From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #191 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 6 2000 Volume 06 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Spamster [Ted ] An ecto harvest -- (writing out loud) ["Adam Kimmel" ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Spamster [WretchAwry ] Anniversary thing ["Martin G Bridges" ] Re: Spamster [Paul Blair ] Re: Spamster [Paul Blair ] Re: ecto-digest V6 #190 [Maeve421@aol.com] Re: Anniversary? [Josh Weichel ] Re: Anniversary thing [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Spamster [Ted ] Spamster [burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)] Re: ecto-digest V6 #190 [Michael Curry ] Some Kristin Hersh solo dates [Michael Curry ] **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON [Terra Incognita ] Re: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON ["Robert Lovejoy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:07:30 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: Spamster It doesn't work for newsgroups and it won't work for napster. Users will simply pay more attention to who they are downloading off of, all that the story is good for is being a publicity vehicle for an unknown, unremarkable band. Paul Blair wrote: > Some news on the mp3 front: > > Kenwood announces CD-quality mp3's... (will the RIAA sue?) > > > And here's an intriguing way to stop piracy without legal interference--spam! > : > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:37:18 +0100 From: "Adam Kimmel" Subject: An ecto harvest -- (writing out loud) Just thought I'd share the fruits of my retail therapy with everyone -- I've been on another trawl through Soho cd shops, and reaped a mighty harvest, much needed after my last disappointing crop. This time I managed to pick up Jill Sobule's eponymous release, the Kathryn Williams cd, "Little Black Numbers", Lauren Hoffman's second release, as well as a couple of other non-ecto releases (okay, I know Cheap Trick don't count, but it's nostalgia, okay?). Kathryn Williams I've mentioned before -- the hype on her has been quite spectacular, one paper giving her five out of five stars, two page spread interviews, etc. A lot of attention has gone to her voice, and this is where I was disappointed: it's not so much a voice, more of a sigh. In a world awash with whistful Tori clones and multiple Alanisettes, I was hoping for some middle ground (the strong, clear tones of Veda Hille, for instance) but this tends towards the watercolour end of the spectrum. That said, it's a haunting, beautifully fragile album, beautifully produced, arranged (hey, it matters) and good enough for me to want to hear again and again. I think it's a real grower, and can already --- after only two listens -- recommend it. Ditto for Lauren Hoffman's From the Blue House, a much more acoustic, less PJ Harveyish release than her debut. Bluesy, folksy, intimate --- definitely worth getting. The real winner of the crop for me, however, was the Jill Sobule. Sharp, witty, brash and bright, Cindi Lauper meets Ani Di Franco, it brought a smile to my face on a grey Monday morning, and I lent it to someone at work who'd had a dreadful weekend and it cheered her up, as well. This is someone I will definitely be following up on, and again I thank the ecto group for introducing me to her. (has anyone else recorded "I Kissed a Girl"? My friend seemed to think so). All of this, though, was in sharp contrast to the new Peter Hammill that I'd just listened to before. Now, I've been going on about him in this group for a while, and he definitely deserves a place, but this new one, "None of the Above" ---- well, after two listenings I figure it's the worst he's ever done. Dour, turgid, tuneless dirge after dirge, fussy production and arrangements (he produced it and plays most of it himself) and even his knack for language seems to have deserted him, reverting to cliches and sheer cheese at times. A massive disappointment, especially as he seemed to be back on form only a couple of years ago. Oh well, now I've got to go to work and pay for all of this. (And I haven't even listened to the two Veda Hille cd's I picked up at her gig last night. ahhhhh, so much music, so little time) np - Jonatha Brooke - Live ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Kevin Harkins (no Email address) ********************* ********************* Laurel Krahn (laurel@pobox.com) ********************* ******************** John J Henshon (jjh969@juno.com) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Wilson Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Rich R. Wed July 14 1954 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Shirley Ye July 27 Lioness woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:55:55 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Spamster That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Talk about an obscure band's bid for publicity! Luckily it won't affect me or all the really nice people who get music from me. (I just uploaded most of Area's The Perfect Dream and Nico's Chelsea Girl and all of Isabelle Antena's De L'amour Et Des Hommes. No one sane would go to the trouble of screwing around with music like that.