From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #275 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, September 18 2000 Volume 06 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Odd Guitars [John J Henshon ] Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation [the real dick cheney ] Re: mbv [jason and jill ] Re: mbv [the real dick cheney ] Re: eli whitney folk festival [the real dick cheney ] Poor Clares concert update [Bill Adler ] Saying Hello [tenthvictim@mindspring.com] html reminder [the real dick cheney ] Concert Review - Alicide & Andrea Florian [Ian Clysdale ] Re: sting in central park [woj sven-woj ] RE: The Green World ["Amy" ] googoosh in the news [the real dick cheney ] End of Summer Wrap-up/Fall preview ["Nick Nadel" ] equation [Neile Graham ] random [meredith ] Amy Fairchild fans? [RocketsTail@aol.com] Al Gore [Phil Hudson ] BB invasion (was Re: Sting in Central Park) [Philip David Morgan ] Mary Lydia Ryan News, including that concert I mentioned earlier w/ Veda [Neile Graham Subject: Odd Guitars In Re: eli whitney folk festival Meredith posed an initial inquiry: >>>I liked her "little instruments" -- baritone ukelele (could someone please tell me how this instrument differs from the tenor guitar?) and strum stick. <<< Jeffrey Burka wrote: >I was staring at the string trying to figure out what the hell instrument >she was playing -- looked just like an acoustic guitar but it only had >four strings. > >So, um, baritone uke, I guess? To which Neile came back with: >>Tenor guitar like Veda's?<< There is a four string acoustic guitar that's used a lot in Puerto Rican (and I suppose other Caribbean and South/Latin American) traditional music called a "Quatro" (sp?) It's tuned differently from a regular guitar, and I have heard it used like Mila uses her guitars (with a slack tuning that is). Mila once said that she went to the bass guitar because her constantly slacking of the strings of her guitars to get the sound she wanted was raising hell with (warping) their necks. The red guitar that Merrie Amsterburg used at Ectofest when she wasn't using the Mandolin or the Dan Electro is a baritone guitar. She and Peter Linton have the snappiest collection of guitars. The Trini Lopez Gibson guitar that Peter uses is particularly cool and unusual. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:16:41 -0700 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 17 September 2000 New Guide entries added for: * Karling Abbeygate and the Monks of Love * Yazoo (by request) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:21:56 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: joseph arthur when we last left our heroes, girl with the curious hair exclaimed: >so the other night i saw david gray in concert with joseph arthur. first, >joseph. the guy is amazing live. truly mesmerizing. yeah, i have to agree. haven't seen him live, but i picked up his album on a whim when i saw it in the used bin. when i spotted it, i was intrigued since here was this apparent singer/songwriter with dark, disturbing album artwork on realworld (of all labels). i gave the disc a listen before buying it and was still undecided but bought it anyways. listened to it on the way home and it's *really* good. surprisingly good. didn't expect to like it as much as i do. while i haven't listened to it as much as you'd think given that accolade (gimme a break -- any disc is lucky if it gets more than a few listens here at the house o'muzak; meredith and i need to work on our listening discipline), i still give it an unabashed thumbs up. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:16:44 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation when we last left our heroes, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com exclaimed: >But at any rate, I got the new David Gray album, WHITE LADDER, and man it's >great. One of the best blendings of acoustic folk with electronic samples. our cable system has been previewing m2 this week and we've seen the "babylon" video more than a few times. not bad of a song and it catches your ear with repeated listenings but that didn't strike me as an acoustic folk song with electonic samples. is that song typical of the album? or just the emphasis track which makes you buy the record but doesn't sound like anything else on the album? >Also got a hold of a new one by Moxy Fruvous called WOOD. Really good David >Byrne influenced-noise-funk-folk kinda stuff. Probably good for somebody who >likes Talking Heads, The English Beat or something like that. no offense but that's the strangest description of moxy fruvous i've ever read! where do you hear the david byrne influence? fruvous is more of a busking comedy troupe turned pop group. i've never really cared for their albums but have enjoyed the live sets (though, frankly, even