From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #310 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, October 19 2000 Volume 06 : Number 310 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Webring update [Kay S Cleaves ] Eric McKeown [John Drummond ] Aimee in Chicago ["Michael Mendelson" ] Re: ectophiles guide to good music [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: webring [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ectophiles guide to good music [Neile Graham ] Elysian Fields CD release party (NYC) [Michael Curry ] [none] [Neal Copperman ] Scarlet Life & co news & shows in Chicago, IA, MN [Neile Graham ] Re: Webring update [Billi Mazur ] Re: ectophiles guide to good music [Billi Mazur ] Sleater-Kinney ectoguide comments [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:42:45 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Webring update Hey all-- Apologies in advance for cluttering up the group, but... Well, while it appears that the disgusting Yahoo nav bars are not mandatory, I am with many of you in the idea the moving the ring to a private server might not be a bad idea. In my flurry of anxiety last night, I found that several enterprising and Yahoo-suspicious folk have created free perl scripts that can be used to create your own webring, and from the looks of it, some of these scripts are infinitely less clunky and allow more options than the corporate scum provide. Damon has tentatively offered server space and I am inclined to take him up on the offer. If the ring were to move to a private site such as Damon's, members would need to change their html fragments a smidge, but I would make it as easy as possible for you to do so. Are ring members willing to do this so that the web ring can, in ecto fashion, break free from the corporate rein and avert involvement in any future idiotic maneuvers at Yahoo? I will be extremely busy for the next few weeks as I am doing 8 performances a week, and therefore will not be able to take action on any such relocation until the beginning of November. I will, however, be checking my email for your opinions on the matter so feel free to sound off to me *off-list*, especially if you are currently a member of the ring. In the meantime, I ask that if you had been planning to submit a site to the ring to please hold off until a final decision has been made. Oh, and for all those folks who said the ring should be hosted on a private server to begin with, you have full right to say "I told you so." Thanks for your patience guys, and now back to your regularly scheduled programming. - --Kay, who thinks that www.auntiesocialmusic.com will eventually make a great addition to the web ring... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Eric McKeown Y'all... I'm such a geek, I heard Erin McKeown performing tonight on World Cafe and I'd never heard her before and I was absolutely spellbound, wow. And the way she talked about her songs and her writing process sounded SO much like mine that I got all mushy and felt some kind of cosmic connection with her. But anyhow. So I'm going to get both of her albums now. Y'all kept going on and on about her but I never paid attention... oh well. ;D John ===== [an interesting compliment about our valiant narrator that y'all might perhaps find agreeable] "you're the aston-martin of robots" - - xovoxovoxo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:12:41 -0500 From: "Michael Mendelson" Subject: Aimee in Chicago So at someone's suggestion, I looked into seeing Aimee Mann at Harper college rather than at the Park West. Luckily they still had tix left. The show is tomorrow (thu) night. Even better is that I now see Juliana Hatfield is the opening act! I'm not the hugest blake/JH fan, but hey, not bad for an opening act! Has she been touring with Aimee? Also, I have not yet heard the magnolia soundtrack, though I think Bach#2 is Aimee's most even and upbeat solo release yet. How many songs are on Magnolia that are not on Bach#2? - -mjm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:39:33 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ectophiles guide to good music If i write a review or something about an artist, even if the entry is not being constructed, will it eventually find its way onto the ecto website? Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan Well now I wander the wet hillsides looking for a place to hide I'm waiting till you show your hand and wave it over this greenland So come on and follow me beneath the boughs of the blackest tree Doing things you'd never dare and crying in the morning air - -The Bats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:27:43 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: webring In a message dated 10/17/00 11:05:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << >My first idea was to move the webring to a non-commercial host site. woj >offered one suggestion as to a possible alternative, which I >unfortunately deleted in an inbox-clearing frenzy (sorry woj!) so I know >they're out there. althought the point is eveidently moot, the alternate ring site i suggested was ringsurf.com. a ring that i was part of moved there almost instantly following the announcement that yahoo was acquiring webring. >> I tried to go to the webring and it wouldn't let me. Just showed up with yahoo. Let me know when the ring gets a new home. later! Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan Well now I wander the wet hillsides looking for a place to hide I'm waiting till you show your hand and wave it over this greenland So come on and follow me beneath the boughs of the blackest tree Doing things you'd never dare and crying in the morning air - -The Bats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:54:49 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: ectophiles guide to good music RedWoodenBeads@aol.com asked: >If i write a review or something about an artist, even if the entry is not >being constructed, will it eventually find its way onto the ecto website? The short answer is it depends. The long answer is that it works like this: I save every ecto message that I think contains review-type comments. The messages hang around in my email program for a while because I'm chronically behind. Then I get all busy and decide to start working on clearing up my ecto mailbox. At that point I: (1) file all the messages written by ectophiles I have blanket permission to quote from; (2) notify then file the messages written by authors of comments by ectophiles who have given me permission to quote them but who have requested notification when I do so; and (3) I email the authors of messages by ectophiles have haven't granted me either permission to ask for permission to quote their comments. These latter messages sit in a pending folder until I hear from the author, and then are either filed or deleted, or if I don't hear from them I usually eventually delete these. The filed comments sit there until someone volunteers to do the page. Many of our comments have been waiting there since 1993 when I first started requesting information on artists. [I've gone through, I think, two computers in those years and we've witnessed the rise of the web, which seemed a natural venue for The Guide. I think it debuted on the web in "95 or '96 (do you remember, Damon?).] Anyway, the bad news is that the back files actually number 1,500 now, but the impressive news is that we have 500 pages on site. Whew! - --Neile n.p. Hannah Fury, _The Thing That Feels_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:03:40 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Elysian Fields CD release party (NYC) >From: Ashersand@aol.com >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:48:49 EDT >Subject: the time is approaching...and you're invited > >Hi there. You are invited to the Elysian Fields record release >party for their new CD Queen of the Meadow, on Tuesday, October >31st, 9:30 p.m., at Tonic in N.Y.C. This is going to be a very >special and intimate evening. The band will be performing songs >off their new album coming out on Jetset. There will also be >some special guests. Oh, and you'll also have the chance to be >one of the first to purchase the new album at the gig, which >doesn't officially hit stores until November 7th. Because Tonic >is such a cozy club, it may be advisable to get your tickets >ahead of time, this way, you'll be assured admittance. Advance >tickets are available at Tonic (107 Norfolk Street) and online >at ticketweb.com; admission is $8adv/$10 door. >Hope you can join us. >Tonic phone # 212 358-7503 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:41:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: [none] I was looking over the schedule for the Santa Fe Film Festival and saw this tidbit, which looked kind of intriguing: HAND OF FATE (Luminous Films/Mountainair Films, Canada, 1999) Directed by Scott Morgan. Featuring music by Tori Amos and Badar Ali Khan. Six psychics from around the world offer insights on their special visionary powers and how they first resisted, then learned to channel their abilities to see into the future. The profiled subjects range from a South African Zulu psychic and the Nechung State Oracle to a Manhattan man who foresaw the shooting death of John Lennon. neal np: act of free choice - David Bridie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:03:04 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Scarlet Life & co news & shows in Chicago, IA, MN For anyone interested. - --Neile >From: DivaNation@aol.com >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:17:25 EDT >Subject: Flash : FREE Scarlet Life METRO show Friday! +IA, MN >To: Sugar_Spice_Saccharin_&_Cyanide_@yahoo.