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:43:54 +1000 From: "Martin G Bridges" Subject: Anniversary thing Hi folks, Not wanting to be a wet blanket or anything, but I'm not all that keen on the "Happy Cover CD" idea. Let me clarify - I DEFINITELY think we should celebrate the anniversary in some way. I've been around the list for a long time (I guess sometime around 93-94 ish) and it's the only list I've stuck around for that long. We should celebrate the sense of community that the list engenders. However, I somehow don't think the cover CD idea is all that "inclusive" (for want of a better word). By definition, only people with a musically-creative bent can have input and by further definition, not all of them can have songs on the CD (there just ain't enough space). I guess what I'm saying is that the cover CD sounds OK as part of the celebration of the anniversary (although I doubt I'd buy it, but that's just me), but I wouldn't be keen for it to be the one single focal point. Maybe a T-shirt or poster or something - how about we all arrange to get our (handwritten) signatures scanned and get the all compiled onto a poster of some sort? That could be cool. Just my contribution to the discussion. Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:56:55 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Spamster Ted wrote: >It doesn't work for newsgroups and it won't work for napster. Users >will simply pay more attention to >who they are downloading off of Use some imagination... forging "From" headers on newsgroup posts can't be too hard. For Napster, you could plant a few clean tracks in with the fakes, so that a user would never know whether the next download would be a good one, just because the last one was. You could circulate the clean ones from server to server, so that once a "clean" track was discovered and word got out, you'd put in a bogus track and move the clean one somewhere else. Post bogus leads to clean tracks on newsgroups and forums. Make agreements with the owners of thousands of different IP addresses to let Napster requests redirect to your servers, and constantly add new ones to foil filtering. Which one out of thousands of results for Duran Duran's "Come Undone" is going to be the good one, if they're 99% bogus? There's lots that a spammer determined to make a buck or two could think up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:19:01 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Spamster Vickie wrote: >(I just uploaded most of Area's The Perfect Dream >and Nico's Chelsea Girl and all of Isabelle Antena's >De L'amour Et Des Hommes. No one sane would >go to the trouble of screwing around with music like >that.) I agree, though if the bands objected, they'd be the first ones with the motive to do so. In fact, however, those bands probably welcome the publicity. But then, why not go to the trouble of asking them permission first, if only out of respect for the music and the people who made it? It might be rewarding to interact with the bands that way. In effect, you'd be starting your own mp3.com, with a much more selective band list. pb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:45:40 EDT From: Maeve421@aol.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #190 In a message dated 07/04/2000 11:01:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << >> Delving from a tired girl's mind... The Susan McKeown (sp?!!) date, Prospect Park... is where? Tired as I am, I might just fly to where she is... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:30:03 -0500 From: Josh Weichel Subject: Re: Anniversary? o/~ and haven't we been here before ~\o First Tori, now Happy. Why not :) I've got "Don't Want To Hear It" covered! Also, I actually made up some CD artwork for a friend when I dumped my Mini-Disc recording of Happy at EctoFest lastyear to CD, so I'd be more than happy to tweak it for this project. I design as a profession, so I promise no jagged edges or ugly fonts! Do you think it might make sense, depending on volume, to set up a CD dubbing tree for this? - -peace- josh > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:27:30 +0200 > From: "Marcel Rijs" > Subject: Anniversary? > > Hi all, > > I am a little surprised that I didn't hear any more reactions re: the debate > of our 10th anniversary celebration. I think the idea of a Happy Covers disc > was a great one and if everyone would be eager to do this it could turn out to > be a very nice celebration indeed. > > So, to get very concrete right now: are there any people who want to record a > cover of a Happy Rhodes song? I would certainly be willing to compile the disc > but since I live in Europe this may not be the most central place to do so, so > perhaps we would need those people too. And then there's the sleeve design: > there's got to be some creative painters, graphic designers and/or other > artists on the list. > > _If_ we're doing this, and I hope we do, we will have to start now. A year > goes by so quickly! > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Marcel Rijs > afd. Communicatie > marcel.rijs@kb.