From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #270 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, September 15 2000 Volume 06 : Number 270 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: james [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: james [WretchAwry ] Re: Chuck's "shameless self-promotion" [Neile Graham ] Garmarna news [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Phila. Fringe Fest: Gray Code, Denman Maroney Sept 15,16 [Joseph Zitt ] Quote on Mary Lydia Ryan [Ian Clysdale ] Re: Guide notification list & shameless dc shilling [Damon ] kid-friendly ecto [dmw ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #267 (Mediaeval Baebes) ["Rosana L. de Oliveira" ] Re: james [Neal Copperman ] Re: kid-friendly ecto [Neal Copperman ] Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation [Bill Adler ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #267 (Mediaeval Baebes) [Neal Copperman ] Re: my musician can beat up your musician [american damon ] Re: david gray ["phclark" ] Re: my musician can beat up your musician [Libby ] Building the Colossus [RocketsTail@aol.com] Kid stuff ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] ectofest photos up [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:44:38 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation In a message dated 9/13/00 10:14:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << new resurgance in punk, or rap, or hip hip, or garth brooks, or latin music. >> Egad! I would never try to convinve you The Smiths were reponsible for such things! But at any rate, I got the new David Gray album, WHITE LADDER, and man it's great. One of the best blendings of acoustic folk with electronic samples. Really subtle, emotionally charged melodies. I think anyone who likes Beth Orton would enjoy this. Also got a hold of a new one by Moxy Fruvous called WOOD. Really good David Byrne influenced-noise-funk-folk kinda stuff. Probably good for somebody who likes Talking Heads, The English Beat or something like that. And I just now managed to get the new album from europe's Equation, who's last record was a favorite of mine. This has got to be my favorite new group. Very folkish, kind of a 21st century Fairport Convention. The singer's name is Kathryn Roberts. Her voice is really different, it's simultaneously delicate and powerful, I haven't heard anything like it. Two brothers in the band write all the songs. Wonderful group. Joe The Smiths good Madonna bad http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:47:26 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: james In a message dated 9/13/00 10:14:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << and yet they are better. booth writes better, and the band is more diverse musically, and he yodels! >> Nah, James is a good band. I heard their single "She's a Star" a couple times. But not better than The Smiths. Joe The Smiths good Madonna bad http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:45:01 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: james At 08:47 AM 9/14/2000 -0400, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: >Joe >The Smiths good >Madonna bad It looks like this is going to be in your permanent sig line. If no one else is going to say it, I will. I find this extremely offensive. Like some others here, I like Madonna and though I can handle your decision to keep a closed mind about her (as in not even considering the things people like about her and respecting *our* decisions), I think it's rude of you to continue the debate in a sig line. Everyone knows how you feel, so what do you think you're accomplishing with this? V ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:05:27 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Chuck's "shameless self-promotion" I just went over and had a quick listen. Yes, some people here will definitely like Chuck's music. Check it out. - --Neile At 1:13 AM -0400 9/14/00, Hotel America wrote: >Yes, the phrase is overused around these parts...nevertheless, I recently >put up an artist page at www.mp3.com/chuckcolman and every time someone >downloads one of my mp3s, they PAY me!!! I play piano and sing and I think >some people on the list might like my stuff...so I'd appreciate it if some >of you dropped by the site as a favor to a fellow ectophile. Thanks a >bunch! > --Chuck - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:09:30 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Garmarna news Hi.. Garmarna are doing a new album..New producer and a version of a song by Hildegard von Bingen. Good news isnt it? Anna Maria np-Madonna-justify my love(ace song!