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >!!! IT'S HERE : SCARLET LIFE's debut CD !!! > 1) "It hits you from all sides. Organic, yet electronic. >Soulful, yet wild. High energy, yet not overbearing. >Feminine vocals countered by masculine beats. >Chandra's vocals are perfect, just plain perfect." > 2) "GREAT! Such an appealing mix --jazz, scratch, synth, >and a great vocalist! Your best work to date!. I'm in heaven!" > 3) "Has a mystical, erotic, sensual feel that is so often >missing in music. It's music for the mind, heart, and soul." >=========================================== >***TOWER RECORDS on Clark St has a display of >SCARLET LIFE's debut CD, and it's specially-priced, too. >=========================================== >=========================================== >SHOW DATES >(Scarlet Life and Karma Sutra shows: MARK your calendar) >=========================================== >*** SCARLET LIFE : FREE all-ages show Friday OCT 20 *** >@ METRO (3730 N Clark, Chicago, 773-549-0203) !!!EARLY!!! >Doors are @ 6, Troy @ 6:30, SCARLET LIFE @ 7-7:45 sharp!, >Quasar Wut Wut @ 8, Forty Piece Choir @ 9. > >FREE tickets are available in a special 1/4 page READER ad >--clip it out, CIRCLE *SCARLET LIFE*, and be there by 7PM. >Or download FREE tickets by going to "http://www.DivaNation.com" >TICKETS / ad : FREE before 7PM, $6 after, $8 w/o. >Celebrate with CHANDRA, ZEBULUN, SKEPTIK and PRESTON > >"I have not seen all the major live bands in Chicago, but I >have seen quite a few. If there is a band that puts on a live >show as good as SL's, well, hopefully I'll see them soon." > >*Oct 27 Fri SCARLET LIFE : Ames IA @ THE M-SHOP "Where >you never have to be 21" (515-294-2758, 2229 Lincoln Way) >Simply put: my FAVORITE place to play. So join us! >10:00ish SCARLET LIFE >9:00 Sangha > >*Oct 28 Sat SCARLET LIFE : Iowa City IA @ THE Q (319-337-9107, 221 Iowa Ave) >11:00 SCARLET LIFE >10:00 Planet Melvin > >*Nov 3 Fri KARMA SUTRA : Chicago @ THE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART >(312-280-2660, 220 E Chicago Ave) >This is the "First Fridays" series. Lots of people from >downtown mingle after work. Amy Spina on percussion (Yay!) >plus guest tabla-ist Alexander Duvall. >6:30-9:30 KARMA SUTRA >+T. S. Soundz "Spinning the sounds of the Asian Underground" > >*Nov 9 Thu SCARLET LIFE : Chicago @ >ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (3241 S Wabash) >10:15-1:00 SCARLET LIFE > >*Nov 10 Fri SCARLET LIFE : Chicago @ Morseland >(1218 West Morse in Roger's Park, 1blk E of Morse El stop, >1/2 mi N of Devon, 1/2 blk W of Sheridan, 773-764-0335) > >*Nov 11 Sat SCARLET LIFE : Champaign @ High Dive . . . >A beautiful room! (19+, 51 Main St, 217-359-4444) >7:30 SCARLET LIFE (*please* come early!!!) >8:30 Jenny Choi Band +3 backup singers and a string quartet!! >9:30 DJ dance party > >*Nov 17 Fri SCARLET LIFE @ Northfield MN @ St Olaf's >playing in the *new* Pause Theatre! > >*Nov 18 Sat SCARLET LIFE @ Mpls MN @ THE LORING BAR >(612-332-1617, 1624 Harmon Place) I know of no "bar" more >beautiful than The Loring. Nor can I imagine one. Yay!! >9:30-1:00 SCARLET LIFE > >*Dec 8 Fri SCARLET LIFE @ Chicago @ THE NOTE > >*Dec 16 Sat KARMA SUTRA @ Chicago @ SATURNALIA > >(Do you need live music for your NY's party? SL? KS? PT?) >=========================================== >SCARLET LIFE news >=========================================== >It's new, fresh, light, dark, and dangerous in the best sense. >Electronic and of the mind, yet grounded and earthly. >Sugar Spice Saccharin & Cyanide is a machine, >yet an organic compound with a big heart. >There's barbed wire hidden in it's fragrant flowers, >and velvety smooth flesh beneath the chain-mail garments. >It's taking shape, forming life, >trying listeners on for size. >It's looking for a few good hosts! >It will burrow, and reside. > >It's a web of odd construction, this Scarlet Life CD, >making big-eye gestures and funny faces to distract you >from it's titanium tendrils as they wrap around your arms >while the warm surf that you've waded into >turns to quicksand before your eyes, and you sink . . . slowly. >But you are not panicked