From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #327 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 06 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Vampires and new stuff [anna maria "stjärnell" ] For sale/trade [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: feelin' tropical songs ["Valerie Nozick" ] Re: vampire songs [canetoad@panix.com] music for bloodsucking freaks [dmw ] RE: liz phair and the girlysound tapes ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] RE: liz phair and the girlysound tapes [jjhanson@att.net] Re: vampire songs ["Rosana L. de Oliveira" ] Re: vampire songs [Joseph Zitt ] Re: vampire songs [Ian Clysdale ] Re: vampire songs ["ReNeEz DaBoMb" ] Re: music for bloodsucking freaks ["ReNeEz DaBoMb" ] 'Nother girl & piano [Neile Graham ] Melissa Ferrick's new live CD [Mark Miazga ] RE: vampire songs ["Jack Sutton" ] Vampire Songs [tenthvictim@mindspring.com] Re: vampire songs [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: vampire songs [vylette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Vampires and new stuff Hi.. Should have remembered Sting's song..I even have the Concrete Blonde disc myself. Getting forgetful in my old age.. Some new stuff.. Donnette Thayer Chaos and Wonder Ethereal stuff with bite. Lovely cover of Bali hai. Squonk Opera Howandever. Bonkers progressive ecto. Love it. Magnetic Fields 69 love songs disc 1 This is only part 1 and i'm stunned by the wit and variaton of it. A whole box set would swamp me. and the PJ one keeps stunning me. she is soo good its scary. Anna Maria np-Squonk Opera_howandever __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: For sale/trade Hi.. Looking to sell/trade a promo of Leila's Courtesy of Choice that has a tack that is not on the regular edition. Mail me off-list with offers. Still have Changelings Terra Firma for sale/trade as well. Anna Maria __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:28:13 -0500 From: "Valerie Nozick" Subject: Re: feelin' tropical songs Well, I don't know any Celine Dion or Britney Spears songs that fit the bill, but how about a Garth Brooks one? "Two Pina Coladas", which feels more Jimmy Buffet than Garth Brooks. ==> Valerie *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/31/00, at 3:01 PM, Loretta Pontillo wrote: >hey ecto people, > >here's a task for us... maybe not a strictly ecto one, but I'm pretty sure >that fans of Celine Dion and Britney Spears would be at a loss here. > >I'm feeling pretty bummed out/snowed in ALEADY and it's not even quite >November yet. So I'm making a tropical mix for myself. So far I have: > >Put the Lime in the Coconut (the original and the muppet version) >Montego Bay >The Banana Song - Day-o >Margaritaville >I'm sort of on the fence about it, but sometimes I really like "Copa Cabana" >-- it's so funny >Key Largo (Sarah Vaugn)-- not strictly tropical but it could serve as an >intro or outro to the mix... > >a lot of these seem to be about drinking -- odd. Well, anyway. Does anyone >have any suggestions of tropical feeling songs? I hope I'm making sense >here. > >Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: canetoad@panix.com Subject: Re: vampire songs Anna Maria wrote: > A new thread..Does anybody know any vampire songs.. There's an album called "Music from the Succubus Club" (http://www.succubusclub.com/) containing music by various artists inspired by a vampire RPG. It's not so much supposed to be music about vampires, more sort of music for vampires, if that makes any sense. It's pretty uneven, there's a fair bit of the cheese usually associated with vampire songs, although there are a few standout tracks, my favorite being the one by the Cru:xshadows. Not much of it is particularly ectoish, although Kristeen Young does have a track, "Rotting on the Vine". From what I remember you wouldn't necessarily think 'vampire' if you heard it out of context. Sunshine Blind also has a track, which brings me to what Rosana said elsewhere in this thread: > There is a Sunshine Blind (a gothic band with a female vocalist) song > titled "Burned at the Stake" in the album "Love the Sky to Death". Er, that's witches isn't it? "If they find us we will burn like witches..." I really wish they would release something new or at least put some real content on their website (http://www.sunshineblind.net/). > n.p. Faith And The Muse - Evidence Of Heaven I love Faith And The Muse! They now hold the record for "band I have travelled farthest to see live," I went from New York to Atlanta. Ok, the fact that The Changelings were also on the bill had a lot to do with my decision to go... It was well worth the trip. "Evidence Of Heaven" is my favorite at the moment, although that's subject to change. Do you have version I or II? - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:50:52 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: music for bloodsucking freaks at one point i started making a mix tape of nothing but vampire songs. blue oyster cult has a lot, including 'tattoo