From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #287 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 27 2000 Volume 06 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- new Jorane CD [John Drummond ] Rita Ribeiro [neal copperman ] Knopfler's new one ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Annie Haslam [Paul Blair ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Alvin Brattli ] Annie Haslam, Was:how are your cds organized [Bill Adler ] Re: La Luna [Stuart Myerburg ] Basque at the Metro Café, September 26, 2000 (Washington, DC) [Craig Gidn] Re: Rita Ribeiro ["Rosana L. de Oliveira" ] another liner note acknowledgement [Jeffrey Burka ] Goldfrapp, "Felt Mountain." [Craig Gidney ] RE: Knopfler's new one ["Amy" ] Re: Annie Haslam, Was:how are your cds organized [Ted ] Re: La Luna [jjhanson@att.net] Performance in Reston, VA tonight [Joseph Zitt ] RE: the day the solid format died [Phil Hudson ] RE: the day the solid format died [Bill ] RE: the day the solid format died ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: the day the solid format died [Joseph Zitt ] RE: the day the solid format died [Phil Hudson ] Re: the day the solid format died [Joseph Zitt ] RE: the day the solid format died [Brian Bloom ] Re: the day the solid format died ["phclark" ] Re: the day the solid format died [Joseph Zitt ] Re: the day the solid format died [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] RE: the day the solid format died [Yngve Hauge ] Re: the day the solid format died [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: new Jorane CD > > new Jorane CD in November > From what I know, it will apparently be a lot of > wordless songs, a lot of sparse moods and intense > vocalizing without actual lyrics. Wow, perhaps Jorane's going to move even further into Diamanda Galás terrain... mmm, I hope so! And fewer lyrics means fewer bad forays into English-language songs like the embarrassing "jinx"... at least, here's hopin'. Anyhow! I've got my fingers crossed... Jorane has the moxy and the raw emotive oomph to really do well with working in tongues, I can't wait! John ===== [an interesting compliment about our valiant narrator that y'all might perhaps find agreeable] "you're the aston-martin of robots" - - xovoxovoxo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:00:24 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Rita Ribeiro During my east coast trip, I went to a free Arts Festival at the Kennedy Center. One performer I caught was Brazilian singer Rita Ribeiro. I was totaly bowled over by her. She was wearing a blazing red dress and had her hair tied up in an array of weird little horns. She pranced around with impish abandon, reminding me a bit of Bjork. The program says her "repertoire includes traditional samba, ballads, reggae and Afro-Brazilian religious music." While I couldn't come up with that list on my own, it was high energy music, and she was a wildly engaging presence. Looks like she has a recent album (Perolas Aos Poyos) on Putumayo. ANyone heard it? neal np: Transition - Jessica Weiser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:12:44 -0400 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Knopfler's new one Hey all, I know Mark Knopfler is not pure ecto, but I got his new album "Sailing to Philadelphia" yesterday, and if any of you like his music at all, get this album! One excellent song after another. "Speedway at Nazareth" in particular is totally joyous and has one of those musical "moments" discussed on this list a few years ago. This is one of the best "mainstream" albums released in years. Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:45:51 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Annie Haslam >On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Bill Mazur wrote: > >> Annie has a very beautiful, clear, and expressive soprano voice. > >And check out her cover of Yes's _Turn of the century_ on the Tales From >Yesterday tribute album. Wow--I never knew. And that's one of my favorite songs, too. Mail came out awhile back that Annie will be performing at The Bottom Line in New York City on October 27. I should catch it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:08:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alvin Brattli Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Meredith wrote: >Alvin commented: > >>This reminds me that in July 1996, I made a rough estimate on how >>many CDs you had in those racks. At that time, if I remember correctly, >>practically all your CDs lived in those racks, and they were pretty much >>full. The number I arrived at was ~1600, so it seems I made a pretty >>accurate estimate back then :) > >Yeah, especially considering the racks are advertised as holding 400 CDs, >and we had 4 of them full at the time. ;> Well, uhm, I don't think I knew at that time that those racks were supposed to hold 400 CDs. Therefore, I *cough cough* actually counted them. Or rather, I counted *some* of them, and made a back-of-the-envelope estimate in the typical physicist fashion. So there! :) aLViN - -- :r .signature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:22:24 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Annie