From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #284 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, September 26 2000 Volume 06 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: Live Ambient-Space Music in SF [Drew Harrington ] Second call for Basque concert in DC... [Craig Gidney ] How are your CDs organized [Bill Adler ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Joseph Zitt ] Re: How are your CDs organized ["phclark" ] RE: How are your CDs organized [Phil Hudson ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Joseph Zitt ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Marla Tiara ] Re: How are your CDs organized [eperkins@surfbest.net] Re: How are your CDs organized [jjhanson@att.net] FW: How are your CDs organized [Phil Hudson ] RE: How are your CDs organized ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Andrew Fries ] Re: How are your CDs organized ["ReNeEz DaBoMb" ] Re: How are your CDs organized [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Harrington Subject: Fwd: Live Ambient-Space Music in SF Everyone (especially SF bay Area folk), After meeting Kevin Keller at an Imogen Heap show a few years back, I recently cought one of his (fairly rare) performances opening for Steve Roach at the Morrison Plantarium. I enjoyed that performance so much, I thought I'd tell you all about the next one (from his mailing list): > AFTERGLOW - An Evening of Music and Dance, 10-28-00 > > Kevin Keller Trio returns to St. James Church for an > evening of music for the changing light of autumn. > The trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, > and Kevin Keller/keyboards) will unveil three new > pieces from their forthcoming CD, and this will be > there final performance of the year before going > into the studio. Also performing will be dancer > and choreographer Cherie Carson, presenting original > dance and shadow play. This is an exciting and > unique concert experience for all space music, > chamber music, and modern dance lovers. > > Advance tickets are now available on-line at > www.ticketweb.com, and through the Kevin Keller > web site www.kevinkeller.com. > > Saturday, October 28, 2000 > Doors open at 7:30 PM > St. James Church > 4620 California Street, SF > Admission: $10 in advance/$12 at the door > Tickets: www.ticketweb.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:01:33 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: male singers with long notes (can I say that?) Hi, At 15:03 23.09.00 -0700, Bill Mazur wrote: >Kevin was a very charismatic and incredibly talented musician and >performer. It is very sad that he is no longer with us. I totally agree with you. I just received copies of The Shaming... and the Giraffe compilation. At the moment I prefer the Giraffe album. One evening last week I only wanted to briefly scan through the songs before going to bed, but I had to listen to the whole 74 minutes. Sometimes you can hear Kevin's favor for the old Genesis stuff like The Lamb Lies Down. The Giraffe compilation is one of the most intense albums that I know. Dirk http://www.dkastens.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:16:24 -0700 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 24 September 2000 New Guide entries added for: * Ivor Game Changes made to the entries for: * Amy Correia (new album) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:16:17 EST From: "Anne Deming" Subject: Joan Osborne Joan Osborne, LIVE at First Avenue, Minneapolis, MN, Friday, September 22, 2000. I walked into First Ave a little after 7PM to catch the entire set of the opener, Lina. She had a rather pleasant voice, but little else. She stepped on stage wearing jeans, a shiny top and an enormous flower stuck behind her ear and occasionally an orange boa she wore during her “I wanna be Billie Holiday” songs. She was a mix of R&B, jazz and a poetry reading; slightly enjoyable, but not my first, second or third choice to open for Joan Osborne. Joan hit the stage at 8:45 PM looking like a very pretty Janis Joplin (plaid pants, a white t-shirt with a red car on it, tan suede jacket, and rose tinted sun glasses). She sang three songs off her new release “Righteous Love” and the crowd went crazy. Joan stated, several times, how overwhelmed she was by her Minneapolis welcome. I don’t think that many people even knew she had a new album out, but they loved her performance from start to finish, singing along to any part of any song they knew. “St. Theresa” was AMAZING, her voice growled and soared with unbelievable force. During “Right Hand Man”, Joan had the audience singing and dancing up a storm. Also, transitions from song to song were quite fluid, with a perfect mix of old and new. I posted my brief and very disappointed review of “Righteous Love” at the beginning of September which, unfortunately, has not changed at all. There is one amazing track on the CD, “To Make You Feel My Love”, which was her closing song. It was simple, sweet and reminiscent of “Crazy Baby” from “Relish”. Too often an artist can produce a solid record as far as songwriting, musicality and vocals are concerned but lack the ability to bring that