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:58:33 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Anniversary thing Well, the CD could be part of the event/item, also including writing, artwork, or whatever. Someone would have to keep track of the various projects, but it's worth considering. And I think if we have enough tracks that it overruns the CD, multiple discs could work. But remembe that Ectopia ended up running only a single disc, with many of us having multiple tracks on it. On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 05:43:54PM +1000, Martin G Bridges wrote: > Hi folks, > > Not wanting to be a wet blanket or anything, but I'm not all that keen on > the "Happy Cover CD" idea. > > Let me clarify - I DEFINITELY think we should celebrate the anniversary in > some way. I've been around the list for a long time (I guess sometime around > 93-94 ish) and it's the only list I've stuck around for that long. We should > celebrate the sense of community that the list engenders. > > However, I somehow don't think the cover CD idea is all that "inclusive" > (for want of a better word). By definition, only people with a > musically-creative bent can have input and by further definition, not all of > them can have songs on the CD (there just ain't enough space). > > I guess what I'm saying is that the cover CD sounds OK as part of the > celebration of the anniversary (although I doubt I'd buy it, but that's just > me), but I wouldn't be keen for it to be the one single focal point. Maybe a > T-shirt or poster or something - how about we all arrange to get our > (handwritten) signatures scanned and get the all compiled onto a poster of > some sort? That could be cool. > > Just my contribution to the discussion. > > Cheers, > > Martin - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:59:15 -0400 From: Ted Subject: Re: Spamster Once again this is working from a theory that I do not agree with, the one that supposes that Napster users do not buy CD's. Here's an easy way to predict your premise is faulty should this new "poisoning the well" policy gain popularity, as unlikely as that seems. You will see a drastic drop in sales for the bands and labels that support and subsidize spamming Napster, taking their place will be bands that support sharing MP3s and decentralized internet. Napster users will go on trading with friends as they always have. Let's just wait and see. I will also make the following observation: At this point it doesn't matter if Napster and Gnutella is a boon or a bust to CD sales, Charles Bronfman (Ceo of Segrams, The owner of universal) doesn't like them. Napster and Gnutella have posed a supposed threat to his stranglehold on the music industry, and for that Napster and Gnutella must pay. Every anonymous internet user that could have possibly brought this to pass also must pay. It doesn't matter how many Rock Stars he has to buy off to support his position, he has plenty of money and they have plenty of greed. But his hate is clouding his judgment, that will be his undoing in this matter. Once again, I apologize for being such a gadfly, but I'm only the messenger. Ted btw - Is Segrams still at war with the Germans? Paul Blair wrote: > > Use some imagination... forging "From" headers on newsgroup posts > can't be too hard. For Napster, you could plant a few clean tracks > in with the fakes, so that a user would never know whether the next > download would be a good one, just because the last one was. You > could circulate the clean ones from server to server, so that once a > "clean" track was discovered and word got out, you'd put in a bogus > track and move the clean one somewhere else. Post bogus leads to > clean tracks on newsgroups and forums. Make agreements with the > owners of thousands of different IP addresses to let Napster requests > redirect to your servers, and constantly add new ones to foil > filtering. Which one out of thousands of results for Duran Duran's > "Come Undone" is going to be the good one, if they're 99% bogus? > There's lots that a spammer determined to make a buck or two could > think up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:51 -0500 From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger) Subject: Spamster Yes! I think this is yet another example of how 'smart' bands and labels will get around the Napster/Mp3/piracy issue. The funny thing is, I wonder if someday these Napster-unfriendly MP3's will become collector items. - -Scott >Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:03:24 -0700 >From: "Neil K. Guy" >Subject: Re: Spamster > >At 3:48 PM -0400 7/4/2000, Paul Blair wrote: >>Get permission from bands to use 30 seconds of their songs, fill the >>remaining track time with ads (to make the file size the same as the >>full track), then create all kinds of bogus music servers and spam >>the hell out of Napster, Gnutella, etc. with the fake mp3s. [...] > > We (Nettwerk) just did this for the new Barenaked Ladies single, >actually. You can download the single from Napster, but it's got >voiceovers from two of the guys in the band telling people about the >September release for the new album and stuff. > > Search for the track "Pinch Me." The version that's shorter (4 mins >or so) is funnier. Assuming you can connect to Napster's overloaded >servers at all, that is. > > - Neil K. P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:58:45 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: ecto-digest V6 #190 At 10:45 AM 7/5/00 -0400, Maeve421@aol.com wrote: >Delving from a tired girl's mind... >The Susan McKeown (sp?!!) date, Prospect Park... is where? >Tired as I