From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #195 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, July 10 2000 Volume 06 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Spamster [josh burnett ] Re: Spamster [three damons ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Bookmarks [I Am Not I ] Re: Spamster [jason and jill ] Re: Spamster [Ted ] Re: Spamster [jason and jill ] Re: Spamster [Ted ] KaTe news [johann johann ] Re: KaTe news [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: KaTe news ["athol-brose" ] Re: Spamster [three damons ] Anniversary CD - call for contributors ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Spamster Spasms [josh burnett ] Re: Spamster Spasms [burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: josh burnett Subject: Re: Spamster On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, three damons wrote: > it's coming soon, from what i've heard. > it's essentially a tablet lcd screen that you download whole books onto, > and read it naturally. the screen tech, irrc, works out so it's quite > readable \under a variety of condidiotns, > and it's better than real books in some ways because > you can bookmakr pages and head straight towards them. Ummm, you can do that with real books, too. Where do you think the word "bookmark" comes from? ;) jcb. Josh Burnett * http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/index.html (home) http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/dontsay/index.html (journal) AIM: joshjackal / ICQ: 23051834 "It's one of my faults that I can't quell my past" - Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 02:23:51 -0400 From: three damons Subject: Re: Spamster josh burnett wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, three damons wrote: > > > it's coming soon, from what i've heard. > > it's essentially a tablet lcd screen that you download whole books onto, > > and read it naturally. the screen tech, irrc, works out so it's quite > > readable \under a variety of condidiotns, > > and it's better than real books in some ways because > > you can bookmakr pages and head straight towards them. > > Ummm, you can do that with real books, too. Where do you think the word > "bookmark" comes from? ;) > yes, but try to find page 103 when you're on 738. iirc, you can do keyword searches too, since i'ts all digital. - -- What political correctness is: Make disparaging remarks about minorites of New York: get suspended for two weeks. Admit to covering up two murders that happened right in front of you: no supsension. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Courtney Dallas (no Email address) ******************** ******************** Michael Peskura (peskura@scn.org) ******************** ******************** Finney T. Tsai (tsai@syntest.com) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Rich R. Wed July 14 1954 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Shirley Ye July 27 Lioness woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 06:26:58 -0700 From: I Am Not I Subject: Re: Bookmarks josh burnett wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, three damons wrote: > > > you can bookmark pages and head straight towards them. > > you can do that with real books, too This is true; I do it all the time. - -- Rule #1: If I'm not having fun, I'm leaving. Rule #2: If I can't leave, I'll have fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:41:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Spamster On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, three damons wrote: > > > > Ummm, you can do that with real books, too. Where do you think the word > > "bookmark" comes from? ;) > > > > yes, but try to find page 103 when you're on 738. I believe you do this using the method "flipping back" (patented 1567, by the Monks of St. Peter.Com) utilizing "independantly graphically indicated incremental position makers" (page numbers, patented 1653, by those St. Peter.Com guys again.) Meanwhile, tell me the next time someone takes a stack of PDA's into the bathroom instead of magazines for reading material during a long, emotionally satisfying dump. ;) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:52:24 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: Spamster Mr. 3D, Puleeeese..... People have somehow managed to find page 103 literally since the dawn of history. (Now if that's not a million dollar sound byte I don't know what is!) three damons wrote: > > > > > yes, but try to find page 103 when you're on 738. > > iirc, you can do keyword searches too, since i'ts all digital. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Spamster > Mr. 3D, > Puleeeese..... > People have somehow managed to find page 103 literally since the dawn of history. > (Now if that's not a million dollar sound byte I don't know what is!) Well, bound books haven't been around THAT long. Maybe since the noon of history, then. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:11:53 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: Spamster Sorry, it doesn't have the same ring.... jason and jill wrote: > > Mr. 3D, > > Puleeeese..... > > People have somehow managed to find page 103 literally since the dawn of history. > > (Now if that's not a million dollar sound byte I don't know what is!) > > Well, bound books haven't been around THAT long. Maybe since the noon > of history, then. > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:14:27 -0400 From: johann johann Subject: KaTe news the latest from homeground (*the* KaTe bush fanzine) via love-hounds... >Reply-To: "twomey" >From: "twomey" >To: >Subject: HomeGround 65 reports on new album, the CD remasters and that Dinosaur track..... >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:51:30 +0100 > >Hi all, > >As expected, HomeGround fanzine's latest issue has provided important >updates on several interesting Kate news stories. The Summer 2000 edition >reveals that "Kate is continuing to work steadily on a new album". However >they say that "the most realistic forecasts for a release date at this point >is the latter part of next year". The fact that Kate's taking her own good >time with the album will come as no surprise to seasoned fans, but as >mentioned on my site's news page earlier there is something very special to >look forward to in the meantime... > >In April Kate gave the go-ahead to have the remaining six albums in her >catalogue remastered and re-packaged as with the 1997 re-release of Hounds >Of Love. Dave Cross of HomeGround and Steve Davis at EMI are working on the >new digitally remastered and extended editions. HomeGround report that "each >album is to be re-mastered at Abbey Road by Chris Blair, who cut the >original Wuthering Heights single, and who re-mastered Hounds Of Love....the >booklet of each CD is to retain the original artwork but will have >additional photographs and new sleeve notes which will be written by the >HomeGround editors." Dave Cross says that "EMI are putting a lot of time and >money into making sure that these re-issues look and sound great....Kate's >first four albums will especially benefit from the re-mastering." > >So, when are they coming out? The plan at the moment is to release the >albums two at a time, starting with The Sensual World and The Red Shoes in >September, sleevenotes by HomeGround's Peter and Dave respectively. The >additional tracks for these first two releases will be contained on the >second CD of a two-CD package. Following that in the Spring of 2001 we'll >have The Dreaming (sleevenote by Krys) and Never For Ever (sleevenote by >Dave). Late Spring/Summer 2001 will bring The Kick Inside (sleevenote by >Krys) and Lionheart (sleevenote by Peter). > >HomeGround also mention that the Dinosaur track that Kate originally >recorded for the Disney animated film was not used because the "suits in >charge of the film" didn't like Kate's words and asked her to first change >them and failing that they then instead wanted a "song without >words...emotional background". The fanzine states that "at that point Kate >threw in the towel". > >As if all this news wasn't enough the fanzine also prints Paddy Bush's >excellent article on the making of Justin Vali's The Sunshine Within (order >your copy today!), an article by veteran US Kate fan Andrew Marvick on how >he feels about Kate in 2000, an edited version of my interview with Brian >Kennedy (which I have always promised Brian would be printed in HG, so there >you go Brian!), and all the usual features such as Five Years Ago, reader's >letters, and more news gathering than my website could ever hope to do. You >can order your copy from the HomeGround Pages >http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/homegrou.htm > >Take care, >Sean :-) >Kate Bush News & Information >http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:39:12 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: KaTe news johann johann wrote: > > the latest from homeground (*the* KaTe bush fanzine) via love-hounds... How exciting. I've already been through 4 copies of HoL (emi america, emi manhattan, TWW box, emi 100) and two copies of all the other albums (thanks to the box set) and now I get to soothe my KaTe jones by rebuying all the other albums? Well are they at least going to finally include the various instrumental versions and other misc stuff missing from the box set (such as the instrumental RUTH -- my vinyl of that is warped and I *really* REALLY want it on CD!!)