From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #333 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, November 9 2000 Volume 06 : Number 333 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: emaline delapaix? [Andrew Fries ] Re: emaline delapaix? [Neile Graham ] erection day ["Michael Mendelson" ] RE: erection day [Loretta Pontillo ] Re: erection day [drop the holupki ] Re: erection day ["Suzanna Otting" ] Re: erection day [FAMarcus@aol.com] RE: erection day [Loretta Pontillo ] Briskeby info [Yngve Hauge ] Re: erection day [ToriCure@aol.com] Re: erection day [Talamasca ] Re: erection day [Birdie ] Re: cd release show for Dog Logic by Kathleen Yearwood--Edmonton, AB [Les] Re: erection day [meredith ] Re: erection day [James Mitchell ] Re: erection day ["Mark M Matthies" ] More West Coast Dates Added For Merrie Amsterberg [Michael Curry Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Jens Brage (no Email address) ********************** ******************** Lynn Garrett (LynnK68685@aol.com) ******************** ********************** Sam Murgie (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Marla Tiara Tue November 13 1973 Scorpio Neil K. Thu November 14 1968 Grocible Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:36:15 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: emaline delapaix? On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, meredith wrote: >Hi! > >Here's a question for the Australian Ectophiles ... anyone know of a band >called Emaline Delapaix? > >The name is ringing a bell so I'm wondering if they've been mentioned here >and I just didn't pay enough attention. I'm slipping, definitely. Because until now I never heard of Emaline Delapaix, so if anyone mentioned them, I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. Quick search on google provides a few leads including some in foreign languages; yet it seems Emaline Delapaix is indeed from Australia, in fact from Melbourne. Emaline is the singer, but the band is named after her. They/she performed on the same bill with Wendy Rule, which is a recommendation in my book. They have a page on mp3.com, and I'm downloading their tracks as I type this. - ------------------------------------------------------ "The Optimist proclaims we live in the best of all possible worlds. The Pessimist fears this is true" - James Branch Cabell - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 07:09:24 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: emaline delapaix? meredith asked: >Here's a question for the Australian Ectophiles ... anyone know of a band >called Emaline Delapaix? > >The name is ringing a bell so I'm wondering if they've been mentioned here >and I just didn't pay enough attention. She's someone that Pepper (Acton) McGowan recommended to me a while back, so I downloaded her files from mp3.com. Promising. I also feel certain that she's been at least mentioned on ecto, but I can't find it in my files. She has contacted the Ectophiles' Guide about sending some music for review, but hasn't done so yet. That's my non-Australian report. - --Neile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:22:38 -0600 From: "Michael Mendelson" Subject: erection day Suzanna Otting wrote: >>>And it's Election Day (in the US) too! (Vote for the Green Party!) What a wonderful day this is. :)<<< Or maybe not so wonderful... if you consider that ralph nader basically acted as a spoiler for Gore. Do you green party voters really believe that there is no difference between a Gore and Bush white house?!? Gimme a break! - -mjm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:44:46 -0500 From: Loretta Pontillo Subject: RE: erection day not that a political discussion is good for my digestion right now, but I really debated this issue of Nader being a spoiler for a long time. I was lying awake monday night, going, "do I vote my heart or do I vote to cover my ass?" and I chose my heart, because I wanted to go home respecting myself. of course, it was a little easier because I live in New York, which isn't a swing state. I knew it was pretty safe, that the vote would go to gore anyway. we seriously need to overthrow this electoral college shit and go with a PR-STV system, like in Ireland. I'll explain the system below, if anyone's interested. If not, you can stop here. :) - -Loretta The basic idea of that system - Proportional Representation with a Single Transferrable Vote-- is that you rate the candidates in order, so you can have first, second, and third choices. It would be like this. You'd get the list of candidates and you'd get to rank them... So I personally would say, Gore -2 Bush - Nader -1 (I could give Bush my third choice, but I wouldn't because I'd rather not.) (I'm making these numbers up completely). Say Gore gets 2,200,000 votes. Bush gets 2,300,000 votes. Nader gets 200,000 votes. They would say that the winning threshold is half plus one of all votes cast. In my theoretical case, the threshhold would be 2,350,001. No one got that threshold in the first count. So they'd toss out the lowest "scoring" guy. In this case, Nader. And they'd distribute those 150,000 according to those people's SECOND choice. Presumably, 99% of people who voted Nader would have Gore as a second choice. So say they'd give 190,000 more votes to Gore. So then Gore would end up at 2,390,000 votes -- over the threshold -- and he'd win. Doesn't that make more sense? Then you can vote your heart, AND cover your ass. The system allows for more independant candidates. Actually, with PR-STV, Nader probably would have gotten a much higher percentage because people wouldn't have that heart/ass conundrum :) I'm telling you guys this because the more people who know about PR-STV, the better. It's sort of a daydream of mine, that someday we'll have it here. If you want to know more about it, you can ask me. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 11:49:15 -0500 From: drop the holupki Subject: Re: erection day when we last left our heroes, Michael Mendelson exclaimed: >Or maybe not so wonderful... if you consider that ralph nader basically >acted as a spoiler for Gore. Do you green party voters really believe that >there is no difference between a Gore and Bush white house?!? Gimme a >break! paging dr. schiavo. paging dr. schiavo to ecto. ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 10:42:34 -0800 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: erection day - -- On Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:22:38 Michael Mendelson wrote: > >Suzanna Otting wrote: > >>>>And it's Election Day (in the US) too! (Vote for the Green Party!) What >a wonderful day this is. :)<<< > >Or maybe not so wonderful... if you consider that ralph nader basically >acted as a spoiler for Gore. Do you green party voters really believe that >there is no difference between a Gore and Bush white house?!? Gimme a >break! >-mjm I've never heard anyone endorse that idea...Green Party voters do believe in supporting the eventuality of a three party system! I really don't like the thought that people of an environmental mindset owed Gore their vote because he's an environmentalist. Voting is about supporting what you believe to be the better system-- there is no virtue in being on the winning side in politics unless that is a side that supports what you believe. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:09:17 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: erection day In a message dated 11/8/00 1:53:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, excelsis@angelfire.com writes: << Voting is about supporting what you believe to be the better system >> it's not quite that black and white. voting should be something that is done with the end result kept firmly in mind. cutting off a nose to spite a face is not the realistic answer. if you know that a candidate has not a snowball's chance in hell to win then you have to ask yourself what your action is going to do when the vote is tallied. if you look at the vote for the two independents then its obvious that nader hurt gore much more than bucannan hurt bush. and that is what has determined this election. principles are really good things...............most of the time. logic works better for me though. fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:59:04 -0500 From: Loretta Pontillo Subject: RE: erection day FAMarcus@aol.com asked the question, * if you know that a candidate has not a * snowball's chance in hell to win then you have to ask * yourself what your * action is going to do when the vote is tallied. Look, no vote casted is a vote wasted. There are parts of me that are sad that Bush might just very well win becuase of the nader factor. But the thing is, Nader is our best hope. And if people don't vote for him, he's not going to get any support. We need to look to the future. I despise Bush but maybe next election they'll let Ralph debate, fer crissakes. Maybe not. It's all moot now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:12:01 +0100 (CET) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Briskeby info Hi, The new Briskeby site is up at www.briskeby.com ... noticed a few bugs still, but it looks really cool. Pretty interesting that a german female artist managed to put out a cover of their song Propaganda before Briskeby could get their single out - I like their debut album "Jeans for Onassis" alot ... - -- Yngve n.p. Lene Marlin - Playing My Game n.r. John E. Stith - Manhattan Transfer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 18:32:19 EST From: ToriCure@aol.com Subject: Re: erection day << Voting is about supporting what you believe to be the better system >> it's not quite that black and white. voting should be something that is done with the end result kept firmly in mind. cutting off a nose to spite a face is not the realistic answer. if you know that a candidate has not a snowball's chance in hell to win then you have to ask yourself what your action is going to do when the vote is tallied. if you look at the vote for the two independents then its obvious that nader hurt gore much more than bucannan hurt bush. and that is what has determined this election. principles are really good things...............most of the time. logic works better for me though. fred Rock on Fred! I completely agree. If Satan (Bush) gets elected in the White House, I think we will all notice a major difference in the US. I