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:45:08 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Phila. Fringe Fest: Gray Code, Denman Maroney Sept 15,16 Not yr usual ecto sounds, but blatant self-promotion anyway: my ensemble Gray Code will be playing the Philadelphia Fringe Fest this weekend. Check out http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ for great gobs of our recordings. Here's the official blurbage: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Gray Code and Denman Maroney Appearing in the Philadelphia Fringe Festival Friday, September 15, 7:00pm Saturday, September 16, 9:30pm at Old First Reform 153 N. 4th Street $10 Composer/pianist Denman Maroney is known for his unique "hyperpiano" style, which involves exciting the strings directly with various objects while working the keyboard; his polytemporal constructions, which involve articulating several pulses at once; and his long and fruitful association with bassist Mark Dresser, with whom he currently tours in a trio with flutist Matthias Ziegler. Gray Code is an ensemble specializing in music that involves improvisation and mindfulness practices. Their repertory includes newly composed musical works, performance poetry, chant from various early traditions, and group improvisations. Techniques include many extended uses of the voice as well as electro-acoustic sounds, and elements of humor and surprise. The group features Tom Bickley (recorder and other wind instruments), Matthew Ross Davis (voice, trumpet, percussion), Brian Fending (vibraphone and other percussion), Jonathan Matis (guitar), and Joseph Zitt (voice, bass guitar, melodica). In addition to the instrumental forces mentioned, all members of the group use voices and an assortment of electronic devices. The performance will feature compositions that combine predetermined structures and group improvising in various ways, as well as totally spontaneous compositions featuring the whole ensemble. For more information please contact Jonathan Matis j_matis@yahoo.com 202 296-5101 ### Metatron Press is proud to announce the release of six recordings in a new series. CDs will be available at the performance, or directly from Metatron Press: * "Oh Come Ye Dispassionate" electronic music by Joseph Zitt: "A resonant rosary of nonmetric pulses and uncommon harmonies." Nine frequencies of sine tones, no pair of which have the same difference as any other pair, arranged according to gray code. (3" CD, Duration: 17:04) * "Death Slug 2000", guitar duos by Tyondai Braxton and Jonathan Matis * A self-titled release by Gusty Winds May Exist, a shakuhachi/recorder duo featuring Nancy Beckman and Gray Code member Tom Bickley * "Animals: electronikazoomusique", a collection of electronic works and mixes by Gray Code member Matthew Ross Davis. * "Even the Widest Aardvark Outdreams the Gnu" by Zitt/Matis featuring vocalist Joe Zitt and guitarist Jonathan Matis * "(voices)" by Comma, the vocal trio featuring Gray Code members Tom Bickley, Matthew Ross Davis, and Joseph Zitt - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:47:43 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: Chuck's "shameless self-promotion" I second that! I am listening to Chuck's music right now and I like it very much! ~Amy Women In Music http://www.ecalos.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Neile > Graham > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:05 AM > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Chuck's "shameless self-promotion" > > > > I just went over and had a quick listen. Yes, some people here will > definitely like Chuck's music. Check it out. > > --Neile > > At 1:13 AM -0400 9/14/00, Hotel America wrote: > >Yes, the phrase is overused around these parts...nevertheless, I recently > >put up an artist page at www.mp3.com/chuckcolman and every time someone > >downloads one of my mp3s, they PAY me!!! I play piano and sing > and I think > >some people on the list might like my stuff...so I'd appreciate > it if some > >of you dropped by the site as a favor to a fellow ectophile. Thanks a > >bunch! > > --Chuck > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net > Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines > The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Clysdale Subject: Quote on Mary Lydia Ryan I was surfing the radio station lists on mp3.com, and came across this description of Mary Lydia Ryan's "Devil With Wings" that I just thought was so perfect that I had to forward it. "Kate Bush and Tori Amos got married (in France, where it's legal) and had a baby who grew up and lived in a small town in Montana until the survivalists got too scary, at which point she decided to go back to France where she began her music career." - http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/46/decaffeinated_sage.html np. Kathryn Cowles, stuff streaming from mp3.com (btw, this is really yummy stuff too. go and listen to it after you listen to chuck's music.