From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #193 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, July 8 2000 Volume 06 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Another potential label for Happy? ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: Anniversary thing [Billi Mazur ] Re: plastic [Andrew Fries ] re: spamster [Andrew Fries ] RE: Anniversary CD/Ectopia 2 ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Another potential label for Happy? [dmw ] RE: Anniversary thing ["Martin G Bridges" ] RE: Anniversary thing [dmw ] Happy's Future ["Cerquone, Suzanne" ] Re: Happy's Future ["phclark" ] jorane on the radio [meredith ] Re: jorane on the radio [Valerie Richardson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 01:03:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Another potential label for Happy? Judging from its website (www.bloodshotrecords.com), Bloodshot Records, here in Chicago, seems to be an especially spirited independent label, which is very supportive of its artists. Sally Timms of the Mekons is one of their roster, as is Kelly Hogan, whose free concert I happened on by accident today and liked what I heard. Happy is not yet out of this ballgame. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 01:08:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: An overlooked aspect of the crisis Someone, somewhere needs to think about how Happy's back catalog can be liberated from the clutches of Samson, especially given that the latter never did anything with it except sit on it. The fate of the old AG albums should, I think, be one of the factors Happy considers as she label-shops. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:06:54 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: Anniversary CD Fog, Please accept my endorsement of you reprising your role as editor on the Anniversary CD project. You did an outstanding job on the Ectopia project! I also hope that there will be an Ectopia II as was previously suggested by several people on the list. Bill M. Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > I think this is a neat idea, and I'd be willing to help. I played editor for > Ectopia, so I have a little bit of experience here. As I said back at that > time, I've lost or forgotten what little creative musical talent I ever had, > so I don't expect to contribute any composition. The only musical instrument > I play these days is the stereo, but I'm fairly good at that! > > The first word of warning I would give to any prospective editor is to be > prepared to produce the whole thing yourself. There were many people who > expressed interest in helping with the production of Ectopia in the > beginning. As the day grew closer, some could no longer offer their > services, and in other cases the logistics of splitting the work up overcame > the benefit of doing so. > > I don't mean that as discouragement. I was a little worried when I came to > the realization I'd be doing it all myself, but it really turned into a nice > side project that didn't really interfere too much. Some would say it kept > me off the streets! And your customers, the people who read this list, are a > very patient, understanding, and generous bunch. > > For Ectopia, I think we started talking about it in January. I put no hard > and fast deadline at the time, and submissions dried up around May. I > started doing the editing around then and began accepting orders and > shipping in June. Of course, many of the participants already had CDs or > demos done prior to all this and simply sent me a copy. > > This anniversary effort sounds like it will be mostly freshly recorded > stuff, so you should probably expect it to take longer for submissions to > come in. It would probably be a better idea to set a fixed deadline now > rather than floating it like I did with Ectopia. You are trying to meet an > anniversary, whereas Ectopia was... whenever. > > I'm willing to play editor again. I'll ask Marcel to contact me about how > he'd like to proceed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:20:42 -0700 From: Billi Mazur Subject: Re: Anniversary thing Meth and the rest of the Ecto family, It was mentioned a while back that there might be another EctoFest in the September/Labor Day time frame. Is that still happening? If it does occur in September could it also happen again to coincide with the 10th anniversary celebration? I agree with what you are saying about celebrating the 10th anniversary in a big and multifaceted way. Perhaps an EctoFest with Happy headlining the event might be a grand idea for the celebration as well. The Anniversary CD and commemorative T-shirts could just be a part of the overall celebration. Just a thought... Bill M. meredith wrote: > Hi! > > Martin opined: > > >I guess what I'm saying is that the cover CD sounds OK as part of the > >celebration of the anniversary (although I doubt I'd buy it, but that's just > >me), but I wouldn't be keen for it to be the one single focal point. Maybe a > >T-shirt or poster or something - how about we all arrange to get our > >(handwritten) signatures scanned and get the all compiled onto a poster of > >some sort? That could be cool. > > Hey, it's a big anniversary ... why not have more than one way to > commemorate it? > > We are *way* overdue for a new list t-shirt. My ecto t is now in the "only > for special occasions" pile, because I don't want to hurt it any more by > washing it. > > Getting everyone's signatures scanned sounds like an administrative > nightmare, but weirder things have happened. :) > > I think the Happy Covered project is a great idea, but count me in as > supporting the t-shirt idea, too. > > +==========================================================================+ > | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | > | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | > +==========================================================================+ > | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | > | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | > | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | > +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 19:01:07 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: plastic On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Leon van Stuivenberg wrote: >> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/20/plastic_mary.html > >After hearing the DAM cd, this has gone from "possibly interesting" to >"definitly check this out" if you're into e.g. the moon 7 times. What I heard sounded very nice, in a quiet, inobtrusive and gentle way I often find appealing. Some references I'd add include 10,000 Maniacs (especially on "Sad Cafe"), subdued Sixpence None The Richer, or perhaps even Cowboy Junkies - but that might be just because I've got Junkies on my mind at the moment... gotta sign up for that tree!) - ------------------------------------------------------ "Today I want to talk about piracy and music. What is piracy? Piracy is the act of stealing an artist's work without any intention of paying for it. I'm not talking about Napster-type software. I'm talking about major label recording contracts." -- Courtney Love - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:07:21 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: re: spamster On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Tom Ditto wrote: >Seems like an appropriate reflection on the condition of Napster's >clientele who >are having their free downloads muddied by spam. Sure, why should Napster be exempt from the disease affecting everything around us? You seem to find some sort of poetic justice in spamming Napster, but I fail to appreciate it. Whatever Napster might or might not be doing to the sales, the thought of big business hijacking Napster for its own uses does not make me happy, because that's precisely what happened to Internet as a whole: what started out as means of exchanging information is increasingly becoming just another way to hammer ever more advertising into our consciousness... "Poisoning the well"? Sadly the well has been poisoned already, along with most of the drinkers who now accept that state of affairs as normal. (and some apparently even find it desirable) - ------------------------------------------------------ "Today I want to talk about piracy and music. What is piracy? Piracy is the act of stealing an artist's work without any intention of paying for it. I'm not talking about Napster-type software. I'm talking about major label recording contracts." -- Courtney Love - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:43:03 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Anniversary CD/Ectopia 2 Thanks Bill... Many months ago I brought up the thought of an Ectopia II. I didn't get any response at the time. Perhaps the post was overlooked, perhaps the time was not right... if there's interest, and contributors, it can happen. Sounds as if for the moment this anniversary CD has more interest and focus. Could be wrong, the lurking community has yet to speak up. Hey, I thought of a name for the 10th anniversary CD: "Dectopia" ! (just kidding... sort of..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:00:19 -0400 From: Tom Ditto Subject: re: spamster Ditto wrote: >>To be a thief >>You must be honest. >> >>Bob Dylan Raven replied: >I believe the line is: > "To live outside the law you must be honest" Thanks for the correction. As a matter of law, the Dylan line is better than mine. I must have been thinking, "Honor among thiefs." Since the crime of Napster is theft. But murderers have their codes. I keep thinking of Peter Lorre in "M". Tom ditto@taconic.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Another potential label for Happy? On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: > Judging from its website (www.bloodshotrecords.com), Bloodshot Records, > here in Chicago, seems to be an especially spirited independent label, > which is very supportive of its artists. Sally Timms of the Mekons is one > of their roster, as is Kelly Hogan, whose free concert I happened on by > accident today and liked what I heard. bloodshot is a great label, but as they pretty much specialize in alternative-country-whatever-the-hell-that-is, i don't think ms. rhodes and they would be a good match. surprised no one's mentioned: rykodisc. demon. rhino. hyperium. 4ad. quarterstick. * i like the covers idea. maybe one or another of my bands can id a tune sufficiently solid that i can survive our mauling it. - -- d. np saint low _saint low_ (mary lorson from madder rose...jazzy cool & very tuneful) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:59:19 +1000 From: "Martin G Bridges" Subject: RE: Anniversary thing meredith sez: > Hey, it's a big anniversary ... why not have more than one way to > commemorate it? Which is basically what I was trying to say. > We are *way* overdue for a new list t-shirt. My ecto t is now in the "only > for special occasions" pile, because I don't want to hurt it any more by > washing it. T-shirt sounds like an excellent idea. I've seen a few of the ol' fuzzy blue shirts at gigs down the years, and I wouldn't mind one myself. A 10th anniversary spoecial edition could be worth something in years to come, when the Ecto label owns Sony and all the other labels!!! > Getting everyone's signatures scanned sounds like an administrative > nightmare, but weirder things have happened. :) Ah, c'mon, can't be that hard can it. I've got mine done already! Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: RE: Anniversary thing On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Martin G Bridges wrote: > > Getting everyone's signatures scanned sounds like an administrative > > nightmare, but weirder things have happened. :) > Ah, c'mon, can't be that hard can it. I've got mine done already! 