From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #347 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, November 19 2000 Volume 06 : Number 347 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] RV: covers ["Julio Ortega" ] Re: covers [Paul Blair ] More covers... [JavaHo@aol.com] Re: Mark Danielewski/Poe @ Borders NYC [Neal Copperman ] Greatest Covers Ever Done [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: there but by the grace of god go i [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] RE: OT: Death Penalty [Paul Blair ] Re: buckley/cohen [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: covers ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: More covers... [jjhanson@att.net] RE: OT: Death Penalty [Mike Connell ] Re: Greatest Covers Ever Done [Mike Connell ] Re: OT: Death Penalty [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: OT: Death Penalty [Joseph Zitt ] Re: OT: Death Penalty [Joseph Zitt ] Re: OT: Death Penalty ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Re: OT: Death Penalty [Joseph Zitt ] [dmg@panix.com: Annette Peacock does DMG instore!!!] [Joseph Zitt ] RACHAEL SAGE PAGE/Birthday Show This Tuesday [drop the holupki ] Badly Drawn Boy [Drew Harrington ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Naama Avramzon (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. 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Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 06:32:11 -0300 From: "Julio Ortega" Subject: RV: covers Natalie merchant's cover of sympathy for the devils is good i also love tori amos' cover of famous blue raincoat! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:21:47 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: covers How about: Kronos Quartet's cover of Jimi Hendrix' "Purple Haze" Happy Rhodes' cover of Duran Duran's "Come Undone" that she and Kelly Bird did at the Bottom Line a few years ago. Boy, would I love to have a recording of that! Happy's cover of "Mercy Street" Happy's cover of Yes' "Soon" from "Gates of Delirium" Mila Drumke's cover of Kate Bush's "Under the Ivy" Sloan Wainwright and Susan McKeown's duet at the 1999 ectofest covering Richard Thompson's "Meet on the Ledge" (another one I'd kill for a recording of) Natalie Merchant and Susan McKeown's cover of Katell Keineg's "Gulf of Araby" Susan McKeown's cover of Dusty Springfield's "Son of a Preacher Man" (esp. the version with John Spurney, where he squinches up his face doing the backing vocals...) and, for the season, Deanna Kirk's cover of "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" I keep thinking that there's some Jane Siberry and Cowboy Junkies and Over the Rhine covers that should be occurring to me... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:42:29 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: More covers... Happy's cover of Peter Gabriel's "Here Come the Floods" and Queen's "Lillies of the Valley" (I might have that title wrong...Lillies of the Fields?) Holly Cole's cover of "Trust In Me". I remember it from the Jungle Book...don't know if it was original to that or if it was a standard. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:33:01 -0800 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Mark Danielewski/Poe @ Borders NYC I was out of town for the last 3 weeks, and am only now catching up on all my mail. Just wanted to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed your review of Poe and the background info on the CD and the book. Don't be afraid to post! It's nice to see other voices with interesting info. Cheers, neal np: Laurianne Fiorentino house concert nr: The White Bone - Barbara Gowdy At 2:17 AM -0500 11/5/00, ArtfulMdrr@aol.com wrote: >Hallo everyone out there! > >Just a few thoughts about the Borders tour, specifically the day at the >Borders in NYC. 11.3.00, I think. Wow, that was yesterday! This city is bad >for any already poorly functioning short term memory. > >The area set aside in the store was packed to capacity with people sitting on >the floor in the back, and any space available in the aisles was taken by >standees maneuvering in any way possible to get a glimpse of Poe and Mark. >It was a fantastic set up - Poe and Mark sat facing the crowd, sitting behind >two mics, while a DJ stood behind them with turntables and a live mixer was >off to their right. > >The whole thing was set up such that Mark would read a portion from the book >or talk about it and Poe would relate it to her songs and occasionally sing >the song that related. Both Mark and Poe apparently came across tapes of >their father, Tad Danielewski, talking that set off some memories. They show >up as the samples in the segues on Poe's album. During the entire talk, the >DJ or mixer ( I'm not sure who was setting them off ) cued a pertinent >sample, or ingeniously used them to make a quick joke. There was, by the >way, a projection screen with alternate album art that related to each >song/section. > >The first highlight of the show came when Poe sang "Spanish Doll," which is >an absolutely lovely song musically and lyrically. The DJ scratched up a >storm on the fade out on what I believe was this track, but maybe it was >another. In any case, he was brilliant. The main highlight of the show was >Mark's reading from "The Whalestoe Letters" - the letters Johnny Truant's >mother sends him in _House of Leaves_. He read what sounded like the last >one after dedicating it to the mother of a friend of his and speaking a bit >about how it related to his mother. Poe also