am, I might just fly to where she is... > >-j Prospect Park, Brooklyn, NY... details and directions at http://www.brooklynx.org/whoweare/celebrate/schedule/index.html Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:29:40 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Some Kristin Hersh solo dates As seen at throwingmusic.com >Kristin Solo Dates > >Here are the latest, confirmed, Kristin Hersh solo dates. More as >they happen. > >Count on these being "Works in Progress" shows featuring new, >unreleased material as well as catalogue. > >12 & 13 August - New York, NY - The Knitting Factory >30 August - Los Angeles, CA - The (new!) Knitting Factory >01 September - San Francisco, CA - Slim's (seated!) >04 September - Seattle, WA - Bumbershoot >10 November - Ridgefield, CT - Aldrich Museum of Contemporary Art > >Tickets for select shows will be available at Virtuous.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:49:00 +0000 From: Terra Incognita Subject: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON Hi EctoFolk, As some of you may know, Happy was signed to Samson Music a while back. Since that time, Samson has split into three labels: 1) Triloka, a world label that Gold Circle Entertainment bought; 2) Samson Music, which is now a soft jazz label; and 3) Brick Red, which caters to rock. Happy, hard at work on her eleventh album, was to continue her career with the company. Samson, unfortunately, recently decided that her music didn't fit into any of the three new categories, and she was dropped from Samson. As some of you may already feel, this is probably the best thing for Happy as Samson wasn't really pushing her career as expected. So, Happy is now without a record label. On a more personal note, I would like to encourage all of Happy's admirers to put your heads together and perhaps come up with some enigmatic or otherwise Happy-friendly labels that might be appropriate for her work. Perhaps a writing campaign--not to Samson, but to a prospective label--might be in order. Keep in mind that larger labels are mostly interested in mediocrity, and smaller labels don't have the financial resources. Thanks for supporting, Sharon Nichols Terra Incognita http://www/geocities/com/runly/terra.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:07:25 -0400 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON > On a more personal note, I would like to encourage all of Happy's > admirers to put your heads together and perhaps come up with some > enigmatic or otherwise Happy-friendly labels that might be appropriate > for her work. Nettwork? Hoping for a new label and new album, I remain Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:19:44 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON DGM (Discipline Global Mobile). Hell, she's already been mentioned in the liner notes of a ProjeKct release, why not check em out. Seriously, I like to think this is the kind of record company that could help Happy, and that Happy is the kind of artist DGM is looking for. Both sides seem to be, and have every right to be, particular, given past experiences. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:48:29 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON On Wed, Jul 05, 2000 at 10:19:44PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > DGM (Discipline Global Mobile). Hell, she's already been mentioned in the > liner notes of a ProjeKct release, why not check em out. I suspect that the most appropriate thing would be for Happy to mention her situation to Trey, since they seem to be on good terms. A word from him would be effective. I suspect, however, that DGM would react very badly to being peppered with email from her fans. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:19:17 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: **HAPPY RHODES DROPPED FROM SAMSON Hi! Well, I can't say this information comes as any surprise. Joe responded to Fog: >I suspect that the most appropriate thing would be for Happy to mention >her situation to Trey, since they seem to be on good terms. A word from >him would be effective. > >I suspect, however, that DGM would react very badly to being peppered >with email from her fans. Agreed 100%, and not just when speaking of DGM, either. No label is going to consider it a good thing if all of a sudden they start getting bombarded with random, unsolicited e-mail from fans of an artist they have never heard of. That's not going to help Happy's cause at all. However, making reasonable suggestions in this forum of labels which Happy might want to consider pursuing is a worthwhile, useful thing for us to do. I agree that DGM might be a good place to start, particulary considering some of the connections Happy has made over the years. They would do well to have more of a female voice on their roster anyway (no pun intended :). Uncle Bob's suggestion of Nettwerk is also a good one. They certainly are no strangers to the electronic and the ethereal. :) My brain is fried right now (I have been retained to fix the most broken web site I have *ever* seen -- I can't even access it, the HTML is so bad it's crashing my browser!), so I can't think of any other suggestions other than silly ones (Righteous Babe? Yeah, right ;)... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #191 **************************