think some idealistic people who voted for Nader will regret it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:10:36 -0600 From: Talamasca Subject: Re: erection day At 02:09 PM 11/8/00 EST, FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: >if you look at the vote for >the two independents then its obvious that nader hurt gore much more than >bucannan hurt bush. and that is what has determined this election. >principles are really good things...............most of the time. logic >works better for me though. Principles are what decided my vote. But it was not my principles that mattered, so much as Gore's. It was Gore's principles, or more specifically the lack thereof, that caused me not to vote for him. He didn't stand for anything, at least anything I cared about. He talked on and on about issues which were not mine, and avoided or waffled on issues I care more about. When he did speak, I could not believe that _he_ believed, was saying more than what was politically prudent. Look, it was not my responsibility to vote for Gore; it was Gore's responsibility to earn my vote. He did not do that. I could never in my life support someone like Bush, or nutters like Buchanan. Nader spoke out against corporate control of society, which is something that I see. And I felt that I could believe him, so he earned my vote. I have no guilt over this, nor should anyone else. Of course, it helps that I voted in a state for which the Gore-Bush gap was greater than the number of votes given to third parties. (At least I helped the dead guy win....) John Higdon (Talamasca) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:08:11 -0800 From: Birdie Subject: Re: erection day Hey In Humboldt County our percentages went down as this GREEN 13% GORE 45% BUSH 40% The Arcata City Council IS green. It is rebuilding the economy after all the Demo/Republican years left just a wee 5% of the ancient forests standing...and the Salmon endangered. The Greens are helping to get the area out of the logging and fishing industries - into new healthy sustainable ones and protecting and managing "the children" of the ancient trees...and whats left of the fish. It's working - it is FAR FAR better than what went on before which was complete wonton rape of the environment. People need to wake up and get a clue. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:42:39 -0600 From: Leslie Vermeer Subject: Re: cd release show for Dog Logic by Kathleen Yearwood--Edmonton, AB Hello, Well, you have at least one, and I appreciate the news. Thanks for posting this! Leslie > I don't think we have any readers in Edmonton, but just in case. > > I wish I could be there for that. Kathleen Yearwood is _amazing_ live. > > --Neile > > n.p. election results. Ack! > >> Date: 7 Nov 00 21:25:04 MST >> From: >> Subject: cd release show for Dog Logic by Kathleen Yearwood >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> >> Dear everyone, you don't want to miss this. December 9th at New City Likwid >> Lounge at 10161-112 street in Edmonton, Alberta. With Paulus Kressman on >> drums. We play at midnight so that gives you Europeans lots of time to catch >> a >> flight, and you're welcome to crash in my hotel room, or at my house, for >> that >> matter.I'm not promising naked male go-go dancers 'cause I haven't found them >> yet. But there will be broken glass and new songs. COME. k >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net > Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines > The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 21:08:36 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: erection day Hi, The thing that amazes me is, they're saying that nationwide, Nader got less than 4% of the popular vote. It seems as though I know every single person who voted for him personally. I really do think that's true, as far as Connecticut is concerned! I voted my conscience because I knew I lived in a state where a vote for Nader wasn't going to end up helping Junior. But I have to be truthful: had I lived in Florida, I would have voted for Gore, because the stakes were so much higher there and the race so much closer. I wish the other people in Florida who voted for Nader had been of the same mindset. :/ +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:16 -0600 From: James Mitchell Subject: Re: erection day Michael Mendelson wrote: > > Suzanna Otting wrote: > > >>>And it's Election Day (in the US) too! (Vote for the Green Party!) What > a wonderful day this is. :)<<< > > Or maybe not so wonderful... if you consider that ralph nader basically > acted as a spoiler for Gore. Do you green party voters really believe that > there is no difference between a Gore and Bush white house?!? Gimme a > break! > -mjm Well, Yes. There are of course going to be diferences. Ultimately though, what the last administration has taught me is that in our current political climate, the threats that Republicans pose to life, to liberty, and to property, are diferent but no less profound than those posed by the Democrats. Bill Clinton has happily backed nearly every measure to reach his desk that infringed on first amendment rights, that narrowed the definition of illegal search and seizure, or