? I don't know whether to laugh or cry -- especially since I'll probably not be able to keep myself from actually buying 'em. And given what I paid for the EMI 100 HoL, I'll probably end up spending more on 'em than I did on the 8 discs in the box set. How depressing. jeff n.p. _Lovelife_, Lush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:32:21 -0400 From: "athol-brose" Subject: Re: KaTe news Jeffery Burka wrote: > johann johann wrote: > > the latest from homeground (*the* KaTe bush fanzine) via love-hounds... > > How exciting. I've already been through 4 copies of HoL (emi america, emi > manhattan, TWW box, emi 100) and two copies of all the other albums > (thanks to the box set) and now I get to soothe my KaTe jones by rebuying > all the other albums? Well are they at least going to finally include > the various instrumental versions and other misc stuff missing from > the box set (such as the instrumental RUTH -- my vinyl of that is > warped and I *really* REALLY want it on CD!!)? OTOH, those of us who got into Kate while still in our cassette phases and who only have "The Red Shoes" on CD are saying "woo-hoo!" :) I'd wanted to get the rest of her stuff on CD, after listening to an old tape and getting interested again; however, if there are going to be re-mastered re-issues with bonus stuff, well, then, I suppose I'll hold off a little while... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:36:34 -0400 From: three damons Subject: Re: Spamster jason and jill wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, three damons wrote: > > > > > > > Ummm, you can do that with real books, too. Where do you think the word > > > "bookmark" comes from? ;) > > > > > > > yes, but try to find page 103 when you're on 738. > > I believe you do this using the method "flipping back" (patented 1567, > by the Monks of St. Peter.Com) utilizing "independantly graphically > indicated incremental position makers" (page numbers, patented 1653, by > those St. Peter.Com guys again.) > do you also walk everywhere you go? because i hear they've invented this new thing called the au-to mo-bile, which seems to get one there much faster. and saves on shoe wear too. or so i've heard. that fancy new technology firghtens me. > Meanwhile, tell me the next time someone takes a stack of PDA's into the > bathroom instead of magazines for reading material during a long, > emotionally satisfying dump. ;) > hey, *i* don't know if it will work out, but it's been developing for 5 years or so. and if they do get it out, it will revolutionaize htings. i mena, besides napster destorying the book industry, this thing alone will destroy the timber industry. imagine taking 5 books to read somewhere, all contained in on sheet sized tablet and a disc or two. - -- What political correctness is: Make disparaging remarks about minorites of New York: get suspended for two weeks. Admit to covering up two murders that happened right in front of you: no supsension. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:59:32 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Anniversary CD - call for contributors I've communicated with Marcel and he would prefer if someone else did the actual anniversary CD. So... unless someone else wants the job, I will start the ball rolling myself. Let's start with a little poll. Please email me if you are interested in doing a tune for the anniversary CD. Please make sure you tell me the following: Your name (and preferred email address, if its different than the one you notify me with) What country you're in What tune you'd like to do When you think you could get a copy to me I will be able to accept CD, DAT, minidisc, cassette or MP3 versions of contributed music. (Oh, yeah, vinyl too, although I think that's kinda moot). I'd like to have your responses to this poll in to me by July 24th. Thanks, Mike (aka Fog) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:31:22 EDT From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Jann Arden's new cd Has anyone here heard Jann Arden's new album "Blood Red Cherry"? I've heard three or four songs from it and they are just amazing! I love her voice...all three of her albums stay in my cd player almost constantly. One of the songs "Another human being" really struck a chord with me. I haven't heard a release date for this album in the US yet...but it's out in Canada, I'm dying to get it!!! Okay I just wanted to post something hehe. -Eric "Keep that fury deep inside you And wish it to end And when your friends start asking you why You just say nothing" ~Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:45:59 -0500 From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger) Subject: Spamster Spasms >From: josh burnett >Subject: Re: Spamster > >On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, jason and jill wrote: > >> Don't you know, your book wants to be free? Maybe you could think of a >> good t-shirt to make as a tie-in. ;) > >Oh, I forgot. Plus, I can sell out stadiums giving dramatic readings of my >novel! Ha ha, I guess this is in jest of my suggestion that Napster may be a boon for live music. Well...look at it this way, you might not be able to sell out a stadium, rock star, but what about a small book or coffe shop by giving a dramatic reading. And if that does not appeal to you, I do not why you cant put out most of your book online, then save a few of the ending chapters. If people like