music to life on stage during a performance…but not Joan. She was at ease and on fire at the same time during the entire set. While I didn’t quite care for a good portion of the music (her new stuff), I thoroughly enjoyed every second of the concert. Her voice was incredibly vibrant; she utilized the microphone, her band, the room, the people-EVERYTHING-to give an outstanding performance. I would recommend a front row seat to any show she’s giving. - -Anne _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Second call for Basque concert in DC... Tuesday (tomorrow) at the Metro Cafe on 14 and Psts NW @ 8pm. >Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:07:58 -0400 From: Libby Subject: cohen's hallelujah (Re: ecto-digest V6 #281) There's a very slick and subtle cover of "Hallelujah" performed by Bono on the tribute album, "Tower of Song the Songs of Leonard Cohen". (this is the same cd with Tori's stunning interpretation of "Famous Blue Raincoat") ~!L - ------------- "There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew." - Marshall McLuhan - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:41:54 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: cohen's hallelujah (Re: ecto-digest V6 #281) > There's a very slick and subtle cover of "Hallelujah" performed by Bono > on the tribute album, "Tower of Song the Songs of Leonard Cohen". > For some reason (perhaps because I watched the Cher Live at MGM Grand concert last night), when I first read this I imagined Sonny Bono singing it-- I just couldn't imagine his rendition being called "slick and subtle". Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Goldfrapp. Anyone who love dark and dreamy trip-hop, ala Portishead, would be wise to purchase the new cd "Felt Mountain" by Goldfrapp. Goldfrapp is singer-keyboardist-songerwriter Alison Goldfrapp and Will Gregory. Their music is made of spy-movie soundtracks, 70s pop orchestrations, harpsichords and Goldfrapp's rich, velvety crooning -- there's more than a little hint of Shirley Bassey in the mix. Really good and haunting, a late night kinda records. Thoughful review coming later, just now basking in the glory of this music. - --Craig. n.r. Cryptonimcon. n.p. Goldfrapp, "Felt Mountain" Fave Backstreet Boy: Kevin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:27:07 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: How are your CDs organized Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing CDs? I'm asking in part because I'm looking for a better method, but also because I'm writing a book on organizing stuff. The book, Outwitting Clutter, will be the latest in the Outwitting series, which includes Outwitting Squirrels, Outwitting Toddlers and Outwitting Neighbors. If you have a really great system --or a big mess-- let me know. I'd also be happy to put a picture of you and your CDs in the book. Digital pictures are okay, as long as the resolution is high. FWIW, I keep my "home" CDs in their jewel boxes on my bookshelf; my "car" CDs go in one of those Case Logic cases with sleeves. Not terribly exciting, but it works. But while researching Outwitting Clutter (which will cover more than just music clutter) I discovered very thin, almost CD-sized CD cases, available at www.cyberguys.com (look for item 134 0110.) Anyway, if you have any anti-clutter tips or pics, pass them along. - --Bill Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:01:12 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Welp, this comes up pretty often. I have mine primarily in two groupings: those I've listened to and those I haven't (which now outnumber the former). I mostly use jewelcases. While I've tried plastic sleeves, I've found them frustrating due to spinelessness and slipperiness. I also tend to pull chunks out for various processes and not get around to reshelving them, so I have piles of them across all flat surfaces and the floor, some of which have cascaded. If you're looking for a testcase of clutter here in DC, my apartment is the poster child :-) On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 02:27:07PM -0400, Bill Adler wrote: > Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing CDs? > > I'm asking in part because I'm looking for a better method, but also > because I'm writing a book on organizing stuff. The book, Outwitting > Clutter, will be the latest in the Outwitting series, which includes > Outwitting Squirrels, Outwitting Toddlers and Outwitting Neighbors. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:58:38 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized That little doodad is slick, expensive, though. Too bad you can't do anything with the propaganda. Someone who has over 1k cds has a combination of several things: 1. A physical storage headache 2. Acres of storage space 3. A filing problem 4. No storage space left I went to vinyl storage sleeves a couple of years ago. These hold the propaganda as well in a double pocket 5" x 11" sleeve. They're slippery as all get out. But, it promotes tidiness, 'cause 10 of 'em won't stack. OTOH, they take up 20 to 30% of the space of a jewel case, so it's worth it. I bought a case (36"h x 24"w x 18"d) with storage in the doors that holds over 1500 comfortably, max is probably about 4k. I'm OK for the short term. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Adler" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: How are your CDs organized > Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing CDs? > > I'm asking in part because I'm looking for a better method, but also > because I'm writing a book on organizing stuff. The book, Outwitting > Clutter, will be the latest in the Outwitting series, which includes > Outwitting Squirrels, Outwitting Toddlers and Outwitting Neighbors. > > If you have a really great system --or a big mess-- let me know. I'd also > be happy to put a picture of you and your CDs in the book. Digital > pictures are okay, as long as the resolution is high. > > FWIW, I keep my "home" CDs in their jewel boxes on my bookshelf; my "car" > CDs go in one of those Case Logic cases with sleeves. Not terribly > exciting, but it works. But while researching Outwitting Clutter (which > will cover more than just music clutter) I discovered very thin, almost > CD-sized CD cases, available at www.cyberguys.com (look for item 134 0110.) > > Anyway, if you have any anti-clutter tips or pics, pass them along. > > --Bill > > > > Bill Adler > > www.adlerbooks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:05:04 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: RE: How are your CDs organized Here's an interesting way to organize large numbers of CDs that doesn't require you to rearrange everything whenever you buy new ones: First alphabetize everything in your collection. Now number them all, starting with the number 10 and adding 5 for each CD. ( ie 10, 15, 20, 25, etc) If you intend to collect a lot of a particular artist's works, leave a few more numbers available in that range. Now create your master list and alphabetize that to figure out where they all are! This way, as you add more CDs, you don't need to renumber or rearrange the whole collection, you simply add "21" or "36" or whatever. As long as you keep your numbering together, and maintain the master list, it works. Of course, if you buy LOTs of CDs and run out of numbers too soon, then you're screwed! :) - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Adler [mailto:billonline@adlerbooks.com] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:27 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: How are your CDs organized Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing CDs? I'm asking in part because I'm looking for a better method, but also because I'm writing a book on organizing stuff. The book, Outwitting Clutter, will be the latest in the Outwitting series, which includes Outwitting Squirrels, Outwitting Toddlers and Outwitting Neighbors. If you have a really great system --or a big mess-- let me know. I'd also be happy to put a picture of you and your CDs in the book. Digital pictures are okay, as long as the resolution is high. FWIW, I keep my "home" CDs in their jewel boxes on my bookshelf; my "car" CDs go in one of those Case Logic cases with sleeves. Not terribly exciting, but it works. But while researching Outwitting Clutter (which will cover more than just music clutter) I discovered very thin, almost CD-sized CD cases, available at www.cyberguys.com (look for item 134 0110.) Anyway, if you have any anti-clutter tips or pics, pass them along. - --Bill Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:35:42 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Why number them at all? The alphabet is already in order. This method gives me flashbacks of writing BASIC code in the '70s. *shudder* On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > Here's an interesting way to organize large numbers of CDs that doesn't > require you to rearrange everything whenever you buy new ones: > > First alphabetize everything in your collection. > Now number them all, starting with the number 10 and adding 5 for each CD. ( > ie 10, 15, 20, 25, etc) > If you intend to collect a lot of a particular artist's works, leave a few > more numbers available in that range. > > Now create your master list and alphabetize that to figure out where they > all are! This way, as you add more CDs, you don't need to renumber or > rearrange the whole collection, you simply add "21" or "36" or whatever. As > long as you keep your numbering together, and maintain the master list, it > works. Of course, if you buy LOTs of CDs and run out of numbers too soon, > then you're screwed! :) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized - --- Bill Adler wrote: > Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or > failed-- ways of organizing CDs? I have about 1000 CDs - so I have two of the giant CD holders that you get at unfinished furniture stores. Cassettes take up the top two shelves of one, but the rest is just CDs, CDs, and more CDs - most are organized alphabetically by artist (although Tori Amos is on top - my Tori collection is huge and takes priority), and then there is a "Multi-artist/soundtrack" section that isn't very organized (Tori on multi-artist CDs and soundtracks