From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #158 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, June 6 2000 Volume 06 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jorane [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] RE: Hmmm? ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] Re: Napster [WretchAwry ] Re: Napster ["glenn mcdonald" ] jess klein/mila drumke [Jess913@aol.com] Re: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven ["Datura Child" ] erin mckeown west coast tour [Jess913@aol.com] Re: Napster [Dave Williamson ] Re: Napster [WretchAwry ] Re: Napster [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Toyah [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: Toyah [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Napster [neal copperman ] Re: Napster [WretchAwry ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Jorane Hi.. Would like to echo what everyone has said about Jorane..Wow! She is stunning and reminds me of Sinead and Tori. Wonderful and essential stuff. Anna Maria np-Jorane-Vent Fou(thanks Bill!) nr-Aldous Huxley_Brave New World __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:20:07 -0700 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 04 June 2000 New Guide entries added for: * Marianne Faithfull * Long Fin Killie * Lisa Nilsson * Perfume Tree Changes made to the entries for: * Laurie Anderson (additional comments) * Arrogant Worms (additional comments) * Arson Garden (brief update) * Björk (additional comments) * Kym Brown (additional comments) * Amy Denio (additional comments) * Ani DiFranco (additional comments) * Melissa Ferrick (additional comments) * Imogen Heap (additional comments) * Veda Hille (additional comments) * Loreena McKennitt (additional comments) * Sarah McLachlan (additional comments) * Alanis Morissette (additional comments) * My Scarlet Life (new album info) * The Nields (new album info) * Rose Polenzani (additional comments) * Jill Sobule (new album info) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:26:10 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Napster Dave Williamson wrote: >You assume that they're selling the shirts above cost and thus >making a profit. >I didn't see any mention of profit in the referenced article.... More to the point, what difference does it make if Napster doesn't profit off the mp3s? If it's theft, whether or not there's a profit is irrelevant. To make it relevant would be as if helping plan a murder is OK as long as you don't do it on your own behalf, or abetting rape is fine as long as you don't enjoy it. pb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:53:54 -0500 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: Hmmm? Jesus and Pals, as I recall. - -----Original Message----- From: kerrywhite@webtv.net [mailto:kerrywhite@webtv.net] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 2:06 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Hmmm? Hi, I've 'known' this, I guess, but the penny just dropped, etc. In Southpark, they gave Jesus a cable show. SOS, anyone? KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:45:33 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Napster At 07:26 AM 6/5/2000 -0400,Paul wrote: Dave Williamson wrote: >> You assume that they're selling the shirts above cost and thus making a profit. >> I didn't see any mention of profit in the referenced article.... True. > More to the point, what difference does it make if Napster doesn't profit off the > mp3s? If it's theft, whether or not there's a profit is irrelevant. To make it relevant > would be as if helping plan a murder is OK as long as you don't do it on your own > behalf, or abetting rape is fine as long as you don't enjoy it. Just because someone can use the telephone to plan a murder or use e-mail to set up a rape doesn't mean that telephones and e-mail should be banned. The Post Office would have been out of business a long time ago if it were held responsible for anything illegal that goes through its system. I take it you didn't find out about Happy through a tape someone made for you. Well, I did, and I'm pretty glad about it, actually. Napster *CAN* be used to distribute entire Britney Spears, Ricky Martin and Metallica albums, but frankly, the people who want those albums for free aren't worth the energy it takes to have a thought process about them. It can *ALSO* be used to spread the sounds of artists we all know and love, therefore getting them new fans. It's hardly any different than the old Ecto Tape Dubbing Project, only cheaper and with instant gratification. Plus you can pick and choose who you want to sample. After months of not paying much attention to Napster, the URL of the speech given by the head of Seagrams sent by Napster of Puppets finally got me off my butt to give it a try. I was on for a couple of days, and in that time I saw plenty of people downoad Happy songs from me. I was thrilled! Unfortunately the bugs in Napster Beta 6 and the inability to get past my firewall in Beta 5 caused me to delete it from my system. As soon as I can, I'm getting back on, because in the time I was there, I was amazed at how wonderful it all was. I quickly used up over 500 megs getting songs, many of which I listened to and then deleted to save hard-drive space . It's true that it's pretty dismal if you have a slow connection, but our DSL made it fairly zippy when downloading things from people with ISDN128 or (especially) above. I was so inspired by how great it was that I've spent the last week in a marathon of ripping frenzy. I'm sampling everyone from Mary Margaret O'Hara to Deux Filles to Anne Pigalle to Stina to Annette Peacock to Marta Sebestyen to Caterwaul to A.C. Marias to Anna Palm to Bel Canto to Iva Bittova to Mari Boine to Najma to Pamela Golden to The Shakers