spoke about the absence of their >mother from their lives, and how the letter showed that love can be >demonstrated very "powerfully" despite the lack of a physical presence. >Anyone who's read the book knows that the letters are compelling proof of >that fact, regardless of the fact that they're fictional. Both brother and >sister were very moved, as was, I feel, the entire audience. It was an >incredible moment. > >Afterwards, they both signed Poe's new album, "Haunted" and Mark's _House of >Leaves_. This probably should've gone at the beginning: Mark's novel is >ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. I heard about it through word of mouth and only later >realized Mark to be Poe's brother. It's seems a hefty book, but I sat down >and *could not* stop reading it - I was about to move to college and almost >gave up seeing my friends before I left because the book consumed my mind's >focus so greatly. I won't give away details of the book, but through a very >ingenious, beautiful metaphor, Mark explores relationships and the dynamics >of a family and their home. "Haunted" is a concept album that explores the >same ideas on a very personal level for Poe and relates back often to the >metaphor within the book. Poe drew a lot on my CD and Mark drew me a tree. > >They're fantastic people, inspired artists, and it's a great privelage to >read and listen to their work. > >Sorry if this was too long! If you want more info, just email me. I was going >to put up reviews about Ani DiFranco in New York and PJ Harvey's new album, >but I don't want to bombard the list! > >Create, >Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:57:28 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Greatest Covers Ever Done A few of my personal favorites: "More Than This" by 10,000 Maniacs, originally recorded by Roxy Music. I think the thing that I love about this one is the way the Maniacs took somewhat of an experimental synth pop orchestration and turned it into an elegant, shimmering guitars lullaby. Mary's voice is achingly sad and pure. "Night Comes" by June Tabor & The Oyster Band, originally recorded by Richard and Linda Thompson. This is a great song and it's not incredibly different from the original versions, but I like the way June's voice sounds over it. "Blue Christmas" by Mary Margaret O'Hara. I hope everybody has gotten to hear the CHRISTMAS EP by M2OH, because it's really wonderful. "You Will Be Loved Again" by Cowboy Junkies, originally recorded by Mary Margaret O'Hara. This version almost sounds completely different from the original. It's not as affecting as Mary's version, but I like the way Margo pushes the words out in a sort of breathy, spontaneous style. "The Fool On The Hill" by Petula Clarke, originally recorded by The Beatles. Haha, just kidding. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:03:28 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: there but by the grace of god go i In a message dated 11/17/00 11:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << > Let's face it; we're *not* created equal; some people are just plain and > simple factory rejects, and need to be returned to Mom. >> Personally I don't believe anyone is any better than anyone else. There are a lot of components and life experiences that make a human being into the person they are, and when I see a murder on television awaiting the verdict of a jury, I'm just thankful I didn't have a dad who sniffed coke or a mom who shot my dad or that I didn't grow up fighting off gang members on the streets. A Catholic philosopher by the name of Thomas More once pointed to a man being led through the town to be executed and said "There but by the grace of God go I". I think what he was saying was that we're all capable of evil, and we should be thankful that for whatever reason we haven't been driven to that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:02:57 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: RE: OT: Death Penalty I personally oppose the death penalty, but not as a matter of moral principle. The position that "killing is wrong, so it's equally wrong for society to execute killers" is an argument not against the death penalty but against punishment as such. By this logic, since stealing is wrong, we can have no court-mandated fines. Holding people against their will is wrong, so putting them in jail must be too. If you refuse to distinguish between initiating force and using force in retaliation, then you may as well forget about having a criminal justice system altogether. Contrary to Bob Lovejoy, I think the world would be a better place if everybody understood just what Service to Self involved, and practiced it. The principle that every individual's life is an end in itself and does not exist for others' sake, thereby rules out treating others as if they lived to serve oneself. Murderers are not selfish in any coherent sense of that term. Punishing them, however, is; leaving them unpunished is both unselfish and destructive. I am against the death penalty because I see no way in today's society that such a penalty can be imposed fairly and objectively. When someone has spent twenty years in prison on a false charge, at least you can give him the rest of his life back. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:11:11 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: buckley/cohen In a message dated 11/17/00 11:18:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Jeff Buckley: Halleluyah (Leonard Cohen) >> Forgot about that one for a minute. That's one of my fav covers as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:04:53 EST From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: Re: covers I think I've heard the Nirvana version once on the radio once and didn't even realize it was the original until the song was almost over, so I hardly played attention. I think maybe I've heard snippets on mtv. I was really not a typical teenager. :) JoAnn np: Dar Williams--The Green World >From: Marla Tiara >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: covers >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:57:47 -0800 (PST) > >--- JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > > just weighing in.. > > > > most of the covers i know, i've never heard the > > originals of (ie the 3 tori > > covers on the "crucify" single (angie, smells like > > teen spirit, and thank > > you.) > >I'm just curious - are you really saying you've never >heard Smells Like Teen Spirit or am I >misunderstanding? > >:) >marla tiara > > >===== >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* >Famous people wearing my tiara: >http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) >"I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis >Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! >http://calendar.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:27:35 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: More covers... Trust in Me is originally from the Jungle Book. I love Holly's version, but I have to say that Siouxsie and the Banshees version is better. You can find it on their Through the Looking Glass EP--an excellent album of cover songs. There is also a great version of Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit on that album--actually the whole album is pretty damn good. Jeff Hanson > Happy's cover of Peter Gabriel's "Here Come the Floods" and Queen's "Lillies > of the Valley" (I might have that title wrong...Lillies of the Fields?) > > Holly Cole's cover of "Trust In Me". I remember it from the Jungle > Book...don't know if it was original to that or if it was a standard. > > Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:06:10 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: RE: OT: Death Penalty I know I said I would not post on this again, but since other still are, and folks can easily delete this by reading the subject line, I just had to say my piece again. Paul wrote: > When someone has spent twenty years in prison on a false charge, at > least you can give him the rest of his life back. But what about in the case of a person who was convicted of two sexual related crimes, jailed (at 19 mind you), released and then later rapes two young girls in one night, and strangles one of them to death? Sure , the death penalty needs reform to ensure it's doled out properly and fairly, but why NOT in the case where there's absolutely no doubt AT ALL as to who committed the heinous crime? There was no question in this one. I am not getting into the details, but the right man went to jail for this one. Why does he deserve to live? He IS eligible for release in another 10 years. He'll be a relatively young 54 years of age then. I do not think he WILL be released then, but one never knows. Also, there's always a chance for escape, and we ALL have read stories of an escapee killing people after the escape.(not to mention those that kill again after parole) Now, what about the a-holes that killed those people in that New York City Wendy's last year? One of the most horrific crimes ever committed on this planet. Why in the hell should they be allowed to live? They arrested the right people. One of the shooting victims lived, led the police to the people who did it, where TONS of evidence was found, not to mention (if I recall correctly), one or more of the killers had worked at the same Wendys'. Why should our system support them the rest of their lives, knowing what they did? They have ABSOLUTELY NO respect for human life. Why should we respect theirs? They systematically bound and tied and put bags over the heads of their victims, forced them to lay down on their stomachs, and shot them in the head ONE by ONE. Can you imagine the HORROR any one of those victims must have felt at those moments? Lying there, scared completely out of your wits, hearing your FRIENDS all crying for their lives while one by one you hear an echoing gunshot and thus less cries for mercy as your friends all die one by one, all the while wondering which coming split-second will be the one that brings the shot that ends your life. Try to imagine that. I ask each of you who are against the death penalty no matter what. Imagine if one or more of the victims in that Wendy's crime were friends or relatives to YOU. I mean REALLY do it. Do it right now. Pick out a brother or sister of yours, your best friend, your cousins' daughter or perhaps your gym teacher or even your own child. Now....picture them in the basement of that Wendy's restaurant. Imagine someone you know or love down there with that bag over their head, totally scared out of their wits. Now, imagine the last precious seconds of their lives. Hearing cries and screams. LOUD echoing gunshots. Then, without warning, the loudest gunshot. It's over. Reach down deep inside and tell me that you would rather see the creeps that did these crimes to humans _you know and/or love_ (and just did not read about in a newspaper) live the rest of their lives in prison. I cried a lot last week after writing about my cousins' daughter Ellen. I am tearing up right now. I am not