goes in the Tori section, but that's the only deviation), a section of my boyfriend's classical CDs, and a section of bootlegs (including Tori bootlegs although I go back and forth on that decision). Sarah Cracknell is separate from Saint Etienne, Angelfish is under "A" not "G" for Garbage, and Bonfire Madigan is separate from Madigan's solo work. But I'm not always as consistent. :D And then there are piles of CDs all over the floor and all over a bookshelf and on top of my stereo because I've taken them out to do something and haven't put them back. I also have about four CD "wallets" that I use to put any CDRs that I burn (for example, of mp3s from newsgroups) and some bootlegs because jewelcases take up too much space and it's cheaper to just buy spindles without cases anyway. Fun question... marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:35:23 PST From: eperkins@surfbest.net Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized You can also avoid this problem altogether if you store your CDs in a bookcase-type thing, with no slots, so the CDs are stored vertically and can be slid over to make room for new ones. I recently got one that has the added advantage of having shelves slightly taller than a standard jewel case, so that even the odd-shaped CD cases/packages fit. I'd thought of switching to some other type of case, but I'm fussy about keeping things in the packages they came in... On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:05:04 -0700 Phil Hudson wrote: > Here's an interesting way to organize large numbers of CDs that doesn't > require you to rearrange everything whenever you buy new ones: > > First alphabetize everything in your collection. > Now number them all, starting with the number 10 and adding 5 for each > CD. ( > ie 10, 15, 20, 25, etc) > If you intend to collect a lot of a particular artist's works, leave a > few > more numbers available in that range. > > Now create your master list and alphabetize that to figure out where > they > all are! This way, as you add more CDs, you don't need to renumber or > rearrange the whole collection, you simply add "21" or "36" or whatever. > As > long as you keep your numbering together, and maintain the master list, > it > works. Of course, if you buy LOTs of CDs and run out of numbers too soon, > then you're screwed! :) > > - --------------------------------------------------------- This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:19:00 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized While I've seen the CD sleeves in action, I've avoided going that route myself--I like browsability and the stability that jewel boxes provide. I recently bought a rack made by Boltz, availabile through cdholdings.com. It holds 600, is two feet wide, and can be extended two feet at a time for as much room as you have. I bought the original with two extensions--which takes up 6 feet of wall space, but holds 1800 CDs. So far I'm quite impressed with it. I still have a wooden 500 CD holder on another wall. My CDs are arranged alphabetically with soundtracks, jazz singers, jazz instrumentals, international, show tune singers, Broadway Shows, opera, choral, classical and Christmas music all separated out in different areas. I used to have pop male vocalists separated out as well but that was due more to a shortage of storage space in the pop area than by preference. With my new storage, they're now mixed in together (which definitely helps resolve those questions like where to file Beautiful South, Mamas and the Papas or other bands with both male and female signers). I have a 200 CD disc changer that I keep loaded and use as radio (playing it on random). I usually try to maintain a list of what's in there, but am not great about keeping it up to date. The CD jewel boxes are files back in their place. If I want to play an individual or new CD (that's not in the player) I use my DVD player, computer, work computer or portable "ghetto blaster" style CD player. New releases typically make the rounds from home to car to work and eventually into the CD jukebox, until they're eventually replaced. The worst part about having the CD Jukebox is grabbing empty jewel boxes to loan out or take to work (forgetting that the CDs are in the player). Of course, that's a problem for all CD players, but when you have 200 in the player, it's a little bit toughter to remember what's in there and what's not. Otherwise I love having it. Jeff Hanson > That little doodad is slick, expensive, though. Too bad you can't do > anything with the propaganda. > > Someone who has over 1k cds has a combination of several things: > > 1. A physical storage headache > 2. Acres of storage space > 3. A filing problem > 4. No storage space left > > I went to vinyl storage sleeves a couple of years ago. These hold the > propaganda as well in a double pocket 5" x 11" sleeve. They're slippery as > all get out. But, it promotes tidiness, 'cause 10 of 'em won't stack. > OTOH, they take up 20 to 30% of the space of a jewel case, so it's worth it. > > I bought a case (36"h x 24"w x 18"d) with storage in the doors that holds > over 1500 comfortably, max is probably