From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #357 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, November 27 2000 Volume 06 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Another Enya album ["Michael Pearce" ] re: covers ["Michael Pearce" ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Killing Me Softly. ["Adam K." ] Trekkie covers. And worse. ["Adam K." ] Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] Margo Guryan [Brian Errickson ] Re: Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide [RedWoodenBe] Re: LSD [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: Margo Guryan ["Scott S. Zimmerman" ] Re: LSD [James Gurley ] Re: OT: selfishness [Joseph Zitt ] Re: OT: selfishness [Joseph Zitt ] Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham [jjhanson@att.net] Santa Baby ["Cerquone, Suzanne" ] Re: William Shatner [James mitchell ] Response from Nettwerk ["Michael Pearce" ] Rachel's, anyone? ["Adam K." ] Re: Rachel's, anyone? [Brian Bloom ] Re: OT: selfishness ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Re: LSD [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide [meredith ] Re: Another Enya album ["Kel Henson" ] Re: LSD [Joseph Zitt ] Re: LSD [drop the holupki ] Re: Trekkie covers. And worse. [drop the holupki ] Re: covers [drop the holupki ] Re: covers [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: covers [meredith ] Re: covers [Joseph Zitt ] susan mckeown webcast [meredith ] Re: Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Nov 2000 23:34:19 -0800 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Another Enya album That's about all I can call it. I heard it today, fresh from a friend's MP3 copy, and there isn't a single thing in it that could be called creative or new. At best, it is a compilation of the tracks that were left off of the previous two because they didn't contribute anything. (My friend is the one who came up with the joke, "What do you get when you play an Enya album backwards? Another Enya album!" He actually did this, and it was almost true! Except for sounding a little odd, it could indeed be another Enya album.) I'm afraid she didn't do much better with this latest effort. Michael, who used to love her stuff to bits ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2000 23:36:45 -0800 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: re: covers At 1:55 AM -0500 11/27/00, meredith wrote: >Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide: > >Kate Bush, "Lord Of The Reedy River" I actually loved the Mary Hopkin version of this Donovan song. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 03:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *********************** Justin Bur (justin@crim.ca) *********************** ********************* Sue Trowbridge (trow@slip.net) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:22:20 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Killing Me Softly. It was the highly praised and, IMHO, highly overrated Fugees who covered "Killing Me Softly" -- thanks for singling it out and letting me know I am not alone! I first heard this on late-night radio here in London, prefaced by a dj raving on about how it was sweeping the States and was bound to be BIG here, and how incredible it was and here it was, prepare to be BLOWN AWAY...... followed by what? A passable Roberta Flack impersonation, a beat box fed through the back, and some idiot wandering around the studio going "One time.....two times". I'm told that they were REALLY good before they hit the big time, but as the rest of the material I heard also consisted of covers done in exactly the same way, I remain unconvinced by their greatness. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:30:29 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Trekkie covers. And worse. A few years ago, during a "Trekkie" night on Brit TV, they did a short little piece on the music of Trek, which included songs inspired by the series and.....crew members who'd embarked on musical careers. Complete with sound and the occasional film clips. It covered Nimoy's pop career, which I found most illogical. I'd always thought he'd spent his Trek years trying to shed the Spock image, but there he was, with Spock hairstyle, singing a little ditty about Bilbo Baggins, replete with "groovy" female dancers frugging and grooving and wearing pointed ears. It was astonishing. More astonishing were the clips of Shatner singing -- they'd dug up some old clips from the Dinah Shore show, with him massacring "How to Handle a Woman" from "Camelot" and positively gloating over the bloody remains of Harry Chapin's "Taxi". I seem to remember Yul Brynner sitting on the sofa next to Dinah, with an expression on his face that could only mean "Am I dead, yet? I really hope I'm dead. Soon." while Shatner grimaced and groaned through Chapin's song. He admitted that he couldn't carry a tune, but this didn't seem to stop