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:54:06 -0700 From: Damon Subject: Re: Guide notification list & shameless dc shilling > getting the list certainly doesn't bug me, but the guide notifications > don't match the filter that pipes incoming ecto mail to its own folder. > i've never taken a serious look at the headers and the filter script to > see why. i can though, next time an update comes in, if it might be > useful to other folks. any logical filters certainly should get it. unless you're doing something like filtering on the To: line, as the actual ecto list address won't show up there. i'd recommend filtering based on Sender:, as majordomo rewrites that and it will always indicate a message distributed by the ecto list. - -damon Damon Harper _/\_ "Verbosity is the refuge of damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ those who have nothing original \ / to say." http://jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| - Weldon, Reasonable Doubts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:58:56 +0300 From: Juha Sorva Subject: Re: Garmarna news Hi, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, anna maria [ISO-8859-1] stjärnell wrote: > Garmarna are doing a new album..New producer and a > version of a song by Hildegard von Bingen. Good news > isnt it? Good news indeed. I've heard that it's not going to be just one Bingen song (and Rickard Westman has indeed referred to it as "the Bingen album"). Supposedly, most (all?) of the songs are modernized remakes of Hildegard von Bingen's stuff. This is what I've been hoping they'd do ever since first hearing "Euchari" on the latest album, and reading about the Bingen church tour thingy they did in Sweden a couple years back. Whee! Juha n.p. _We're All Frankies_ (a Suicide tribute album) P.S. No time to write more now, but I'll just take a moment to say that I, too, had an excellent time at Ectofest, and it was great meeting some of you people there. Even with Kristeen Young cancelling (darn!) and thunder clapping along with the audience, it was a totally cool. Thanks again to the people involved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: kid-friendly ecto On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 02:07:26PM -0700, Neile Graham wrote: > > > Any other ectophilic kids albums? ida, _you are my flower_ only available at shows, i think. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:32:47 -0400 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #267 (Mediaeval Baebes) At 06:01 PM 09/13/2000 -0700, Neil K. Guy wrote: Hi, >><< Mediaeval Baebes >> >> >>Really? You mean Katherine's (is that her name?) pre-Miranda Sex Garden >>group? Yeah, that is a great and EXTREMELY original group. Glad to see >>someone else appreciates their work! > > Katharine Blake founded the Baebes many years after MSG. Both are >still going concerns, though MSG has gone on pretty long breaks from >time to time. It's very interesting to note how different the two groups sound, considering that only later I learned of the Miranda Sex Garden connection. I personally like the Mediaeval Baebes much more. I just got two of their albums in my last trip and had a pleasant surprise when I started listening to them, since I bought them without knowing anything about them (yeah, this usually happens to me :)). Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna - ---- n.p. Mediaeval Baebes - Undrentide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:29:12 -0400 From: american damon Subject: Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/13/00 10:14:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << new resurgance in > punk, or rap, or hip hip, or garth brooks, > or latin music. >> > > Egad! I would never try to convinve you The Smiths were reponsible for such > things! nyah nyah. > But at any rate, I got the new David Gray album, WHITE LADDER, and man it's > great. One of the best blendings of acoustic folk with electronic samples. > Really subtle, emotionally charged melodies. I think anyone who likes Beth > Orton would enjoy this. i like david gray a lot. i think he's a really good lyricist and his vocals are very expressive. right now i'm listening to a century ends. i also have sell sell sell and, umm, flesh. has he done anything else besides white ladder? > Also got a hold of a new one by Moxy Fruvous called WOOD. Really good David > Byrne influenced-noise-funk-folk kinda stuff. Probably good for somebody who > likes Talking Heads, The English Beat or something like that. > > And I just now managed to get the new album from europe's Equation, who's > last record was a favorite of mine. This has got to be my favorite new group. > Very folkish, kind of a 21st century Fairport Convention. The singer's name > is Kathryn Roberts. Her voice is really different, it's simultaneously > delicate and powerful, I haven't heard anything like it. Two brothers in the > band write all the songs. Wonderful group. > > Joe > The Smiths good > Madonna bad > http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan > > "This is a risky anti-candle scheme!" > ~Al Gore if he'd been there for the invention of the light bulb - -- People say men are genetically engineered to prefer polygamy, but you don't see that many women upset enough when their husbands leave them to shoot everybody in sight. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:05:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: james On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, WretchAwry wrote: > At 08:47 AM 9/14/2000 -0400, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > > >Joe > >The Smiths good > >Madonna bad > > It looks like this is going to be in your permanent sig line. > If no one else is going to say it, I will. I find this extremely > offensive. Gee, and I thought it was just kind of an amusing joke. (Course, I only laughed on the first message.) neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:07:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: kid-friendly ecto On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, dmw wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 02:07:26PM -0700, Neile Graham wrote: > > > > > Any other ectophilic kids albums? > > ida, _you are my flower_ I love this album. Highly recommended on the kids front. Sweet Honey in the Rock has a very nice children's album too. It's on something like "Songs For Wee Folks records". They have other discs that look pretty promising. I bought one by Taj Majal for my sister and neice and it's been quite popular. Some of the songs on that Kristen Hirsh Mayhem album could probably be considered children's songs, and also on Jane Siberry's new one. neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:16 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: david gray, moxy fruvous, equation Equation's "Hazy Daze" CD is wonderful. Rich and vibrant sounds, to say the least. Thanks for mentioning that Equation has a new CD. I can always count on this list to cause me to spend more money! Subject: my musician can beat up your musician grumblingly delurking... hello, fuzzy blue people. hello new blue people who have yet to grow some fuzz, n.p. at the end of posts means "now playing". n.r. means "now reading". n.p.o.t.r.i.m.h. (which one does see occasionally from a few imaginative people) means "now playing on the radio in my head". KaTe = Kate Bush, and the caps stand for her interest in the Knights Templar, which is evidenced by the appearance of a "KT" somewhere on the art of every album. The Desert Island Disc thread will come around again soon enough. The Guide to Good Music is by no means complete. (if your favorite musician is not there, they haven't been snubbed) The guide is always looking for responsible volunteer editors. See Neile Graham. The ecto mailing list has long prided itself on public displays of mutual respect, regardless of personal feelings. Although I believe we all own a pair of asbestos longjohns for inevitable emergencies. (Well, maybe some wear nighties.) A gentleman will be along shortly to inquire about your shoe size. I believe that covers the basic list newbie FAQ. Someone please hit me with a pillow if I left something of crucial importance out. Or if you found that annoying. (I can feel the feathers flying now...) For those who notice these things or give a damn about recognizing the voice, most of my previous posts were under "Zoetrope". Zoe has retired to the back 40, and Libby is the new workhorse. (computer names) Linda is still as long winded as ever. But that's what you get when I'm quiet for so long. I've just gone through a week's worth of ecto digests to find something I can never resist: a lasting (should I say the everlasting?) argument revolving around art criticism. Which makes me twice the fool for entering the discussion, but nevertheless, here I am again. You may feel free to disagree with anything I set forth. (aren't I the magnanimous one?) The value and power of any work of art is entirely subjective. Vision, technical acumen, virtuosity of craft, timing, clarity of expression, eloquence, intellect, lyricism, emotional impact, chronological appearance, staying power, maturity, subtlety, nuance, whimsy, social conscience, sense of history, innovation, masterful production, engaging live performance, raw sexuality, visceral passion, imagination, mathematical precision, exploratory experimentation, happy accident, elegance, edginess, complexity, simplicity, depth, tonal purity, elusiveness, accessibility.... It has a good beat and I can bug out to it. This list goes on forever. Each of these items are valid criteria to use when judging works of art, (in this argument, pieces of music), though some of them may seem to contradict one another. Each of these items can be broken down into finer points, to the point of ridiculousness. The level of importance of these criteria are relative to the observer (listener), relative to the time and place of observation, relative to any context in which to base comparison. If you treat it as a checklist, you have closed yourself off from experiences that may enrich your life. That's your prerogative. Every musician has 'changed the face of music as we know it'. Regardless of genre, or what has gone before, anyone who has written a song has brought something into being that never was. The effect that any individual piece has on any listening audience is immeasurable. One cannot quantify something that is qualitative. By the same argument, it is perfectly acceptable, (albeit usually lazy and boring) to say about any artist, "he sucks" or "he rocks". The words are succinct, provocative in their lack of specificity, and contain the vocally satisfying "CK" sound. To dictate to anyone what is 'good' or 'bad' in reference to artistic expression is aesthetic fascism. On a more ironic note... (and slightly catty tone) if one is going to espouse intellectual snobbery, one should learn how to spell "nuisance". ~!L. n.p. VIVA! La Woman (it's food nouveau!), Cibo