because you're in a lucid dream >and all the sharp knives whirling in the air about your head >--sentient, living blades-- >never quite touch your luminescent head >(though you feel their hot metal breath >and see their nostrils flair). > >Cuz it's all diamonds and rust. >It's all ritual play, a high melancholy. >It's sugar spice saccharin and cyanide . . . > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >There's a dozen songs on the CD, >most of which you'll recognize from our live shows. >They are at turns catchy and concise, >beauty-filled and ethereal, dancy and moody. >Thanks to James Van Osdol for playing *4* cuts on Q101! >If you order the debut SCARLET LIFE CD >"Sugar Spice Saccharin & Cyanide" >we'll send you your order (and a sticker?) ASAP!! > >=========================================== >KARMA SUTRA news >=========================================== >Mona Jethmalani and Samantha Isom did a photo-shoot >a couple days ago. Lee Higgs got a few shots of her, too. >We're THINKING about the CD cover, >we've recorded some vocals, >Amy's recording soon too, >so we're making progress . . . > >Dates: The Museum of Contemporary Art (confirmed); >and Saturnalia in Dec (confirmed). >It may be a bit before we play a "club gig", but we WILL. >Right now we're a little more in recording mode, >with "concert" settings only as the live shows. > >=========================================== >POINTY TEETH news >=========================================== >Pointy Teeth is on hiatus while SL and KS are constucting >their CDs, but Champaign is beconning, and there is already >a date for 2001 in Chicago. So you won't have to wait any >longer than the band does! Which is too long, admittedly. > >=========================================== >CDs: How to order the music >=========================================== >MailOrder: *SCARLET LIFE (Brand New Debut CD on >DivaNation Records) : Sugar Spice Saccharin & Cyanide >*MY SCARLET LIFE : InfraRed, Danse Amour, BuzzBomb, >Trypnotica *BED OF ROSES : The Kissing Tree *Cicatrix #1 >*BIG HAT : Selena @ My Window. CDs available @ $14 ea >(+$2 S+H per any-size order) to: (checks to Preston >Klik) DivaNation, 5602 N Ridge, Chicago IL 60660. >Wholesale distribution via CARROT TOP, MAD, METROPOLIS, >MIDDLE PILLAR, VALLEY, BAKER&TAYLOR. >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >FYI: We NEVER share or sell our mailing lists to anyone. >We value our relationship with our audience & won't abuse >it. We hate SPAM as much as the next guy, so we always >BCC our mailings. If you want off just let us know >--you'll be promptly deleted! >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:54:17 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Aimee in Chicago mjm sez: > So at someone's suggestion, I looked into seeing Aimee Mann at Harper > college rather than at the Park West. Luckily they still had tix left. I'm jealous. I'm ready to see her again...it's been several months. > Also, I have not yet heard the magnolia soundtrack, though I think Bach#2 is > Aimee's most even and upbeat solo release yet. How many songs are on > Magnolia that are not on Bach#2? Uh, 5, one of which is a cover of the old Three Dog Night song "One." I don't think I see _Bachelor No. 2_ quite so upbeat as you do ("So do me a favor (oh please) / if I should waver / be my savior / get out the gun"!) but I do think it could be her best release to date (though it's awfully hard to compare it against _Whatever_ -- seven+ years down the line, that album still boggles me and I wonder if _Bachelor No. 2_ will have the same staying power). Anyway. You'll like _Magnolia_. I think you'll particularly get a kick out of "Momentum." jeff n.p. _Angels & Electricity_, Eddi Reader ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:28:37 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: Webring update Kay, Count me in, even though my personal web site is on a corporate site (NBCI formerly Xoom) because they provide free web service. BTW, I want to thank you for taking such good care of the ring! Bill M. Kay S Cleaves wrote: > Hey all-- > > Apologies in advance for cluttering up the group, but... > > Well, while it appears that the disgusting Yahoo nav bars are not > mandatory, I am with many of you in the idea the moving the ring to a > private server might not be a bad idea. In my flurry of anxiety last > night, I found that several enterprising and Yahoo-suspicious folk have > created free perl scripts that can be used to create your own webring, > and from the looks of it, some of these scripts are infinitely less > clunky and allow more options than the corporate scum