From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #359 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, November 29 2000 Volume 06 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Melissa Ferrick, Mirah [Marla Tiara ] Re: LSD [Neal Copperman ] King Kong [Neal Copperman ] Re: rachel's/matmos ["Marcel Kshensky" ] Re: Another Enya album ["Suzanna Otting" ] Re: rachel's/matmos ["phclark" ] RE: LSD [Phil Hudson ] proceed, tiny dancer [GSS ] Miss Folk America: Somerville Theater 12/2/00 [ABershaw@aol.com] RE: OT: selfishness ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] RE: Killing Me Softly. ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] Re: LSD [dmw ] RE: Killing Me Softly. [meredith ] Re: LSD [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: LSD [Joseph Zitt ] Re: LSD [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Killing Me Softly. ["glenn mcdonald" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Melissa Ferrick, Mirah - --- meredith wrote: > The best CD to start with from her, IMHO, is > _Willing To Wait_. Yeah, I don't like Massive Blur all that much either. My personal favorite is Melissa Ferrick +1 - all live, really great. Willing to Wait is also great :) I'm currently VERY into Mirah - have I already posted about her? If I did, I apologize but here I go again - Her album is called "You Think It's Like This But It's Really Like This" and it's sort of a very sparse Liz Phair-ish disc. Lots of suggestive and sometimes explicit lyrics ("the sidewalks are dirty, the gutters are dry, the summer is over, my bones are inside. This dance is difficult, this dance is hard, this makes me want to spin 'round in the yard..."), rough yet sweet voice, and lots of empty space around everything. I can't stop listening. My favorite songs are this dance, la familia ("tell me if we sleep together will it make it any better? If we sleep together would you be my friend forever?...hey friend listen up, they're playing our song on the radio, do you have to go? I really like it, this rock and roll, makes me want a little sugar in my bowl...") - Yes, I know, similar lines have been written before, but these are delivered in such a sad, plaintive way...) I believe there are sound samples at her page at http://www.kpunk.com as well as - maybe - at amazon.com. marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:56:12 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: LSD On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to > mind: > > ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo > (Jefferson) Starship > The (Silver) Beatles The only other one I can think of at the moment was The Southern Death Cult to the Cult (with possibly Death Cult in between). Not that I ever cared much... I was always waiting for Boingo to become boing (or maybe eventually, oi). neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 07:57:49 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: King Kong A friend of mine recently asked me about a band called King Kong. He said they did a bluesy punk/pop kinda thing, and they reminded him a lot of Sue Foley (who he's a big fan of). He hasn't been able to dig much up on the band, other than that they had an album out about 5 or 6 years ago. Anyone out there no anything about them? neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:39:19 -0500 From: "Marcel Kshensky" Subject: Re: rachel's/matmos I was listening to the Rachel's collaboration with matmos when this thread began. The extension/remix of the song "full on night" is not very ectoish, being all instrumentation. It's not background music and it's not too melifluous. Now if I could only figure out what it "is." - - Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:08:17 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: Another Enya album Those are excellent points. I'm not really an Enya fan, and I listened to part of her new CD at Borders one day and thought, "oh, just another Enya album". But of course that's what it is, and perhaps that's all it needs to be, even if it isn't at all exciting. It puts me in mind of nothing except background music, but that doesn't mean it's bad, right? :) I wouldn't call it jacuzzi for the mind...more like a lukewarm bath for the mind. On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:35:10 Kel Henson wrote: >heya ... > >Gotta comment on this one. I just got the album myself, and I am really >enjoying it. Beautiful melodies, and some very pleasing arrangements. I >really love the lyrics to a lot of the songs (pilgrim, flora's secret, one >by one). That said, I do have agree with Michael though, in that the album >is pretty much "The Memory of Trees - Part II". I wouldn't say it's the >same as "Shepherd Moons" though. I miss the celtic influence from that >album. > >Then I got thinking. Where exactly can Enya go with her music? I'm finding >it hard to see how she can progress and release something "creative or new". >Enya = pleasant. Enya = beauty. Enya = comforting. We get all this from >this album, and it's done very well. I don't want her to start changing her >lyrical style, or her arrangements too much. I don't want dance mixes, I >don't want experimenting if it means losing what her music gives me. >Someone once referred to Saint Etienne's "The Bad Photographer" as "a >jacuzzi for your mind." I think that applies better to Enya. > >Any comments? I could be psycho ... > >Kel. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Pearce" >To: >Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:34 AM >Subject: Another Enya album > > >> That's about all I can call it. I heard it today, fresh from a >> friend's MP3 copy, and there isn't a single thing in it that could be >> called creative or new. At best, it is a compilation of the tracks >> that were left off of the previous two because they didn't contribute >> anything. >> >> (My friend is the one who came up with the joke, "What do you get >> when you play an Enya album backwards? Another Enya album!" He >> actually did this, and it was almost true! Except for sounding a >> little odd, it could indeed be another Enya album.) >> >> I'm afraid she didn't do much better with this latest effort. >> >> Michael, who used to love her stuff to bits > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:27:31 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: rachel's/matmos FWIW, I own Rachel's catalogue, and was forced to buy it on cd to preserve my vinyl copies. My personal fave is "Songs...", followed by "Sea...", but they're all quite good. Another outfit that is "similar," also on Quarterstick, is Sonora Pine, but arguably not very ecto. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcel Kshensky" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: Re: rachel's/matmos > I was listening to the Rachel's collaboration with matmos when this thread began. The extension/remix of the song "full on night" is not very ectoish, being all instrumentation. It's not background music and it's not too melifluous. Now if I could only figure out what it "is." > - > > > Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:55:09 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: LSD Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band. The finest all-male parody band ever to wear womens' clothing on prime time TV. - -----Original Message----- From: Neal Copperman [mailto:neal@swcp.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:56 AM Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: LSD On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to > mind: > > ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo > (Jefferson) Starship > The (Silver) Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:09:40 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: proceed, tiny dancer U.S. Supreme Court strikes down drug roadblocks November 28, 2000 Web posted at: 10:42 AM EST (1542 GMT) WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday struck down as unconstitutional police roadblocks to catch drug offenders, saying they violate privacy rights. The nation's high court, by a 6-3 vote, ruled against Indianapolis, where police had erected the roadblocks in an effort to stop the flow of illegal drugs through the city. "Because the primary purpose of the Indianapolis checkpoint program is ultimately indistinguishable from the general interest in crime control, the checkpoints violate the Fourth Amendment" protection against unreasonable searches, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor declared for the court majority. At the roadblocks, police officers checked license and vehicle registrations, motorists were examined for any signs of drug use and a drug-sniffing dog walked around the outside of each stopped car. Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, the court's most conservative members, dissented. Rehnquist said the checkpoints only involved a "minimal intrusion on the privacy" of the occupants of the vehicles. http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/11/28/court.roadblocks.sc.reut/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:45:22 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Miss Folk America: Somerville Theater 12/2/00 Hi all, A friend invited me to this and although I can't go, it seemed like it would be of interest to New England Ecto-ites, so I'm passing on the info. Cheers, Alan The All New, All Star, One Night Only performance of... "M I S S F O L K A M E R I C A" DEC. 2, 2000 8:00 PM at the Somerville Theater in Davis Square. The cast includes: Catie Curtis Jennifer Kimball Kris Delmhorst Mary Gauthier Meghan Toohey Faith Soloway and many other surprise guests Six of Boston's best singer songwriters lampoon themselves and the entire music scene as they compete for the coveted crown in this twisted hybrid of musical pathos and pageant parody. Written, directed, and composed by folk rockster Faith Soloway, the Somerville Theater show is a pumped-up, muliti-media version of one in a series of her sold-out rock operas previously performed at Club Passim. This one-time-only performance will be unlike any show that has come before! A hysterical send-up of "making it" in the music scene, the show features a live rock band, "up-close-and-personal" video skits, an all-star local cast and many surprise appearances. Come share the insanity with us! December 2nd - one show only - 8:00 PM The Somerville Theater is located at 55 Davis Sq, Somerville. For more information contact the theater at 617-625-5700, or Songstreet productions at 617-628-3390. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:05:38 -0600 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: OT: selfishness I agree with Paul's comments below. My philosophy is very much based on Ayn Rand's Objectivist view. In the simplest terms, I am kind to people and do selfless things because I am selfish. I am selfish because I get something out of this behavior: companionship and love from others. np Fiona Apple - Live on KCRW - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Blair [mailto:ciriwe@phobot.net] Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 5:17 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: OT: selfishness gss replied to me: > > But what of those who sustain their own lives by their own work, > > sacrificing neither themselves nor others? > >Like subsistence farming? ...or holding a job or running a business, which is more what I had in mind. Trade is a productive activity. In an exchange, both parties seek to benefit. If there is no fraud, neither is sacrificed to the other and each earns what he gets. Bob Lovejoy posted: >Seriously, I've really gotten some cynical, cold responses to my posting. Please don't count mine among them. There's a difference between thinking that people aren't good enough to live up to the noble ideal of selflessness, and believing that selflessness isn't a noble ideal in the first place. People aren't necessarily cynics just because they have a radically different view of what virtue is. And Joe Zitt wrote: >I think the problem here is the focus on the word "selfish", which appears >to mean something very different from its common usage, again, in the >specialized jargon from which your argument appears to stem. This thread started when I disagreed with Bob Lovejoy's post upholding Service to Others over Service to Self. Later I clarified what I meant by service to self; the term "selfish" was helpful but not essential to conveying my meaning. My differences with Bob's viewpoint are substantive and not just linguistic. I did claim that the common usage of "selfishness" is incoherent and results from thoughtless use of the term; more on this below. >In common usage, again, "I see it--I want it--I'll take it" is the very >essence of selfishness, regardless of how those who for some reason want >to aggrandize the term have chosen to rework it. But why call such behavior "selfish"? The word is more than an arbitrary token for a certain class of actions; it identifies the cause of those actions as the motive of self-interest. Where is this motive evident here? The actor has a want. Is it to his interest? There is no reason to think he even cares; he just wants it. Common usage calls this behavior selfish based not on some conception of self-interest, but on a philosophy that seeks to blame the world's ills on concern for self. There's a reason why no distinct term exists for "nonpredatory self-interest"; on the common view, concern for the self just *is* disregard for others. Someone who disagrees with this premise will naturally object to such usage. But ultimately usage is secondary. As conceptions of the nature and value of the self change, usage will follow--as in fact it has over the past 30 years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:07:46 -0600 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: covers woj said: >i seem to recall that a few other bands have covered "time after time" but >the only one i can remember now is sarge (on the b-side to "stall" and >including on the odds'n'sods _distant_ as well). Eva Cassidy did a pretty good cover of "Time After Time" as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:17:28 -0600 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: Killing Me Softly. Adam K. said: >It was the highly praised and, IMHO, highly overrated Fugees who covered >"Killing Me Softly" ... I'm told that they were REALLY good before they hit >the big time, but as the rest of the material I heard also consisted of >covers done in exactly the same way, I remain unconvinced by their >greatness. I loved the Fugees version of "Killing Me Softly". I thought Lauryn Hill did an excellent (and updated) version of Roberta Flack's classic song. I was a huge fan of Roberta's as a kid, so I'm very familiar with the original. I also loved their song "Ready or Not" which has a sample of Enya's "Boadicea" from her first album. They were not really known for their covers, although they used a lot of samples like most hip-hop acts do. Although I really enjoyed the Fugees, I think that Wyclef Jean and Lauryn have gone on to bigger and better. Especially Lauryn - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a BRILLIANT album! np Tasmin Archer - Shipbuilding ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:01:10 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Killing Me Softly. On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:17:28PM -0600, Mattoon, Melanie wrote: > I loved the Fugees version of "Killing Me Softly". I thought Lauryn Hill did > an excellent (and updated) version of Roberta Flack's classic song. I was a > huge fan of Roberta's as a kid, so I'm very familiar with the original. I > also loved their song "Ready or Not" which has a sample of Enya's "Boadicea" > from her first album. They were not really known for their covers, although > they used a lot of samples like most hip-hop acts do. Although I really > enjoyed the Fugees, I think that Wyclef Jean and