Matto n.r. White Noise, Don DeLillo - ------------- "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." - Niels Bohr - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:49:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #267 (Mediaeval Baebes) On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Rosana L. de Oliveira wrote: > It's very interesting to note how different the two groups sound, > considering that only later I learned of the Miranda Sex Garden connection. > I personally like the Mediaeval Baebes much more. I just got two of their > albums in my last trip and had a pleasant surprise when I started listening > to them, since I bought them without knowing anything about them (yeah, > this usually happens to me :)). I'd heard a lot of good things about MSG, but their albums have never clicked for me. The first one with madrigals gets old fast, and is kind of flat. And their later work never seems to gel into anything that works for me. But I immediately liked what the Mediaeval Baebes were doing. Took the best elements of the various stages of MSG and built off of them in a way that seemed fresh and alive. So I definitely agree with Rosana on that one. neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:58:24 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: my musician can beat up your musician On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Libby wrote: > The value and power of any work of art is entirely subjective. y'know, i always want to buy into this statement, but it makes it hard to point out that some stuff is actually, objectively "bad." ...or at any rate, some stuff is only powerful, affecting, innovative, technically interesting, and/or {yr favorite descriptors here} when experienced from a perspective that's so far outside the norm for the set individuals experiencing the work as to be effectively useless. but if i had to put that disclaimer into every two hundred word review i submit, i'd have a lot less space to examine specific attributes of the work in question. i love this debate too, in case it doesn't show. maybe its charm *is* that it's fundamentally unresolvable? - -- d. np rimksy-korsakoff _scheherazade_ nr r. resnick, go west young f*cked up chick (in which a character is reading _white noise!_) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:49:12 -0400 From: american damon Subject: Re: my musician can beat up your musician dmw wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Libby wrote: > > > The value and power of any work of art is entirely subjective. > > y'know, i always want to buy into this statement, but it makes it hard to > point out that some stuff is actually, objectively "bad." > but things aren't objectively bad. > ...or at any rate, some stuff is only powerful, affecting, innovative, > technically interesting, and/or {yr favorite descriptors here} when > experienced from a perspective that's so far outside the norm for the set > individuals experiencing the work as to be effectively useless. for those individuals, yes. > but if i had to put that disclaimer into every two hundred word review i > submit, i'd have a lot less space to examine specific attributes of the > work in question. > > i love this debate too, in case it doesn't show. maybe its charm *is* > that it's fundamentally unresolvable? > just to point out that the idea of objective quality in aesthetics is theoretically resolvable, or else it wouldn't be objective. but your post has given me...ideas. happy and kate in a cage. maybe with mud. winner take all. - -- People say men are genetically engineered to prefer polygamy, but you don't see that many women upset enough when their husbands leave them to shoot everybody in sight. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:31:56 -0500 From: "girl with the curious hair" Subject: david gray so the other night i saw david gray in concert with joseph arthur. first, joseph. the guy is amazing live. truly mesmerizing. as my friend jessica says, his voice is like sex. maybe better than sex. it's just him, his acoustic guitar and some samplers, and he creates these orchestral arrangements right in front of your eyes. if you have the opportunity to see him live, do so. as for david gray. he wiggles his head funny. it's all folky rock, and pretty mediocre at that. i don't have any of his albums, i'm just speaking of his live performances. nothing to get all worked up about. i was bored. but joseph. ::drool:: j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:53:45 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: david gray Well, I guess that's why there are horse races. I've never seen David Gray, but would go to a lot trouble to do so. I've got everything he's done and consider him one of the finest songwriters out there. This coming from a guy who far prefers the female side of ecto. "Flesh" is a tour de force. My $0.02. Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "girl with the curious hair" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: david gray > so the other night i saw david gray in concert with joseph arthur. first, > joseph. the guy is amazing live. truly mesmerizing. as my friend jessica > says, his voice is like sex. maybe better than sex. it's just him, his > acoustic guitar and some samplers, and he creates these orchestral > arrangements right in front of your eyes. if you have the opportunity to see > him live, do so. > > as for david gray. he wiggles his head funny. it's all folky rock, and > pretty mediocre at that. i don't have any of his albums, i'm just speaking > of his live performances. nothing to get all worked up about. i was bored. > > but joseph. ::drool:: > > j > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:54:11 -0400 From: Libby Subject: Re: my musician can beat up your musician dmw wrote: > ...or at any rate, some stuff is only powerful, affecting, innovative, > technically interesting, and/or {yr favorite descriptors here} when > experienced from a perspective that's so far outside the norm for the set > individuals experiencing the work as to be effectively useless. > > but if i had to put that disclaimer into every two hundred word review i > submit, i'd have a lot less space to examine specific attributes of the > work in question. An excellent point, and the only one in the argument that ever gives me pause. Certainly when one is writing a review, there has to be a place where value judgments are made. Usually the judgment is one of educated opinion, which can be a valuable guide as to what to expect from a work. Certainly there are aesthetic considerations that are appealing on a mass scale, because of subconscious triggers in the human psyche, or social conditioning, or other uncounted factors. Even then, a review is only meant to be taken as a guide. I strenuously object to absolute definitions when it comes to value judgments, and get downright cranky when demanded to adhere to someone else's. Particularly when the subject in question is art. Art is all about individual expression. I hesitate to bring examples into the discussion... that's always bound to get someone's ire up. Even in my liberal eclecticism, there are pieces of music which I consider "bad", because they don't meet the criteria which I choose. (certain types of folk music.... is that someone torturing a cat? make it stop.) There are designs and ditties that I encounter every day that make me question the sanity of ad execs everywhere (... I can't believe someone signed off on that!). There are pieces which I think use lack of talent as a saving grace, perhaps purposefully, perhaps unconsciously, which make them work for me .... the silliest example I can think of, the Fatboy Slim video for "Praise You". Those are terrible dancers. I mean really, really bad. and I love them. I love that they dance badly. That they dance with complete abandon with crowds of people looking on with confusion and mocking them. I love that I'm not sure if these people take themselves seriously or not. It doesn't matter if they do. I have to celebrate you, baby. > i love this debate too, in case it doesn't show. maybe its charm *is* > that it's fundamentally unresolvable? It's certainly what I find irresistible about it. Just keeps going round and round. And all the curves are interesting. > nr r. resnick, go west young f*cked up chick > (in which a character is reading _white noise!_) how synchronicitous is that!?! The Resnick title sounds worth a read, Have to check it out. _White Noise_ is some amazing prose. It also contains a good deal of thoughtful criticism of popular culture, couched in a wry wit and a love affair with the english language. Like other DeLillo books, I keep forcing my friends that happen by while I'm reading to listen to passages that I find particularly effective. Aren't I a fun hostess? ~!L - ------------- A paradox can be paradoctored. - R.A. Heinlein - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:00:36 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Building the Colossus I got a cd copy of Happy's "Building the Colossus" today and I'm really enjoying it (like I do all her albums). I haven't gotten past the third song yet ("Dying") but I can tell it's going to become one of my favorites. ~Eric "There is nothing that competes with habit And I know it's neither deep nor tragic It's simply that you have to have it" ~Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:31:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Kid stuff Several years ago, I heard a track from the CD of children's songs by Steve Rashid, _I Will Hold Your Tiny Hand_. It was very good of its kind indeed, free of schmaltz etc. It was on an indie label the name of which I never ascertained (not generally being in the market for that genre), or maybe self-published. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:27:22 -0400 From: meredith Subject: ectofest photos up Hi! I've finally gotten around to adding photos to the ectofest site. Since JeffW and Kiri are the only ones who have posted links so far, that's all that's up there (Kiri, hope you don't mind I made a few thumbnails of my own :). If you have photos you'd like to share, please let me know! It's all at http://www.ectofest.org/photos.html. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #270 **************************