From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #349 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 06 : Number 349 Today's Subjects: ----------------- covers ["Adam K." ] Re: by what standard? [indedamon 2000 ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #348 ["kleinpc" ] Re: favourite covers ["Marcel Rijs" ] Re: favourite covers ["glenn mcdonald" ] Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk ["Suzanna Otting" ] Re: Covers that redefine the originals? [Brian Bloom ] Re: Covers that redefine the originals? [Ian Clysdale ] RE: covers ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] RE: Covers that redefine the originals? [Phil Hudson ] Covers ["Cerquone, Suzanne" ] Re: Covers [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk [vylette ] Re: Covers [GSS ] Re: Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk [Damon ] Re: Covers [Neal Copperman ] Re: Covers [Neal Copperman ] Re: covers [Neal Copperman ] RE: there but by the grace of god go i [Phil Hudson ] Re: "more covers" ["Suzanna Otting" ] Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara covers [Richard ] Re: "more covers" [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: there but by the grace of god go i ["Robert Lovejoy" ] RE: there but by the grace of god go i [drop the holupki ] Most terrible covers [Chuck Davis ] Re: there but by the grace of god go i [Joseph Zitt ] Re: there but by the grace of god go i [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: OT: selfishness [Paul Blair ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:50:19 -0000 From: "Adam K." Subject: covers I'm running about two days behind everyone, and I apologise -- I've just finished some mad hours, and never got to sit down and even READ the last few digests, let alone respond. However --- I'd just like to put in a vote for Laura Love's cover version of Nirvana's "Come as You Are" on her "Octaroon" cd. It's just her voice, her bass guitar, and that's all. It's a smokey, sinister, utterly thrilling version. On the same cd she also does a mean cover of "Amazing Grace". I'd also cite the Indigo Girls, who can cover a song like nobody else. Their "Midnight Train to Georgia", while a baffling choice for them, is a great concert piece, and their cover of Buffy Saint-Marie's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" is a stunner. They also do a blinding version of Dylan's "Tangled Up in Blue" (all these are on their live cd) I guess the ultimate accolade for a cover is when it becomes THE definitive version ---- so it's another vote from me for the Talking Heads' "Take Me to the River" (I found out recently that Foghat also covered it, before the Heads) I'd also like to give a BIG second to 801's version of "Tomorrow Never Knows". That album is one of the BEST live albums, and I was thrilled when, having played my vinyl to death, I found the cd version. Oh, and of course Dar Williams' cover of "Better Days". Definitely. Perhaps a vote for 10,000 Maniacs doing a decent job of "Because the Night" and Bjork's cover of the old "It's So Quiet"? np: Best of Warren Zevon nr: The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:06:44 -0500 From: indedamon 2000 Subject: Re: by what standard? RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/13/00 11:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << Everyone should be entitled to love as > they choose as long as its between consenting adults. > << > > First of all I would like to say that this is in no way intended as a jab at > anyone's sexual orientations, in fact far from it, I am simply using this > statement to bring up a fairly general philisophical question. > > You hear these phrases like "anyone should be entitled to love as they choose > as long as its between consenting adults" and "that is the right thing to do > because it is moral" and "It's alright to do as long as no one is harmed by > it". I have just always wondered, by what standard? Religious people say > things like "well, because God says so" and things like that, but what if you > don't believe in God? Then what makes anything wrong and anything right other > than we might prefer a certain type of behaviour over another in our society? > How is it that charitable work is any better than theft other than the fact > that almost anyone tends to see charitable work as being a more admirable > activity? Is everything we see as right and wrong really just because humans > beings made it that way, yes. glad to clear that up for you. - -- "Neither Bush nor Gore is President. As reassuring as that is, it can't last." Bill Maher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 04:37:33 -0500 From: "kleinpc" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #348 One of my fav covers is Human Drama's cover of Leonard Cohen's song Who By Fire. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:23:40 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Re: favourite covers Hi, From the top of my head..... from past to present.... "No regrets" - Midge Ure (originally by the Walker Brothers) "Riders on the storm" - Annabel Lamb (the Doors) "Gone" - Martin L Gore (?) "Who knows where the time goes" - Julianne Regan from All About Eve (with Fairport Convention, so strictly speaking it's not really a cover, but Julianne takes Sandy Denny's place so well...) "Solsbury hill" - Sarah McLachlan (Peter Gabriel) "Rocket man" - Kate Bush (Elton John) "Thank you" - Tori Amos (Led Zeppelin) (This one actually made me cry and I used to think Robert Plant was crying and mostly whining on the original....) "Material girl" - Noa (Madonna) (Very funny cover!) "View to a kill" - Gob (Duran Duran) "The man in the child in his eyes" - Velvet Belly (KaTe) Kind regards, Marcel Rijs afd. Communicatie marcel.rijs@kb.nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:15:58 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: favourite covers > "No regrets" - Midge Ure (originally by the Walker Brothers) Originally by Tom Rush, actually. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:56:26 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk Further speculation on the career of Happy Rhodes...I think she should be picked up by the Nettwerk label. She is certainly their kind of music, and better than most of it. That's all for now. Suzanna np: Rhodes I Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:20:04 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Covers that redefine the originals? Have I missed it or has no one yet mentioned ' (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction' performed by Devo? Sadly, I heard this version long before I heard the Rolling Stones sing it, and thought to myself "gee, the Stones sure are butchering this song!" ;) moo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:32:32 -0500 From: Ian Clysdale Subject: Re: Covers that redefine the originals? On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 08:20:04AM -0800, Brian Bloom wrote: > Have I missed it or has no one yet mentioned ' (I Can't Get > No) Satisfaction' performed by Devo? > > Sadly, I heard this version long before I heard the Rolling Stones sing it, > and thought to myself "gee, the Stones sure are butchering this song!" ;) Or for truly butchered Devo covers, there's their cover of "Head Like a Hole" by NiN, on the soundtrack to some Jacky Chan movie whose title I've now forgotten. Now *that* was frightening. ian. (n.p. Voltaire - The Devil's Bris) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:02 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Mary Margaret O'Hara covers This Mortal Coil covered "Help Me Lift You Up" and Cowboy Junkies covered "You Will Be Loved Again". Does anyone know of anymore? Joe http://www.angelfire.com/musicmania/frank.joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:05:59 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: new video for David Gray's "Babylon" A second video has been made for David Gray's "Babylon", and it is really awful. The original video was sparse, desolate, and included the faces of a multitude of interesting people. The new version is Dave on stage in a jean jacket with an audience before him shouting out the chorus. It's totally comercial and really boring. Also, the record label credit now says "RCA/ATO" instead of just "ATO". Does anyone know what the deal is? Has RCA acquired some distribution rights to David Gray's new album and are now forcing him to make a really stupid video in an effort to sell more records? Joe http://www.angelfire.com/musicmania/frank.joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:55 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: Historical Irony In a message dated 11/19/00 11:04:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << As fate would have it, Thomas More (cf. the post by RedWoodenBeads) actually _was_ executed, for refusing to go along with certain power grabs by Henry VIII. The whole affair was the subject of the play and movie _A Man for All Seasons_. >> Yes, Henry VIII wanted all of the "churchmen" in England to sign a document stating that Henry VIII was Head of "The Church of England". Thomas More was the only one who refused and because Henry was such a caring guy, he executed him. I admire Thomas More's refusal to back down from his convictions, even to the point of death. That's really amazing, when someone will actually go to their death rather than denounce the things that mean the most to them. It would've been so easy for him to simply sign that paper. His daughter even begged him to do so, saying "Sign a lie onto paper and keep the truth in your heart". Yet still, he wouldn't do it. It's unreal. What makes someone do something like that? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:12:24 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara covers Holly Cole has recorded a copy of MMO songs-- Christmas Trees and Holly Leaves on Treasure and Dark Dear Heart on the album of the same name. Don't know if MMO ever officially released those songs on her own though. Mary Margaret O'Hara fans should definitely check out the Christmas CD called "Count Your Blessings"-- it's my favorite Christmas CD and is a recording of a live concert featuring Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, Victoria Williams and Rebecca Jenkins, with Tim Ray on piano. I think it's only available in Canada though. Jeff Hanson n.p. Sam Brown - April Moon n.r. House of Leaves - Mark Danielewski > This Mortal Coil covered "Help Me Lift You Up" and Cowboy Junkies covered > "You Will Be Loved Again". Does anyone know of anymore? > > Joe > > http://www.angelfire.com/musicmania/frank.joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:30:56 -0600 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara covers At 06:12 PM 11/20/2000 +0000, Jeff wrote: >Holly Cole has recorded a copy of MMO songs-- >Christmas Trees and Holly Leaves on Treasure >and Dark Dear Heart on the album of the same name. >Don't know if MMO ever officially released those >songs on her own though. Holly also recorded the song "So and So," which was written by Mary Margaret especially for Holly. Holly told me in an interview that Mary Margeret sang it on Holly's answering machine and it was the only thing she had to work with. It's a wonderful, wonderful song too. >Mary Margaret O'Hara fans should definitely check >out the Christmas CD called "Count Your Blessings"-- >it's my favorite Christmas CD and is a recording >of a live concert featuring Mary Margaret O'Hara, >Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, Victoria Williams and >Rebecca Jenkins, with Tim Ray on piano. I think it's >only available in Canada though. Second and Thirded! V (I was there! What wonder, what bliss!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:00:24 -0600 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: covers Dave said: >Here's just a few of my favorites: > >Nichole Nordeman's version of Stevie Wonder's 'As' I must agree with this one. It's quite beautifully done. I also love Alana Davis' cover of Ani DiFranco's "32 Flavors", Ronan Keating's cover of Keith Whitley's "When You Say Nothing At All" (written by Paul Overstreet), D'Angelo's cover of Prince's "She's Always in My Hair", and Eva Cassidy's cover of Sting's "Fields of Gold". np Daniela Mercury - self-titled (thanks for the recommendation!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:02:03 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Covers that redefine the originals? Another Manfred Mann's Earthband cover; Springsteen's "Blinded by the Light". I was quite disappointed to hear the Brucey version later on, thought it rather unimaginative by comparison. The Manfreds nearly always outdid the originals when they covered them. The Earthband was World-ecology-conscious long before it became fashionable; they bought a big hill in Wales and put a photo of it on the cover of "The Good Earth'. Everyone who bought the album could send in an enclosed form and receive a deed to title of one square foot of the hill! I bought two albums, (so I'd have extra room to move around) I still brag that I own property in Wales ;) They were also really nice people; I had a chance to hang out with them once or twice, and they were the least affected by RS2* than any other rockers I've met. P * RS2 = RSRS = Rectal Solar Radiation Syndrome; The unshakeable belief that the sun shines out of your.... well you get the idea. Phil - -----Original Message----- From: Troy J. Shadbolt [mailto:tjshadb@voyuz.net] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:27 PM To: Ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Covers that redefine the originals? I've stayed in lurk mode for a couple of years now; but this is something that made me pipe up. A cover which is heads above better than the originals. Tuck & Patti's rendition of the Cyndi Lauper tune "Time after Time". An amazing guitarist and a woman with the most unbelievable jazz mezzo voice. Call me warped, but I'd kill to hear T&P take on a couple of Happy's songs. oh well, back into the pits... Dr Troy Shadbolt what's playing? Katie McMahon ABershaw@aol.com wrote: > > Two cover versions that consistantly blow me away after 30+ years of hearing > them are: > > "I'll Keep It With Mine" (Bob Dylan) by Sandy Denny & Fairport Convention > > "Natural Woman" (Carole King) by Aretha Franklin > > Both of these covers kick the living daylights out of the originals. I love > Bob Dylan's recordings, but imo, many of his greatest songs were best > interpreted by others. I won't bother going in to all that, but since we're > discussing favorite cover versions, what other cover versions do you think > far surpass the originals? Although Sandy Denny and Aretha Franklin have > very little in common, I admired both for their ability to cover songs > written by others and recreate the definitive versions in the process. > Alan > > NP: "It's Like This" Rickie Lee Jones (an album of all covers, by the way...