to Wendy MaHarry, among others. I already have almost 1 GB of music from my own CD collection, and as soon as I can, I'll be right there on Napster sharing them. I'm generally making MP3s of 1-4 songs from a CD, more in some cases. I don't feel too bad about ripping an entire CD if it's out-of-print or *extremely* hard-to-find. I just hope others are inspired to do the same thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:19:40 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: Napster > Napster *CAN* be used to distribute entire Britney Spears, Ricky > Martin and Metallica albums, but frankly, the people who want those > albums for free aren't worth the energy it takes to have a thought > process about them. This argument doesn't really work. By the same token you could say that guns *can* be used to shoot people, but the people who would do that aren't worth thinking about. The objections to Napster are because it *is* being used for lots of illegal pirating, not because it couldn't, technically, be used for better things. > I already have almost 1 GB of music from my own CD collection, > and as soon as I can, I'll be right there on Napster sharing them. Did you ask the artists whose music you're distributing if doing so is OK with them? If not, why not? glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:03:15 EDT From: Jess913@aol.com Subject: jess klein/mila drumke hey guys, i just wanted to remind you of jess klein's big 4-show passim stint this weekend. her last boston area shows until october.... with mila drumke opening one night. also, its not in the below email from jess (which i got from her mailing list), but ive been told that free 2-song sampler cds of songs from her new album will be given out at these shows... jess b - ------------------------------------------------- from jess klein: <>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:11:24 EDT From: "Datura Child" Subject: Re: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven In regards to "Lathe": I may not have even been born when this film first aired. I had no idea of its existance, but I stumbled across it last night (luckily in the pledge break just before it started!) and was intregued enough by the Bill Moyers intro and what the on-air staff had to say about it to watch...and was completely blown away. Even though its a bit dated, it was just as enthralling to me as it seems to have been for those of you that saw it the first time around. Since its going to be rebroadcast next week (I'm in Philly too-- thanks for the tip!) I must now rush off and tell everyone I know to watch it...and hopefully get it taped! - -Megan >From: jason and jill >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:13:42 -0400 (EDT) > > >This is complete off-topic, but I had to tell *someone*. ;) > >Back in 1980, PBS aired a movie adaption of Ursula LeGuin's The Lathe of >Heaven. I remember it as being one of the most faithful adapations of >sci-fi book, and one that was concerned with presenting the ideas set >forth by the book, rather than adapting some features and sticking in >explosions and gun battles. Of course, part of my faith in the movie >may have had something to do with my being 11 at the time... > >It appears that others agree, as for the past 20 years it has been PBS' >most requested program, PBS stations have been flooded with mail and >email asking for a repeat showing for years, and one station had so many >requests to its Video Finder Service that it needed to keep a separate >database for Lathe requests. Unfortunately, the contract for the film had >originally been written to allow one or two showings only, with no thought >given to what would happen to the film after that, thereby confusing and >tying up the rights to badly that it was never shown again and was never >released on video. (There are a few bootleg copies around that all trace >back to home tapes of the original airing.) > >Anyway, the rights have finally been settled, and PBS is showing the >movie in June (here in Philadelphia on this Sunday at 9pm and on 6/11 at >11pm). > >You don't get the change to relive your childhood very often. (Of >course, I would have HAD a tape of it for the last 20 years if my mother >hadn't messed with the VCR that afternoon--one of the those 20 lbs. >Panasonic/Quasar monsters where setting it timer involved flicking a >switch, which always produced a giant THUNK sound from the machine!) > >Jason > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:17:36 EDT From: "Datura Child" Subject: Toyah The other day I was sifting through the clearance bin at HMV and came across an album called "The Changling" by an artist named Toyah. The first thing I thought while looking at the cover was that she must be the result of some odd gene-splicing experiment involving Kate Bush and Ziggy Stardust...so of course I bought it on the spot. My first listen only reinforced the image. I loved it. Now, of course, I need to know if she has any more albums. Even if they're on vinyl I'd be willing to track them down.... - -Megan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:44:45 EDT From: Jess913@aol.com Subject: erin mckeown west coast tour Erin McKeown June/July dates: 5 june cafe du nord, san francisco CA 9:30pm $5 415.282.8876 w/MADIGAN 6 june strings, emeryville CA 8pm $5 suggested donation 510.653.5700 7 june KAZU-90.3 FM, pacific grove CA 11am 9 june rose st. house of music, berkeley CA 8pm $10 510-594-4000 ext. MUS 10 june kuumbwa jazz center, santa cruz CA 8pm 877.340.3458 16 june dante's, portland OR 10pm $5 503.226.6630 w/NANCY HESS 17 june wild buffalo, bellingham WA 8.30pm 360.733.7464 18 june tractor tavern, seattle WA 7.30pm 877.340.3458 20 june temple bar, santa monica CA 9pm $5 310.393.6611 22 june linnaea's cafe, san luis obispo CA 8pm 805.541.2463 23 june jolly tiger lounge/the roy, santa barbara CA 9.30pm 805.966.5636 (probably w/ Rose Polenzani) 24 june exile books and music, sherman oaks CA 9pm $8 818.986.6409 25 june claire delune's, san diego CA 8pm 619.688.9845 30 june uncommon ground, chicago IL 8pm $6 773.929.3680 1 july cafe assisi, madison WI 8pm w/ CHRIS PARSLEY 2 july house concert, indianapolis IN 7pm $10 w/ROSE POLENZANI 11 july IOTA, arlington VA 8pm please call about which shows are 21+ as always, for a complete tour listing: www.erinmckeown.com/tour.