vampire,' 'nosferatu' (based on drac's sea voyage to england from the stoker novel) and 'i love the night' (a tender, pretty, love song, if you please.) i included the title track from the nield's _gotta get over greta_ for the line "she was the vampire and i was her victim" and jonathan richman's "i like vampire girls" (which i think has a different title, but that's how the chorus goes.) i also have a special fondness for roky erickson's "burn the flames" ("here i set a vampire at my piano...") - -- d. np pearl jam 20 06 00 - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:14:05 -0600 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: liz phair and the girlysound tapes I am a huge Liz fan, but don't have the girlysound tapes. Thanks for the recommendation, Loretta. I also wanted to mention that Liz sings the theme song for the new NBC Thursday night show "Cursed". I was quite surprised to realize that it was her singing a tv theme song. Check it out tonight at 7:30 if you can. It's a pretty cool tune. np Smashing Pumpkins - Friends and Enemies of Modern Music - -----Original Message----- From: Loretta Pontillo [mailto:lpontillo@exchange-east.xceed.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:15 PM To: 'ecto@smoe.org' Subject: liz phair and the girlysound tapes Is anyone here a Liz Phair fan? have you heard any of the girlysounds tapes? I "inherited" a bootleg of them from an ex and I think a lot of the songs are great. some of them deserve to have been buried but some kick butt, particularly "sometimes a dream can make you a slave" and "can't get out of what I'm into." rough, but killer good. some of the songs are sort of versions 1.0 of songs that appeared on later albums, and it's fascinating to see how they started out. also, some lyrical themes recurr and you can sort of trace Liz's mind moving around. I recommend looking for it. :) Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:52:03 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: RE: liz phair and the girlysound tapes Melanie Matoon writes: > I am a huge Liz fan, but don't have the girlysound tapes. Thanks for the > recommendation, Loretta. I also wanted to mention that Liz sings the theme > song for the new NBC Thursday night show "Cursed". I was quite surprised to > realize that it was her singing a tv theme song. Check it out tonight at > 7:30 if you can. It's a pretty cool tune. I happened to see that last night and was wondering who was singing it--it definitely didn't have the typical theme song sound--still was pretty catchy though--too bad the show isn't very good. Jeff Hanson n.p. Hector Zazou - Songs from the Cold Seas n.r. The Hundred Secret Senses - Amy Tan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:56:24 -0800 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Re: favorite instruments > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:50:23 EST > From: KBolin0418@aol.com > Subject: Re: favorite instruments > > In a message dated 00-11-01 02:56:12 EST, Jerene writes: > > << I really like didgeridoo and theremin--especially together.>> > > Can you please name some records with this combination? > > Thanks, > Karen > No available recordings. There was a performance of "Odd Instruments" in San Diego in which theremin (Marc Yaxley), didgeridoo (Randy Graves) and drums (Ray somebody) were played together. I have a video of it. Regarding odd instruments... Two books with cds have the oddest sounding music from the oddest instruments I have ever heard: Orbitones, Spoon Harps & Bellowphones. and Gravikords, Whirlies & Pyrophones. My partner wants to make a fire organ, but I won't let him. - --Jerene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:15:39 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: RE: liz phair and the girlysound tapes > I happened to see that last night oops--that should have been last week ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:42:54 -0500 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: Re: vampire songs At 11:06 AM 11/02/2000 -0500, Larne wrote: Hello, >> There is a Sunshine Blind (a gothic band with a female vocalist) song >> titled "Burned at the Stake" in the album "Love the Sky to Death". > >Er, that's witches isn't it? "If they find us we will burn like >witches..." Well, yeah, though if it weren't for this little verse, the song could refer to vampires anytime. :) But okay, it's been quite a while since I last listened to Sunshine Blind that I should have looked better so I apologize for the little mistake. Also regarding the vampire subject, I don't know how I could forget to mention two Bauhaus songs, "The Three Shadows Part II" and "Bela Lugosi's Dead". This last one was the opening song of the movie "The Hunger" with David Bowie and Catherine Deneuve. I've been getting kinda forgetful lately. >> n.p. Faith And The Muse - Evidence Of Heaven > >I love Faith And The Muse! They now hold the record for "band I have >travelled farthest to see live," I went from New York to Atlanta. Yeah, I have travelled great distances to see the bands that I like too, since most of the ones that I like won't come to Brazil at all. Ok, >the fact that The Changelings were also on the bill had a lot to do >with my decision to go... It was well worth the trip. > >"Evidence Of Heaven" is my favorite at the moment, although that's >subject to change. Do you have version I or II? Well, I gather I have version I, since I bought my copy quite some time ago, in March or April. I didn't even know they had a new version for it (I went back to their site yesterday for the first time in months). So, are there any big differences between the two versions? Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Rasputina - How We Quit The Forest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:58:14 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: vampire songs Probably about as un-Ecto ( would that make it "Otce"?) as can be: Rob Zombie, "Dragula". It's not really a vampire song (but then, he's not really a singer). p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:25:15 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: vampire songs On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:58:14PM -0800, Phil Hudson wrote: > > Probably about as un-Ecto ( would that make it "Otce"?) as can be: > Rob Zombie, "Dragula". Actually, "Otce" is a track from The Plastic People of the Universe's "Passion Play". Probably not Ecto, though terrifying and catchy. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:13:46 -0500 From: Ian Clysdale Subject: Re: vampire songs > A new thread..Does anybody know any vampire songs..I > know Happy's He Will Come and Hannah Fury's Vampire > waltz. A seasonal topic and all.. While only debatably a "vampire song," William Burroughs' "Words of Advice for Young People" comes to mind. He definitely touches on vampires in the middle of the rest of his ranting. "If, after having been exposed to someone's presence, you feel as if you've lost a quart of plasma, avoid that presence. You need it like you need pernicious anemia. We don't like to hear the word 'vampire' around here; we're trying to improve our public image. Building a kindly, avuncular, benevolent image; 'interdependence' is the keyword -- 'enlightened interdependence.'" ian. (np Dar Williams - Mortal City. This album has suddenly really started to grow on me after having sat unlistened for a long time, and is constantly sneaking back into my CD player now). - -- ian clysdale / "the sort of person who routinely uses phrases like ian@redmaplegrove.org / 'incompletely socialized' usually thinks hackers are. hacker,druid,linguist / hackers regard such people with contempt when they www.redmaplegrove.org / notice them at all." - the jargon file. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:56:25 -0600 From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" Subject: Re: vampire songs Faith and the Muse Kicks MAD ASS!!! I like Black tape For a Blue Girl, better though... this is interesting, cause I didn't knw there were that many Goths on the list.. "Here's to darkening the days, and pro-longing the nights" ~renee N.P.-the best of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds... - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:42:54 -0500 At 11:06 AM 11/02/2000 -0500, Larne wrote: Hello, >> There is a Sunshine Blind (a gothic band with a female vocalist) song >> titled "Burned at the Stake" in the album "Love the Sky to Death". > >Er, that's witches isn't it? "If they find us we will burn like >witches..." Well, yeah, though if it weren't for this little verse, the song could refer to vampires anytime. :) But okay, it's been quite a while since I last listened to Sunshine Blind that I should have looked better so I apologize for the little mistake. Also regarding the vampire subject, I don't know how I could forget to mention two Bauhaus songs, "The Three Shadows Part II" and "Bela Lugosi's Dead". This last one was the opening song of the movie "The Hunger" with David Bowie and Catherine Deneuve. I've been getting kinda forgetful lately. >> n.p. Faith And The Muse - Evidence Of Heaven > >I love Faith And The Muse! They now hold the record for "band I have >travelled farthest to see live," I went from New York to Atlanta. Yeah, I have travelled great distances to see the bands that I like too, since most of the ones that I like won't come to Brazil at all. Ok, >the fact that The Changelings were also on the bill had a lot to do >with my decision to go... It was well worth the trip. > >"Evidence Of Heaven" is my favorite at the moment, although that's >subject to change. Do you have version I or II? Well, I gather I have version I, since I bought my copy quite some time ago, in March or April. I didn't even know they had a new version for it (I went back to their site yesterday for the first time in months). So, are there any big differences between the two versions? Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Rasputina - How We Quit The Forest - -- ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! - -- - ---------- Original Message ------------------------ From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:42:54 -0500 At 11:06 AM 11/02/2000 -0500, Larne wrote: Hello, >> There is a Sunshine Blind (a gothic band with a female vocalist) song >> titled "Burned at the Stake" in the album "Love the Sky to Death". > >Er, that's witches isn't it? "If they find us we will burn like >witches..." Well, yeah, though if it weren't for this little verse, the song could refer to vampires anytime. :) But okay, it's been quite a while since I last listened to Sunshine Blind that I should have looked better so I apologize for the little mistake. Also regarding the vampire subject, I don't know how I could forget to mention two Bauhaus songs, "The Three Shadows Part II" and "Bela Lugosi's Dead". This last one was the opening song of the movie "The Hunger" with David Bowie and Catherine Deneuve. I've been getting kinda forgetful lately. >> n.p. Faith And The Muse - Evidence Of Heaven > >I love Faith And The Muse! They now hold the record for "band I have >travelled farthest to see live," I went from New York to Atlanta. Yeah, I have travelled great distances to see the bands that I like too, since most of the ones that I like won't come to Brazil at all. Ok, >the fact that The Changelings were also on the bill had a lot to do >with my decision to go... It was well worth the trip. > >"Evidence Of Heaven" is my favorite at the moment, although that's >subject to change. Do you have version I or II? Well, I gather I have version I, since I bought my copy quite some time ago, in March or April. I didn't even know they had a new version for it (I went back to their site yesterday for the first time in months). So, are there any big differences between the two versions? Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Rasputina - How We Quit The Forest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:59:07 -0600 From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" Subject: Re: music for bloodsucking freaks Cleopatra (the Record label) has a Comp. CD out called 'Vampire Themes' thats along that line... ~Renee - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: dmw Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:50:52 -0500 (EST) at one point i started making a mix tape of nothing but vampire songs. blue oyster cult has a lot, including 'tattoo vampire,' 'nosferatu' (based on drac's sea voyage to england from the stoker novel) and 'i love the night' (a tender, pretty, love song, if you please.) i included the title track from the nield's _gotta get over greta_ for the line "she was the vampire and i was her victim" and jonathan richman's "i like vampire girls" (which i think has a different title, but that's how the chorus goes.) i also have a special fondness for roky erickson's "burn the flames" ("here i set a vampire at my piano...") - -- d. np pearl jam 20 06 00 - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop - -- ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:22:11 -0800 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: vampire songs Although not exactly vampiric or "interdependent", "Rock the Goddess" by Serpentine, has some interesting elements of the occult: "Little Witch House" is fun; and "Victorious" has a very wonderful moody, smouldering feel which erupts to great effect, toward the end of the song. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:24:51 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: 'Nother girl & piano Anyone still interested in hearing another girl w/ piano (at least mostly--there's lots more instrumentation, too) might want to give Teramis Hirsch a listen. I just happened to run across her sound files at CD Baby, and was intrigued enough to order the cd to go with Anne O'Meara Heaton's live disc (which I also like, but that's another story). And there's a song called "vamp" that starts "i was bitten by this friend of mine". This is full of interesting sounds. Anyone who had trouble with the different time signatures going on at the same time in Pepper Acton McGowan's disc might not like this either, but if you're interested in weird timings and off-beat songs, you might like this as much as I do. There are a few Tori-influenced soundings here, but mostly not, I'd say. And she does that little scratchy throat sound that Tori does sometimes (but so do other singers). There are sound samples at www.cdbaby.com and I'm going to go check out www.terami.com Anyway, I like her a lot so far. The disc only arrived yesterday. - --Neile np: terami hirsch--all girl band nr: Artemisia (a fictionalized biography of the painter, Artemisia Gentilleschi - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:58:03 -0500 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Melissa Ferrick's new live CD Melissa Ferrick's new double-CD live set, a recording of her show earlier this year at Berklee, is available for pre-order from CD Baby.com. Check it out - should be