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:15:18 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: Death Penalty Drewh said >>> We don't sentence rapists to be raped. Actually, we do; if they go to jail, they probably will be. But as rape is really all about power and not sex, there's probably no lesson in it that would realign their thinking. Either way, I don't think I'll lose any sleep over someone getting harsh doses of their own medicine. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:58:18 -0800 From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" Subject: Covers Joe Zitt wrote of his fave covers: >>Donna Summer: State of Independence (Jon Anderson/Vangelis)<< Joe, have you ever heard Chrissie Hynde's version? It's fantastic - a little less disco-y than Summer's, but a bit more techno-y than the original. I'm not sure if you can still find it - it's under the band name of "Moodswings." Other fave covers of mine: I Can See Clearly Now (Holly Cole covering Johnny Nash) Angie (Tori Amos covering Rolling Stones) Suzanne (Peter Gabriel covering Leonard Cohen) Summertime (Peter Gabriel covering George Gershwin) Also, one of my favorite bands, Marillion, have done some great covers in the past couple of years: Fake Plastic Trees (Radiohead), Abraham, Martin and John (Dion, I think), and Blackbird (Beatles). And while this isn't a distinct cover, I love what the techno band Utah Saints did with Kate Bush's "Cloudbusting." They sampled her singing "I just know that something good is gonna happen" into an upbeat techno track called, of course, "Something Good." ~ Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:34:05 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Covers On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 11:58:18AM -0800, Cerquone, Suzanne wrote: > Joe Zitt wrote of his fave covers: > > >>Donna Summer: State of Independence (Jon Anderson/Vangelis)<< > > Joe, have you ever heard Chrissie Hynde's version? It's fantastic - a little less disco-y than Summer's, but a bit more techno-y than the original. I'm not sure if you can still find it - it's under the band name of "Moodswings." Yup. As it happens, I was in a restaurant a few nights ago where it was playing on the sound system. I prefer the Donna Summer version (arranged and produced by Quincy Jones), possibly because I heard it first. Ya gotta get the album or 12 inch versions, though -- the 45 left off most of the best stuff. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:28:26 -0500 From: vylette Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk At 05:56 AM 11/20/00 -0800, Suzanna Otting wrote: >Further speculation on the career of Happy Rhodes...I think she should >be picked up by the Nettwerk label. She is certainly their kind of music, and not to mention that *then* we could get her hooked up with Delerium and the club success (and some airplay) of the resulting songs would make a whole lot of people ask "who's *that*?" and in so doing sucker themselves down the slippery slope of Happy. hey, i can dream, can't i? -veronica ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:24:39 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Covers > Abraham, Martin and John (Dion, I think), I believe the writer of that song was, Dick Holler. Dion made the recording we most often hear, but Smokey Robinson and the Miracles also recorded this jewel. gss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:47:36 -0800 From: Damon Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes and Nettwerk On 20 Nov, Suzanna Otting wrote: > Further speculation on the career of Happy Rhodes...I think she should be picked up by the Nettwerk label. She is certainly their kind of music, and better than most of it. > That's all for now. unfortunately, i think neil (who is unfortunately no longer on the list) mentioned a while back that he'd talked about it to some people there and it didn't seem a likely thing to happen... too bad. :/ - -damon Damon Harper _/\_ "Canadians lie awake at night damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ worrying if there's a hyphen in \ / anal retentive." http://jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| - Red Green ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:06:58 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Covers On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, GSS wrote: > > Abraham, Martin and John (Dion, I think), > > I believe the writer of that song was, Dick Holler. Dion made the > recording we most often hear, but Smokey Robinson and the Miracles also > recorded this jewel. The only version I've heard was by Harry Belafonte. neal np: Act of Free Choice - David Bridie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:07:59 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Covers On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Cerquone, Suzanne wrote: > Also, one of my favorite bands, Marillion, have done some great covers > in the past couple of years: Fake Plastic Trees (Radiohead), Abraham, > Martin and John (Dion, I think), and Blackbird (Beatles). And speeking of Radiohead, Sarah Slean's cover (hidden track on