From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #265 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, September 11 2000 Volume 06 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Correction!(re:madonna) [Joseph Zitt ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #264 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: ecto-digest V6 #264 [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: the smiths [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: marr [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: lush & the smiths? [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Re: madonna [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] Yesterday's paper ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: music and time [Billi Mazur ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:39:01 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Correction!(re:madonna) On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 12:06:09AM -0400, Ted wrote: > > OOPS!, That's *tendentious*! I lost some range of motion and some strength in a very important finger for a guitar player. > > I have stopped laughing just long enough to apologize for my spell checker which seems to have a mind of its own. > I formally give up trying to properly spell the word describing the injury to my forefinger as to not upset my browser. Don't laugh too hard: The Paper Clip Who Knows All suggests that it might lead to a cadillac infraction. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:37:00 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #264 In a message dated 9/10/00 9:24:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Now that Madonna has been thoroughly covered (or uncovered as the case may be), maybe we can extoll the virtues of some real artists. I nominate METALLICA for discussion! Do I have a second! :) >> I'm afraid I don't have much good to say about Metalica, but it's not because I think their art is worthless like I do Madonna, but it's really just because I don't care for heavy metal at all. I just think it's really lame, easy to play and even laughable. It's purely a matter of taste. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:40:36 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #264 In a message dated 9/10/00 9:24:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << oddly enough, that's pretty much how i feel about morrissey- extremely overrated and unimportant. >> Well it's really almost impossible to dismiss Morrisey as unimportant to the world of popular music when you consider the impact the Smiths have had. Considering the fact that 90's rock would probably be pretty uncolorful (we'd all be hearing flock of seagulls and thompson twins for the rest of our lives) without the smiths, then I'd say the later is simply incorrect historically and the former is simply an opinion. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:42:27 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: the smiths In a message dated 9/10/00 9:24:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << he has a wonderful voice, and marr made some very catchy hooks. aside from that, his songs are overly serious, and while his owrks are great if you're felling depressed [tho there are better bands for that too], they're hysterically mockworthy if you're not. >> again, all your opinion. an opinion i happen to not share. i find dismissings of The Smiths as unimportant as being laughable, to tell the truth. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:43:16 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: marr In a message dated 9/10/00 9:24:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Johnny Marr was one of the > greatest and most original guitarist of his generation, subtle and rhythmic > while being bold and powerful, elegant while retaining a sublime agression > that is simply umatched. oh, nonsense. robert smith was a better and more innovative guitarist. just for one. >> Now that's nonsense. Robert Smiths wasn't and never will be half the guitarist Johnny Marr is. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:51:57 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: lush & the smiths? In a message dated 9/10/00 9:24:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << i'd say lush is better than the smiths. certainly more innovative. >> In what way? Lush owed MUCH of their style to My Bloody Valentine. Perhaps they added their own trademark to it, but they certainly didn't create their own genre such as The Smiths. Perhaps you might prefer Lush over The Smiths, but let's not be completely ignorant. The Smiths had an impact on the course of both indie and popular music that Lush cannot even begin to compare to. In addition, Lush has had an obvious influence on almost no one. The Smiths influence is well apparent in the work of James, Travis, Belle & Sebastion, The Cranberries, The Verve, The Sundays and nearly every other really innovative and interesting group to follow them (including Lush). Other artists, such as Smashing Pumpkins and The Pixies, who don't even sound remotely like The Smiths (but have been very important in modern music) admit strong Smiths influence. Lush was a great group, but The Smiths were pioneers. