From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #354 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, November 25 2000 Volume 06 : Number 354 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Death Penalty [indedamon 2000 ] Re: Covers [indedamon 2000 ] Re: Death Penalty [indedamon 2000 ] Kevin Rowland (Re: Covers) ["Marcel Rijs" ] re: covers [Steve I ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #353 [breinheimer@webtv.net] Turn, turn, turn... [dave ] Re: covers [Joseph Zitt ] re: covers [Greg Dunn ] Re: Turn, turn, turn... ["Russ Van Rooy" ] William Shatner [Sue Trowbridge ] Nettwerk Christmas ["Suzanna Otting" ] Re: Happy Rhodes and Projekt ["ReNeEz DaBoMb" ] Re: Wooden Ships (was: RE: covers) [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Stereolab/Portishead/Sioux fans take note. [Craig Gidney Subject: Re: Death Penalty Phil Hudson wrote: > > Drewh said > >>> We don't sentence rapists to be raped. > > Actually, we do; if they go to jail, they probably will be. > > But as rape is really all about power and not sex, depends on the rape. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 04:51:50 -0500 From: indedamon 2000 Subject: Re: Covers "Cerquone, Suzanne" wrote: > > Joe Zitt wrote of his fave covers: > > >>Donna Summer: State of Independence (Jon Anderson/Vangelis)<< > > Joe, have you ever heard Chrissie Hynde's version? It's fantastic - a little less disco-y than Summer's, but a bit more techno-y than the original. I'm not sure if you can still find it - it's under the band name of "Moodswings." > that's a moodswings cover. they are/were a group like delerium, a syntheisized instrumental project with female vocalist[s] as guests. the cover was on their first disc, moodfood. others= dave stewart and barbara gaskin did a nifty cover of dylan's subteranean homesick blues. and, someone mentioned a coverof tommorow never knows[?]. whatever it's called, the chameleons did a bang up cover of it too. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:07:32 -0500 From: indedamon 2000 Subject: Re: Death Penalty Robert Lovejoy wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "indedamon 2000" > > > when you meet the buddha, kill the buddha. > > Wow, there's an enlightened first step. Thanks for your compassion. It's > no wonder our society is so bent. it's an old buddhist saying. > > serving oneslef is serving others. > > Yep, and freedom is slavery. I remember this doublespeak from Brave New > World. also from buddhism. esp zen. zen calls them koans, but zen is by nomeans the only buddhist sect which utilizes such doublespeak. > > serving oneself does not mean one > > loses empathy, a true narcissist would lack > > the anger involved in murder. > > Narciisism and selfishness are different things. that may be, and it's an easy enough distinction to conceed to. however, the conversation had been arguing the various aspects of selfishness. narcissism is one such facet. > > murderers can get out before pot growers. > > And that stinks! really. > Seriously, I've really gotten some cynical, cold responses to my posting. mine wasn't cynical so much as buddhist. most buddhist sects do indeed preach against death, and maintain negative karma results from it. however, zen, at the least doesn't, and there is the sense that actions follow naturally from eacho ther. for zen, killing would be okay, as long as it isn't done out of anger, or pleasure. > All I can say is I'm sorry we disagree. Who's to say who is right or wrong? > I have to live by my own beliefs, and everyone else should be free to live > by theirs as long as no one else gets hurt by them. If compassion and care > for others is a bad thing in your eyes, I'm really sorry for you as a human > being, but that's just me. > not bad, uneccessary. i get no pleasure out of most acts of alturism that i do. yet i do them anyway, for a lot of reasons, including karmic. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:32:39 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Kevin Rowland (Re: Covers) Hi all, While we're on the subject of covers on this list, I'd like to focus your attention towards Kevin Rowland. He's released an excellent album called "My beauty" in October last year, consisting of 12 covers. Well, 11 actually, because Bruce Springsteen objected to his cover of "Thunder road", hence only 11 tracks on the commercial version of the album. (Luckily, I have the original promo). A lot of the attention for this album was focused on the cover, because the former Dexy's Midnight Runners's frontman dressed himself in "dresses for men", as he described it, leading magazines like Q (UK) to conclude that the man was in some serious midlife crisis. This in turn made me aware of the album and I was finally able to buy that promo in London where I was last month. The album is touching, bordering on kitsch in some places but also so well produced and so carefully sung that it can repeatedly get a lump into your throat when you least expect it. If you know a little about Kevin's troubled years with identity crises and drug abuse, the lyrics especially are so well chosen. From "The greatest love of all" to "Concrete and clay" and "Daydream believer", it's a wonderful pick-me-up-when-I'm-down-kinda-album. Kevin has a very pleasing voice that skillfully wraps itself around the various melodies. You should be able to find the album on some Internet shops, and if you're in London, promo's can be found in most Music & Video Exchanges for very nice prices. I'd love to hear from others regarding this album, because I am convinced that the music has been overlooked in favour of narrowminded scandalizations. Kind regards, Marcel Rijs afd. Communicatie marcel.rijs@kb.