him. Speaking of bad covers --- what about the Dickies? This "punk" band seemed to have quite a following here in England, but it had to be a particularly mean streak of post-modern irony that got them it. Their cover of the Banana Splits theme sounded like muppets pogo-ing high on glue, their cover of "Nights in White Satin" sounded like Sid Vicious kicking Justin Hayward's head in, and their version of Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" sounded just like....well, just like Black Sabbath, actually. Played at 78rpm's. I guess you had to be there. Glad I wasn't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:21:39 -0800 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 26 November 2000 New Guide entries added for: * The Januaries * John Renbourn & John Renbourn Group * Márta Sebestyén Changes made to the entries for: * Haris Alexiou (additional comments) * Fiona Apple (additional comments) * Joan Armatrading (additional comments) * Virginia Astley (additional comments) * Björk (additional comments) * Frank Boeijen (additional comments) * Kate Bush (additional comments) * Sheila Chandra (additional comments) * Cordelia's Dad (additional comments) * Cranes (additional comments) * Mila Drumke (additional comments) * Diamanda Galas (new album + additional comments) * Lisa Germano (additional comments) * Grace Darling (additional comments) * Veda Hille (additional comments) * Katell Keineg (additional comments) * Love Spirals Downwards (new album) * Susan McKeown (new album + additional comments) * Susan McKeown & Lindsey Horner (additional comments) * Sarah McLachlan (additional comments) * The Nields (additional comments) * Noa (additional comments) * Sinéad O'Connor (new album + additional comments) * October Project (additional comments) * Jane Siberry (new album + many additional comments) * Throwing Muses (additional comments) * Värttinä (additional comments) * Velvet Belly (additional comments) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Gilli Moon Hi.. Very neat ecto artist at www.gillimoon.com. She rocks! Siouxsie's cover of Strange Fruit is one of my faves when I think of it..Great New Orleans funeral procession style arrangement. And it was brave of her to tackle it. Anna Maria np-Siouxsie-through the looking glass Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:20:23 -0800 From: Brian Errickson Subject: Margo Guryan Samples at http://www.franklincastle.net/margo.html I'm so excited about this if she was discussed earlier forgive me for not noticing it. I got her cd "Take A Picture" on the recommendation of a friend and cannot stop listening to it. Her voice is very ethereal but layered upon funky 1960's/70's guitar. The mixture is strange and beautiful. The liner notes point out that she was the original writer of the often recorded "Sunday Morning" and "Think of Rain".The album was originally released in 1968 and is now reissued on cd. Brian np Jane Birkin- Jane Birkin (if i read french it might be subtitled a greatest hits collection) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:55:42 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide In a message dated 11/26/00 11:06:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide: Alana Davis, "32 Flavors" 10,000 Maniacs, "More Than This" >> I would just like to say YEAH RIGHT. Those were two of the best covers of 1997, and probably the 90's. The Alana cover may not be on a par with the Maniacs brilliant take on "More Than This", but if you've ever heard the original Ferry "More Than This" you'll know that 10KM's interpretation was better than the original. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:19:30 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: LSD In a message dated 11/25/00 11:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << >>While we're on the subject of Projekt, are there any Black Tape, Lycia, or Love Spirals Downward >>fans out there? >> I love LSD, and Black Tape for a Blue Girl is awfully beautiful if a bit difficult to access at time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Scott S. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Margo Guryan > I'm so excited about this if she was discussed earlier forgive me for > not noticing it. Thumbs up here too! Margo Guryan is fabulous! That album is just about all I want to listen to lately. If it wasn't from 1968 it would be best album of the year 2000 maybe. [right now I think Aislers Set holds that honor, which is a 60s extravaganza in its own way....] I have the Siesta-label import cd of margo's 'take a picture' in stock if anybody needs it. $12.25 [and more are on the way from Spain] www.tweekitten.com Curiously 2 of the 3 bonus tracks on the Siesta version are different than the bonus tracks on the U.S. issue [and conversely]... They both have 14 songs in total. and I noticed that the Japanese issue has 4 bonus tracks... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:41:29 -0800 (PST) From: James Gurley Subject: Re: LSD Actually, there's a little bit of news on LSD. I read recently on their web site (run by Ryan Lumm) [http://www.lovespirals.com/index.html] that they will shorten their name soon to "Lovespirals." I guess this is a way to distance themselves from their goth roots, but I think the change isn't so great. - --Jim On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/25/00 11:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << >>While we're on the subject of Projekt, are there any Black Tape, Lycia, > or > Love Spirals Downward > >>fans out there? >> > > I love LSD, and Black Tape for a Blue Girl is awfully beautiful if a bit > difficult to access at time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:12:51 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: OT: selfishness On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:17:13PM -0500, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > Magneto did not consider the will of others in his desire to make them > mutant. > > Seemed pretty clear to me. But here we get into the paradoxes of the self/others liberal/conservative collision: those who have the interests of others at heart are often accused of violating the will of those others for their own good. Not having read the X-Men comics, and only having seen the movie once, I'm a tad blurry on the details, but I suspect that Magneto may have thought that we all would be better off with mutant powers (though his implementation had definite problems). Similarly, we get into issues of degree when helping others. If one person stands in the way of many others being helped, to what degree is his will balanced against the others' benefit? Was it worth mutating the Senator to save thousands of mutants? Looking at it from the other side, was Spock right, in the selfist (hmm, maybe a less ambiguous term spawn by a fortunate typo) point of view, of sacrificing himself for the good of the crew? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:54 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: OT: selfishness On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 07:28:48PM -0500, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > Adolf Hitler was service to self. Big time. I suspect that Hitler might have disagreed here: he would probably have claimed that what he was doing was in service to humanity, improving (in his view) the human race as a whole by weeding out lesser elements, rather as one weeds a garden. He was utterly wrong, of course, but I suspect that he actually thought that he was serving humanity, rather than self. > Most people fall into the grey area in between, and it is my feeling that > we're all on this planet to figure out our own orientation in this matter. > If you look at the major religious teachings of history, service-to-other > messages are common. But remember the balance of self and others of which Hillel reminds us. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:19:12 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham Got to see Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham with guitarist Aiden Brennan in Denver last Saturday night, doing "Songs for the Winter Season". Susan's voice was beautiful--really gorgeous--and the setting was great--an old Church in the Washington Park neighborhood lit entirely by candlelight and Christmas lights. The highlights of the show for me were "The Snow That Melts the Soonest", and the songs from Peter and Wendy, but the whole show was excellent, and the stories were great--both Susan and Johnny have a great sense of humor. Aiden Brennan's guitar work was beautiful (as were his harmonies) but overall he took a back seat to Susan and Johnny. They ended the show with a "very very old Traditional song"--I'll Have a Blue Blue Christmas Without You mixed with Blue Moon. Susan was having a lot of fun with the vocals on both of these. Susan's latest album "Lowlands" is great by the way-- probably one of her most consistently good albums. Her voice is much warmer--on some of the earlier recordings there is a harshness in her voice that I found somewhat grating at times, but I think it has more to do with how they record her voice than her actual voice--I've never heard that harshness in concert. Peter and Wendy was the first recording where it was entirely absent. Jeff Hanson n.p. The The - Soul Mining n.r. House of Leaves - Mark Danielewski ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:52:58 -0800 From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" Subject: Santa Baby Joann wrote: >>And to tie this all in with the recent "covers" theme, no one besides Eartha Kitt should ever sing "Santa Baby.">> While I agree in theory, Holly Cole did a wonderfully sexy version a few years ago. I think Eartha would like it. ~Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:56:25 -0800 (PST) From: James mitchell Subject: Re: William Shatner A