From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #282 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, September 24 2000 Volume 06 : Number 282 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: song on radio [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ecto-digest V6 #281 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: Dancer in the Dark review (from Salon) [Philip David Morgan ] male singers with long notes (can I say that?) [Paul Huesman ] sarah harmer interview [meredith ] Majestic song endings WAS: Re: male singers with long notes (can I say that?) [Bill Mazur So I am throwing this thread question out to you all. Name a MALE > performance that astonished you with a note he held, and if you have a > recording of it, how long does he hold it? (Pop or rock only, as I am sure > there's more than a few in the opera genre). This is probably going to be of no use whatever since I can't verify a specific example, but something tells me there's got to be something that qualifies in Jeff Buckley's discography somewhere. Perhaps someone with a more immediate knowledge of his stuff can provide an example? >> I can think of a Jeff Buckley song as you described. At the end of "Grace" (the song) he wails over this cascading orchestration and the note goes on for some time. It's pretty astounding, not sure how much of that was production or what, as there are several more of his vocal tracks layered over it. On a quieter note, as "Halleluia" is coming to a close, Jeff holds a "halleluuooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooia" over an entire versal chord progression without taking a breath. It's not as thunderingly powerful, but it impressed me. I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with that song, but it is a Leonard Cohen cover, with Jeff alone at an electric guitar. It is very beautiful, one of my personal favorites. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan Now hit those gleaming faces hard You know you'd try to miss it you'd do the same for others Look now it's raising Ready to put you under light sedation - -Mary Margaret O'Hara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:35:37 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan (by way of Michael Curry ) Subject: Re: Dancer in the Dark review (from Salon) On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, you wrote: Greetings, Michael et.al.: Re Stephanie Zacharek's review of Lars von Trier's _Dancer in the Dark_: > She seemed to really hate the movie, but really like Bjork... >From Stephane Zacharek's Salon review - and this is her main complaint (http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2000/09/22/trier_dancer/index.html): "In filmmaking, as in life, ineptitude is forgivable. Ineptitude coupled with arrogance is not...Lars von Trier is the kind of director who cares more about his own paltry vision than about his audience. He's a director who refuses to put the camera in logical places, who lets it swing and wobble woozily, who prefers film stock that makes his picture surface look like it has been soaked in dirty dishwater for three days....He's a founder of [Dogma '95], a school of filmmaking that decries movie "tricks" (you know, things like shooting in focus) as being manipulative and untruthful and holds directors to an unforgiving slate of unities of time and place and the like... In his ruthless pursuit of honesty, von Trier makes his audience work overtime to fill in the dots between his lapses and misconnections, to add imaginary color where he has neglected to put any, to maintain alertness across the prairie-plains indolence of his storytelling. In other words, if we're bored, it's our own damn fault." Sadly, that's been the recurring tone through every review I've read thus far; some critics here liken von Trier to any one of the of the swindlers portrayed in Hans Christian Andersen's _The Emperor's New Clothes_. As someone who suffered through _Breaking the Waves_ and its star Emily Watson (will Lifetime please claim her now?) - and finally rebelled - I know how they feel - cheated. For now, my two cents: if you're going to do a musical - or a Bollywood-style movie, for that matter - do it right, or don't do it at all. Philip David (queueing up for a DVD of _Dil se..._) 9/23/2000 - -- http://dianewolkstein.com/ http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ - -- "What is patriotism but the love of the good things we ate in childhood?" - -- Lin Yutang. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Marla Tiara Subject: Re: song on radio - --- RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > I never thought of this, but maybe somebody on the > list knows of this song > that I heard in a grocery store. I have no idea what > it is, but I am dying to > know. Anyways, the chorus goes like this: > > I miss Arianne (i think that's what he's saying) > I miss Arianne (keeps repeating that) Was it a male singer? it sounds vaguely (and I'm probably wayyy off here) like Julianne by Ben Folds Five, but who knows. marla tiara (lurker extraordinairre) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Famous people wearing my tiara: http://www.marlatiara.com (*updated 9/21/00 - All pictures active!) "I will always love you like a milkshake." - Wesley Willis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Huesman Subject: male singers with long notes (can I say that?) > So I am throwing this thread question out to you all. Name a MALE > performance that astonished you with a note he held, and if you have a > recording of it, how long does he hold it? (Pop or rock only, as I am sure > there's more than a few in the opera genre). The one that comes to my mind is the note that Steve Walsh held at the end of "Journey From Mariabronn" on the first Kansas album. It is one of the most moving, majestic, climaxes to a song I have ever heard. Worth full price for the CD for that moment alone. Paul (who is called Paul) np Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:10:05 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #281 On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 09:33:11AM -0400, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with that song, > but it is a Leonard Cohen cover, with Jeff alone at an electric guitar. It is > very beautiful, one of my personal favorites. Uh oh, Joe and I agree on something. Prepare for the end of the world :-) There's also another beautiful version out by John Cale on, among other things, the Basquiat soundtrack, and Cohen has recorded it twice, including the wonderful live version available on "Cohen Live" and, I think, "More Best". Oddly none of the collections of Cohen's music that I've seen contain it. I'd love to find the sheet music, since I wanna turn my voice teacher on to it. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:37:32 -0400 From: meredith Subject: sarah harmer interview Hi! For those who are interested, there's a cool interview with Sarah Harmer at , with a link included to a very positive review of _You Were Here_. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:28:02 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Majestic song endings WAS: Re: male singers with long notes (can I say that?) Paul Huesman wrote: > > So I am throwing this thread question out to you > all. Name a MALE > > performance that astonished you with a note he held, > and if you have a > > recording of it, how long does he hold it? (Pop or > rock only, as I am > sure > > there's more than a few in the opera genre). > > The one that comes to my mind is the note that Steve > Walsh held at the end of "Journey From Mariabronn" on > the first Kansas album. > It is one of the most moving, majestic, climaxes to a > song I have ever heard. Worth full price for the CD > for that moment alone. Paul, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement above about Steve Walsh and the end of "Journey From Mariabronn". It is a moving and majestic climax to a beautiful, epic song. For me the most stirring and majestic climax to a song is the ending of "Supper's Ready" from the classic Genesis album "Foxtrot" (which is #2 on my personal list of the Top 100 CDs of all time; http://members.nbci.com/wpm03/fave.html). Peter Gabriel's passionate vocals and lyrics, the earnest and driving rhythm of Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford, along with the soaring guitar and keyboard work of Steve Hackett and Tony Banks sends chills up my spine every time I hear it (and I've probably heard it several hundred times at this point). Bill M. n.p. Genesis _Foxtrot_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:03:26 -0700 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: male singers with long notes (can I say that?) > Paul (who is called Paul) > np Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True Paul, What's your opinion of "The Shaming of the True"? I will offer my opinion. I am a great admirer of Kevin Gilbert's artistry. He was a brilliant musician, songwriter, and lyricist. His music and lyrics were always beautifully poignant. I do find "The Shaming of the True" to follow in that path of excellence. However, it is obvious to me that Kevin had allowed himself to get into a very dark and bitter space by the time that he wrote this CD. Many of the songs in this rock opera reflect great irony and some deep seeded bitterness. I recently saw a segment on VH1 Confidential about the tragedy surrounding The Tuesday Night Music Club. My feeling is that that story was slanted in favor of the Sheryl Crow side of the story. However, it does appear that Kevin may have been in a long, slow downward spiral because of the events that happened over the last several years of his life. It is truly sad that Kevin did not receive more of the success that it appears that he was after. It is clear that he was fiercely respected by anyone who had the pleasure to work with him. He continues to have a loyal cult following that seems to be growing. I saw Kevin Gilbert perform live on several occasions (with Giraffe, with Toy Matinee). The most memorable performance for me was when he performed "The Lamb Lies Down" 20th anniversary tribute at the 1994 ProgFest in Los Angeles. I had seen Peter Gabriel and Genesis perform the complete "Lamb" at the Berkeley Community Theatre in 1975. This concert stands as the pinnacle of my concert going experience. It was truly an amazing night! It was really a religious experience for me. The tears were streaming down my cheeks by the end of that concert. Seeing Kevin's performance created the strongest sense of deja vu within me. His performance was nearly as electrifying as Peter Gabriel's performance from 20 years earlier. The only difference for me, from an emotional point of view, was that the Genesis performance was a complete musical, theatrical, and multimedia event that engulfed and overwhelmed me. Kevin was a very charismatic and incredibly talented musician and performer. It is very sad that he is no longer with us. Bill M. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #282 **************************