crying for revenge, I am not crying for my cousin Ted nor his wife Helen, nor their children Lisa, Demetra and Paul. I am crying for Ellen. I simply crumble to pieces when I think about what she went through. It's not solely because she was a relative of mine. it's not solely because I knew her. It's because she was a living and breathing human being whose life was snuffed out by another who cares NOT A THING about human life. If anyone has doubts about that, two weeks ago five young girls were killed locally in two separate accidents. I teared up reading about them. It pains me deeply when I read about anyone that dies long before their time, especially so at the hands of others or due to the wreckless actions of others.I am sure it pains us all. I just happen to be one who believes that sometimes criminals FORFIET their lives when they commit heinous crimes that purposefully take lives. Put the life of someone you know into one of these victims shoes, put a face you know, NOT a statistic or crime you READ about, and many of you who are against the death penalty may realize what this really is all about. Until you have personally been involved with one of these kind of crimes, or perhaps go to watch a murder trial in PERSON (even one where you do not know any of the people involved), perhaps you cannot truly understand. And it's not about passion or revenge. It's about truly understanding and knowing what these creeps _put their victims through_. You just cannot truly/deeply understand it by reading about it or seeing it on the news. You have to see it in person, either by involvement or going to a trial. I may be starting to ramble andf repeat now, so I'll end this quickly, and again I apologize for helping prolong this non-music oriented thread. I know that this is a passionate subject, and that most people had steadfast feelings on the subject and that convincing another of your beliefs on the matter is not easy and rarely done. All I am really trying to convey is, if the absolute right person is convicted of a _heinous_ crime that purposefully ends the life or lives of others, what is so wrong in ending their lives? They do NOT deserve to live. And think about this....."Life in prison". While it's not an ideal life, it IS living. Is it punishment? Is it a _horrible_ existence for murderers like the creeps that killed those people in Wendy's or Ellen? If it was, we'd probably be reading about a lot more prison suicides. I for one wish that Frank Markert would hang himself in prison. He's the one that killed Ellen. At least then I'd know he suffered when he died. THAT is what he deserves. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:23:00 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: Greatest Covers Ever Done Just a couple off the top of my head. While I feel Harry Nilsson's cover of Badfinger's "Without You" is one of the best cover performances ever, I thought the recent cover of "Last Kiss" (Pearl Jam, right?) did proper justice to the original. While originally somewhat against released covers in general (many many many moons ago), I am now a fan to some degree, in that it helps educate *some* of today's younger listeners to some pretty incredible music of decades gone by. I always get turned on when a member of today's generation passionately discovers the pioneering classic music of the 50's, 60's and early to mid 70's. Mike :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:28:47 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty In a message dated 11/18/00 12:15:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ducksoup@quackquack.net writes: << And think about this....."Life in prison". While it's not an ideal life, it IS living. Is it punishment? Is it a _horrible_ existence for murderers like the creeps that killed those people in Wendy's or Ellen? >> yeah.......it's a living horror. bed.......tv.........meals......access to gym equipment and more. i can see how this would be a just punishment. and oh no......possible parole in 20 years. they might have to kill again just to get back in. you should know that some of us understand and empathize with you. i truely hope none of the others ever come face to face with a situation of this kind. i've had a gun held to my head. i know the feeling that comes within a second of the end of your life. i think thats when i lost that part of my liberal leaning. i wish you peace. fam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:50:29 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 10:02:57AM -0500, Paul Blair wrote: > Contrary to Bob Lovejoy, I think the world would be a better place if > everybody understood just what Service to Self involved, and > practiced it. The principle that every individual's life is an end > in itself and does not exist for others' sake, thereby rules out > treating others as if they lived to serve oneself. Murderers are not > selfish in any coherent sense of that term. Punishing them, however, > is; leaving them unpunished is both unselfish and destructive. A coherent sense of the term: murderers are may be selfish in that they care for themselves more than for others. Whether they expand that to expecting others to view themselves the same way and to respect that is relevant only in obscure, post-Rand uses of the term. > I am against the death penalty because I see no way in today's > society that such a penalty can be imposed fairly and objectively. > When someone has spent twenty years in prison on a false charge, at > least you can give him the rest of his life back. I agree. Only when the system of determining guilt delivers absolutely true results 100% of the time (and is not dependent on, say, the coercive abilities of lawyers) can we base such irrevocable actions on it. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:03:12 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 12:06:10PM -0500, Mike Connell wrote: > But what about in the case of a person who was convicted of two sexual > related crimes, jailed (at 19 mind you), released and then later rapes two > young girls in one night, and strangles one of them to death? Your argument is not with the death penalty but with the parole system. > Sure , the death penalty needs reform to ensure it's doled out properly and > fairly, but why NOT in the case where there's absolutely no doubt AT ALL as > to who committed the heinous crime? Life sentence without parole. > Now....picture them in the basement of that Wendy's restaurant. Imagine > someone you know or love down there with that bag over their head, totally > scared out of their wits. Now, imagine the last precious seconds of their > lives. Hearing cries and screams. LOUD echoing gunshots. Then, without > warning, the loudest gunshot. I knew one of the girls who died in the very similar Austin yogurt shop murders. ( http://www.austin360.com/news/features/local/yogurtindex.html ) I hope that whoever did it gets locked away for life. But I do not wish them to die and do not believe that I should have the power to cause their deaths, any more than I believe that they should have had the power to cause Eliza's. > Reach down deep inside and tell me that you would rather see the creeps > that did these crimes to humans _you know and/or love_ (and just did not > read about in a newspaper) live the rest of their lives in prison. Yes, I would. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:23:42 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty Paul Blair writes: > Contrary to Bob Lovejoy, I think the world would be a better place if > everybody understood just what Service to Self involved, and > practiced it. The principle that every individual's life is an end > in itself and does not exist for others' sake, thereby rules out > treating others as if they lived to serve oneself. Murderers are not > selfish in any coherent sense of that term. Punishing them, however, > is; leaving them unpunished is both unselfish and destructive. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? If everyone is in it for themselves, anarchy or, more likely, a police state ensues. Being selfish implies treating others as if they lived to serve you. And I still think taking another's life to suit your own needs is a selfish act. I think a lot of the arguments about selfishness and altruism are distorted through semantics. We may not agree on a definition of service-to-self and service-to-others. Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:56:18 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: OT: Death Penalty On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 02:23:42PM -0500, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > I think a lot of the arguments about selfishness and altruism are distorted > through semantics. We may not agree on a definition of service-to-self and > service-to-others. I suspect that we're running into an odd use of the term, popularized through Ayn Rand's "The Virtue of Selfishness". It's a common rhetorical ploy to redefine a term in a peculiar manner and then view comments by others as if they were using the same definition. I suspect that's what the defenders of selfishness are using here. (The same kinds of semantic disagreements erupt in discussions of "love" or "music".) To those who use the term in its usual form, arguments based on the redefinition have trouble appearing coherent. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:59:45 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: [dmg@panix.com: Annette Peacock does DMG instore!!!] Woohoo! - ----- Forwarded message from dmg ----- X-Sender: dmg@pop.panix.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:39:09 -0500 To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; From: dmg Subject: Annette Peacock does DMG instore!!! Annette Peacock will be at DOWNTOWN MUSIC GALLERY, 211 E. 5th Street in Manhattan, NYC on Saturday December 16th from 5-8 PM. She will be signing copies of her new ECM album AN ACROBAT'S HEART, her first release in 12 years AND SHE WILL GIVE A SHORT SOLO PERFORMANCE AT 6 PM, accompanying herself on keyboard. This will be her first public appearance in NYC in almost two decades! Downtown Music Gallery < www.DTMGallery.com > < dmg@panix.com > has also managed to track down small quantities of Annette's releases on her own Ironic label on both CD and LP, including ABSTRACT CONTACT, I HAVE NO FEELINGS, SKY-SKATING, and BEEN IN THE STREETS TOO LONG (LP only) and hopes to have them available for sale/mail order sometime in December. ___________________________________________________________________________ Downtown Music Gallery Telephone: 212-473-0043 211 East 5th Street Fax: 212-533-5059 New York, NY 10003-8520 Email: dmg@panix.com USA Web: www.dtmgallery.com Hours: Sunday though Thursday noon `till 9pm, Fri. & Sat. noon to 10pm. Sundays we have in-store concerts from 7 to 8:30, please don't call then. We're between Cooper Square, (aka 3rd Avenue), and 2nd Avenue. Ask to get on our emailing list for up-to-date announcements and reviews of our favorite new music (and new re-releases of old classics