which was on the bittersweet moment of my leaving NY). > (weeping, weeping) Giggling, giggling (that commercial gets me every time). [Eek, I've now admitted liking both Barry Manilow and Staples commercials. I'd better start raving about Naked City again to rebuild my avant-indie cred.] - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:02:32 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: saddest love songs On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:42:50AM -0500, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Well the song that instantly came to my mind was "More" by The Sundays. It's > lonely, spiraling and haunting and perfect for late night lamenting of loves > lost. But really the whole BLIND album is great for that. "It Ain't Me Babe" > by Bob Dylan and "Beautiful Child" by Fleetwood Mac also fit in this category "Beautiful Child" is another grabber (which reminds me also of Jefferson Airplane's "Come Up the Years" and Gary Puckett and the Union Gap's "Young Girl"). The whole side four of "Tusk" is a fave. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:54:07 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Saddest love songs Joni Mitchell; "Hejira" and "Amelia" from the Hejira album ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:12:47 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: saddest love songs Hmm, this is tougher than I thought it would be. Some of my favorite sad songs (though not necessarily love songs): The Life - Wendy and Lisa Never Give Up on Me - Jann Arden Blow Wind Blow - Alison Moyet and for pure (but emotional) schmaltz: I Can't Live if Living is Without You - Eric Carmen (overdone by Mariah, Celine, Heart, and others) Boats Against the Current - Eric Carmen (my favorite version is the one done by Olivia Newton John) Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:52:58 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: saddest love songs On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 05:12:47PM +0000, jjhanson@att.net wrote: > I Can't Live if Living is Without You - Eric Carmen > (overdone by Mariah, Celine, Heart, and others) I'm pretty sure that that's "Without You", originally a hit for Nilsson (though written by Badfinger). I don't recall an Eric Carmen version... though, come to think of it, his "All By Myself" certainly fits the bill... as does (by train of thought) Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again Naturally". - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:47:54 -0500 From: recount dracula Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs when we last left our heroes, Joseph Zitt (jzitt@metatronpress.com) exclaimed: >[Eek, I've now admitted liking both Barry Manilow and Staples >commercials. I'd better start raving about Naked City again to rebuild >my avant-indie cred.] fret not: just one listen to comma, joe, will put enough avant-indie cred in your account for a zillion staples commercials. ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:22:22 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: saddest love songs Joseph Zitt writes: > I don't recall an Eric Carmen version... though, come to think of it, > his "All By Myself" certainly fits the bill... as does (by train of > thought) Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again Naturally". > You're absolutely right--somehow All By Myself and Without You have merged in my mind as one super- melodramatic ballad. Other songs I've thought of: I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston -yeah, it was played to death, but can't hear it without thinking of my ex's sister, who died right when this hit. It was played everywhere we went during that time. Can't hear it without thinking of her. Sometimes When We TOuch - Dan Hill -more schmaltz Some sad songs I'm not ashamed to admit liking: February - Dar Williams Softly Over, Midnight - Yazoo Watching You - Melissa Etheridge God Give Me Strength - Costello/Bacharach--as performed by Kristen Vigard in Grace of My Heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:52:52 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: saddest love songs On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:22:22PM +0000, jjhanson@att.net wrote: > I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston -yeah, it > was played to death, but can't hear it without thinking > of my ex's sister, who died right when this hit. I got a grotesquely funny image when reading that last phrase. (But yeah, it's a great record.