Haslam, Was:how are your cds organized Amy, Annie Haslam was the lead singer for Renaissance, a rock-pop group with classical music influences from the 70's. Renaissance was one of the most innovative bands of the time. You can still get Renaissance CDs -- I recommend "Turn of the Cards" and "Ashes are Burning." Annie Haslam's produced several solo CDs since then. She has an exquisite, compelling voice. Her web site is http://www.annie-haslam.com/; I'm sure there are fan sites, too. Annie Haslam's most recent CD is "Live Under Brazilian Skies." - --Bill n.p. Capercaillie, "Glenfinnan" At 09:57 PM 9/26/00 -0500, you wrote: Bill wrote (to Meredith and I eavesdropped): > One of the best concerts I ever saw was when I was at > Wesleyan: Renaissance with Annie Haslam. They played in the > hockey arena. I was shocked to see the name, Annie Haslam. I got an email from someone asking me for information on her but I had no idea who she was. An internet search brought up nothing as well (but that's probably because the person that was asking for the info spelled her name wrong). I would appreciate anything you know about her (or if you could direct me to some info on her) so I can relay it to this person who wrote me. Thanks! ~Amy Women In Music http://www.ecalos.com Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:53:36 -0700 From: "Suzanna Otting" Subject: Re: La Luna I was surprised how much I liked "La Luna". I was also disappointed with the unimaginative cover of "Here With Me", but the album is good pop-operatic listening, in my opinion. I especially liked her version of "Gloomy Sunday"...she's done it at least as well as Sinead O'Connor, Sarah McLachlan, and Heather Nova! Actually, Ms. Brightman reminded me a little of Kate Bush at some points, in a "And Dream of Sheep" way. Is that just wishful thinking, or does someone else agree? :) On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:11:46 RocketsTail wrote: > Even though I'm not a HUGE fan of Sarah Brightman she does have a great >voice (just no emotion in it)...I bought "La Luna" and have to say there are >three or four GREAT songs on it...the rest are either boring or...well, >boring lol. The only thing that REALLY bothered me was her attempt to cover >Dido's "Here With Me". WHAT WAS SHE THINKING??? hahaha! Not cool at all. But >the album itself, it's cool for what it is I guess, I think she jumps around >from style to style a little too much on an album. :-) ~Eric > >"This sense of humor of mine > It isn't funny at all > Oh but we sit up all night > Talking about it" > ~Kate Bush > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:34:23 -0400 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: La Luna Suzanna Otting wrote: > I was surprised how much I liked "La Luna". I was also disappointed with the > unimaginative cover of "Here With Me", but the album is good pop-operatic listening, > in my opinion. I especially liked her version of "Gloomy Sunday"...she's done it at > least as well as Sinead O'Connor, Sarah McLachlan, and Heather Nova! > > Actually, Ms. Brightman reminded me a little of Kate Bush at some points, in a > "And Dream of Sheep" way. Is that just wishful thinking, or does someone else agree? No, I agree. When Sarah does less operatic material, like the _Dive_ album or the song "Hijo De La Luna" on the new album, I think she sounds a lot like Kate. Stuart np: How to Steal the World - Helicopter Girl - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Basque at the Metro Café, September 26, 2000 (Washington, DC) Basque opened their brief set with 'Wool and Water,' a piece off their debut full-length CD "Radiate" that pretty much sums up their sound. Brandt's echoed, propulsive bass with percussive clicks forms the structure, with slight augmentation from an electric guitar; Maryasque's crystalline voice swoops above, twisting words into pure sound-shapes. Theirs is an unadorned sound, sparse and full of silence. It is reminiscent of work done by Hugo Largo and Low. Maryasque's voice is a pure soprano; like Elizabeth Frazier, she sings in a private language where the occasional word appears. Live, she bridges the gap between Celtic Mouth Music and jazz scatting (by way of Rickie Lee Jones). Brandt sat on a stool during all of the set, slapping and tweaking his bass. At times it looked like he was barely touching the strings; yet a clearly plucked sound emerged. Other times, he was hitting the strings, producing subtle tones. Maryasque mostly stood still with her guitar and sang with her eyes closed. At its best, the music was hypnotic. The shortness of the set helped with one of the music's pitfalls-much of the material is similar and skirts the edges of monotony. - --Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:51:47 -0400 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: Re: Rita Ribeiro At 01:00 AM 09/27/2000 -0600, Neal wrote: Hello, >During my east coast trip, I went to a free Arts Festival at the Kennedy >Center. One performer I caught was Brazilian singer Rita Ribeiro. I was >totaly bowled over by her. She was wearing a blazing red dress and had her >hair tied up in an array of weird little horns. She pranced around with >impish abandon, reminding me a bit of