broadened the reach of large corporations. Democrats have a reputation for being soft on crime, but Bill Clinton has been an unwavering advocate for broadening the powers of the FBI. On these counts, Al Gore has convinced me that he would not only continue on the same path, but step up his support for the erosion of the constitution. Further, as an oponent of the death penalty, I find it disturbing that both Gore and Bush have publically favored it, even now as it becomes increasingly aparent that in many cases there are grave issues with the process, to the extent of executing innocent men. Social Security? Its pretty well meaningless to me. Both candidates blew some hokum about how they would step in to save it, but from what I could tell, it mostly depended on accounting tricks, not new ideas. Abortion? It survived Nixon. It survived Reagan. It survived George Bush Sr. Perhaps Bush will nominate judges that are more conservative that Gore would, but given Clinton's record there, its hard to believe the balance will be unduly shifted. It is true that if Bush is truly elected, a number of us will regret having voted for Nader, even living in districts where that vote was piss in the wind of one party or the other. On the other hand, if Gore wins, I believe that a number of realpolitik-ers who backed him grudgingly will wish they had backed Nader. Last night, as I waited to see what would become of us, whether it would be Satan or Dracula who got the girl in the final reel, I turned up an interesting Nader phenomenon in the exit polls. It was hardly an exhaustive look, but it appears in many places that the Nader camp was fairly evenly divided idealogically. I doubt he drew too heavily from the Pave the Forrests / Abortion doctors should be tried for Murder camp, but he got a reasonable fraction of his support from the moderate right, as well as from the Left. Its a trend I saw repeated among the people I knew as well. There are as many, if not more conservatives concerned with the civil rights and trade issues that were Nader's bread and butter through the campaign. Lastly, I would like to point out that this was hardly a zero sum game, as many of the "you killed democracy" camp seem to believe. Faced with the choice between Bush and Gore, I would never vote for either of the sick bastards. I might toss in for the Libertarians in a pinch, but I probably wouldn't have bothered to vote. Likewise with many if not most of the Nader camp this year. My point is twofold. That untill the "you killed America" people can offer me some solid numbers to demonstrate exactly how Nader really hurt Gore, not how they wish it were, with every vote for Nader being a vote stolen from Gore, they can stick it up their collective asses. Also, that were either of the major party candidates as they have presented themselves through the endless months of the campaign, and through the several years of their respective careers, to kiss me on the ass, and do so with such passion and alacrity that wind whistled between my teeth, I still wouldn't vote for either of the bastards. Yours, With no dearth of Sincerity, James Mitchell jmitchel@jmitchel.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:00:49 -0800 From: "Mark M Matthies" Subject: Re: erection day Hello, Ecto list! I guess I picked the right time to join this list. There's nothing like seeing topics such as this being discussed with such intensity-- especially when I was expecting something more to do with Happy Rhodes. But don't get me wrong, I'm NOT complaining! My name is Mark. I live in the Pacific Northwest, and "accidentally" discovered Happy Rhodes' Many Worlds Are Born Tonight in the $1.99 bin of an obscure Oregon herb/book/music store while on a road trip to the redwoods in July. I bought it because I liked the cover art and figured for two bucks-- what the hell. Oh, happy happy! Both my 15 year old daughter and I loved it. Enough boring details about me. Please get on with the [political?] discussions! MarK P.S. I'm a Nader supporter, too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mitchell" To: "Michael Mendelson" Cc: "ecto" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:09 PM Subject: Re: erection day > Well, Yes. > > There are of course going to be diferences. Ultimately though, what the > last administration has taught me is that in our current political > climate, the threats that Republicans pose to life, to liberty, and to ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:44:22 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: More West Coast Dates Added For Merrie Amsterberg More chances for west coasters to catch Merrie... >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:17:32 -0500 >From: Jessica Smyser >Subject: WEST COAST DATES ADDED FOR MERRIE AMSTERBURG > >Hello! The following 3 dates have just been added, Merrie may not >be listed in the paper as this is kind of last minute but she will >be there. Please note that the time listed is exactly when she is >going on (she plays first) and her sets are about 30 minutes long >so please get there on time so as not to miss her. All three of >these shows are with Teddy Thompson http://www.teddythompson.com/ >and Sarah Harmer