too!) - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:46:43 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Favorite Covers Hi, Gloria was covered by Patty Smith, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix and The Shadows of Knight. Written by (Van Morrison while in) Them. Shadows covered it just a few years after Them released it. Manfred Mann's Earth Band has done several great covers: Blinded by The Light and Demolition Man stick out in my memory. bye, PS: Since The Beatles did write Fool on The Hill, I don't get the joke. Brazil'66 did it too. KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:12:09 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Favorite Covers On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 02:46:43PM -0600, kerry white wrote: > Manfred Mann's Earth Band has done several great covers: Blinded by > The Light and Demolition Man stick out in my memory. bye, At least when I was paying attention (mid 70s) Manfred Mann did at least as many covers as new tunes. Some seriously great stuff in the mid 70s. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:35:40 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: RACHAEL SAGE PAGE/Birthday Show This Tuesday rachael sage news, etc. >From: SpiritWe@aol.com >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:09:18 EST >Subject: RACHAEL SAGE PAGE/Birthday Show This Tuesday > >Hey y'all... >Sorry it's been a little while since we've checked in, but things have been >just a little bit insane around the MPress office lately, in a good way >though, of course! > >1) The first bit of news we wanted to share was that you are are all >cordially, seductively, and fabulously invited to celebrate: > >Rachael's Birthday Concert at Makor* w/ Rob Curto & Jagoda >*Songwriter's Hall of Fame Showcase Feature Artist >Tuesday November 21 - 10:00pm Sharp >Makor (35 W. 67th) >New York City >212-601-1000 > >WE HOPE YOU CAN BE THERE TO CELEBRATE THE MADNESS! RACHAEL PROMISES AT >LEAST 2 BRAND NEW TUNES.... >* * * >2) Secondly, we wanted to share some fun news about Rachael's clothing >designs. Last night we trekked out to Greenwich, CT to attend the formal >opening of the "WEARABLE ART" show at the Flinn Gallery. It was a really >great show, with more than 56 incredible artists presenting their works in a >wide variety of mediums, and Rachael's custom designs on jeans were presented >publicly for the first time to benefit the Greenwich Library. It was kinda >fun to see them all hanging on fancy display-poles, instead of just on >someone's, you know...The exhibit will be running through December, so if >you're in the area, check it out! > >The Flinn Gallery >Greenwich, Connecticut >203-637-0553 >* * * >3) Rachael has completed her new album, and we will let you know about >pre-release availability as soon as the time-line is a little clearer. We >hope to get it back from the pressing plant sometime in December; there's >still a chance that'll happen in time for the holidays, so of course we'll >keep you posted. That's about all we can say for now, 'cept that we are >currently working on new press materials, planning another European Tour for >this April, and open to hearing any freakin' ideas YOU guys may have on how >to help Rachael reach new audiences, play a college or club show in your >area, or ____??? More than anything else, we know it has been the support of >folks like you that has helped her be able to keep pluggin' away & putting >out records here at MPress, and keep getting the work done, so if anyone has >any creative ideas on getting the word out as we gear up for Release # 3, or >just a new suggestion for a Rachael Sage Candy Flavor, please feel free to >contact us as always. We are hear to, um, serve. Well, within reasonable >limits, of course. >* * * >That's all for now. Stay warm, eat lots of veggie booty, and hope to see >y'all soon. >Peace, xoxo & do your indie-music holiday shopping at CDbaby.com (we love you >Derek!) >- Walter Parks, Margo, Rachael, Jagoda & Rob > >PS - Our friend Linus from Home Office Records has put up a very cool photo >gallery from the recent Rockrgrl Conference in Seattle, & Rachael is in >there, with her new friend & fellow Rockrgrl "Drama" from the band >Switchblade Kittens. Check it out at: http://www.web-ho.com/Seattle2000. >Thanks Linus! >******************************* >http://www.rachaelsage.com >http://www.mp3.com/rachaelsage >http://www.cdbaby.com/sage >toll free 1.877.TRU.SAGE >******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:50:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Re Happy's split Frank Sinatra's creative golden age came after his longtime label, Columbia, dumped him because his records weren't selling. He soon signed with the nascent Capitol label, and with a little help from Nelson Riddle's orchestra, he cut what many consider his greatest records ever. Can history repeat itself, kinda sorta? Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Harrington Subject: Badly Drawn Boy Loretta Wrote: > np: Badly Drawn Boy. Actually it's compulsive. like > it hurts my solar plexus to turn this off. I haven't > felt this way about any music in months and months. I saw them last night in SF. I had no previous exposure to them at all - nothing. They spent more time goofing than playing and I found that a little anoying. When they were playing, I though I could see a little glimmer of greatness, but for me it was clouded by the 'event'. Is the CD at all self-indulgent? Drew Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #347 **************************