Lauryn have gone on to > bigger and better. Especially Lauryn - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a > BRILLIANT album! I sorta liked their "Killing Me Softly", though I could definitely have done without Wyclef's (?) "one time, two times" muttering on it. Did someone fail to tell him that the Sesame Street recording session had been cancelled? Lauryn Hill's solo album never grew on me, though I gave it a chance. But it seems that something or other about it grabbed the critics, at least. n.p. Robert Fripp: November Suite n.r. Tim Berners-Lee: Weaving the Web - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:24:58 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: LSD On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Neal Copperman wrote: > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to > > mind: > > > > ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo > > (Jefferson) Starship > > The (Silver) Beatles > > The only other one I can think of at the moment was The Southern Death > Cult to the Cult (with possibly Death Cult in between). Not that I ever > cared much... yes, there were records released under the name "death cult" similarly, after legal action forced "death star crew" to become "death comet crew" they metamorphosed into (the much less interesting) "death comet" wire -> wir - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:04:22 -0500 From: meredith Subject: RE: Killing Me Softly. Hi! Melanie footnoted: >np Tasmin Archer - Shipbuilding Now _there's_ something I haven't listened to in years. Whatever happened to her, anyway? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:37:34 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: LSD In a message dated 11/27/00 6:11:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << Actually, were I to have run across the name without knowing where it came from, I would read it as "spirals" as a noun, rather than a verb. I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to mind: ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo (Jefferson) Starship The (Silver) Beatles >> The Pixies' name was Pixies in Panoply their first few gigs. Ash Ra Tempel shortened their name to Ashra for a brief time. That's all I can think of. "And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all" - -John Lennon (commenting on Election 2000) http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan http://www.chickpages.com/musicmania/frank.joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:53:36 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: LSD Come to think of it, Talking Heads becoming The Heads may or may not be an example. On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:24:58PM -0500, dmw wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Neal Copperman wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > > > I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to > > > mind: > > > > > > ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo > > > (Jefferson) Starship > > > The (Silver) Beatles > > > > The only other one I can think of at the moment was The Southern Death > > Cult to the Cult (with possibly Death Cult in between). Not that I ever > > cared much... > > yes, there were records released under the name "death cult" > > similarly, after legal action forced "death star crew" to become "death > comet crew" they metamorphosed into (the much less interesting) "death > comet" > > wire -> wir > > > > > - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos > - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews > - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:02:36 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: LSD On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:37:34PM -0500, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > The Pixies' name was Pixies in Panoply their first few gigs. Ash Ra Tempel > shortened their name to Ashra for a brief time. That's all I can think of. This reminds me by a roundabout train of thought: does anyone know where I can find Amon Duul II's recording of "Lonely Woman" (yes, the Ornette Coleman song, uncredited and with new lyrics)? I useta have the record, and would love to find it again. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:53:20 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: Killing Me Softly. > >np Tasmin Archer - Shipbuilding > > Now _there's_ something I haven't listened to in years. > Whatever happened to her, anyway? There was a second album, called _Bloom_, in 1996. I haven't heard it, nor even ever seen a copy, but I did find the two-part UK lead (and only) single, "One More Good Night With the Boys" at some point, which has a few new b-sides as well. Both the a- and b-sides had a kind of show-tunes brassiness to them (perhaps because of Mitchell Froom's production as much as the songwriting or performances) that didn't appeal to me, personally, very much, and wasn't at all the sort of quiet, mid-Joan-Armatrading-crossed-with-early-Paula-Cole folk-pop for which I liked _Great Expectations_ so much. I haven't heard anything about her since 1996, and her web site, at www.tasminarcher.com, has suspicious error pages everywhere where there ought to be recent news... glenn ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #359 **************************