they have grown tiring over time). >And I just now managed to get the new album from europe's Equation, who's >last record was a favorite of mine. This has got to be my favorite new group. >Very folkish, kind of a 21st century Fairport Convention. The singer's name >is Kathryn Roberts. sounds interesting -- thanks for the tip! woj n.p. cowboy junkies -- toad's place, 28 feb 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:40:32 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: mbv when we last left our heroes, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com exclaimed: >I haven't listened to a ton of the mary chain, but i did go through a pretty >intense MBV stage. I would say their sound was completely unconventional. partly unconventional. mbv's latter phase was informed significantly by the jesus & mary chain and harkens to other noisy things such as the early factory records repetoire. don't forget mbv's early phase which was rather sweet and catchy but plain pop. it wasn't until _isn't anything_ was released that the genius of _loveless_ started to be glimpsed. like, say, ministry, mbv went through a pretty conventional phase. >Their guitar sound was completely out of this world. Who knows how they made >half of those sounds. drug use and tremelo. not necessarily in that order. >MBV would sound unique and original no matter who produced them. well, they produced themselves for the most part. if they hadn't, i think a lot of their clouded vision would have been lost. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: mbv > >MBV would sound unique and original no matter who produced them. > > well, they produced themselves for the most part. if they hadn't, i think a > lot of their clouded vision would have been lost. But, on the positive side, it might have cost less than a million pounds to make the album! And the producer could make get them off drugs long enough to do a follow up, instead of another million pounds of unmixed jungle tracks. :) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:12:49 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: mbv >> >MBV would sound unique and original no matter who produced them. >> >> well, they produced themselves for the most part. if they hadn't, i think a >> lot of their clouded vision would have been lost. > >But, on the positive side, it might have cost less than a million pounds >to make the album! hey, man, the quality of the album is directly proportional to the quality of the drugs! ;) >And the producer could make get them off drugs long enough to do a >follow up, instead of another million pounds of unmixed jungle tracks. no shit. +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:45:23 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: Re: eli whitney folk festival when we last left our heroes, meredith exclaimed: >Friday evening we staged a song-swap at the Eli Whitney Barn (yes, it >really was his barn), featuring local guitarist Robert Messore, a somewhat >legendary songwriter named Bob Franke, and personal faves Kris Delmhorst >and Jennifer Kimball. i skipped the saturday performances to see rebecca timmons down in nyc, but i thought i'd comment on meredith's comments about the friday night song swap. >Robert led it off with a short set of his >instrumental guitar material -- he's a noodler, and does some really flashy >stuff. he's a noodler but also very accomplished. as for the flashy stuff, the interesting thing is that he doesn't appear flashy in doing so. very subdued fingerwork which makes it all the more remarkable -- i'm no guitarist, but i've seen enough people play to know where to expect fingers on the playing hand should be with respect to the sound you hear. with robert, there was no correspondence between fingers and sound. intriguing and disconcerting. >Anyway, Kris Delmhorst followed, and did a nice short set of songs, some of >which were inspired by the "very barn-y" setting we were in. the first time i saw kris i really enjoyed her set but i've become less interested in her with each performance. not sure why. maybe the earnest singer/songwriter factor is finally trumping the cuteness factor. ;) in any event, she was fine on friday night but didn't really engage me. >Then Jennifer Kimball did a set, accompanied by the ubiquitous Marc Shulman >on spastic electric guitar. (He always plays like he's getting constant electric shocks from the thing.) well, if he ever injures himself playing guitar, he can always be rick moranis' body-double. >woj was a lot more blown away than I was, but I thought she wasn't >disappointing. of all of friday's performers, i was looking forward to jennifer the most since i really liked her solo album _veering from the waves_. i think the most attractive element of the album is that it has the right amount of additional