your novel, then make them snail mail you cash in exchange for the rest of the novel in a format of your choice (your own blood on parchment?). My point all along is that the internet poses challenge and opportunity that may tax your creativity. Deal with it. Scott P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:04:35 -0400 From: three damons Subject: Re: Spamster Spasms Scott Burger wrote: > > >From: josh burnett > >Subject: Re: Spamster > > > >On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, jason and jill wrote: > > > >> Don't you know, your book wants to be free? Maybe you could think of a > >> good t-shirt to make as a tie-in. ;) > > > >Oh, I forgot. Plus, I can sell out stadiums giving dramatic readings of my > >novel! > > Ha ha, I guess this is in jest of my suggestion that Napster may be a boon > for live music. Well...look at it this way, you might not be able to sell > out a stadium, rock star, but what about a small book or coffe shop by > giving a dramatic reading. they charge admission? And if that does not appeal to you, I do not why > you cant put out most of your book online, then save a few of the ending > chapters. If people like your novel, then make them snail mail you cash in > exchange for the rest of the novel in a format of your choice (your own > blood on parchment?). because as soon as one unscupulous person gets it, that witheld ending will get put in a database and the payments will stop trickling in. My point all along is that the internet poses > challenge and opportunity that may tax your creativity. Deal with it. > Scott > a 100% tax on creativity. one will then create for free. - -- What political correctness is: Make disparaging remarks about minorites of New York: get suspended for two weeks. Admit to covering up two murders that happened right in front of you: no supsension. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: josh burnett Subject: Re: Spamster Spasms On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Scott Burger wrote: > you cant put out most of your book online, then save a few of the ending > chapters. If people like your novel, then make them snail mail you cash in > exchange for the rest of the novel in a format of your choice (your own > blood on parchment?). My point all along is that the internet poses > challenge and opportunity that may tax your creativity. Deal with it. ...and then they put the last few chapters online and give it away for free with the aid of gnutella or whatever new copyright violation software comes around in the future. Call me a luddite if you will, but I like books the way they are. I like browsing through bookstore shelves, I like reading the blurbs on the back, I like the feeling of turnin the last page and closing the book when I finish. I just don't think books are something that need to be "improved" by technology. jcb. Josh Burnett * http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/index.html (home) http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/dontsay/index.html (journal) AIM: joshjackal / ICQ: 23051834 "It's one of my faults that I can't quell my past" - Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:52:44 -0500 From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger) Subject: Re: Spamster Spasms This argument keeps going in circles. I like books too. They are not going away. They may just become specialty items printed in smaller amounts. As for the commerce involved, authors are just going to have to learn to adjust to the internet (through encryption software, gimmicks, pricing, whatever). I am confident they will. Ya big luddite. - -Scott >On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Scott Burger wrote: > >> you cant put out most of your book online, then save a few of the ending >> chapters. If people like your novel, then make them snail mail you cash in >> exchange for the rest of the novel in a format of your choice (your own >> blood on parchment?). My point all along is that the internet poses >> challenge and opportunity that may tax your creativity. Deal with it. > >...and then they put the last few chapters online and give it away for >free with the aid of gnutella or whatever new copyright violation software >comes around in the future. > >Call me a luddite if you will, but I like books the way they are. I like >browsing through bookstore shelves, I like reading the blurbs on the back, >I like the feeling of turnin the last page and closing the book when I >finish. I just don't think books are something that need to be >"improved" by technology. > >jcb. > >Josh Burnett * http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/index.html (home) >http://www.freespeech.org/jcb/dontsay/index.html (journal) >AIM: joshjackal / ICQ: 23051834 >"It's one of my faults that I can't quell my past" - Aimee Mann P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221 ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #195 **************************