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:08:48 EDT From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: madonna This is what is really comes down to: The Smiths good Madonna bad forgive me, i'm in a bit of a humorous mood tonight. Joe http://www.angelfire.com/indie/impryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:12:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Yesterday's paper The September 10 _Chicago Sun-Times_ has an interesting op-ed piece on how Big Recording is shooting itself in the foot by resisting the MP3 revolution, and the latter is giving the consumer unprecedented choice and convenience, and indie artists a chance to be heard. Unfortunately I can't find it on the paper's website. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:39:31 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: music and time Adam, Loretta and my fellow Ectophiles, Your posts ring a bell of poignancy and nostalgia within me. Music has played such a strong role in defining moments of my life. Here are a few of the moments that come immediately to mind for me: 1) 1963 "In My Room" - The Beach Boys - I was 10 years old. My father and I were preparing my room for the arrival of my younger brother David. My mother was in the hospital awaiting his birth. My younger sisters were at my grandmother's home. My father and I had just finished painting my room the day before. That afternoon we had put all of the furniture back into my room. When we finished I laid down on the bed and turned on my transistor radio. I was thinking about what it would be like to have a little brother. As I was contemplating the DJ played "In My Room". I had always loved that song. For some reason it had a bittersweet effect on me that day. 2) 1967 "Nights In White Satin" - The Moody Blues - I was listening to my transistor radio under my pillow to fall asleep, as I did every night. As I was about to doze off I heard this song for the first time. NIWS was so beautiful it compelled me to listen to it completely. I needed to know who the artist was that performed that song before I allowed myself to fall asleep. I waited until the DJ announced who had performed the song. 3) 1972 "Isn't Life Strange" - The Moody Blues - Billi and I were driving down to Southern CA to Disneyland for our honeymoon. It was early evening as we passed San Luis Obispo and continued south down Highway 101. The car radio was on quietly but just kept picking up static. Just as the highway turned westward and began it's path southward along the Pacific Ocean, the sun was beginning to set over the ocean. It was a gorgeous sunset of oranges, reds and purples. At that moment the static on the radio lifted and we both the strains of "Isn't Life Strange" coming across the radio airwaves. This was the first time I had heard this song. It still holds a special place in my heart. 4) 1981 "The Man With The Child In His Eyes" - Kate Bush - I saw the video on MTV in the very early days of the music channel (when just about every video was interesting). I was mesmerized by Kate's voice and her performance in the video. This was my first exposure to Kate. I immediately went and searched out a copy of "The Kick Inside". 5) 1991 "Silent All These Years" - Tori Amos - My brother Jonathan asked me if I had seen a video by this beautiful redheaded women who's music sounded very much like Kate Bush. I hadn't heard anything of or about Tori at that point. I spent the next three days trying to see and hear the song/video on MTV. Finally one morning at about 6:00AM, as I just finished preparing my oatmeal for breakfast, MTV played the video for "Silent All These Years". I was completely taken with Tori. Later that day I went out to find a copy of 'Little Earthquakes". There are a number of other examples that I could site. Music is such a powerful element in the fabric of one's life experience. Bill M. n.p. The Emmys "Adam K." wrote: > These kinds of things, for me, are long ago and non-ecto related. They tend > to revolve around my adolescence and late teens/early 20's, before the 80's > started and I moved back to England and pretty much stopped discovering > music for a while. There are a few random snapshots: > > Lying in bed while at college, staring up at the stars through the window > and listening to "Watcher of the Skies" from the first live Genesis album, > and seeing a shooting star. > > Yes' "Relayer" always reminds me of the Summer of '77, when I first got the > album, and I'd just moved to NYC and used to sit in my air-conditioned room > listening to it. To this day, whenever I hear it, I can hear the low hum of > air-conditioning and practically taste the stale, chilled and damp air it > pumped out. > > Oh, and I'll always remember sitting on a back porch in Connecticut around > '75 - '76, listening to Elton John's "Caribou", Be-Bop Deluxe's "Starburst > Finish" and Steve Hackett's "Voyage of the Acolyte" on a mega-heavy old mono > record player (the school kind, with the speaker in the lid" that I'd > dragged out there with me. > > I haven't had many moments like that in the last 20 years, and can't recall > any of them, although I love music none the less. I look forward to > gathering more. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #265 **************************