instrumentation to keep it from getting boring without being too muddled -- imho, important issues for singer/songwriters. oh yeah, the lyrics are pretty good too! so, i was really pleased by her performance. "blown away" might be too strong a word, but i admit to post-show gushing. there's just something about her and her work which clicks with me. i can't explain it. >For "Veering From The Wave" she asked Kris up to sing harmony with her, and >it was a deliciously Story-like moment. what i find most remarkable about jennifer kimball is how far she's come since the story. the story seemed to me to be pretty much jonatha brooke's deal and, near as i could tell, jennifer just provided harmonies and such. i always suspected she was capable of much more and i was thrilled when she delivered the goods on _veering from the waves_. i don't know if she was always a songwriter and musician suppressing that side of herself during the story years or not. if she's picked up everything since going solo, kudos to her. if not, boos and hisses to jonatha for taking the limelight in the story. in any event, i much prefer jennifer's down-to-earth, bespectacled goofiness to jonatha's primadonna. >I'll admit I spent Bob Franke's set out front chatting with some Folk >Alliance people -- I knew I wasn't going to be all that interested in his >old-time folkie stylings, and what I could hear confirmed it. never having heard of him before, i didn't know what to expect. when introduced as a "songwriter's songwriter", i got the feeling that i would either be intensely disappointed or pleasantly surprised. tuned out to be mostly the latter. he's not as "old-time" as meredith implies, although he did take the stage with a weathered and beat-up dobro (which he never touched again the rest of the night). most of his guitarwork was pretty straight-forward and adequate. his songs are his strength -- honest and heart-felt without being cloying or too earnest. what i found most interesting was his totally unassuming appearance and his voice -- very gentle and mannered. very soothing. woj n.p. marianne nowottny -- afraid of me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:03:02 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Poor Clares concert update The Poor Clares concert is moving from the Cleveland Park Club to the John Eaton School. Here are the details. (I'm organizing this as a volunteer; proceeds go to the band.) - --Bill n.p. Kirsty MacColl, Tropical Brainstorm The Poor Clares will be performing at the John Eaton School on Thursday, September 28th at 7pm. The Poor Clares are one of the most gifted American Celtic groups, and while their songs are strongly Irish in nature, there's often a dash of jazz and folk in their music. Dirty Linen Magazine called The Poor Clares "one of America's best Irish groups." Ceili Newsletter said "The Poor Clares are the "premier Irish folk band of New Orleans, one of the finest folk bands in the country." You can read more about The Poor Clares at www.poorclares.com. Tickets are $20 for general admission; $5 for children 12 and under. Reservations are suggested, but not required. For reservations or more information, call 202-986-9275 or send an email to me at billonline@adlerbooks.com. The John Eaton School is at 34th and Lowell Streets, NW. Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:51:30 -0500 From: tenthvictim@mindspring.com Subject: Saying Hello I just joined the list and wanted to say hello. I have enjoyed the discussion of aesthetics. You guys set me off on an internal monologue in which I have been evaluating what makes something a lasting work of art. Without going into great detail, I think art is perceived by each generation in a new way. What was beautiful in the past and what is beautiful now may not be viewed the same in the future. I am also writing to brag about walking into my local used book and records store on Saturday, casually looking under 'R' and finding The Keep. The same day I drove to Dallas and found a copy of Warpaint in a funky little record (CD?) store. It's been a Happy Rhodes-intense weekend. These CDs are cut-outs. I am hoping Aural Gratification got the profit on these and the store that sold them took the tax write-off. (P.S., I also loaded up on Bedhead, a good defunct, local band.) Thanks to the people who posted narratives of the Ectofest and photos of the day. Made me feel as if I had been there. Minus the music, of course. Maybe next year I will be in one of the photos. Short of Project Lo getting to DFW, I don't see how else I will be able to make sure Happy Rhodes is not using a vocoder and digital delay to get those baritone sounds. The mountain may have to go to Connecticut. (P.S., Judee Sill did use faster tape speeds in the 70s to get bass and baritone sounds. Can you imagine what pain must be