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Sad love songs The entire new album by The Softies - Holiday in Rhode Island - is chock full of sweet and sad songs of love lost (and one song of happy love, but just one). And what about Putting the Damage On by Tori Amos (has this been mentioned already?) - "You say you packed my things and divided what was mine..." *sniffle* marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: saddest love songs I suppose Bonnie Raitt's "I can't make you love me" is sad enough for me; despite the great music, the lyrics are turly sad, with resignation. - - Bill G. np: Holly Cole - It happened one night (thanks, Neile) nr: William Gill - Fortune's Child (still, I am a slow reader) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:24:25 -0500 From: "Bill Adler" Subject: RE: The Saddest Love Songs If I start listening to the songs that everyone has suggested, nobody in my family's going to want to spend any time with me this weekend... But here are some more sad love songs: Suzanne - Leonard Cohen Time Passes On - Orleans I'd Really Love to See You Tonight - England Dan and John Ford Coley One Day Soon - Grey Eye Glances - --Bill (typing through the tears) n.p. Sarah Lentz, No Going Home - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Libby Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:35 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs Another Day - Roy Harper (absolutely the saddest) Wedding Song - Bob Dylan (more haunting than melancholy... "I love you more than blood.") Never Say Goodbye - Bob Dylan (bittersweet) Dirge - Bob Dylan (do we see a pattern here?) Actually, these three Dylan tunes are all on Planet Waves, and obviously, Bob was having quite the time. Could It Be - Nil Lara (more of a breakup song, really) A Better Place to Be - Harry Chapin Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight - The Beatles Maybe I'm Amazed - Paul McCartney (heartwrenching, but triumphant) God Bless Joseph Zitt for mentioning "Mandy" by Barry Manilow. There's another, "Could This Be the Magic"... I think ... is the name. I haven't heard it since I was embarrassingly young. That's all I can recall for the moment. I'm sure there are many more, because I have a real masochistic fondness for music that makes you cry. You could run a radio station on nothing but a catalogue of blues songs written on this thread. (weeping, weeping) ~!L n.p. Planet Waves, Bob Dylan n.r. _ Cat's Eye_, Margaret Atwood - ------------- " That hollow place where mothers weep and angels play with sin." - Bob Dylan - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:34:16 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: saddest love songs - -----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:bill@wagill.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:58 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: saddest love songs Bill said >I suppose Bonnie Raitt's "I can't make you love me" is sad enough for me; The live version from "Road Tested" is especially poignant, and she holds one high note until you start to worry for her passing out on stage, but Bill's right, it's about as sad as you can get. Another weeper from Road Tested is "opening farewell" with Jackson Browne (who wrote it): " Suddenly it's so clear to me/that I've asked you to see what you may never see/ Now my kind words seem to come back to me/ "There's a train every day, leaving either way/ There's a world, you know/You've got a way to go"/ I could believe it's just as well/ This is my opening farewell. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:38:00 -0500 From: "Chris Stack" Subject: re: Saddest Love Songs My saddest love songs are... River by Joni Mitchell Never Be Mine by Kate Bush ...they're setting fire to the corn fields as you're taking me home... ~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~ Chris Stack www.stackdigital.com chris@stackdigital.com ~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~ Understanding that which is at our door, is the first step towards understanding that which lies beyond. -Hypatia ~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~-*-~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:50:03 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: saddest love songs While more of a lament than a lovesong, I think Bonnie's song "All at Once" is even more melancholy. And chiming in on the subject, other fave sad songs, are: This Mortal Coil - "I Want to Live" Love Club - "Sad Eyes" (a song that personally blows me away every time I hear it... surprised how obscure this song/group tends to be) The Cure - lots of candidates, especially from "Disintegration": "Lovesong", "Last Dance","Pictures of You", "Same Deep Water as You" and while nowhere as profound as the above gothy stuff, Chicago's "If She Would've Been Faithful" is a love song sprinkled with some hurt... Oh.. almost forgot some of Annie Lennox's stuff from "Diva": "Stay By Me", "Walking on Broken Glass" (although cheerful tune, very bitter lyrics) Brian np: Air - Premiers Symptomes nr: Audrey Grant - Better Bridge: Play of the Hand (currently taking a bridge class) At 10:57 AM 12/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I suppose Bonnie Raitt's "I can't make you love me" is sad enough for me; >despite the great music, the lyrics are turly sad, with resignation. > >- Bill G. > >np: Holly Cole - It happened one night (thanks, Neile) >nr: William Gill - Fortune's Child (still, I am a slow reader) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: re: Saddest Love Songs i'll be the fifth or sixth to mention dar williams' "february," also, paula cole's, gee, i'm not quite sure which one it was now, i think "i'm so ordinary." mostly, though, i find "saddest love songs" more situational or associational than intrinsic to the song, i find merle haggard's "if we make it through december" devastating, but i doubt it would mean as much to most people. ditto conway twitty's reading of raymond smith's "fifteen years ago." there's one of mine that for a long time i didn't know if i could play live without breaking down in the middle, eventually i learned how to get through it and the band added it to most of our sets. i played it once at a show when the woman i wrote it for was in the audience; as far as i know she has no idea it was written for her. (i mean, it was a rock'n'roll show, she probably couldn't hear any of the words, after all.) that's about the saddest i can handle. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: RE: saddest love songs On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Phil Hudson wrote: > Bill said > >I suppose Bonnie Raitt's "I can't make you love me" is sad enough for me; > > The live version from "Road Tested" is especially poignant, and she holds > one high note until you start to worry for her passing out on stage, but > Bill's right, it's about as sad as you can get. oh yes, most certainly, that longly-held note just twists the proverbial knife deep inside my guts each and every time. But somehow it feels good to feel the pain. - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:47:16 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Saddest Love Song Hi, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned, "Lucille (Has messed My Mind Up)" by Frank Zappa from Joe's Garage. And how about Peter Hammill's "On Tuesday She Did Yoga" from Over. bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:13:59 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Saddest Love Song On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:47:16PM -0600, kerry white wrote: > Hi, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned, "Lucille (Has messed My > Mind Up)" by Frank Zappa from Joe's Garage. IIRC, that song was written by Jeff Simmons. I had it on a collection of tunes that Zappa had produced that predated Joe's Garage by several years. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:05:49 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Saddest Love Song Didn't someone like Tim Buckley do it too back in the 70s? p - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:14 PM To: kerry white Cc: That warm and fuzzy [place] Subject: Re: Saddest Love Song On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:47:16PM -0600, kerry white wrote: > Hi, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned, "Lucille (Has messed My > Mind Up)" by Frank Zappa from Joe's Garage. IIRC, that song was written by Jeff Simmons. I had it on a collection of tunes that Zappa had produced that predated Joe's Garage by several years. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:10:20 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Lucille... Hi, per liner notes, "All selections composed, arranged and conducted by Frank Zappa....c 1979" (and 1987 for CD) bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:38:33 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Lucille... On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 03:10:20PM -0600, kerry white wrote: > Hi, per liner notes, "All selections composed, arranged and conducted > by Frank Zappa....c 1979" (and 1987 for CD) And from the narration on the album: "Joe is so disoriented by his disease, he goes in the other room and plays the title cut from an old Jeff Simmons album, and sings along with it." See http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~splat/Lucille_Has_Messed.html for a picture of the cover and recording details of the 1970 album. OTOH, I see that the song is credited there to one "La Marr Bruister". But it clearly predates 1979. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:50:21 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Lucille... Hi, curiouser and curiouser...The 3' cd Peaches en Regalia (The First 3" CD out) has Lucille... as cut 3 and still has Frank Zappa 1979. One wonders how much of a difference there is between the two versions. Zappa was usually good about crediting others for the few outside songs he used. Hmmmmm!?! KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:02:02 -0500 From: Libby Subject: Re: The Saddest Love Songs Joseph Zitt wrote: > (weeping, weeping) > > Giggling, giggling (that commercial gets me every time). that robot just KILLS me... ("I LOVE HER!") > [Eek, I've now admitted liking both Barry Manilow and Staples > commercials. I'd better start raving about Naked City again to rebuild > my avant-indie cred.] yes, penance is required. ;) (I'll have to go up to Portland and catch something local at The Free Street Taverna, or Geno's, or The Skinny to make up for it myself.) For the synchronicity of the day, Barry Manilow has appeared twice more to achieve the magic 3: on the opening segment of VH1's "The List: Guilty Pleasures", and while channel surfing, on a syndicated "Murphy Brown" episode as the entertainer at a party. ~!L. - ------------- "This now, itself, not the shock of the new, but the shock of the familiar, suddenly seen." - Jeanette Winterson, _Art and Lies_ - ------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #377 **************************