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:32:48 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: re: covers On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, dmw wrote: (re: Emm Gryner covering Def Leppard) >sounding idiotic (well, maybe he didn't). There's nothing campy or ironic >about Gryner's delivery, but somehow she makes the song sound a lot less >stupid than it ever sounded to me before. " Emm's really good at that. She gives Ozzy's "Crazy Train" the same treatment, and whenever she plays that song people go, well, crazy (after spending a while trying to figure out where they've heard that song before). She included it once on a free cassette giveaway to fans on her mailing list, you might be able to find it on some file sharing service. She has a certain reverence for "all things 80's", as she would put it. It's definitely one of my favourite covers. Others: The Nields - "Black Boys on Mopeds" (Sinead O'Connor) Sarah McLachlan - "Dear God" (XTC) Sarah Slean - "Lilac Wine" (err... ahh...) Sarah Harmer - "My Invitation" (Sarah Slean) Sarah Polley - "Courage" (Tragically Hip) Jennifer Warnes - "Famous Blue Raincoat" (Leonard Cohen) Tory Cassis - "Time" (Tom Waits) Heather Nova - "Like a Hurricane" (Neil Young) Tori Amos - "A Case of You" (Joni Mitchell) Do standards and show tunes count? Jewel - "Summertime" Holly Cole - "I Can See Clearly Now" Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #353 As Voltaire once said: "Bonjour". Having just seen the referance to William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy in the latest thread I'm guessing that no one has mentioned the "Golden Throats" tapes released on Rhino records. These are a brilliant pair of compilations in which celebraties(Jack Webb and Mae West among others) coverered popular tunes of the time. The results are to music what Ed Wood was to film,which makes them must own and a good way to get rid of unwanted visitors. My personal fave is Mr. Shatner who earnestly emotes the lyrics(and we all know what a great actor he is). These releases(Shatner's) seem the likely inspiration for his current Priceline.com ads. It would appear that either Mr. Shatner is so secure that he can poke fun at himself on national tv or his ego is so huge(this would jive with some public accounts) that he takes it seriously. I would imagine that the originals are only available on hard to find used vinyl. If they have been released on cd somebody is either really cool or really crazy. I'm not even certain about the availability of the Rhino compilations as it is my understsnding that Rhino has been reduced to a handful of people working out of an office. It seems that they were bought up by a company only interested in their production equipment and not their product. Oh, yeah. As for great covers let's not forget the Hardly Worthit Players(featuring Chet Hardly and David Worthit) covering Wild Thing. Now that's entertainment np-Project Lo-Black Canvas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:55:49 -0500 From: dave Subject: Turn, turn, turn... Thus spoke Wayne: > Two of the best covers ever - and by the same band. The Byrds' "Mr. > Tambourine Man" (Dylan) and "Turn, Turn, Turn" (Pete Seger?). Turn, Turn, Turn would be a cover of Pete Seeger's cover of Ecclesiates 3:1-8 I find that Bob Mould of H|sker D| covered that one too, live, in a medley with Hey, Carrie Anne and Norweigan Wood. Ok.. two more: Frente - Bizarre Love Triangle, Heidi Berry - Darkness Darkness. np: Iris DeMent - My Life dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:20:22 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: covers On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 03:37:45PM -0500, dmw wrote: > Here are some more covers to check out: > > "Keep on Loving You" - The Donnas I have a really good cover of this (I think it's this -- not at home to check) by Dweezil Zappa and Lisa Loeb. Yeah. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:18:17 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: re: covers >Emm's really good at that. She gives Ozzy's "Crazy Train" the same >treatment, and whenever she plays that song people go, well, crazy >(after spending a while trying to figure out where they've heard >that song before). I heard her perform it at a living room concert, and it was definitely worth being at the show just to hear. Amazing. - -- | Greg Dunn | You dream about her, can't you | | gregdunn@indy.net | see? She's only shining bright | | The Sultan of Slack(tm) | 'cause she's so out of reach | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Heather Nova | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:19:04 -0800 From: "Russ Van Rooy" Subject: Re: Turn, turn, turn... Husker Du also covered The Byrds "Eight Miles High" and the theme song from the Mary Tyler Moore show "Love is All Around". I don't really recommend their "Eight Miles High" cover except for hardcore Husker fans ,but their take on "Love is All Around" is quite pleasent. Another great band that did an album of covers is The Church who released a record