Universe) is fantastic too. neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:17:25 -0700 (MST) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: covers On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Adam K. wrote: > I'd also cite the Indigo Girls, who can cover a song like nobody else. Their > "Midnight Train to Georgia", while a baffling choice for them, is a great > concert piece, and their cover of Buffy Saint-Marie's "Bury My Heart at > Wounded Knee" is a stunner. They also do a blinding version of Dylan's > "Tangled Up in Blue" (all these are on their live cd) I always found their cover of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee to be far too faithful. BS-M's original has all that power, and the i-girls seem to reproduce it well, but it didn't go anywhere new for me. Plus, the anger and passion seems more appropriate to me from BS-M, as she's singing about her own people, as opposed to the i-girls, who are sympathetic, but not Native American. (I can't decide if that is a spurious complaint or not, but I'm sure someone out there will tell me.) > I guess the ultimate accolade for a cover is when it becomes THE definitive > version ---- so it's another vote from me for the Talking Heads' "Take Me to > the River" (I found out recently that Foghat also covered it, before the > Heads) Indeed. That really seems like there song. It seems to be the most reclaimed song I can think of. > Oh, and of course Dar Williams' cover of "Better Days". Definitely. Also her cover of Fred Eaglesmith's "Wilder Than Her". I listened to it many times before I finally heard the original. Fred sings it in such a restrained manner that it's kind of hard to believe that he's really wilder than her (or else, he's one of the steely, calm psychotic types), while Dar is wilder than I would have imagined her being. Oddly enough, I think Fred's reading of the final verse works better. He really captures how the other person is a calming influence on his life. > Perhaps a vote for 10,000 Maniacs doing a decent job of "Because the Night" > and Bjork's cover of the old "It's So Quiet"? Hmmm, I've generally been kind of unhappy with 10K Maniacs covers. They seem sort of sleepy and spiritless. (I felt the same about the more recent cover of "More than this" too.) Though the version of Iris Dement's "Let The Miracle Be" was hauntingly beautiful, at least live. This is not evident to me on the version included on one of their singles. I LOVE the Bjork cover. Jarboe does a similar over-the-top cover of a an old standard on thebeautifulpeopleltd album. I'd have to look it up to be reminded of what it is though. neal np: Act of free Choice - David Bridie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:09:03 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: there but by the grace of god go i - -----Original Message----- From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com [mailto:RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 7:03 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: there but by the grace of god go i In a message dated 11/17/00 11:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: (phil said); << > Let's face it; we're *not* created equal; some people are just plain and > simple factory rejects, and need to be returned to Mom. >> (To which RWB commented): >Personally I don't believe anyone is any better than anyone else. >There are a lot of components and life experiences that make a human being into the >person they are To which phil now responds: But that is exactly why we are not all "equal". Who is "better", a doctor capable of saving a life, or a mechanic? (I know the doctor's answer already but do not subcribe to it) They are just two individuals with different skills and experiences. Neither is "better" than the other. Think of the "Noblesse Oblige" (spelling?) of older times. So far, so good, (and Plato still looks happy). But take this one step further; you're on the plane; it's losing altitude and you need to lose some weight; who are you going to throw out, Mother Theresa or Geoffrey Dahmer? ( ignoring the more obvious fact that both are already dead) In other words will you throw out the woman who devoted her entire life to helping lepers and the dispossessed, or the flesh-eating psycho-murderer found with a freezer full of human body parts? You will most likely pick the person you deem to be *the more valuable to humankind*. Does that Mother T "better"? Or just more valuable to us? Or do we just equate ' better' with 'more valuable'? I think everyone has the ability to aspire to and reach for the aspects of their highest nature, but very few actually do. Many more, it seems, tend to the opposite direction, sometimes hitting rock bottom and then starting to dig. I'm not saying we're better than these people, and if we put them to death, we may well NOT be, however, I really do not think there is a place in this world for people who brutalize and kill, especially when the victims are defenseless children and women. We would seek out and