friend of mine has the Transformed Man CD. It is truly awe-inspiring in its badness. The way he covers Mr. Tamborine Man makes it sound like a sort of odd dirge. Addl.y, if you haven't checked out Nimoy's poetry, you owe it to yourself to do so. It is in a class by itself. An example: I I am I am ready I am ready to give I am ready to give and recieve I am ready to give and revieve love. I even memorized that classic. Its great at parties. - -J - --- Sue Trowbridge wrote: > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 breinheimer@webtv.net wrote: > > > My personal fave is Mr. Shatner who earnestly emotes > > the lyrics(and we all know what a great actor he is). > > I would imagine that the originals are only available on hard > > to find used vinyl. If they have been released on cd somebody is > either > > really cool or really crazy. > > Believe it or not, Shatner's music *has* been released on CD. It is > currently available on a CD called SPACED OUT, which combines some of > his, > er, "best" tracks with songs from Leonard Nimoy's albums (including > my two > favorite Nimoy cuts, "Highly Illogical" and "The Ballad of Bilbo > Baggins"). Shatner's THE TRANSFORMED MAN was rereleased on CD a few > years > ago, but appears to be out of print now. A copy is currently for sale > on > eBay and amazingly enough, there are no bidders yet ;) > > --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california > trow@slip.net * http://www.interbridge.com Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2000 14:00:23 -0800 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Response from Nettwerk I got this in response to a letter I sent Netwerk a couple of weeks ago. Guess Polly hasn't been in on the other correspondence from ecto readers. Michael >X-Sender: demos@mailhost.nettwerk.com (Unverified) >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:32:55 -0800 >To: "Michael Pearce" >From: Polly Greenwood >Subject: Re: A new artist for you - Happy Rhodes > >>I can't think of a better label for Happy Rhodes to be on than >>Netwerk. Now that Samson Records has dropped the ball (so badly, >>too!), why don't you pick her up? >> >>Her unique talent would seem to fit right in with your >>artistic/corporate attitude. >> >>Michael > >Hi there, >Please send your demo to: > >Polly Greenwood @ Nettwerk >1650 W 2nd Ave >Vancouver, BC >V6J 4R3 >Canada > >You can check out our demo policy at >http://www.nettweb.com/nettcetera/demos.html. > >*Please give your cd a low dollar value for Canada customs if you are sending >your demo from anywhere outside Canada. > >Cheers, >Polly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:01:46 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: Rachel's, anyone? Doncha just love Christmas shopping, and the excuse it gives you to buy stuff for yourself? Ummm, well, that's what happens to me. Today, trawling for ideas, I picked up Melissa Ferrick's "Massive Blur", my first cd from her, from a place in Soho for a couple of quid. Haven't heard it all the way through, but it seems all right. Meanwhile, I also picked up something called Selenography by Rachel's. Anyone heard of them? I was intrigued because when Veda Hille played London, the critic from Time Out compared her to them. I'm listening to it now, and it seems very gentle, very beautiful ---- instrumentals, ebbing and flowing. Anyone know anything about them? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:17:07 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Rachel's, anyone? I have Rachel's "Music For Egon Schiele". Nice moody modern chamber music... Neat artwork and packaging too... I'd be interested in hearing about other titles from her(them?) Brian At 10:01 PM 11/27/2000 +0000, Adam K. wrote: >Doncha just love Christmas shopping, and the excuse it gives you to buy stuff >for yourself? Ummm, well, that's what happens to me. Today, trawling for >ideas, I picked up Melissa Ferrick's "Massive Blur", my first cd from her, >from a place in Soho for a couple of quid. Haven't heard it all the way >through, but it seems all right. > >Meanwhile, I also picked up something called Selenography by Rachel's. Anyone >heard of them? I was intrigued because when Veda Hille played London, the >critic from Time Out compared her to them. I'm listening to it now, and it >seems very gentle, very beautiful ---- instrumentals, ebbing and flowing. > >Anyone know anything about them? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:10:04 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: OT: selfishness - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Zitt" > On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 07:28:48PM -0500, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > > > Adolf Hitler was service to self. Big time. > > I suspect that Hitler might have disagreed here: he would probably have > claimed that what he was doing was in service to humanity, improving > (in his view) the human race as a whole by weeding out lesser elements, I'm trying to end my involvement in this thread, but I have to jump in one more time: In the sixties, we had a way of paraphrasing the Golden Rule: "Do your own thing, but don't lay your trip on those that don't want it". Hitler (& Magneto) did not ask if the Jews wanted to be exterminated (Or normal folks made into mutants). He took it upon himself and acted without the consent of those whose lives he affected so horribly. Thinking you have a noble purpose is one thing, but just going out there and adversely affecting the lives of others without their consent is Selfish. Again, seems pretty clear to me. RL, hoping this is his final post on the subject. NP - Happy Rhodes "O Holy Night" from The Keep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:13:03 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: LSD In a message dated 11/27/00 7:41:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, jmg@serv.net writes: << Actually, there's a little bit of news on LSD. I read recently on their web site (run by Ryan Lumm) [http://www.lovespirals.com/index.html] that they will shorten their name soon to "Lovespirals." I guess this is a way to distance themselves from their goth roots, but I think the change isn't so great. >> I agree, Lovespirals? Spirals where? In addition, we won't have the irony of the LSD abbreviation. But hey, Massive Attack shortened their name to Massive for a while, then brought it back, so maybe this is how things will turn out for LSD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:51:07 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide Hi! RedWoodenBeads exclaimed: >I would just like to say YEAH RIGHT. Why am I not surprised by this? >Those were two of the best covers of >1997, and probably the 90's. The Alana cover may not be on a par with the >Maniacs brilliant take on "More Than This", but if you've ever heard the >original Ferry "More Than This" you'll know that 10KM's interpretation was >better than the original. I *have* heard the original Ferry "More Than This". Since it was a new release, in fact. And that's precisely why I put the 10KM version on my list. It's bland, uninteresting, and adds absolutely nothing to the song, as a good cover should do. 10KM had a good track records with covers up until that point, which is also why that one was so disappointing. I would've had "Peace Train" on my "best covers" list, if it hadn't been brought up already. "Hello In There" and "Don't Go Back To Rockville" weren't half bad, either. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:18:01 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Rachel's, anyone? Hi! Adam noted: At 10:01 PM 11/27/00 -0000, you wrote: >Doncha just love Christmas shopping, and the excuse it gives you to buy stuff >for yourself? Ummm, well, that's what happens to me. Today, trawling for >ideas, I picked up Melissa Ferrick's "Massive Blur", my first cd from her, >from a place in Soho for a couple of quid. Haven't heard it all the way >through, but it seems all right. The best CD to start with from her, IMHO, is _Willing To Wait_. I was incredibly turned off by _Massive Blur_, and couldn't understand why people on ecto were going so nuts over her. Then I heard a song from _Willing To Wait_ on the radio, and I've been an unabashed Ferrick fan ever since. >Meanwhile, I also picked up something called Selenography by Rachel's. Anyone >heard of them? I was intrigued because when Veda Hille played London, the >critic from Time Out compared her to them. I'm listening to it now, and it >seems very gentle, very beautiful ---- instrumentals, ebbing and flowing. They're wonderful. Chuck or woj could probably provide a bit more information than I can -- all I know is I love their discs when we have the chance to listen to them. Moody, atmospheric, lots of cellos ... wonderful grey autumn afternoon music. >Anyone know anything about them? There is a website at . They were touring in the US last month - they played at the Knitting Factory in NYC on Halloween, but alas I was out of town so I couldn't go. :( +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:35:10 -0500 From: "Kel Henson" Subject: Re: Another Enya album heya ... Gotta comment on this one. I just got the album myself, and I am really enjoying it. Beautiful melodies, and some very pleasing arrangements. I really love the lyrics to a lot of the songs (pilgrim, flora's secret, one by one). That said, I do have agree with Michael though, in that the album is pretty much "The Memory of Trees - Part II". I wouldn't say it's the same as "Shepherd Moons" though. I miss the celtic influence from that album. Then I got thinking. Where exactly can Enya go with her music? I'm finding it hard to see how she can progress and release something "creative or new". Enya = pleasant. Enya = beauty. Enya = comforting. We get all this from this album, and it's done very well. I don't want her to start changing her lyrical style, or her arrangements too much. I don't want dance mixes, I don't want experimenting if it means losing what her music gives me. Someone once referred to Saint Etienne's "The Bad Photographer" as "a jacuzzi for your mind." I think that applies better to Enya. Any comments? I could be psycho ... Kel. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Pearce" To: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:34 AM Subject: Another Enya album > That's about all I can call it. I heard it today, fresh from a > friend's MP3 copy, and there isn't a single thing in it that could be > called creative or new. At best, it is a compilation of the tracks > that were left off of the previous two because they didn't contribute > anything. > > (My friend is the one who came up with the joke, "What do you get > when you play an Enya album backwards? Another Enya album!" He > actually did this, and it was almost true! Except for sounding a > little odd, it could indeed be another Enya album.) > > I'm afraid she didn't do much better with this latest effort. > > Michael, who used to love her stuff to bits ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:29:31 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: LSD On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 06:13:03PM -0500, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > I agree, Lovespirals? Spirals where? In addition, we won't have the irony of > the LSD abbreviation. But hey, Massive Attack shortened their name to Massive > for a while, then brought it back, so maybe this is how things will turn out > for LSD. Actually, were I to have run across the name without knowing where it came from, I would read it as "spirals" as a noun, rather than a verb. I wonder how many other bands have cut their names short. Some come to mind: ((The Mystic Knights of) Oingo) Boingo (Jefferson) Starship The (Silver) Beatles - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:15:48 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Re: LSD when we last left our heroes, Joseph Zitt exclaimed: >On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 06:13:03PM -0500, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >> I agree, Lovespirals? Spirals where? In addition, we won't have the irony of >> the LSD abbreviation. > >Actually, were I to have run across the name without knowing where it >came from, I would read it as "spirals" as a noun, rather than a verb. not to mention that it could lead to confusion with labelmates loveliescrushing. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:28:48 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Re: Trekkie covers. And worse. when we last left our heroes, Adam K. exclaimed: >Speaking of bad covers --- what about the Dickies? This "punk" band seemed to >have quite a following here in England, but it had to be a particularly mean >streak of post-modern irony that got them it. um, adam, they're a punk band! covering songs with tongue firmly in cheek is what they do! it's a time-honored punk tradition. they (and the multitutidous unholy host of other punk bands who have done covers) are not applying post-modern irony to these songs. they're taking tunes, many of which were the antithesis of the punk movement, and recasting them in a different light. heck, i'd say that punk covers are sometimes the most creative since transforming a song from something you swoon to to something you pogo to isn't always as straight-forward as you might think. yeah, there's often a big sneer involved, but there's also some respect as well. granted, the dickies are sort of the court jesters of punk and their covers may be more tongue-through-cheek than tongue-in-sheek...but i sure think they pull it off. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:43:17 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Re: covers when we last left our heroes, meredith exclaimed: >Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide: > >Whatever hip-hop person/group is currently dismembering Cyndi Lauper's >"Time After Time" on top-40 radio wasn't "time after time" co-written by rob hyman (of the hooters) and rick chertoff? cyndi was the first person to record it but i think her version is, technically, a cover. i seem to recall that a few other bands have covered "time after time" but the only one i can remember now is sarge (on the b-side to "stall" and including on the odds'n'sods _distant_ as well). woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:03:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: covers woj sez: > wasn't "time after time" co-written by rob hyman (of the hooters) and rick > chertoff? cyndi was the first person to record it but i think her version > is, technically, a cover. close, but not quite...Chertoff produced it, but it was cowritten by Rob Hyman and Cyndi herself (or so say the songwriting credits). The whole _She's So Unusual_ album was in many ways a collaboration between Cyndi and half of the Hooters (Eric Bazillian having a major hand in the album as well). jeff (who just about swooned over albums like _She's So Unusual_ and _Nervous Night_ when they came out in the early 80's...