involved in synchronizing those tones with other tracks running at the usual speed?) I just heard the tail end of "Shenandoah" by Jane Siberry on KERA. Mere days ago I read some article where the writer wrote, in effect, anyone who sings "Shenandoah" should be killed. I didn't realize the song aroused such passion in folks. It is certainly easy to play on a harmonica. (P.S., The DJ played several Siberry cuts and he said four people had called to ask who it was and three had called to ask who it was and say they hated it.) Enough blather. Bye, Lyle n.p. Mark Dwane, The Monuments of Mars. The first time I saw n.p. whatever, I thought, "Well who cares?" But then I realized that's the point of a board like this. You get to nose around in other people's lives, and let them nose around in yours. I care what you guys are listening to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:10:00 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: html reminder folks, just a reminder that all smoe.org mailing lists will automatically bounce any html-formatted posts to the list-manager (in ecto's case -- me) for approval. i don't mind stripping out the html and sending them through but i'm not always around to take care of these things immediately. in which case, you posts will languish in my mailbox till i get to it, causing delays in your messages getting to the list. so, if you have an html-enabled mailer (outlook express, netscape communicator, eudora 4 and up, etc.), please check your options and make sure your posts to ecto are being sent as plain ascii text. if you don't know how to do that, there are some instructions at . in outlook express (which is not on said webpage), i think there's a global option in tools|options and a per-address setting in the address book. thanks, woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Clysdale Subject: Concert Review - Alicide & Andrea Florian So, I went to a very ecto-ish show at Rasputin's in Ottawa last night, and figured I'd write about it a little, since the list finally seems to be talking about music again. (yay!!! =) ). So, the opening act was Alicide, who have got to be one of Ottawa's best bands to have never actually happened. It's a two-girl duet who do songs with absolutely gorgeous harmonies, in a folk-pop vein. Given the kind of stuff they do, there are obvious Indigo Girls comparisons, but it's more as if the Indigo Girls were performing Dar Williams and Ani DiFranco songs, complete with harmonies and stuff. Very very pretty. Unfortunately, they wrote a pile of original material, did one live show early this summer, and then half of the duet moved to Montreal. Anyways, Andrea Florian happened to know them, and convinced Leslie to come back to Ottawa and had them do the opening show. You probably don't care, since they don't really exist any more and don't have any recordings. :) I went to see Alicide, but I very much enjoyed Andrea Florian's set also. It took me a few songs to get into, since her stuff was very different from Alicide - while Alicide is incredibly full of energy, Andrea Florian's set was almost languidly laid back and yet still very there. I was trying all through the show to come up with comparisons, and I couldn't come up with any good ones. It's acoustic stripped down chick guitar pop, but she has quite a strong voice, in contrast to the thinner voices that tend to predominate the chick guitar pop. At times, there were definite overtones in her voice and singing styles of jazzy blues. It's interesting in that it didn't really sound original in any way whatsoever, but I couldn't point at anything that it really resembled. Incidentally, she's starting a five-week Australian tour in early October, and I do recommend her to the down under contingent on the list if you're free and if the description sounds interesting. She has a web page at www.andreaflorian.com, but I don't know if it has any samples - I haven't poked around much. ian. n.p. Andrea Florian - Truths ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:59:45 -0400 From: "Loretta Pontillo" Subject: sting in central park This isn't very ecto, but I thought I'd tell you guys about it. I don't know if any of you who aren't in NYC heard about this concert, the Sting concert in Central Park, but my roommate was doing a stint with Best Buy so I got to go (and I brought along 5 of my closest friends ~_^). It was really very good. I like a lot of the older sting stuff -- Dream of the Blue Turtles, Ten Sumners Tales. It's easy to forget, considering how much of a media whore he's become, what a really amazing muscian/performer he is. Not to mention how good his arms looked on the jumbo-tron. Yum! :) There is something so inexplicably sexy about a good rock star. ::sigh:: I was really overwhelmed by the show, though. He did mostly older stuff, only