From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #309 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 18 2000 Volume 06 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: Ecto Webring in turmoil [Kay S Cleaves ] Re: dancer in the dark [Dirk Kastens ] re: Ecto Webring in turmoil [Carolyn Andre ] InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 [woj ] Re: Ecto webring in turmoil ["Michael Pearce" ] Re: Surprise! surprise! ["ReNeEz DaBoMb" ] New Cowboy Junkies/Webcast TONIGHT [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: Surprise! surprise! [Neal Copperman ] Re: Surprise! surprise! ["phclark" ] New Lili Haydn ["Datura Child" ] Are Cowboy Junkies ecto? [Marla Tiara ] Re: InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 [Michael Cur] Re: Ecto webring in turmoil [root ] Happy at Brass City [meredith ] RE: Ecto webring in turmoil [Loretta Pontillo ] Re: emiliana torrini [Neal Copperman ] Re: Wendy Rule at the Harp [Neal Copperman ] Cindy Lee Berryhill, part 2 [Neal Copperman ] oops [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:34:54 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: re: Ecto Webring in turmoil Kat wrote: >On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kay S Cleaves wrote: > >> If you would like to see how the new nav bar looks, I've installed it on >> my two webring sites. Bounce over to >> http://www.geocities.com/kscleaves/Music.html to see how it looks online. >> Maybe it isn't as bad as I thought, but then again... > >It is. Just wanted to let you know :) > >- -Kat Yep. That's what I was afraid of. Ick. *sigh* At least the old fragments still work for the time being. - --Kay np: The Pretenders, Singles ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:51:31 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: dancer in the dark Hi, I apologize to everyone who hasn't seen the film that I unintentionally gave you a hint about the end of the film. Now I feel very stupid. Regards, Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:10:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: re: Ecto Webring in turmoil On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Kay S Cleaves wrote: Hey, all, since I hadn't yet finished updating my sites to the webrings they're on, I stopped over at Yahoo to read up on the 'new' ring thing again. Guess what! >10/16/00 > >Yahoo! WebRing is pleased to announce big news: > >We will not require RingMasters to replace the existing HTML fragments >with the server-side navigation bar, ever. > >Rings that were established prior to September 5, 2000 that use the >original WebRing HTML fragment will not be required to replace that code >with the server-side navigation bar, now or in the future. We will serve >the HTML fragment as we currently do and will not require a code >replacement. Your Ring will continue to operate as it always has. >RingMasters will not have to ask all members to replace the code, and we >are not requiring RingMasters to replace the Ring logos and fragments >that they have put so much work into. gee - maybe they got a few vocal complaints or something about their gross solution Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:37:33 -0400 From: woj Subject: InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 according to this listing, looks like p.j. harvey will be on jay leno tonight. you'd expect her to be playing something from her upcoming album (which i've heard and is quite good). woj >Subject: InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 >From: InfoBeat >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:40:36 MDT > >11:30pm >------------------------------------------------------- > NBC - THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO - Charlie Sheen; > Michelle Rodriguez; P.J. Harvey.(CC)(TV14)(Starts 11:35pm) > (Ends 12:35am) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:45:24 -0400 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: re: Ecto Webring in turmoil At 07:10 AM 10/17/2000 -0500, Carolyn Andre wrote: Hello, >gee - maybe they got a few vocal complaints or something about their gross >solution Hehehe, this is not the first time this happens. When Geocities became part of Yahoo! they also said at first that all content within the members' pages belonged to them. That resulted in a lot of complaints, not to mention that many members moved their pages out of Geocities. I almost moved mine as well, but before this happened, they posted a note saying that there had been some misunderstanding, that they wouldn't claim to own the members' pages at all. Right. Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Happy Rhodes - Rhodes II ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:16:48 -0400 From: woj Subject: Re: Ecto webring in turmoil when we last left our heroes, Kay S Cleaves exclaimed: >My first idea was to move the webring to a non-commercial host site. woj >offered one suggestion as to a possible alternative, which I >unfortunately deleted in an inbox-clearing frenzy (sorry woj!) so I know >they're out there. althought the point is eveidently moot, the alternate ring site i suggested was ringsurf.com. a ring that i was part of moved there almost instantly following the announcement that yahoo was acquiring webring. woj n.p. wpkn ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:32:41 -0700 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Re: Ecto webring in turmoil At 1:55 AM -0400 10/17/00, Kay S Cleaves wrote: >If you would like to see how the new nav bar looks, I've installed it on >my two webring sites. Bounce over to >http://www.geocities.com/kscleaves/Music.html to see how it looks online. > Maybe it isn't as bad as I thought, but then again... It isn't so much ugly as it's mindless, bland and corporate. I remember when Yahoo, and the Net itself, wasn't run by a bunch of idiot marketing 'droids. Oh, well. As long as there will be local ISPs and the ability to put up our own pages without being filtered or censored by some government loony, I'm happy. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:46:55 -0500 From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" Subject: Re: Surprise! surprise! Did he just say You'uns??? Peter, you wouldn't happen to be from around Pittsburgh, would you? ~Renee - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "phclark" Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:33:49 -0700 Now and again something surfaces that is worth mentioning to Ecto, 'cause otherwise they/ya'll/you'uns might miss it. I came across the new (2000) release by Annette Peacock, "an acrobat's heart," almost by accident. I scan the bins for her because she's so hard to find. Lo, and, behold. A new one. Unlike her earlier work, which is edgy in the extremis, this is very minimalist, her piano and vocals backed by a string quartet. It is at the same time very New York feeling with a strong Rachel's vibe. I'm put in mind of Annie Lennox' better work. Enjoy, Peter C - -- ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:05:46 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: New Cowboy Junkies/Webcast TONIGHT Hi, I recieved "Waltz Across America" by Cowboy Junkies in the mail yesterday. I've caught them several times on each tour and this album really captures the dynamics of this band live. From very quiet and introspective to pulverizing. There's some truly inspired guitar playing from Michael and the whole band has never sounded better. Those who think of this band as soft and mellow, give "I Saw Your Shoes" a chance! You'll be surprised. Not to mention phenomenal live jammed-out versions of "Hunted" & "Blue Guitar". All existing fans should love this and those who found them too quiet in the past will be pleasantly surprised. They also recently sent out this message about a free webcast TONIGHT and info on ordering the above mentioned CD, which I include here for those interested. Cheers, Alan ****************************** Message from Cowboy Junkies headquarters: Hi everyone, this is just a reminder that we will be performing a free live webcast on Oct. 17th starting at 9pm EST. All the details about the webcast can be found on our site at: http://www.cowboyjunkies.com/exclusives/waa/index.html (then click on the WebWaltz2000 link). On that page you will find a link to the webcast and links to the free software (RealPlayer) that you will need to download in order to view and listen to the webcast. You can also go directly to the webcast host site which is virtuecast.com. This should be a pretty special evening and we hope that you will join us. Our new live CD, Waltz Across America, is also available for purchase on our site. It is being sold exclusively through cowboyjunkies.com and will not be released through traditional retail outlets. Many of you have expressed your discomfort regarding purchasing over the internet. If you are one of these people then please note that the CD can also be purchased via mail-order by emailing your order to mailorder@maplemusic.com and we will e-mail you the total cost plus mailing details. For more information about the CD go to http://www.cowboyjunkies.com/exclusives/waa/index.html. That's all for now. We hope you an "attend" the webcast and please place that order for the CD if you haven't already - we think you'll be happy that you did. Margo, Mike, Alan and Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:34:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Surprise! surprise! Heh, I thought people from Pittsburgh said y'ins. neal np: Stupid Thing (single) - Aimee Mann On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, ReNeEz DaBoMb wrote: > Did he just say You'uns??? > Peter, you wouldn't happen to be from around Pittsburgh, would you? > ~Renee > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "phclark" > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:33:49 -0700 > > Now and again something surfaces that is worth mentioning to Ecto, 'cause > otherwise they/ya'll/you'uns might miss it. > > I came across the new (2000) release by Annette Peacock, "an acrobat's > heart," almost by accident. I scan the bins for her because she's so hard > to find. Lo, and, behold. A new one. > > Unlike her earlier work, which is edgy in the extremis, this is very > minimalist, her piano and vocals backed by a string quartet. It is at the > same time very New York feeling with a strong Rachel's vibe. I'm put in > mind of Annie Lennox' better work. > > Enjoy, > > Peter C > > > > -- > ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! > -- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:45:37 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: Surprise! surprise! No, I was just trying to be inclusive. Left out "youse" and a few more. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Surprise! surprise! > Did he just say You'uns??? > Peter, you wouldn't happen to be from around Pittsburgh, would you? > ~Renee > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "phclark" > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 16:33:49 -0700 > > Now and again something surfaces that is worth mentioning to Ecto, 'cause > otherwise they/ya'll/you'uns might miss it. > > I came across the new (2000) release by Annette Peacock, "an acrobat's > heart," almost by accident. I scan the bins for her because she's so hard > to find. Lo, and, behold. A new one. > > Unlike her earlier work, which is edgy in the extremis, this is very > minimalist, her piano and vocals backed by a string quartet. It is at the > same time very New York feeling with a strong Rachel's vibe. I'm put in > mind of Annie Lennox' better work. > > Enjoy, > > Peter C > > > > -- > ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! > -- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:02:59 EDT From: "Datura Child" Subject: New Lili Haydn I read reciently that Lili Haydn has a new album, Lotus, comming out. Has anyone heard it yet? Does anyone know if Rasputina has something new due soon? Good cello album: Nina Kotova's self titled debut. A supermodel and a musician. Wow..... Tori's baby is named Natashya Lorien Hawley. I'm glad you all (mostly) like Miss Sarah's album. I think her voice and choice of material has improved muchly since the last. That's all. Bye for now, - -Megan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Are Cowboy Junkies ecto? http://www.cowboyjunkies.com/exclusives/waa/index.html I assume they are. They're doing a live webcast tonight and I hadn't seen it mentioned yet so here you go. It starts at 9pm EST - and I may or may not be able to capture it. I hope someone does though! ;) marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:43:20 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 Given the fact that there's a baseball playoff game on NBC earlier in the evening, and, to make matters worse, it'll likely rain during the game, meaning possible further delays. So if you want to see P.J. on Leno I'd recommend either staying up late or setting your VCR to tape a big, big block of time. At 08:37 AM 10/17/00 -0400, woj wrote: >according to this listing, looks like p.j. harvey will be on jay leno >tonight. you'd expect her to be playing something from her upcoming album >(which i've heard and is quite good). > >woj > >>Subject: InfoBeat Entertainment - TV Tonight @ Tuesday 10/17/2000 >>From: InfoBeat >>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:40:36 MDT >> >>11:30pm >>------------------------------------------------------- >> NBC - THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO - Charlie Sheen; >> Michelle Rodriguez; P.J. Harvey.(CC)(TV14)(Starts 11:35pm) >> (Ends 12:35am) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:18:50 +1100 From: root Subject: Re: Ecto webring in turmoil On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, woj wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Kay S Cleaves exclaimed: > > >My first idea was to move the webring to a non-commercial host site. woj > >offered one suggestion as to a possible alternative, which I > >unfortunately deleted in an inbox-clearing frenzy (sorry woj!) so I know > >they're out there. > > althought the point is eveidently moot, the alternate ring site i suggested > was ringsurf.com. a ring that i was part of moved there almost instantly > following the announcement that yahoo was acquiring webring. > I'm relieved to see the whole thing blew over before it really started, because I absolutely refuse to make my site dependant on Java... but maybe we should see this as a warning and consider changing to that other ring anyway? I'd be all for going non-commercial if possible. What do you all think? ------------------------------------------------------ "Today I want to talk about piracy and music. What is piracy? Piracy is the act of stealing an artist's work without any intention of paying for it. I'm not talking about Napster-type software. I'm talking about major label recording contracts." - -- Courtney Love - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:22:55 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Happy at Brass City Hi! Thought this would be of interest. :) >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:59:17 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ric Bellody >Subject: Happy at Brass > >There are some nice shots of Happy with Bon, Hansford >and Vic from the Brass City show at the following >site.. > > >> http://pages.cthome.net/bcrgraphics/SHOWS.html +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:11:23 -0400 From: Loretta Pontillo Subject: RE: Ecto webring in turmoil >Oh, well. As long as there will be local ISPs and the ability to put >up our own pages without being filtered or censored by some >government loony, I'm happy. >Michael Oh man, don't say that too loudly! Someone might hear you!! Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:16:24 -0400 From: Dan Stark Subject: PJ Harvey unannounced show? Last week the CMJ website listed PJ Harvey at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC at 6pm Thursday. Now, all references to PJ are gone from the CMJ site, and instead it lists that 6pm slot at the Bowery as "Special Guest." No mention of a NY show on Pollstar or pjharvey.net at this time either. Either it fell through or they're not advertising it - does anyone know which? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:47:16 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: emiliana torrini At 5:54 PM -0400 10/16/00, iflin@sirius.com wrote: >i have been out of the ecto loop for about six months or so, but i >thought i would stick my head in and see if anyone had information >about a young artist named EMILIANA TORRINI. Anna Maria has mentioned her a time or two, so I was surprised she didn't chime in. She sent me a three song single called Dead Things which I like fairly well, though not as much as the song Baby Blue (I think it is) that she put on a sampler tape for me. She seems pretty intriguing, and I'd consider picking up a full length album. A little poppy for my taste, but with enough quirks to make it still interesting. neal np: The Music of Mahamed Abdel Wahab - Simon Shaheen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:40:26 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Wendy Rule at the Harp Hi Andrew, Thanks for the Wendy Rule review. I'd love to see her sometime. Sounds like she's pretty incredible. She's probably not coming to New Mexico anytime soon. At 8:38 AM +1100 10/16/00, Andrew Fries wrote: >PS Neal - I've got the CD for you. I hope you'll enjoy it as much as "Zero"... Thanks! We'll have to start talking discs again :) I'm still slowly working my way through the ones you sent before, though I'm making decent progress. Zero has been the big standout. What do you think of the new one? Oh, I bought the G4! I've been enjoying it a lot, once I got over the comlete incompatability between it and my other computer. I actually had to go buy a USB zip drive just to transfer data! I've ordered the Yamaha Firewire CD burner too, though it's on backorder for the moment. I'm going on vacation next Thursday, and will be gone for 3 weeks! I can't wait. Once I get back, we can start talking about discs again, unless there is anything you are looking for from Mexico. (Can't say that I can think of anything.) Later, neal np: The Music of Mohamed Abdel Wahab - Simon Shaheen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:24:57 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Cindy Lee Berryhill, part 2 The show itself is a bit of a blur for me. I felt really distracted, and set myself up off to the side, so I didn't feel as connected as I've usually been during Cindy Lee shows in clubs and coffeehouses. The lights looked great though, and all the candles were a nice touch too. There were so many new songs too! I guess it's been a while since I've seen Cindy Lee, since I used to be able to keep up better. Since I have no idea what the new songs are called, I'll just take the liberty to make up names for them as I go along. Cindy Lee opened the show with a bunch of new songs, all with guitar accompaniment. Losing my IQ - a song about the deleterious affects of love Half a Loaf - which was real sing-songy, with an almost rap-like feel Hopeful Girl - a more traditional sounding folk-pop song She Won't Even Try - the ever popular "skip" song, probably explained everywhere enough to not need it again, accompanied by cassette player calisthenics. Then Cindy Lee moved to keyboards for Look at that Grin and back to guitar and harmonica ("even if you don't know how to play, you can still sound like Dylan") for This Way Up and another off kilter version of Damn I Wish I Was A Man. Cindy Lee talked about her recent forays into dating, and how the first person she went out with had a wall of dead mobster photos in his apartment. When she expressed distaste over that, he said If that's bothering you, then you are NOT going to like this idea for a date, which was to go have a picnic in a cave that the Manson family used to hang out in. And thus, the brand new song Living Legend Then she read another section from her book Memoirs of a Female Messiah, which I'd actually heard her read several years ago. During another new song, Victorville Beach (about the beach that will be there once California falls into the ocean), Jeff's mom calls. "Is Jeff there?" "Um, it's kind of a bad time..." "Oh, you're in the middle of one of your concerts, aren't you? I'm driving down there tomorrow and I don't know where Jeff moved to." Then came a fantastic version of Radio Astronomy, where Cindy Lee used a metronome I had laying around for rhythm, and recruited me to play the radio for the UFO Suite kind of affect (once I caught on to what she wanted.... I was kicking myself for not realizing the point faster.) She ended the set with a hilarious, accoustic singalong of the Ramones' I wanna be sedated, which must have sounded great from the sidewalk. (Probably almost as good as the singalong at my first show, where Anna Wolfe had us all singing "Everyone looks like a monkey EEE EEE when they eat a banana.") The show ends and Cindy Lee disappears into the kitchen to start eating brownies, but we make her come back, and brownie in hand, she starts in on the pretty new song from the afternoon (Amitriptolene, she jokingly called it) and concluded with a freewheeling improvisational version of steve on h that was a great finale. It's one of those songs where she just goes nuts, and there's no telling where you'll end up. This time it meant a partial version of the Spiderman theme song and a wild spin on 70's radio. Ok, I think I've done my civic duty now.... neal np: The Music of Mohamed Abdel Wahab - Simon Shaheen (Just saw him on Sunday) 18 with a bullet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:52:25 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: oops Sorry about the personal note. I seem to have deleted the wrong address there. neal ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #309 **************************