called 'A Box of Birds' with covers including Television's (Tom Verlaine) "Friction", David Bowie's "All the Young Dudes" and Neil Young's "Cortez the Killer". - - Russ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 7:55 AM Subject: Turn, turn, turn... > Thus spoke Wayne: > > Two of the best covers ever - and by the same band. The Byrds' "Mr. > > Tambourine Man" (Dylan) and "Turn, Turn, Turn" (Pete Seger?). > > Turn, Turn, Turn would be a cover of Pete Seeger's cover of Ecclesiates > 3:1-8 > > I find that Bob Mould of H|sker D| covered that one too, live, in a > medley with Hey, Carrie Anne and Norweigan Wood. > > Ok.. two more: Frente - Bizarre Love Triangle, Heidi Berry - Darkness > Darkness. > > np: Iris DeMent - My Life > > dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: William Shatner On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 breinheimer@webtv.net wrote: > My personal fave is Mr. Shatner who earnestly emotes > the lyrics(and we all know what a great actor he is). > I would imagine that the originals are only available on hard > to find used vinyl. If they have been released on cd somebody is either > really cool or really crazy. Believe it or not, Shatner's music *has* been released on CD. It is currently available on a CD called SPACED OUT, which combines some of his, er, "best" tracks with songs from Leonard Nimoy's albums (including my two favorite Nimoy cuts, "Highly Illogical" and "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins"). Shatner's THE TRANSFORMED MAN was rereleased on CD a few years ago, but appears to be out of print now. A copy is currently for sale on eBay and amazingly enough, there are no bidders yet ;) - --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california trow@slip.net * http://www.interbridge.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:13:31 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Nettwerk Christmas Has anyone picked up the new Nettwerk compilation, "Christmas Songs"? I'm curious about how it sounds, particularly the tracks by Dido and Tara MacLean. Suzanna Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:26:27 -0600 From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes and Projekt I personally LOVE Black Tape.... and Lycia.... I have a lot of projekt stuff... Cool - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Suzanna Otting" Reply-To: excelsis@angelfire.com Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:57:14 -0800 >While we're on the subject of Projekt, are there any Black Tape, Lycia, or Love Spirals Downward >fans out there? I recently picked up "Excelsis, A Dark Noel" (the title caught my eye) which I believe includes songs by all three of those groups. It is also the best Christmas album I have ever listened to. Really. So far, anyway. The cover of "Welcome Christmas" (from the original Grinch movie!) by Love Spirals Downward was especially good. I recommend it. Suzanna Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com - -- ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! - -- - ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: "Suzanna Otting" Reply-To: excelsis@angelfire.com Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:57:14 -0800 >While we're on the subject of Projekt, are there any Black Tape, Lycia, or Love Spirals Downward >fans out there? I recently picked up "Excelsis, A Dark Noel" (the title caught my eye) which I believe includes songs by all three of those groups. It is also the best Christmas album I have ever listened to. Really. So far, anyway. The cover of "Welcome Christmas" (from the original Grinch movie!) by Love Spirals Downward was especially good. I recommend it. Suzanna Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2000 14:27:27 -0800 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Wooden Ships (was: RE: covers) At 1:55 AM -0500 11/23/00, kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) wrote: > Hi, A) Wooden Ships wasn't on Blows Against The Empire, it was on >Volunteers. B) The song was written by CS and Paul Kantner who had bad >problems with his record company and had to keep his name off it. Is it >still a cover if both groups had a part in writing it? I have >(somewhere) a mono video of Crosby, Stills and Grace Slick doing it live >on G Nash's TV show. bye, Wow! That is obscure history. Thanks for the correction. If you ever find the video, I'd love to borrow it, but I think Oz does not use the NTSC format, right? Maybe a QT of it. This is worth sharing. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:55:10 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Wooden Ships (was: RE: covers) Hi, re: mono vid tape: Where ever it is it is in (slow play) slp, ep, etc. This is webtv at my end and I can't do anything about sending video, or even stills: I am old "Classic" webtv. Sorry, KrW KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Stereolab/Portishead/Sioux fans take note. The band Broadcast has a beautiful voiced singer that sounds sorta Sioux (in that she's icy and detached). The music sounds like a cross between Portishead and Stereolab, with a wee bit o' Pram thrown in for good measure. Spooky-ooky! http://www.broadcast.uk.net - --Craig ===== Craig L. Gidney http://profiles.yahoo.com/quisquose11 Reviews of books and music, http://www.egroups.com/group/Ethereality Yahoo! 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