Bjork. The program says her >"repertoire includes traditional samba, ballads, reggae and Afro-Brazilian >religious music." While I couldn't come up with that list on my own, it >was high energy music, and she was a wildly engaging presence. Looks like >she has a recent album (Perolas Aos Poyos) on Putumayo. ANyone heard it? > >neal > >np: Transition - Jessica Weiser I felt a bit ashamed at first because I didn't recognize her name immediately, even though it sounded vaguely familiar. Then I guess I did my duty as a Brazilian and went to find more about her. :) Listened to some samples of her new album too (hope you don't mind my correction, Neal - "Pérolas Aos Povos") and I have to say that she indeed has a great voice. As for her music, it seems like it is hard to define her style, since she sings a bit of everything, from samba to bossa nova. She has also worked with some other famous Brazilian singers like Chico César and Zeca Baleiro (whose album I didn't get around to buying yet, even though it contains one of my favorite Brazilian songs ever). Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ------- n.p. Alison Kinnaird - The Harp Key (some Scottish traditional harp music) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: another liner note acknowledgement While waiting for a build to finish, I was looking over the the _Lowlands_ liner notes and noticed that Susan gives a thank you to "ectofolks". Certainly nice to see! jeff n.p. yeah, yeah, still listening to _Lowlands_ Jeffrey C. Burka burka@jeffrey.net http://burka.jeffrey.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:03:07 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:33:47AM -0400, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Funny indeed, somewhat sad, but let's remember, we still have our booklets. > Maybe when everything is electronic the artists will make little booklets you > can order through the mail or something, haha. I think the whole idea of > having something solid in your hand like that kind of goes along with being a > music fan You may have missed this, but what I meant was that to those of us who were used to booklets that were 12" or so on a side rather than 4.75" (I've been designing a bunch of CD covers of late so that number is tattooed on my brain), the tiny items that pass as packaging nowadays are kind of pathetic. See if you can find some records in your town and see what the older album graphics looked like before they were shrunk down to less than 1/4 size. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Goldfrapp, "Felt Mountain." Goldfrapp, "Felt Mountain." Goldfrapp is the collaboration between Will Gregory and singer Alison Goldfrapp. It is clearly in the post-Portishead vein of electronica influenced torch-songs. The music constructed by Gregory is a sonic tapestry of 70s soundtrack music, full of lush orchestration, harpischords, and cheesy sci-fi effects, along with trip-hop beats and the occasional guitar squall. Goldfrapp's voice is rich and velvetly; it reminds me of the burnished singing of Judy Garland crossed with the brassiness of Shirley Bassey. The songs are mostly slow to midtempo, with a dark undercurrent seething underneath. Goldfrapp's lyrics explore the vagaries of desire and longing with idiosyncratic imagery, mixing offbeat cinematic references with lounge-era terms of endearment; it mines similar territory that Julee Cruise and David Lynch mapped out with their Twin Peaks-era work. Two St. Etienne-like pieces appear in the middle of the album, idyllic pop songs with retro-Wurlitzers and moogs, and lovely wordless singing. Felt Mountain is perfect late night make-out music for the malcontent. - --Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:56:54 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: Knopfler's new one ...and I just heard last night that he will be on Letterman tonight! ~Amy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Robert Lovejoy > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 6:13 AM > To: Ecto > Subject: Knopfler's new one > > > Hey all, > I know Mark Knopfler is not pure ecto, but I got his new > album "Sailing > to Philadelphia" yesterday, and if any of you like his music at all, get > this album! One excellent song after another. "Speedway at Nazareth" in > particular is totally joyous and has one of those musical "moments" > discussed on this list a few years ago. > This is one of the best "mainstream" albums released in years. > > Bob Lovejoy > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:18:36 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: Annie Haslam, Was:how are your cds organized Bill Adler : > Annie Haslam's most recent CD is "Live Under > Brazilian Skies."