'ang on, scanning signatures, or .signatures? - -- d, with a marked preference for the latter - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:46:33 -0700 From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" Subject: Happy's Future It will be interesting to see what Happy wants to do post-Samson. These days, people like Courtney Love and like love to diss the big record companies and say they're (or "we're" in this case, as I work for one) are useless. Whatever - I won't touch that, not enough time in the day. Yet Happy also knows that going it alone is also an extreme struggle. She clearly has "been there, done that." What I've found is that there is potential magic with very loyal fans combined with the Internet. Recently, one of my favorite bands, Marillion, lost their record deal in the UK (and subsequently worldwide), and decided to ask their 10,000-ish fans on their e-mail list if they'd pre-order their upcoming CD six months in advance, to help with the recording and manufacturing of the CD. And 99% of us said yes, so the money's in the bank and Marillion are quite, er, happy. The fans have essentially become the standard record company "advance." Beyond that, Marillion might sign a distribution-only deal with a major, which is quite attractive to artists like Marillion and Happy. That means the record company only promises to distribute the CD, with no promotion or advertising. That is still left in the hands of the artist. To me, that's quite appealing for the "obscure"-type artists, because they're not beholden to a major for all the stuff that usually pisses them off about majors. Yet, they have access to those mighty channels that the majors wield, both via click-and-mortar and brick-and-mortar. Anyways, it's an idea. Happy clearly has a few options in this digital age. ~ Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:46 -0700 From: "phclark" Subject: Re: Happy's Future This makes some sense... Peter C - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cerquone, Suzanne" To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Happy's Future > It will be interesting to see what Happy wants to do post-Samson. These > days, people like Courtney Love and like love to diss the big record > companies and say they're (or "we're" in this case, as I work for one) are > useless. Whatever - I won't touch that, not enough time in the day. Yet > Happy also knows that going it alone is also an extreme struggle. She > clearly has "been there, done that." > > What I've found is that there is potential magic with very loyal fans > combined with the Internet. Recently, one of my favorite bands, Marillion, > lost their record deal in the UK (and subsequently worldwide), and decided > to ask their 10,000-ish fans on their e-mail list if they'd pre-order their > upcoming CD six months in advance, to help with the recording and > manufacturing of the CD. And 99% of us said yes, so the money's in the bank > and Marillion are quite, er, happy. The fans have essentially become the > standard record company "advance." > > Beyond that, Marillion might sign a distribution-only deal with a major, > which is quite attractive to artists like Marillion and Happy. That means > the record company only promises to distribute the CD, with no promotion or > advertising. That is still left in the hands of the artist. To me, that's > quite appealing for the "obscure"-type artists, because they're not beholden > to a major for all the stuff that usually pisses them off about majors. > Yet, they have access to those mighty channels that the majors wield, both > via click-and-mortar and brick-and-mortar. > > Anyways, it's an idea. Happy clearly has a few options in this digital age. > > ~ Suzanne > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:01:38 -0400 From: meredith Subject: jorane on the radio Hi! I think a certain ectophile who has a show at WPKN is responsible for this ... I'm listening to the first track from Jorane's album on the radio right now. :) Just had to share ... Valerie Richardson, if you were responsible for this, you rock! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:18:22 -0400 From: Valerie Richardson Subject: Re: jorane on the radio [out of lurk mode] Hi, If I rock, it's only by word of mouth...or at least sound of radio. I ordered the Jorane CD after hearing all of the raves on Ecto, and I've been playing it on my show over the past month or so. I haven't directly spoken with Ray Terlaga (Friday evening programmer) about Jorane, but maybe he heard her music on my show, or maybe he discovered her on their own. I don't think we have the CD at the station. Rod, my husband, who is an Iva Bittova fan, loves Jorane and will probably also play her on his show. Ultimately, Ecto is responsible for so much great music finding the audience it deserves. - --Valerie Richardson [back to lurk mode] meredith wrote: > > Hi! > > I think a certain ectophile who has a show at WPKN is responsible for this > ... I'm listening to the first track from Jorane's album on the radio right > now. :) > > Just had to share ... Valerie Richardson, if you were responsible for this, > you rock! > > > > +==========================================================================+ > | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | > | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | > +==========================================================================+ > | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | > | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | > | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | > +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #193 **************************