good. - -- Mark Miazga miazgama@msu.edu http://go.to/MarkMiazga 157 Phillips Hall East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 355-4991 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Masters of Arts in Curriculum and Teaching Student Teacher, Eastern High School Assistant Hall Director, Snyder-Phillips Hall ********************************** I Support Al Gore for US President & Debbie Stabenow for US Senate! http://www.algore2000.com http://www.stabenow2000.net/ ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:28:45 -0800 From: "Jack Sutton" Subject: RE: vampire songs Well, we recently added a vampire to our catalog..well she goes by the name Vampire http://www.hrmusic.com/discos/fafram39.html. She kinda looks like a vampire. She's from Japan and since I don't speak Japanese, I have no idea if any of her songs are actually about vampires. Jack Sutton Harmony Ridge Music www.hrmusic.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Phil Hudson Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:22 PM To: 'Da_Beav@transylvanians.org'; ecto@smoe.org Subject: RE: vampire songs Although not exactly vampiric or "interdependent", "Rock the Goddess" by Serpentine, has some interesting elements of the occult: "Little Witch House" is fun; and "Victorious" has a very wonderful moody, smouldering feel which erupts to great effect, toward the end of the song. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:37:15 -0600 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Vampire Songs Hola, You folks are uncanny. While your keyboards clacked away at each other last night, discussing vampire songs, I sat on my bed surrounded by six or seven songs in various stages of decomposition. One song I picked up and sang in my head, wincing at the words as I sang it, was a tender complaint to a vampire lover. How easily you fell into my evil clutches. Because you chose to bring up the subject, you will now have to pay the price. You will have to read the lyrics of my song. The song is titled, "Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Day." Oops. Wrong title. Dracula Vs Poolman The things he found in the pool. Shriveled animals drained of blood. Crucifixes and mirrors. Chorus: I will not, I will not, I will not hide the bones. I will not, I will not, I will not plant the flesh. Some days he thought it would be best To leave the mansion's lapping waves. Leave the chlorine and the filters. Chorus Oh, to turn and walk away. Drop the letter on the corpse In the coffin in the basement. Chorus He would have to watch his neck. Bar his door against the night. And the boss who'd not forget him. Chorus So the garden lush with flowers Creeps ever closer to the pool, Its unhallowed roses blooming. Chorus Okay. Did anyone have to gnaw off a leg to survive the reading? If so, do not send me the hospital bill, as my insurance is lousy. If you want spooky songs, and maybe a vampire song (I can't remember), listen to Roky Erikson: you're gonna miss me - the best of Roky Erickson. Three headed dogs, Bermuda Triangles, ghosts, zombies, the creature with the atom brain. He is into some weird satanic thing, but the images are beautiful and his singing is great. Just pretend he doesn't really believe what he sings and everything will be okay. Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:34:39 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: vampire songs Hi, Energy Vampires by Peter Hammill on The Future Now. bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 01:57:09 -0500 From: vylette Subject: Re: vampire songs At 07:56 PM 11/2/00 -0600, ReNeEz DaBoMb wrote: >this is interesting, cause I didn't knw there were that many Goths on the >list.. there aren't, but then there are, i saw a tv special, and you know how those are, not too long ago about goth, maybe more exactly the goth scene in LA. it struck me oddly that a lot of the people there on the tv had all different ideas about WHAT GOTH WAS, to them, each one, and it was weird to me, maybe it was the clothes or the music or the clubs or the people or the 'net or whatever, that there was so little agreement on the top of things as to what goth was, though under the surface they seemed to know it when they saw it. one person said that goth is many things to many people and i think i was meant to read between the lines there that it's anything to every people and that means we're *all* goths whether we know it or not, every last single ectophile and Brady and Baldwin and Walton, goodnight and goth bless us every single one. didn't the philosopher say "all things that are, are goths"?, well it went something like that i'm sure of it, pink shirts be damned. your goth as fuck veronica p.s. Happy does a wicked David Bowie don't you think, almost thin white duchess terrifyingly goodness, does she ever cover anything off of ziggy stardust by any chance? **shiver** hmm and maybe then we should duet her with Peter Murphy... ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #327 **************************