kill a "rogue" wild animal for killing a human, and I think that a wild animal's motives for killing are far more pure than those of a serial murderer. It's not about revenge; I would just call it good housekeeping, because, this time they REALLY won't do it again (at least, not on this plane of existence). I never saw anyone kill a rogue mountain lion out of revenge; it is always a preventative measure, meant to stop future occurrences. I'm still thinking about the karmic implications of execution, and being glad that I am not in the position of having to put someone to death. My whole stance may be hypocritical, as I don't think I could kill someone else under those kind of conditions. But there again, no-one ever raped and murdered my daughter... This is still a most predatory world, not the Garden we all want it to become. Thankful to be in it, nonetheless. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:18:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis G Parslow Subject: "more covers" My original post seemed to have disappeared. Here are what I can remember: Cowboy Junkies (a category by themselves): Sweet Jane (Lou Reed) -massively different treatment Walking After Midnight (Patsy Cline) Powderfinger (Neil Young) State Trooper (Bruce Springsteen - awesome, awesome tune) Robert Johnson, Hank Williams, etc, etc Indigo Girls - Watchtower (Dylan?) Acid Test - Dirty Back Road (B-52's) Bangles - Going Down to Liverpool (Katrina and the Waves) Bananarama - I'm Your Venus (Electric Blue) Pat Benatar - Wuthering Heights (Kate - proving what a great voice PB had) Almost everything on Deadicated. I'm not a big GD fan, but almost every cut onthis album is wonderful. What a tribute album should be. Bobby McFerrin (another subgenre) - Blackbird, Drive My Car (Beatles) Suzy Q Sunshine of Your Love (Clapton?) Good Love Sundays Wild Horses Neil Diamond - Suzanne (slow song, about double the speed that Leonard Cohen sang it - listening to him, I feel like yelling "Say it!" Black Velvet Band - Son of a Preacher Man (Dusty Springfield) Most of the Commitments I'm sure there was more, but memory is fleeting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:31:20 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: "more covers" - -- On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:18:04 Dennis G Parslow wrote: >Pat Benatar - Wuthering Heights (Kate - proving what a great voice PB had) Hey, Pat Benatar is still around! And she still has a good voice. AND she's supposed to be coming out with a new album in the spring. I don't know how ecto it will be, but I'll probably be buying it. Suzanna Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:37:04 -0500 From: Richard Subject: Re: Mary Margaret O'Hara covers jjhanson@att.net wrote: > > Mary Margaret O'Hara fans should definitely check > out the Christmas CD called "Count Your Blessings"-- > it's my favorite Christmas CD and is a recording > of a live concert featuring Mary Margaret O'Hara, > Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, Victoria Williams and > Rebecca Jenkins, with Tim Ray on piano. I think it's > only available in Canada though. > you can order it at http://store.ubl.com/album_search_new.asp?text=COUNT+YOUR+BLESSINGS&src=album ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:55:43 -0500 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: "more covers" Dennis G Parslow sez: > Sundays Wild Horses this has come up several times, and I'm definitely one of those who find that it blows the original out of the water (and yes, I'd been hearing the Stones' rendition for years before the Sundays came along...and for that matter, I'd heard the Sundays for a couple of years before they released the cover). Buffy fans are probably also aware of just how well that song can work in a dramatic moment... > Black Velvet Band - Son of a Preacher Man (Dusty Springfield) Yeah, but life really becomes complete when you hear Susan McKeown sing it... I think somebody's also already mentioned the Bangles' cover of "Hazy Shade of Winter," another of my faves. Phil Collins did a really great cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows" on his first solo album. jeff n.p. _True North_, Fisher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:15:57 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: there but by the grace of god go i Phil Hudson wrote: > This is still a most predatory world, not the Garden we all want it to > become. I had wondered how The Creator was going to explain this, but when I realized we are all here to make an orientation decision it became clearer. Life eats life, and it is a predatory world. You have to understand I believe in reincarnation to see the logic in this, but the food chain teaches us Sacrifice. The is no greater Service to Others than letting them eat you, or more likely, holding back the predator so that others can escape. We were created with the fight or flight reflex, and if we were totally Spiritual and peaceful we'd all have been eaten long ago. > Thankful to be in it, nonetheless. > Phil Me too! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:52:36 -0600 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Oxy and Eze Buenos Noches, Ah, I feel like an English Lit major again. Oxy is a moonbeam friend. I bet Eze is too. Moonbeam friends are imaginary friends and are sung about in "Moonbeam Friends," on _Rhodes I_. Actually, Oxy and Nitro are in the song. I don't know why Eze turns up in "Dying." The first time I heard "Dying," I figured Oxy and Eze were cats since HR seemed to be a cat person. Then I found out Barney Parker and Xena and Shorty were the cats (plus more?). I think the imaginary friends are mentioned in the first interview HR did for the fanzine in '91. I've been reading old E-mails and failing to write down dates, so I can't help anyone. You know, I probably should find another hobby if I know who the imaginary childhood friends of a singer/songwriter are. Suzanna pointed out Happy's financial stakes in accommodating Samson with her songwriting. A week or so ago I wrote that one should follow one's muse and ignore marketing people at record companies. I was forgetting that Happy was dependent on them for the rent check. I think of Ms. Rhodes as someone perpetually scraping for money to keep the art going. But I suppose for a while actual checks to pay for Cheerios and salads and new furniture were arriving in the mail. Must have been nice. But with that comes the need to keep the supplier of the checks brimming with contentedness. I compromise all the time at work to keep people happy and the paychecks coming in. Good thing the creativity in my work is so minimal I haven't had to suffer with any forced changes to my approach. If we had to do in the business world what people do in the music world, we'd probably be dancing around in tutus, lip-synching to bubblegum music. It's painful enough giving in on something like a comma or the proper use of an adjective. It must be depressing in the extreme to know you have to make a desk jockey at a record company delirious with joy over redirecting your artistic endeavors. There is much to be said for being an amateur. The only one who can tell you what to do (aside from your mother) is yourself. Art on the side may be better than being a pro. Sorry if anyone has already answered the Oxy/Eze question. Bye, Lyle n.p. The rhythmic squeaking of the drier. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:12:22 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: covers On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 04:17:25PM -0700, Neal Copperman wrote: > > I guess the ultimate accolade for a cover is when it becomes THE definitive > > version ---- so it's another vote from me for the Talking Heads' "Take Me to > > the River" (I found out recently that Foghat also covered it, before the > > Heads) > > Indeed. That really seems like there song. It seems to be the most > reclaimed song I can think of. Some more for the most-reclaimed bucket: Jimi Hendrix: All Along the Watchtower (Bob Dylan) Eric Clapton: Well All Right (Buddy Holly, but Clapton's version introduced the signature riff that Santana also used for it) Who: Eyesight to the Blind (Sunny Boy Williamson) Ike and Tina Turner: Proud Mary (Creedence Clearwater Revival) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:51:53 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: RE: there but by the grace of god go i when we last left our heroes, Phil Hudson exclaimed: >But take this one step further; you're on the plane; it's losing altitude >and you need to lose some weight; who are you going to throw out, Mother >Theresa or Geoffrey Dahmer? ( ignoring the more obvious fact that both are >already dead) > >In other words will you throw out the woman who devoted her entire life to >helping lepers and the dispossessed, or the flesh-eating psycho-murderer >found with a freezer full of human body parts? You will most likely pick the >person you deem to be *the more valuable to humankind*. Does that Mother T >"better"? Or just more valuable to us? >Or do we just equate ' better' with 'more valuable'? well...who weighes more? woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:59:40 -0500 From: Chuck Davis Subject: Most terrible covers ABershaw@aol.com wrote, >Two cover versions that consistantly blow me away after 30+ years of hearing >them are: > >"I'll Keep It With Mine" (Bob Dylan) by Sandy Denny & Fairport Convention > >"Natural Woman" (Carole King) by Aretha Franklin > >Both of these covers kick the living daylights out of the originals. I love >Bob Dylan's recordings, but imo, many of his greatest songs were best >interpreted by others. I won't bother going in to all that, but since we're >discussing favorite cover versions, what other cover versions do you think >far surpass the originals? Although Sandy Denny and Aretha Franklin have >very little in common, I admired both for their ability to cover songs >written by others and recreate the definitive versions in the process. I have to twist the subject