http://www.sarahharmer.com/ so it's worth sticking >around after Merrie's set! > >** Friday, November 10 >Merrie returns to Seattle, this time to play the Century Ballroom >at 915 E. Pine street. The number of the club is 206.324.7263 >http://www.centuryballroom/ Merrie goes on at 8 PM. > >** Saturday, November 11 >Barbati's Pan, 231 SW Ankemy in Portland OR. 503.248.4579 Merrie >goes on at 7 PM. > >** Monday, November 13 >Last Day Saloon, 406 Clement St, San Francisco CA 415.387.6343 >http://www.lastdaysaloon.com Merrie goes on at 9 PM > > >And don't forget these previously confirmed appearance... > >** Saturday, November 11 >Music Millenium In-store Portland, OR. 2:30 pm. MUSIC MILLENNIUM - >NORTHWEST -- 801 NW 23RD (AT JOHNSON) 503.248.0163 >http://www.musicmillennium.com/ > >** Wednesday, November 15 >The Troubador, Los Angeles CA w/ Sarah Harmer >9081 Santa Monica Blvd. 310.276.6168 > >** Thursday, November 16 >Borders Books & Music 3700 Torrance Blvd Torrance, CA >310.540.7000 5 PM > >Highland Grounds,724 N Highland Los Angeles, CA 8 PM >http://www.highlandgrounds.com/ w/ Wendie Colter > >Thanks to everyone who has come out so far! >__________________________________________________ >Q Division Records 363 Highland Ave. Somerville, MA 02144 617-625-9900 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:42:09 -0600 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Mediocrity - Samson - Creativity Greetings, It is snowing or sleeting-- some variety of frozen water is hitting the ground. That's rather early for North Texas. We haven't even had fall yet. The leaves are still on the trees. My guess (since I read the digest and can't see what you guys are doing tonight) is Happy's website is the topic of discussion for the evening. Let me join in. Mediocrity, what a dismissive word. I have met mediocrity, I have been mediocre, and Happy Rhodes is not mediocre. Quiet, subtle, but not mediocre. I bet the Samson people wanted love songs out of Miss Rhodes. Isn't that what all record execs want? A snappy little three minute ode to love with a great hook. Something that doesn't tax the brain too much. Has Happy ever written a conventional love song? I don't think so. "Come Here" might qualify, except for that last verse about being in the closet. "You Never Told Me" borders on being a love song. It is at least a good you done me wrong song. "Hold Me" seems to be a love song but is oblique and doesn't spell it out in large letters. "Omar" is certainly a love song, but it seems to be a love song to an imaginary middle eastern lover. Oh well. What Samson didn't understand is most of Happy's songs are love songs to the human race. If I have my choice of some skinny twenty year old singing about his girl or her boy and a thinker who sings about the human condition, I'll swarm all over the thinker. "Looking Over Cliffs," a lament about what whites have done to Indians and how they are somehow mankind's salvation in their extinction. "Collective Heart," a celebration of our togetherness (computer assisted though it may be). In "Save Our Souls" Miss Rhodes points out our emptiness. She is pointing this out for our edification so that we can stop looking toward the heavens for our salvation and turn inward and do something about our feeling of emptiness. I could go on but I'd bore you more than I already have. Great lyricists (and if Happy isn't there, I think she shows signs of getting there someday) don't write love songs, at least not in the conventional top twenty sense. Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, Paul Simon, Kurt Weill, Joni Mitchell, these people don't write straight love songs. They embrace the human condition and write about it. If their writing illuminates a lover occasionally, it is in the service of reporting the way we are. So, there, Samson. You didn't know what you had in your hands. On the subject of Happy letting an exective who doesn't understand the creative process get to her, Happy needs to stick to her own counsel, as all artists should. It is amazing how many artists are laughed at in their lifetime and then beatified once dead. Let your creativity lead you. If you're wrong and no one wants to listen to the stuff you wrote, you at least were true to yourself and probably enjoyed the creating. If you're right, the very people telling you you don't know what you are doing will be talking about how they knew you before you won the Pulitzer, Nobel, or whatever (grammy?). I hope Samson's owning Happy's back catalog doesn't hinder new listener's access to a trove of good music. Cynic that I am-- all it will take is one moderate hit song on Happy's part and they will exploit the fire out of her back catalog. And, continuing with my cynicism, all it takes nowadays is getting a song in a hit movie. I can see the stickers on the CD's: "You heard her in 'Blair Witch Meets the Exorcist,' now listen to her other love songs." Our singing waitress needs to tighten her apron strings and keep those love songs to mankind coming out of the kitchen like hotcakes. Bye, Lyle n.p. Just finished. Little Jack Melody and His Young Turks: World of Fireworks ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #333 **************************