about 4k. I'm OK for the short term. > > Peter C > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Adler" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:27 AM > Subject: How are your CDs organized > > > > Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing > CDs? > > > > I'm asking in part because I'm looking for a better method, but also > > because I'm writing a book on organizing stuff. The book, Outwitting > > Clutter, will be the latest in the Outwitting series, which includes > > Outwitting Squirrels, Outwitting Toddlers and Outwitting Neighbors. > > > > If you have a really great system --or a big mess-- let me know. I'd also > > be happy to put a picture of you and your CDs in the book. Digital > > pictures are okay, as long as the resolution is high. > > > > FWIW, I keep my "home" CDs in their jewel boxes on my bookshelf; my "car" > > CDs go in one of those Case Logic cases with sleeves. Not terribly > > exciting, but it works. But while researching Outwitting Clutter (which > > will cover more than just music clutter) I discovered very thin, almost > > CD-sized CD cases, available at www.cyberguys.com (look for item 134 > 0110.) > > > > Anyway, if you have any anti-clutter tips or pics, pass them along. > > > > --Bill > > > > > > > > Bill Adler > > > > www.adlerbooks.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:28:04 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: FW: How are your CDs organized OOOps wrong system! sorry about that previous post, I must have been in the Bahamas when I was writing it. What I meant to convey was this. Alphabetize what you already have, just for fun, now number them all; forget the 10,15, 20 stuff, I was on drugs when I said that; just number them all. Now make your master list. OK now, when you add CDs, just give them the next number and add them physically to the end of your collection. As long as you keep the master list updated, you won't need to rearrange your entire collection to slip in a few "r"s or "n's. The system works really well if you have a lot of CDs packed into shelves and don't want to keep moving them around to add new ones. Phil - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:36 AM To: Phil Hudson Cc: 'Bill Adler'; ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Why number them at all? The alphabet is already in order. This method gives me flashbacks of writing BASIC code in the '70s. *shudder* On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Phil Hudson wrote: > Here's an interesting way to organize large numbers of CDs that doesn't > require you to rearrange everything whenever you buy new ones: > > First alphabetize everything in your collection. > Now number them all, starting with the number 10 and adding 5 for each CD. ( > ie 10, 15, 20, 25, etc) > If you intend to collect a lot of a particular artist's works, leave a few > more numbers available in that range. > > Now create your master list and alphabetize that to figure out where they > all are! This way, as you add more CDs, you don't need to renumber or > rearrange the whole collection, you simply add "21" or "36" or whatever. As > long as you keep your numbering together, and maintain the master list, it > works. Of course, if you buy LOTs of CDs and run out of numbers too soon, > then you're screwed! :) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:48:34 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: How are your CDs organized Had to laugh at Joe's Basic programming comment. If you must number, consider the APL language and abandon integers. Number the base set 1,2,3, etc then introduce 1.1, 1.5, 1.115, whatever, as needed, ad infinitum. But I also agree that an alphabetization is more natural. I'm in the 'by artist' alphabetizing camp. Sometimes liberties are taken, for instance movie soundtracks go by movie name, unless its predominantly a single artist. Collections go under V for various. I'll generally separate a solo artist from their band work, with the exception of Zappa/Mothers. I tried that in the vinyl days and it drove me nuts. Cheap departments store like the now defunct Caldor, KMart, WalMart carry these particle board precut storage units. Often called "storage stacker" or something like that. There's one size that is illustrated as storing shoes: two shelves to a unit, about 2.5 to 3 feet wide, about a foot deep. I get these, staple or glue a strip of quarter round wood about 5 inches in, and call it a CD shelf. Can stack them about 6 high as long as they don't get any sideward forces. Cheap (if you find them on sale) and extendable. Plus you can hide stuff behind the CDs (as the SNL skit would say, this is where ya hide yer weed :) A cheap bookshelf also works, but since the shelves are generally twice as high as needed for CDs I use cut scrap paneling or even corrugated cardboard to double up the shelves. Last year I bought one of those 200 CD players, one that works with my extant carousel. This proved to be an interesting dilemma. What I wound up doing was, for any CD stored in the juke I'd write the machine disc number on the back of the jewel case in china marker. I'd also enter it into a spreadsheet indexed by said number, and printed that list out. I found I needed both, so that (a) if someone wanted to hear a CD from the collection, I could program the machine to it quickly, and (b) if it's in shuffle mode and I don't recognize a CD playing I could look it up on the printout quickly. As much as I enjoy having the physical media around, I think I'm pretty near ready for the day when its all done electronically by the computerized network device. I've resisted the investment in DVD so far mainly because I'm not looking forward to this new media sinkhole that will inevitably ensue. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:17:41 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized I should have added a little more detail to my organization method. I used to have all my CDs, about 700, in a few CD lazy susans, but I could never find anything. Or at least I couldn't find what I was looking for. So then I moved the CDs to my bookshelves (finally got rid of my college textbooks) and implemented a slightly (and I emphasize slightly) better system: I have my CDs grouped by category: Pop, female vocal, new rock, classic rock, show tunes, etc. For those sets where I have a whole lot of CDs --pop for example-- I subdivide them into alphabet parts, such as Pop A- M, Pop N - Z. Not the most organized system in the world, but it seems to hold up. - --Bill P.S. I'm serious about photos for the book. The pictures can be with you in them or not; they can also be anonymous. At 12:28 PM 9/25/00 -0700, you wrote: I have about 1000 CDs - so I have two of the giant CD holders that you get at unfinished furniture stores. Cassettes take up the top two shelves of one, but the rest is just CDs, CDs, and more CDs - most are organized alphabetically by artist (although Tori Amos is on top - my Tori collection is huge and takes priority), and then there is a "Multi-artist/soundtrack" section that isn't very organized (Tori on multi-artist CDs and soundtracks goes in the Tori section, but that's the only deviation), a section of my boyfriend's classical CDs, and a section of bootlegs (including Tori bootlegs although I go back and forth on that decision). Sarah Cracknell is separate from Saint Etienne, Angelfish is under "A" not "G" for Garbage, and Bonfire Madigan is separate from Madigan's solo work. But I'm not always as consistent. :D And then there are piles of CDs all over the floor and all over a bookshelf and on top of my stereo because I've taken them out to do something and haven't put them back. I also have about four CD "wallets" that I use to put any CDRs that I burn (for example, of mp3s from newsgroups) and some bootlegs because jewelcases take up too much space and it's cheaper to just buy spindles without cases anyway. Fun question... marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:15:50 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Ah, we're back to that topic, are we? well, organising my collection is becoming something of a problem for me at the moment. My CDs live in two storage towers, of a revolving type. As for the way the CDs are organised, at first I used to have one tower devoted to Australian CDs, the other holding "the rest of the world". I used to take pride in the fact they both held about equal number of CDs! Then I tried to rearrange my collection by "type"; acoustic numbers together, electronica somewhere else, Natalie Merchant next to the Maniacs and Innocence Mission. Sarah Slean near Tori Amos... you get the idea. But soon I found things were too hard to find this way, since not every choice is clear-cut enough, and I'd often change my mind as to where any particular CD should belong. In the end I settled for boring alphabetical order, leavind bits of space on each rack for additions. That worked well enough, until I started to run out of room! My towers are getting pretty full and the obvious solution would be to buy a third tower, except I don't really have any space I could fit it in. So for now I limit the number of CDs instead, trying to keep it constant. As I get more CDs I find some others I can discard. Those I just throw into the "discard pile" in the depths of my cupboard. Unfortunately those "depths" are getting pretty shallow too, and I guess I'll have to start selling some disks eventually but I hate that idea so I'm sure I'll wait till the last possible moment.... I'm hoping I'll be able to get a larger house before it comes to that! - ------------------------------------------------------ "Today I want to talk about piracy and music. What is piracy? Piracy is the act of stealing an artist's work without any intention of paying for it. I'm not talking about Napster-type software. I'm talking about major label recording contracts." -- Courtney Love - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/spot.php3 ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:54:06 -0500 From: "ReNeEz DaBoMb" Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Well.. i don't know if this will help, but i keep all of mine 350+ (not many, i know but i'm still young) in a handy dandy CD book. but the box sets are in the original cases... does that help? Renee N.R.