From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #267 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 13 2000 Volume 06 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: marr [Paul Baxter ] be: lush & the smiths [Paul Baxter ] hello to all [Paul Baxter ] introducing myself too ["Rosana L. de Oliveira" ] Re: introducing myself too [Neal Copperman ] Re: music and time [Bill ] Re: interesting new release tidbits ["Neil K. Guy" ] New cds [RocketsTail@aol.com] Neile's List ["phclark" ] more on napster etc ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Baxter Subject: re: marr > << Johnny Marr was one of the > > greatest and most original guitarist of his generation, subtle and rhythmic > > while being bold and powerful, elegant while retaining a sublime agression > > that is simply umatched. > > > oh, nonsense. > robert smith was a better and more innovative guitarist. > just for one. >> > > Now that's nonsense. Robert Smiths wasn't and never >will be half the > guitarist Johnny Marr is. >he did more interesting stuff on his first disc than >marr did >since. >since then, he's departed the guitar innovation for >making >wildly innovative and extremely good albums. O.k., that's just wrong. Anyone who knows anything about guitar can tell that Johnny Marr is more techically advanced, as well as an all around more efficient guitarist, than Robert Smith of The Cure. That's why Smith has always surrounded himself by other guitarists. Smith has never really gotten beyond that "experimental" guitarist sound, a lot of the time he sounds like he's just barely getting all the notes in there. Marr's not only a dynamic and accomplished player but he's developed a personal trademark that's just one factor that's come to make The Smiths so famous and him the biggest guitar hero of the 80's. I've never even heard anyone talk about Robert Smith's guitar playing like it was any big deal. >unlike the smiths, who were pretty consistent, every >cure album >that came out for 15 years was different and >progressive. That's cause the SMITHS were already well beyond everyone else making music during that time frame. The first Smiths album was completely unreal, no one had ever heard anything like that. The press raved. Fans salivated. This stuff was so different you could feel it. I don't know about you, but I saw what happened and The Smiths changed things. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Baxter Subject: be: lush & the smiths > << i'd say lush is better than the smiths. > > > >> > > In what way? Lush owed MUCH of their style to My Bloody Valentine. >not by the time they got to split. Lush? That little shoegazing band that was on 4AD Records for a few years? Better than The Smiths? Are you SERIOUS?! No. That is just... No. I don't know much bout Lush, but I know they sounded ALOT like MBV, and they were certainly in NO way superior to THE SMITHS. Perhaps > they added their own trademark to it, but they certainly didn't create their > own genre such as The Smiths. >not sure genre is the right word, and stil don't see >how their jangly >pop is much different than echo and the bunnymen or >even early cure. I would agree The Smiths were their own genre. Nobody mixed lyrics that sounded like some English major wrote them with that kind of jangle-pop. In addition, The Smiths completely reinvented jangle pop, they made it more elegant, gave it a purpose. So yes, you could say The Smiths' music is a genre in itself. Perhaps you might prefer Lush over The Smiths, > but let's not be completely ignorant. The Smiths had an impact on the course > of both indie and popular music that Lush cannot even begin to compare to. >maybe they did. >nirvana certainly had the same effect, although they >made music that had >been done previously and better by the likes of the >jesus and mary >chain, >or even the wedding present, not to mention early mbv. I don't think nirvana and THE SMITHS are a good comparrison. Nirvana attracted a mainstream audience through MTV. The majority of their fanbase, by 1992, probably had never even heard of the Jesus & Mary Chain or ever kept up with undergroumd music in any way. The Smiths really became indie starts and heroes. They did have a pretty big mainstream audience in the U.K., but they never became some kind of an MTV thing. In > addition, Lush has had an obvious influence on almost no one. The Smiths > influence is well apparent in the work of James, Travis, Belle & Sebastion, > The Cranberries, The Verve, The Sundays and nearly every other really > innovative and interesting group to follow them (including Lush). >which is why i disntinctly ignored using >the term influential. >tho i'd rate james as much much better than the >smiths, >more musically innovative, and also lyrics that kick >morrisey's ass. James? Better than The Smiths? My god, what is with this?! James exists because of The Smiths, they are a SMITHS 'wrip off' band. The creation CANNOT be greater than the created. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Baxter Subject: hello to all I am new to this list. Name's Paul, and I liked the website a lot. It really needs a Smiths entry though. As you can see I'm a bit of a Smiths obsessive. Also real into Gang of Four, XTC, The Cure (yes, I sure am), Richard Hell, Talking Heads, Tori Amos, X, and a whole lot of others. I'm just an all around huge music fan. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:26:55 -0400 From: "Rosana L. de Oliveira" Subject: introducing myself too Hello everyone, I subscribed to Ecto a few days ago, so I thought that maybe it was time to introduce myself. Some of you have met me in person at the Ectofest already, but to the others, my name is Rosana and I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I am 27 years old and a visual artist. I was introduced to "ectophilic music" by Juha, even though I already liked singers such as Tori Amos and Kristin Hersh before. And I've already consulted the Ectophile's Guide to Good Music many times, everytime I wanted to look up a new, interesting artist. Other artists that I like include Loreena McKennitt, Rachael Sage, Susan Court, Sheila Chandra, Tara McLean, Aether, Mediaeval Baebes and Imogen Heap (I wonder what happened to her, though, she seems to have disappeared). My big favorite rock band is the Sisters Of Mercy and I am also a gothic music fan. Just wanted to stress that I had a great time at the Ectofest and that it was very nice meeting some of you guys. I enjoyed every concert especially Anne Heaton's and of course, Happy Rhodes'. Just wished you had an Ectofest t-shirt in a smaller size, though. :) Regards, Rosana rioliv@br.homeshopping.com.br http://www.geocities.com/jerayna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:53 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: introducing myself too Hi all and welcome to Rosana, > Imogen Heap (I wonder what happened to her, though, > she seems to have disappeared). The only info I can find on her is slightly outdated. The last I heard she was recording her new album. But that was in March of this year. I do hope we see/hear her again soon! ~Amy Women In Music http://www.ecalos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:48:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: introducing myself too On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Rosana L. de Oliveira wrote: > I subscribed to Ecto a few days ago, so I thought that maybe it was time to > introduce myself. Some of you have met me in person at the Ectofest > already, but to the others, my name is Rosana and I live in Rio de Janeiro, > Brazil. Welcome Rosana. It was great meeting you and Juha at ectofest. (they easily won the award for greatest distances travelled.) > Just wanted to stress that I had a great time at the Ectofest and that it > was very nice meeting some of you guys. I enjoyed every concert especially > Anne Heaton's and of course, Happy Rhodes'. Just wished you had an Ectofest > t-shirt in a smaller size, though. :) Maybe if you wash it in really hot water over and over again, it'll shrink :) neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Re: music and time On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Billi Mazur wrote: > 2) 1967 "Nights In White Satin" - The Moody Blues - I was listening to my > transistor radio under my pillow to fall asleep, as I did every night. As I was > about to doze off I heard this song for the first time. NIWS was so beautiful it > compelled me to listen to it completely. I needed to know who the artist was > that performed that song before I allowed myself to fall asleep. I waited until > the DJ announced who had performed the song. I will never, ever forget listening to Strawbs' _Autumn_ (from the _Hero and heroine_ album), on my battery-operated transistor radio, in my dark room, as a teenager, back in Maracaibo, Venezuela, as I was falling asleep. I too had to stay up and find out just what this song was; it had cool synth sounds, nice voices, great piano, guitar, and all of the other things which I liked. As I will never ever forget, many years later, waking up for the first time in the bed of the woman who would become my wife, perusing through her album collection, and finding _Hero and heroine_; I played _Autumn_, as I lay there in her bed, in her apartment with that calm feeling, basking in newly-found love, and seeing memories from childhood on through present day flash upon my mind. - - Bill G. np: Strawbs: Hero and heroine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:20:29 -0700 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: interesting new release tidbits At 7:16 PM -0400 9/7/2000, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: >Medieval Baebes-- Undrentide (produced by John Cale) (Nettwerk) On a related note, the first single off the new (as yet unreleased cos it ain't finished) Delerium album was included with the single for Silence (finally released in North America). The new track is called "Aria" and is based around a Mediaeval Baebes song off their second album. It's a fun track - kind of like a Hooked On Mediaeval Baebes or something. :) There's also a video for it, featuring the lasses. Just in case anybody's interested. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ * email: tela@tela.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:21:53 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: New cds Today I got a shit load of cds in the mail and figured I would share :-) Anne Heaton "live" (AWESOME CD! I'm glad I took a chance on this one) Shannon Mcnally "Bolder than paradise" EP (great!) Jann Arden "Blood Red Cherry" Wild Strawberries "Twist" Some cd by Shivaree, who I've never heard of but bought on a whim...haven't listened to it yet. :-) ~Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:25:34 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Neile's List I don't want to seem like I'm shilling for Neile, but I guess I am... I'm not buying the following from her 'cause I already have 'em. If you don't have them, do yourself a favor. Thanks for the bandwidth. Peter C All About Eve - Scarlet and Other Stories - $5 Cat Power - The Covers Record - $5 Barbara Gogan with Hector Zazou - Made on Earth - $4 The Henrys - Puerto Angel [Hawaiian guitar, guest vocals on 4 tracks by Mary Margaret O'Hara] - $4 The Henrys - Chasing Grace [Hawaiian guitar, guest vocals on 4 tracks by Mary Margaret O'Hara] - $4 Beth Orton - Trailer Park - $4 Over The Rhine - Eve [promo mark on disc] - $3 Over The Rhine - Good Dog Bad Dog [original self-release] - $4 Over The Rhine - 'Til We Have Faces [original self-release w/ cool booklet] - $4 Maddy Prior - Woman in The Wings - $4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:53:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: more on napster etc Last Sunday's (September 10) _New York Times_ had a story on the copyright issues surrounding Napster and MP3, which noted with irony that MP3.com is the one getting nailed, for making sure people owned the music they were copying, while Napster was facilitating free distribution. The difference was that Napster's distruibution was avowedly noncommercial, while MP3.com's was not. All quite interesting reading. It may stil be on the paper's website. Mitch ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #267 **************************