a few new songs (thank heaven). The best part was the encores. Isn't that always the way? The first encore, he came out and did "If I ever lose my faith" (not my favorite song) and then (come on, take a guess. Stop reading and guess what he played. Yep, you're right!) "Every step you take". But people kept applauding so he came out for a second encore, which I'm sure was the plan all along. It was great, though. He came out alone and played "Message in a Bottle," just him and his guitar and that weird riff. It was really affecting, because of the message of the song and the fact that he was all alone singing it, and we were all singing along. (I'm sure I could phrase it better than that, but I'm too tired to try.) He sang, "I hope that someone gets my," and then paused while the audience repeated, "I hope that someone gets my..." It was really amazing. While he was playing the rest of the band snuck back on, and then they played Fragile, which just fit in the mood. I really think that everyone in the audience was really affected by it. We all left in -- I won't say silence, because it was loud, but it wasn't the noise of a big post-concert crowd. It was a lot more subdued and thoughtful than you'd think. pretty much the only downside -- and this is minor -- was how much of a Best Buy infomercial the whole thing was. There were HERDS of these Best Buy boxes wandering around. You know what I mean? Those yellow and blue box-things with people inside? Best Buy was sponsoring the show and there were all these boxes running around doing cartwheels and dancing and stuff, I guess to make sure no one forgot who was footing the bill for this free concert. Anyway, that was a minor inconvenience. Sort of funny, really. My sister and I were saying how the boxes were going to give us nightmares. But my sister and I are very complain-y. Especially when we're together, we're even more so. We can't help it, we're smart asses. Every time they introduced an act (Sting or one of the two intro acts), the VP of Best Buy, Tim something, would come out to introduce the act. And Charlotte (my sis) and I would shout, "YEAH TIM!!! WHOOO! WE LOVE YOU TIM!!!!" Just because we're such smart asses. I turned to my sister at one point during the show and said, "You know what we are? We're the grumpy-old-men-in-the-balcony from The Muppet Show." I'm sure this is more than you really needed to know. Loretta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:34:45 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: sting in central park also sprach Loretta Pontillo (lpontillo@xceed.com): >Every time they introduced an act >(Sting or one of the two intro acts), the VP of Best Buy, Tim something, >would come out to introduce the act. And Charlotte (my sis) and I would >shout, "YEAH TIM!!! WHOOO! WE LOVE YOU TIM!!!!" Just because we're such >smart asses. I turned to my sister at one point during the show and said, >"You know what we are? We're the grumpy-old-men-in-the-balcony from The >Muppet Show." why do we always come here? i'll guess we'll never know it is a kind of torture to have to watch this show! +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:57:40 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: The Green World Hi all, Chuck said: > Is anyone else in love with Dar Williams' new CD? Yep, I just got it last week. > ..on the first listen, I was > struck by how > "mainstream alternarock" the production was. I totally agree. I only have "End of the Summer" so I can't compare it to anything else, but "..summer" is more raw. I think Dar's voice has gotten better too. I don't mean to say that her voice wasn't good before, but there were sometimes/parts where it kinda grated on me. I didn't find that on "The Green World" at all. The songs are a little more "pop"-y (to my ears anyway) but I like it very much. > No matter -- everyone should > DEFINITELY get this CD right now! I'm so excited to see her play > live here > in New Haven on Tuesday! Yes, go get the CD. She will be in my hometown (Minneapolis) October 1 and I am really looking forward to seeing/hearing her! I've never seen her live. ~Amy Women In Music http://www.ecalos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:10:12 -0400 From: the real dick cheney Subject: googoosh in the news from banning vickie from napster to filling stadiums...not bad! ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:15:12 GMT From: "Nick Nadel" Subject: End of Summer Wrap-up/Fall preview Hi everyone! Haven't written in awhiel so here's some plugs and questions: New Stuff: Ida, Will you Find me: This my favorite album of the year. You all would love it. Kinda reminds me of Lori Carson mixed with Damon and Naomi. Lovely, wonderful melodies. Belle and Sebastian, Fold Your Hands Child: Not their best, (that would be If Your Feeling Sinister) but definitely great and a worthy addition to their impressive disography. Anyone who's not into this band owes it to themselves to check it out. This is what pop music is all about. Nick Drake, Beatles, Smiths, it's all there. Moby, Play and Moby Songs- One is acclaimed album, one is new best of. Both are essiential. Apples in Stereo, Discovery of a...: Great 60's flavored pop, with a little Zep thrown in for good measure. How is: The new Dar Williams? Medieval Baebes? Miranda Sex Garden? Joan Osborne? Concerts: Natalie Merchant in New Jersey, Dido in NYC, The Cure in New Jersey, Katell Kenieg in NYC Can't wait for: New Bjork, Radiohead, Paul Simon Take Care - -Nick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:50:14 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: equation RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >And I just now managed to get the new album from europe's Equation, who's >last record was a favorite of mine. This has got to be my favorite new group. >Very folkish, kind of a 21st century Fairport Convention. The singer's name >is Kathryn Roberts. Her voice is really different, it's simultaneously >delicate and powerful, I haven't heard anything like it. Two brothers in the >band write all the songs. Wonderful group. Just wanted to say that this is definitely a Your Mileage May Vary group, as I got a copy of their first album from a friend and found it so bland as to be unplayable. It reminded me of two other groups I dislike: The Corrs and Grey Eye Glances. So for those of you who like those latter two groups you might want to check them out, but for those like me who find this is the kind of thing that makes them race to the "stop" button on their disc players, well, it's a must to avoid. Also, some people may remember that Kathryn Roberts did a duo recording with Kate Rusby. I like Kate Rusby but didn't like the duets much, either. Along that line I far prefer Anita Best & Pamela Morgan's _The Colour of Amber_ or Silly Sisters. Taste is a weird thing. - --Neile P.S. The final listing of my discs for sale is at http://www.sff.net/people/neile/discsale.htp. Shortly the few remaining discs will disappear into used disc stores in Seattle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:15:35 -0400 From: meredith Subject: random Hi! In case you all can't tell, woj is reading ecto again. Anyone wanna give him a job? ;> A friend at work went into NYC on Saturday and is convinced that while he was walking down a street in Soho, Bjork rode past him on a hot-pink bicycle, which apparently perfectly matched her minidress and shoes. (I asked him if he thought she was heading for a motorcrash, but he didn't get it.) Isn't _Dancer In The Dark_ going to be premiering in NY sometime soon? God, but I can't wait to see that movie... Off to see Mump & Smoot, the Canadian Clowns Of Horror, back in New Haven for a third time (yay!)... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:32:07 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Amy Fairchild fans? Is anyone on this list a fan of Amy Fairchild? I heard you guys mention her set at ECTOFEST so I decided to check her out. I just got her new EP in the mail today (autographed and all--she is so cool hehe), it is INCREDIBLE! Her songs are smart and edgy, very very cool stuff here! ~eric http://www.amyfairchild.com "I need you because you let me breathe Well you've taken me away But never take me lightly Or I could never stay" ~Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:50:10 -0700 From: Phil Hudson Subject: Al Gore "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb And five years after the rapid proliferation of electric lighting, Gore would claim he had invented the bulb. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:35:00 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: BB invasion (was Re: Sting in Central Park) Hello, Loretta et.al.: > I don't know if any of you who aren't in NYC heard about this concert, the > Sting concert in Central Park, but my roommate was doing a stint with Best > Buy so I got to go (and I brought along 5 of my closest friends ~_^)... [Then the horror show kicks in...] > pretty much the only downside -- and this is minor -- was how much of a Best > Buy infomercial the whole thing was. There were HERDS of these Best Buy > boxes wandering around. You know what I mean? Those yellow and blue > box-things with people inside? Best Buy was sponsoring the show and there > were all these boxes running around doing cartwheels and dancing and stuff, > I guess to make sure no one forgot who was footing the bill for this free > concert. It's much more than that, fellow Ectofolk. Best Buy is actually invading the New York metropolitan area. Two stores are set to open up on Long Island alone: one will open by month's end in the Westbury/Carle Place commercial corridor (along Old Country Road - and in this case, next door to an OfficeMax), and the other opens near me in East Setauket (Suffolk County, between a Target and a Home Depot, with a Stop&Shop market supposedly coming in across the side street). Curiously, the _Newsday_critic assigned to cover the concert never mentioned Best Buy (or any of the popstar's other corporate sponsors) by name. Wonder why... Philip David (who prefers funky Hicksville stores that sell Bollywood movies and Bhangra, so long as we're talking B's) 9/18/2000 - -- http://dianewolkstein.com/ http://members.dencity.com/SakuraNation/ - -- "What is patriotism but the love of the good things we ate in childhood?" - -- Lin Yutang. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:55:37 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Neile's August discs Basque Basque Basque Radiate When I downloaded a bunch of their tracks from mp3.com I kind of liked them but wasn't particularly enthralled despite Craig and a couple of other people's enthusiastic recommendations. But they sent their discs in to the Ectophiles' Guide for review and I always listen to discs that come in for review, and damn, but these caught me and I had to send away for my own copies. And since then they've dominated our disc players. Gorgeous music, which is great as both background music and intense listening. Deaf School Liverpool 2nd Coming We have loved Deaf School for years now but their strange sarcastic pop music has never been avialable on cd to our knowledge, until now. I found this on when I was browsing a local store that has a big import selection. And I'm so happy! This is a live disc done as a kind of reunion, but it has a lot from the double album of theirs we have on vinyl, _2nd Honeymoon/Don't Stop The World_ and this sounds good. Almost as good as a release of the double album. They're kind of like 10cc in their sense of humour and ability to craft a funny pop song out of their humour. The Galerkin Method (self-titled ep) A really wonderful, strange eclectic mix of worldish/rock/experimental sounds that comes out feeling whole and delightful. This is a shortish ep CDR that came in for review for The Ectophiles' Guide and once I heard it I knew I needed to get a copy for myself. Hard to describe what it sounds like--Land of the Blind with dulcimer? Shai nO Shai with more of an early Danielle Dax sensibility? I've been playing this to death. Jane Siberry Hush First I have to confess that I am really really tired of the kind of music that Jane is doing right now. For someone who changed styles between each album, it feels to me like she has been doing the jazzy rock torch style forever now. I've loved all her albums up to and including Maria, but the only reason I bought this disc was to support her for old times sake. [I even put my copies of the _tree lips child_ set and _teenager_ up for sale because I never listen to them and am never likely to.] However, this does have a couple of tracks which I actively enjoy. Faint praise from someone who has adored her work since I first heard _No Borders Here_ in the early '80s, but that's how it goes. Denny, Sandy No More Sad Refrains Already commented on this one to the list. I really do highly recommend it to those unfamiliar with Sandy's music and to those who want it for the rarities.. And two I'd missed that I got from mp3.com last spring after listening to their samples there excessively: Mailorder Bitch, _186k_ A discovery through mp3.com, their only disc is a d.a.m. from there. Not as harsh-sounding as you might think from their name, I'd say this is great energetic, harmonic rock. The vocals are mostly pretty baby-voiced, but not in an offensive or over-the-top way (meaning they're not Cranes or Altered Images though I like both of those bands a lot). I really like this collection--not only does it show promise, but if you count the ability to write catchy tunes as a sign of maturity, this ep shows the band has already arrived somewhere interesting. Some of the later tracks are more triphoppy. Sacred Raisin Cakes, _What You Want_ A mix of folkie-sounding electronic stuff with more electronic pop. The vocalist has a nice touch and makes the songs come alive. "Neurotica" is the first one that made me really stand up and pay attention to them in the midst of a bunch of mp3 downloads, but all of the songs have hooks and great moments. This is another time when the only music available from a band is a d.a.m. from mp3. This is 8 strong tracks, though "Cold Comfort" may tend a little more towards plain folk than I usually like, on repeated listens I got quite fond of it. And after many, many listens I still love "Neurotica". - --Neile n.p. Kathryn Williams, _Little Black Numbers_ (first listen--thanks Geoff--but I really like it so far--soft, folky pop n.r. David Almond, _Kit's Wilderness_ (brilliant stuff, this and _Skellig_, highly recommended for fans of Alan Garner and William Mayne). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:13:56 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Mary Lydia Ryan News, including that concert I mentioned earlier w/ Veda For those interested. - --Neile >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:29:25 -0700 >From: "Mary Lydia Ryan" >To: "Neile Graham" >Subject: Tractor Tavern & House Concerts >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Hi Neile: > >Upcoming show dates (see below for full details): > >Thu, Oct 5 - Seattle (Tractor Tavern w/ Veda Hille, others) >Thu, Oct 19 - Portland (Mount Tabor Theater & Pub) >Sat, Oct 21 - Portland (Saturday Market) > >Want to Host a Mary Lydia Ryan House Concert? See below... > >*********************************************************** >Thurs, Oct. 5th, 8:00 p.m. >The Tractor Tavern, 21+ >5213 Ballard Ave. NW >Ballard, WA / 206.789.3599 >GoGirlsMusic Fest 2000 >Tickets $8 in advance / $10 at the door >purchase advance tix at: http://www.marylydiaryan.com > >A great lineup with Veda Hille, of Vancouver, BC, Swamp Mama Johnson, and >Quistaday, of Seattle. This is one of ten shows that is occuring around the >country as part of the GoGirls Music Fest 2000 >(http://www.gogirlsmusic.com). All proceeds will go to Northwest Harvest. > >* Please note: This announcement reflects changes in the line up for this >show since my previous email sent in August. > >************************************************************ >Thurs, Oct. 19th, 9:00 p.m. >Mount Tabor Theater & Pub, 21+ >4811 SE Hawthorne Blvd. >Portland, OR / 503.238.1646 >GoGirlsMusic Fest 2000 >Tickets $8 in advance / $10 at the door >purchase at: http://www.gogirlsmusic.com/gogirlsfest/portland.htm >************************************************************ >Sat, Oct. 21st, 2:00 p.m. >Portland Saturday Market, All Ages >108 West Burnside >Portland, OR / 503.222.6072 >No Charge >************************************************************ > >Mary Lydia Ryan House Concert Tour: >In an effort to expand my reach and to meet as many of you as I can, I have >decided to make "House Concerts" an integral part of my touring. The >intimacy of the setting is more meaningful to me, and more appropriate for >my music. > >I am compiling a database of individuals interested in hosting a House >Concert. If you would like to be added to that database, click the link >below. Thanks for your help and support, and I look forward to seeing you >while I am on the Road! Go here: > >http://www.marylydiaryan.com/newsite/mlrhouse.tpl > >- Mary Lydia Ryan >http://www.marylydiaryan.com > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:21:11 -0400 From: dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Al Gore Phil Hudson writes: > "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" > ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb > > And five years after the rapid proliferation of electric lighting, Gore > would claim he had invented the bulb. I apologize for continuing this ridiculous thread, but I'm afraid this really does get my hackles up... You're obviously referring to Al Gore's "creating the Internet" quote, and you're wildly off base. Al Gore started championing the internet and a national information infrastructure in the mid 80s--how many of you (outside the ecto old timers--you know who you are) had even heard of the internet in 1985? Al Gore was in fact *way* in front of the curve on the internet, and was probably the first national politician to realize its importance. There's a good chance that the Internet _would_not_exist_ in its current form without the legislation Gore sponsored and the work he did popularizing the idea of an *open* national (and international) network. Yes, saying he created the internet was an exaggeration, and he has apologized for it repeatedly, but there is *NO WAY* he deserves the ridicule that the RNC and the ignorant have heaped on him for that quote. Al Gore did do a lot to create the internet and he deserves some credit for his real contributions. This will, I hope, be the last I say about this on ecto--I'll try to keep my followups off the list. np: Shostakovich symphony no. 7, Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra nr: Charles Ferguson, "High St@kes, No Prisoners", Diffie and Landau, "Privacy on the Line: the Politics of Wiretapping and Encryption", and re-reading Melissa Scott's "The Shapes of their Hearts" - -dan (who has been using the internet since before it existed) - -- Dan Riley dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University "History teaches us that days like this are best spent in bed" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #275 **************************