provide. Damon has > tentatively offered server space and I am inclined to take him up on the > offer. > > If the ring were to move to a private site such as Damon's, members would > need to change their html fragments a smidge, but I would make it as easy > as possible for you to do so. Are ring members willing to do this so > that the web ring can, in ecto fashion, break free from the corporate > rein and avert involvement in any future idiotic maneuvers at Yahoo? > > I will be extremely busy for the next few weeks as I am doing 8 > performances a week, and therefore will not be able to take action on any > such relocation until the beginning of November. I will, however, be > checking my email for your opinions on the matter so feel free to sound > off to me *off-list*, especially if you are currently a member of the > ring. In the meantime, I ask that if you had been planning to submit a > site to the ring to please hold off until a final decision has been made. > > Oh, and for all those folks who said the ring should be hosted on a > private server to begin with, you have full right to say "I told you so." > > Thanks for your patience guys, and now back to your regularly scheduled > programming. > > --Kay, who thinks that www.auntiesocialmusic.com will eventually make a > great addition to the web ring... > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:47:02 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: ectophiles guide to good music Hello Everyone, I just would like to again acknowledge the outstanding work that Neile and the other Ectophile volunteers have done on the Guide. It is one the best resources on the net for discovering and learning about new, interesting music. Also, Katheleen and I owe a great debt of thanks to Neile, Marion, and Jeff for putting up Katheleen's listing on the Guide. Neile, I apologize that I haven't been able to contribute as much as would have liked to up to this point. I know that your work on the Guide is a labor of love. I'm certain that it takes a great deal of time and dedication to continue with this on-going, worthy venture. Thanks! Bill M. Neile Graham wrote: > RedWoodenBeads@aol.com asked: > > >If i write a review or something about an artist, even if the entry is not > >being constructed, will it eventually find its way onto the ecto website? > > The short answer is it depends. > > The long answer is that it works like this: I save every ecto message that > I think contains review-type comments. The messages hang around in my > email program for a while because I'm chronically behind. Then I get all > busy and decide to start working on clearing up my ecto mailbox. > > At that point I: > > (1) file all the messages written by ectophiles I have blanket permission > to quote from; > > (2) notify then file the messages written by authors of comments by > ectophiles who have given me permission to quote them but who have > requested notification when I do so; and > > (3) I email the authors of messages by ectophiles have haven't granted me > either permission to ask for permission to quote their comments. These > latter messages sit in a pending folder until I hear from the author, and > then are either filed or deleted, or if I don't hear from them I usually > eventually delete these. > > The filed comments sit there until someone volunteers to do the page. Many > of our comments have been waiting there since 1993 when I first started > requesting information on artists. [I've gone through, I think, two > computers in those years and we've witnessed the rise of the web, which > seemed a natural venue for The Guide. I think it debuted on the web in "95 > or '96 (do you remember, Damon?).] > > Anyway, the bad news is that the back files actually number 1,500 now, but > the impressive news is that we have 500 pages on site. Whew! > > --Neile > > n.p. Hannah Fury, _The Thing That Feels_ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net > Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines > The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:53:24 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Sleater-Kinney ectoguide comments I'm putting the finishing touchs on the Sleater-Kinney page, and there are holes all over it. If anyone wants to fill any of these in, pipe up now. I'll take what I get and turn it all in next week (hopefully). No info (album info, performers, comments) on Sleater-Kinney and Call The Doctor. Almost no comments on the most recent album, All Hands on the Bad One. neal np: afraid of me - marianne nowottny ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #310 **************************