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:04:26 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: covers Hi! woj wondered: >wasn't "time after time" co-written by rob hyman (of the hooters) and rick >chertoff? cyndi was the first person to record it but i think her version >is, technically, a cover. According to cyndilauper.com (I guess *that* was inevitable): "Time After Time" Written by: Cyndi Lauper and Rob Heyman Produced by: Rick Certoff I would say that would make her version technically the original, no? What exactly is the definition of a cover, anyway? To pull an example from the realm of fantasy: say Mary Margaret O'Hara writes a song for Holly Cole, without recording it herself. Holly Cole is the first one to record it. A couple years later, Jane Siberry releases a version of that same song on one of her own albums. The Jane version is obviously a cover, but is the Holly Cole version a cover too, since she didn't write the song, although she was the first to record it? In my mind the answer to that is no, but I've picked up a few things in the discussion here that would indicate others feel differently. True? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:26:10 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: covers On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:43:17PM -0500, drop the holupki wrote: > when we last left our heroes, meredith exclaimed: > > >Moving on to covers that are toeing the line of musicide: > > > >Whatever hip-hop person/group is currently dismembering Cyndi Lauper's > >"Time After Time" on top-40 radio > > wasn't "time after time" co-written by rob hyman (of the hooters) and rick > chertoff? cyndi was the first person to record it but i think her version > is, technically, a cover. According to the liner notes to Miles Davis's "You're Under Arrest", on which he covers it, it's attributed to Rick and Cyndi (though I recall that the originalwas produced by Chertoff). > i seem to recall that a few other bands have covered "time after time" but > the only one i can remember now is sarge (on the b-side to "stall" and > including on the odds'n'sods _distant_ as well). There are also covers by Miles (mentioned above) and by Eva Cassidy. There may be a comprehensive list of covers at http://member.nifty.ne.jp/misaki_kaoru/time.html or it may be something else :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:12:30 -0500 From: meredith Subject: susan mckeown webcast Hi! This won't help the Digest folks much (though this will be archived and downloadable in a few days, supposedly), but Susan McKeown is on WNYC's New Sounds program as I type. Go to http://www.wnyc.org and you can get the stream from there (though it uses Windows Media Player, bleagh :P). She's being interviewed and playing songs. Good stuff. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:30:42 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham Hi! The stream on WNYC reminded me that I hadn't yet responded to this. Jeff noted: >Got to see Susan McKeown and Johnny Cunningham with >guitarist Aiden Brennan in Denver last Saturday >night, doing "Songs for the Winter Season". This tour is continuing all over the place, including at the Kuumbwa Jazz Center in Santa Cruz (site of Ectofest West!) this Thursday, 11/28. Lots of other CA dates are on the list, too. Everything is at http://www.susanmckeown.com/smktour.shtml. She'll be on NPR's A Prairie Home Companion on December 9th, too. Pretty cool! >Susan's latest album "Lowlands" is great by the way-- >probably one of her most consistently good albums. I agree. There's not a weak track on the disc. >Her voice is much warmer--on some of the earlier >recordings there is a harshness in her voice that I >found somewhat grating at times, but I think it >has more to do with how they record her voice than her >actual voice--I've never heard that harshness in >concert. Peter and Wendy was the first recording >where it was entirely absent. I think you're exactly right. I know that in the past she has had to make compromises regarding which takes she had to use on the final product, either due to time constraints or other factors. This has led to some of her a cappella tracks sounding shouted rather than sung. A couple tracks on _Lowlands_ toe the line, but they never cross over to the land of the "skip" button. _Lowlands_ is going to be *very* high on my list of top albums of the year. And I can't wait to see Susan perform again next month. (woj and I will definitely be at the Towne Crier on 12/15, and possibly at the University of Hartford two days later as well. Anyone else?) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #357 **************************