to "Most Terrible Covers" here. While I agree that Aretha's NW cover was very good, she also did the worst cover I ever heard. Back in '70(?) I watched her sing Simon and Garfunkle's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" at the grammy award show when it won song of the year. She absolutely destroyed it. The camera kept shifting to Paul Simon's face as she performed it and, if looks could kill, she would have been a smoldering pile of ash! C. n.p. "Queen of the Meadow"...Elysian Fields ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:18:35 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: there but by the grace of god go i On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 10:51:53PM -0500, drop the holupki wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Phil Hudson exclaimed: > > >But take this one step further; you're on the plane; it's losing altitude > >and you need to lose some weight; who are you going to throw out, Mother > >Theresa or Geoffrey Dahmer? ( ignoring the more obvious fact that both are > >already dead) > > > >In other words will you throw out the woman who devoted her entire life to > >helping lepers and the dispossessed, or the flesh-eating psycho-murderer > >found with a freezer full of human body parts? You will most likely pick the > >person you deem to be *the more valuable to humankind*. Does that Mother T > >"better"? Or just more valuable to us? > >Or do we just equate ' better' with 'more valuable'? > > well...who weighes more? Before or after lunch? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:54:07 -0800 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: "more covers" At 8:55 PM -0500 11/20/00, Jeffrey Burka wrote: > > Black Velvet Band - Son of a Preacher Man (Dusty Springfield) > >Yeah, but life really becomes complete when you hear Susan McKeown sing it... My fave cover on this one is Joan Osbourne's. Mmmmmm. Also quite fond of her snippets of Wayfairin' Stranger on Spearhead's album. neal np: The Cindy Lee Berryhill Workout Tape ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:22:18 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: there but by the grace of god go i In a message dated 11/20/00 11:14:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << Before or after lunch? >> i think it depends on what passengers jeffery had for lunch fam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:45:27 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: OT: selfishness Joe Zitt wrote in response to me: > > Common usage presupposes that there are two ways to live: sacrificing >> for others or imposing sacrifices on them. But what of those who >> sustain their own lives by their own work, sacrificing neither >> themselves nor others? Common usage permits no recognition of this >> alternative, lumping it together with imposing sacrifices on >> others--as those who object to altruistic sacrifices find when their >> selfishness is routinely denounced. > >In my experience, this does not correlate with common usage. Are you being facetious? In my experience, "selfish" is the expected reaction to the view that not one cent of tax money should go toward helping the needy. It's the reaction Bill Gates gets for not supplying Windows on other than the best terms he can get. Or record companies, because they only support bands on conditions favorable to themselves. Or Humana, because it runs hospitals for profit. Etc. > > "I see it--I want it--I'll take it" does not constitute concern for >> one's own interests. > >Yes, it does. It may not be a rational, thought out concern, but it can >be seen as nothing other than a strict focus on what one wants for >oneself. But that does not make the want to one's interest. One may want crack cocaine for oneself; that does not make using crack self-interested. In these cases it's not that there's too much concern for the self, but not enough of it. >Unfortunately, in the Randian redefinition of selfishness, concern for >the self is always assumed to be supremely rational, so this aspect of >the common usage is lost. This sounds to me like a stand in favor of letting oneself be deceived by appearances. A person who avows a goal while deliberately ignoring the suitability of the means, does not really have that end in view. A researcher does not reveal concern for the truth by falsifying data to support a pet theory. A man who claims to love his girlfriend and chooses to show it by beating her is not in fact engaged in an expression of love. A man who insists on driving drunk does not really have his own interests in mind. An action has a certain purpose if one takes it with the honest intent of achieving that goal--not simply if one wishes it would achieve the goal, while simultaneously evading the knowledge that it won't. The fact that common usage labels "selfish" those having little genuine care for their interests is evidence that the usage is thoughtless, ill-defined and arbitrary. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #349 **************************