-Stage direction and you (or what ever it's called)-George Black (it's a directing II text book arrgggg!) - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Marla Tiara Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:28:00 -0700 (PDT) - --- Bill Adler wrote: > Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or > failed-- ways of organizing CDs? I have about 1000 CDs - so I have two of the giant CD holders that you get at unfinished furniture stores. Cassettes take up the top two shelves of one, but the rest is just CDs, CDs, and more CDs - most are organized alphabetically by artist (although Tori Amos is on top - my Tori collection is huge and takes priority), and then there is a "Multi-artist/soundtrack" section that isn't very organized (Tori on multi-artist CDs and soundtracks goes in the Tori section, but that's the only deviation), a section of my boyfriend's classical CDs, and a section of bootlegs (including Tori bootlegs although I go back and forth on that decision). Sarah Cracknell is separate from Saint Etienne, Angelfish is under "A" not "G" for Garbage, and Bonfire Madigan is separate from Madigan's solo work. But I'm not always as consistent. :D And then there are piles of CDs all over the floor and all over a bookshelf and on top of my stereo because I've taken them out to do something and haven't put them back. I also have about four CD "wallets" that I use to put any CDRs that I burn (for example, of mp3s from newsgroups) and some bootlegs because jewelcases take up too much space and it's cheaper to just buy spindles without cases anyway. Fun question... marla tiara ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- ThIs Is WhY pEoPle Od On PiLlS, aNd JuMp FrOm ThE gOlDeN gAtE bRiDgE... aNy ThInG tO fEeL wEiGhTlEsS aGaIn! - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:07:57 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized Hi! Bill inquired: >Does anyone have an especially wonderful --or failed-- ways of organizing CDs? Ah, the perennial question comes around again. Here at the House O'Muzak we have a space issue, as well as a problem with fundamental laziness. As a result, our CDs are arranged chronologically, by default. The 1600 CDs that are in the racks in the living room date from the time (several years ago, now) when we had both the space to put all of our CDs into racks, and the time to alphabetize the entire collection. It's done by artist, and CDs are arranged chronologically within each artist. Compilations and soundtracks are alphabetized by title in their own section, then Classical is alphabetized by composer. Everything we've accumulated since, oh, 1995 (which is somewhere around 2400 more CDs at this point) is piled somewhere, probably in the computer room, either in the bookshelf or on the computer desk or on woj's desk or in shorter piles all over the floor. If a CD isn't there, it's in the piles on top of the stereo speaker in the living room corner or on the coffee table or the bookshelf in the hall or on one of the shelves in the dining room. I found a CD in the bathroom once. Hell, I even think there are some CDs in the kitchen at the moment. Whenever I'm looking for something I ask woj where it is, because only he has any vague notion of which pile to look in. We have a dearth of wall space, so wall-mounted storage units aren't an option, and free-standing units aren't going to work too well either. I *hate* those plastic sleeves (makes it impossible to find anything, and they slide all over the place when you try to put them into neat little piles). So I guess it's continued pileage for us ... though Bill, I look forward to your book. I'm sure it will prove quite useful for us. :) (If you want another model of "how NOT to store your CDs", just head on up to New Haven with your camera and we'll be happy to oblige. :}) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:32:12 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: How are your CDs organized We use a combination of vinyl sleeves and cd boxes, so slippage is minimal and browsing is still a delight. We have two 5' hight bookcases and a friend built interior shelves so we could have two levels of discs in each shelf. The only genre distinction we make is between classical and non-classical. Any artist by which we have more than one cd gets one jewel box with a label with their name in it and the discs put into the vinyl sleeves (these are the kind that hold box the booklet and the tray card), and they all go in alphabetical order by artist. We do all the name labels on the same peacock blue paper, so visitors have commented that we must choose discs by the spine colour. But it's great--they don't slide around much, they give plenty of slack for new additions so it's only every few months we need to rearrange for new acquisitions, and best of all, we fit well over 1,500 discs (well, 1,300 since our big sale) in two bookcases and still had room to use one of the bottom shelves for some tapes and the other for vinyl. Discs are easy to find, too. - --Neile - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #284 **************************