...... > > --Bill She's come out with "Dawn of Ananda" since April - samples are on her web site. You can also purchase it there. www.anniehaslam.com Also from her site: Appearances: October 27th The Bottom Line NYC 7:30pm & 10:30pm - all tickets US$ 25 The Bottom Line 15 West 4th St. NYC (212) 228-6300 October 29th The Keswick Theatre Glenside, PA 7:30pm - tickets US$ 30 and US$ 35 with Al Stewart keswicktix@aol.com 215-572-7650 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:17:53 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Rita Ribeiro At 10:51 AM -0400 9/27/00, Rosana L. de Oliveira wrote: >I felt a bit ashamed at first because I didn't recognize her name >immediately, even though it sounded vaguely familiar. Then I guess I did my >duty as a Brazilian and went to find more about her. :) Very responsible of you :) >Listened to some >samples of her new album too (hope you don't mind my correction, Neal - >"Pérolas Aos Povos") and I have to say that she indeed has a great voice. I actually knew of the accent mark, I just don't konw how to make them! >As for her music, it seems like it is hard to define her style, since she >sings a bit of everything, from samba to bossa nova. Live it was really thrilling. I may look for the disc sometime. >She has also worked >with some other famous Brazilian singers like Chico César and Zeca Baleiro Chico (I will be informal with him so I don't have to leave out the accent) played after her at the festival. He was very good too, though I didn't think he matched the description. His "petic lyrics and heartfelt vocal stylings have been compared to those of noted Brazilian artists, such as Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Til, but his energetic live performances draw inspirations from American sensations Led Zeppelin, Bob Marley, and even Donna Summer." He had a huge, very talented band, and they jammed all over the place. But I was never put in mind of Led Zepelin. >(whose album I didn't get around to buying yet, even though it contains one >of my favorite Brazilian songs ever). Can you recommend some ectophilic Brazilian music? A scan of my collection turns up a handful of Brazilian discs (and, in line with the music storage question, I have a database that includes that sort of info, though it is not reflected in my cataloging at all), but only one that I'd consider ectophilic. That's Rose and Charcoal by Marisa Monte, which is a phenomenal album. I bought it for the guest appearance by Laurie Anderson, but that's such a small part of why I like it. I keep meaning to buy more of her music. In fact, I had noticed that she had a new album that came out in the last month or so. neal np: Lunasa (also missing a quote) at the Town Crier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:25:45 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: La Luna I also like the new Sarah Brightman album-- and personally think it's pretty cool that she covered Dido--I've always admired her cover choiced. On her European album Fly she covers Stina Nordenstam. I like how she picks the songs she likes--not necessarily the ones that she "should" sing. I however, found her cover of Scarborough Fair, pretty boring. But overall I'd rate the album better than Eden. And yes, at times, she does sound like Kate. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:11:24 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Performance in Reston, VA tonight For those who are interested and in the area: I'll be performing in Reston tonight, doing vocal improvisation with Gray Code's percussionist and five dancers. The performance will be at CenterStage at 8:00, as part of Italian dancer/choreographer Elisabetta Vittoni's show "Silent Block". The whole performance, with intermission, lasts about 90 minutes. I'll be in the final piece, which lasts 10 minutes or so. We did this performance Sunday in DC and rocked da joint, relatively speaking. To hear some samples of what that this may sound like, point yr browsers to http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ (If you've heard Mitch Elrod's vocal on Happy's "Wrong Century", it's somewhat in that vein. Or maybe a less-operatic male Diamanda Galas with a sense of humor :-].) CenterStage: 703-476-4500 Box Office: 703-476-1111 2310 Colts Neck Road, Reston, VA 20191 I was given these general directions if coming from DC: get on Hwy 66, take Dulles Toll Road, take Exit 12 (Reston Parkway)=- come up ramp, make a left on Reston Parkway. You'll pass abt. 3 lights, turn left on South Lakes Drive. Next light, make a right onto Colts Neck Road. Theatre is about 1/8 of mile down the road, on the left, located in the Hunter Woods Village Center. It's behind a bunch of small stores like Lido's Pizza, Cincinnati Cafe(?); you'll also see a Safeway, Right-Aid, etc., around there. You can park anywhere there's parking (I guess by these stores). (Sorry about the short notice, but this only just got nailed down -- on Sunday, Brian and I filled in for a suddenly-cancelling saxophonist for an improv with just Elisabetta herself. She enjoyed it so much that she canned a video-based piece that she was going to do tonight in favor of asking us back to improv along with her and the four local dancers with whom she's been working.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:25:20 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: the day the solid format died Joe wrecently wrote: “You may have missed this, but what I meant was that to those of us who were used to booklets that were 12" or so on a side rather than 4.75" (I've been designing a bunch of CD covers of late so that number is tattooed on my brain), the tiny items that pass as packaging nowadays are kind of pathetic. See if you can find some records in your town and see what the older album graphics looked like before they were shrunk down to less than 1/4 size.” The creativity factor seemed also to be expanded somewhat on those old 12” covers; 3D pictures, interesting cutouts, LOTS of lyrics and text; the Brit band Man actually had a foldout map of Wales that opened out to 3’ square. Must have been all that extra space available on the 12 format; I’ve seen some CD covers that look as if they were designed as a joke; acknowledgements to about ninety people whose names are illegible without an electron microscope. Really nice lyrics written on the head of a pin... whine, snivel, gibber, moan... I think the late 60s and most of the 70 were the glory years for really interesting album covers; before it started getting too expensive, according to the record companies. Anyone still have a copy of the first ever ( to my knowledge) graphically enhanced 12”; Curved Air? Anyone have a favorite 12” cover? Phil. Showing his age. ‘Course, life was tough then too: we had to walk four miles in the winter snow, (uphill both ways) at 4 am just to get to the record store. Then the store manager would make us shovel the snow out of his doorway and work down the treacle mine for 8 hours just to buy a used copy of Blodwyn Pig’s greatest hits; young people today don’t know how lucky they are, bla bla bla etc etc, ad nauseum. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: RE: the day the solid format died On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Phil Hudson wrote: > Anyone have a favorite 12” cover? The booklet that came inside Rick Wakeman's _King Arthur and The Knights of the Round Table_ was pretty awesome (well, at least the issue I had; no doubt other reissues were "stripped"). It consisted of several pages of full-color graphics with a medieval theme; particularly nice was the "Battle" centerfold. I am still kicking meself for giving all my LPs away in a moment of haste as I embarked in one of my many relocations... (the moving truck was pulling away as I found the old LPs in the front hall closet kinda thing) - - Bill G. np: Neneh Cherry - Home Brew (another $5 find at Warehouse! and another worthy ecto recommendation.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:55:57 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: the day the solid format died I think this is yet another reason to anticipate the coming media-less digital age. I would expect that the computer-like device that, in the future, will play all your music and show all your movies, will have a display at least as good as a decent computer monitor, but eventually more like where HDTV sets are going. In other words, the display is certainly good enough for artwork and information. And it effectively has no boundaries: these things can scroll, or paginate, as needed. Imagine the album cover as web site. Devices along the lines of Palm Pilots, or "tablets" like those imagined on Star Trek or Babylon 5, will offer the same information portably. Printers should still be available to the true Luddite "materialists" :) So no storage clutter problem, maximal searchability, and unlimited artboard. What's not to like? "Fog Jetson" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:59:17 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:25:20AM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > Anyone have a favorite 12” cover? I liked covers that did interesting 3D things, such as Ambrosia's "Somewhere I Never Traveled", Hawkwind's "In Search of Space" (I think it was that one), the Stones' "Some Girls", and of course the original Robert Rauschenberg cover for Talking Heads' "Speaking in Tongues". And all the cool cutout things in the original Sgt. Pepper would never fit in a reissue. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:02:16 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 09:53:54AM -0700, Bill wrote: > I am still kicking meself for giving all my LPs away in a moment of haste > as I embarked in one of my many relocations... (the moving truck was > pulling away as I found the old LPs in the front hall closet kinda thing) I gave about half my vinyl away in a move about five years ago -- but at least they went to Ectophiles! Of the whole stash, the only one that I remember and regret of the several hundred was an original John Zorn disc on the Parachute label. OTOH, all my remaining vinyl disappeared three moves later, so it's all moot :-~. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:42:23 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: the day the solid format died " So no storage clutter problem, maximal searchability, and unlimited artboard. What's not to like?" For me, the same thing that prevents my interest in "digital books", etc. Who wants to put on the latest CD from the Eskimo Leftists or whomever, then curl up by the fire with a good monitor? Ever try to read a book, or even an excerpt, on a CRT or FPD? MAybe if it was wireless and battery-powered, you could at least take it from room to room. And yes, those little heads-up displays built into glasses are kinda cute, but you tend to bounce off the furniture a lot if you move around when using them. Somehow, the ephemeral nature of the medium doesn't work for me; it's just another extension of the television. Give me something that isn't held in place by a fragile stream of magnetically aimed electrons. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:05:51 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 12:55:57PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > In other words, the display is certainly good enough for artwork and > information. And it effectively has no boundaries: these things can scroll, > or paginate, as needed. Imagine the album cover as web site. A good point. To toot my own horn, check out the cover/site design I did a few years back at http://www.artswire.org/comma/CD/ -- it uses the CD cover as an animated imagemap that opens out, as it were, into a torrent of information and further links. OTOH, the future described would pretty much require ubiquitous, mobile Web access with sufficient display size and resolution. Not quite here...yet. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:03:50 -0700 From: Brian Bloom Subject: RE: the day the solid format died > >Anyone still have a copy of the first ever ( to my knowledge) graphically >enhanced 12"; Curved Air? No. Never heard of it. >Anyone have a favorite 12" cover? Either Styx - Paradise Theater (with its before and after paintings of said theater) or Pink Floyd - The Wall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:02:14 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: the day the solid format died From a Luddite materialist: If all I have to look forward to in anticipation of an aesthetic experience is concrete floors with cinderblock walls and a single ceiling hung bulb illuminating my damn palm pilot and dixie cup speakers, attending mud bog racing may be the only stimulation left. A pox on all you geeks. Fie! The technology is still not the message, and never will be. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" To: "ecto" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: RE: the day the solid format died > I think this is yet another reason to anticipate the coming media-less > digital age. > > I would expect that the computer-like device that, in the future, will play > all your music and show all your movies, will have a display at least as > good as a decent computer monitor, but eventually more like where HDTV sets > are going. > > In other words, the display is certainly good enough for artwork and > information. And it effectively has no boundaries: these things can scroll, > or paginate, as needed. Imagine the album cover as web site. > > Devices along the lines of Palm Pilots, or "tablets" like those imagined on > Star Trek or Babylon 5, will offer the same information portably. > > Printers should still be available to the true Luddite "materialists" :) > > So no storage clutter problem, maximal searchability, and unlimited > artboard. What's not to like? > > > > "Fog Jetson" > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:26:29 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:42:23AM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > For me, the same thing that prevents my interest in "digital books", etc. > Who wants to put on the latest CD from the Eskimo Leftists or whomever, then > curl up by the fire with a good monitor? > Ever try to read a book, or even an excerpt, on a CRT or FPD? MAybe if it > was wireless and battery-powered, you could at least take it from room to > room. And yes, those little heads-up displays built into glasses are kinda > cute, but you tend to bounce off the furniture a lot if you move around when > using them. Digital books, roughly the same size, shape, weight, and resolution as dead tree editions, and using small swappable thingies that contain the actual content, exist right now. Expect them to hit the affordable consumer market in a small number of years. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:17:30 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: the day the solid format died In a message dated 9/27/00 7:46:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << You may have missed this, but what I meant was that to those of us who were used to booklets that were 12" or so on a side rather than 4.75" (I've been designing a bunch of CD covers of late so that number is tattooed on my brain), the tiny items that pass as packaging nowadays are kind of pathetic. See if you can find some records in your town and see what the older album graphics looked like before they were shrunk down to less than 1/4 size. >> Yeah, I have some vinyls. I've got TANGO IN THE NIGHT by Fleetwood Mac, IN MY TRIBE by 10,000 Maniacs, HOTEL CALIFNORNIA by The Eagles, HOTCAKES by Carley Simon (an interesting story on how I acquired that one) and DEJA VU by CSNY. Yes, the graphics were much cooler, and I can easilly see why people who grew up with that would miss them. A lot of labels still release vinyl copies of stuff, and you can even find some on cdnow. Anyways, later folks. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan Now hit those gleaming faces hard You know you'd try to miss it you'd do the same for others Look now it's raising Ready to put you under light sedation - -Mary Margaret O'Hara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:53:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: RE: the day the solid format died On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Phil Hudson wrote: > I think the late 60s and most of the 70 were the glory years for really > interesting album covers; before it started getting too expensive, according > to the record companies. > Anyone still have a copy of the first ever ( to my knowledge) graphically > enhanced 12”; Curved Air? > Anyone have a favorite 12” cover? Not long ago I looked through my LPs and came across Fleetwood Mac's Tusk album. Not very surpricing though as I'm a huge fan and have collected them for years. That release got some of my favorite covers (the packaging is pretty interesting in itself as it got separate covers for each of the LPs in this double-release) of my favorite covers, and I've spent some time studying it and trying to figure out references - the photos are really wonderful as well. - -- Yngve n.p. Goodbye Mr McKenzie - Live: On the Day of Storms (Did Shirley Manson sing lead in this band at all? I haven't gotten that far on the album at least) n.r. David Weber - On Basilisk Station ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: the day the solid format died On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:42:23AM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > > > For me, the same thing that prevents my interest in "digital books", etc. > > Who wants to put on the latest CD from the Eskimo Leftists or whomever, then > > curl up by the fire with a good monitor? > > Ever try to read a book, or even an excerpt, on a CRT or FPD? MAybe if it > > was wireless and battery-powered, you could at least take it from room to > > room. And yes, those little heads-up displays built into glasses are kinda > > cute, but you tend to bounce off the furniture a lot if you move around when > > using them. > > Digital books, roughly the same size, shape, weight, and resolution as > dead tree editions, and using small swappable thingies that contain the > actual content, exist right now. Expect them to hit the affordable > consumer market in a small number of years. i swear, this stuff makes me feel like a luddite, although i admit to being somewhat intrigued by the notion of an e-book using digital paper, so that there are still real pages, and i'm ecologically attracted to the idea of putting information in completely reusable containers...but... the book is an interface for accessing information that has been refined over hundreds of years. a book gives you qualitative and quantitative information that you probably don't think about, because the interface is so intutitive, you don't think of it AS an "interface." but how many literature students (or others) have been able to quickly find a passage you were looking for (without knowing an exact search string) because you remembered that it was on the top left hand side of a page? how many people have decided to stay up an extra half-hour because the feel of the pages under your right hand told you that that's how long it would take to finish the novel? now, how many people have been unable to finish reading a book because it's batteries suddenly died? how many people have been unable to read a book because of glare conditions that couldn't be solved by putting on sunglasses or moving closer to the light? and when's the last time you used any high-tech device at all that operated in a way that suggested that interface design/human factors had been the PRIMARY operational consideration, instead of a poor second (at best) to engineering-imposed constraints? ever?? 'cuz i sure haven't. if you've ever seen a digital alarm clock as easy to use as the old fashioned analogue type where you could see the alarm hand, i'd love to see it. i hate the idea of needing a 'computer' or 'computer-like' device to listen to music, and i hate the idea of needing one to read far, far more. ick ick ick. - -- d. dept. of dc promtion: emm gryner metro cafe, early show, monday 1 october. skootch over to glenn's column http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0252.html to get an idea of why you shouldn't miss this. also, new band of mine, semi-lunar valve, this friday at the black cat. 3-part m/f harmony, more british invasion infl. than my previous outfit. benefit to promote (oh the irony!) literacy. cheers. ps. minutes before i typed this rant, the mailman brought me a box including, among some small silver things, dirt cheap - $2 ea - beautiful big LPs of some early Todd Rundgren/Utopia recordings. whee! i was always partial to the big gatefold of alice cooper's _from the inside_, the big faux newspaper that wrapped jethro tull's _thick as a brick_ was arguably more interesting than the record inside! the rolling stones _sticky fingers_ zipper took it too far, though -- it was hard on whatever was filed next to it. i'm thinking about getting a turntable to supplement the office boombox; the only hitch is i'd have to get an amp for it too, and they can't be had as cheaply. np black sabbath _paranoid_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #287 **************************