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:17:24 -0400 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: Napster The Internet is a wonderful new medium for music distribution. It is just unfortunate that people like you feel it is within their rights to distribute it. Artists are all more than well aware of this medium and its potential. Those that want the exposure, and that want to make their stuff available for open sampling will do so. There are also numerous legitimate places to sample an artist's music on the web - clips abound on every CD retail web site out there. The clips may be short, but they can quickly give you a feel for things. Napster is nothing more than a source for piracy - trying to defend it as anything else is just plain hiding reality. I took one browse through it to see what all the fuss was about and found nothing but entire album and catalogue ripoffs, and bootlegs. The cassette tape argument just does not fly - quality and longevity of medium put that to bed immediately. Sorry folks, but I want good music to continue to exist - it will do so if we pay for it. Proliferation and continuation of Napster-like technology will destroy everything but commercial radio pap. Dave. WretchAwry wrote: > Just because someone can use the telephone to plan a murder or > use e-mail to set up a rape doesn't mean that telephones and e-mail > should be banned. The Post Office would have been out of business a > long time ago if it were held responsible for anything illegal that goes > through its system. > > I take it you didn't find out about Happy through a tape someone > made for you. Well, I did, and I'm pretty glad about it, actually. > > Napster *CAN* be used to distribute entire Britney Spears, Ricky > Martin and Metallica albums, but frankly, the people who want those > albums for free aren't worth the energy it takes to have a thought > process about them. > > It can *ALSO* be used to spread the sounds of artists we all know > and love, therefore getting them new fans. It's hardly any different > than the old Ecto Tape Dubbing Project, only cheaper and with > instant gratification. Plus you can pick and choose who you want > to sample. > > After months of not paying much attention to Napster, the URL > of the speech given by the head of Seagrams sent by Napster > of Puppets finally got me off my butt to give it a try. I was on for > a couple of days, and in that time I saw plenty of people downoad > Happy songs from me. I was thrilled! > > Unfortunately the bugs in Napster Beta 6 and the inability > to get past my firewall in Beta 5 caused me to delete it from my > system. As soon as I can, I'm getting back on, because in the > time I was there, I was amazed at how wonderful it all was. I > quickly used up over 500 megs getting songs, many of which I > listened to and then deleted to save hard-drive space . It's true that > it's pretty dismal if you have a slow connection, but our DSL made > it fairly zippy when downloading things from people with ISDN128 > or (especially) above. > > I was so inspired by how great it was that I've spent the last week > in a marathon of ripping frenzy. I'm sampling everyone from Mary > Margaret O'Hara to Deux Filles to Anne Pigalle to Stina to Annette > Peacock to Marta Sebestyen to Caterwaul to A.C. Marias to Anna > Palm to Bel Canto to Iva Bittova to Mari Boine to Najma to Pamela > Golden to The Shakers to Wendy MaHarry, among others. I already > have almost 1 GB of music from my own CD collection, and as soon > as I can, I'll be right there on Napster sharing them. I'm generally > making MP3s of 1-4 songs from a CD, more in some cases. I don't > feel too bad about ripping an entire CD if it's out-of-print or *extremely* > hard-to-find. I just hope others are inspired to do the same thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:12:08 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Napster At 02:19 PM 6/5/2000 -0400, glenn wrote: > > I already have almost 1 GB of music from my own CD collection, > > and as soon as I can, I'll be right there on Napster sharing them. > >Did you ask the artists whose music you're distributing if doing so is >OK with them? If not, why not? No, and I didn't ask them before I played them on my radio show, or put their music on the Ecto sampler tapes either. If any artist doesn't want their music heard, I'll be glad to take them off my hard drive. If I'm left with only Happy's music to share, then fine. She knows the value of sharing music, which has led to the fan base she has, and indeed, to the existence of this very mailing list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:18:45 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Napster On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 08:17:24PM -0400, Dave Williamson wrote: > Proliferation and continuation of Napster-like technology will destroy everything but commercial > radio pap. Two relevant quotes: 1. "Home taping is killing music." 2. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Discuss the interaction of these ideas in essay form. The result will count toward 20% of your grade. :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:18:23 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Toyah Datura Child sez: > > The other day I was sifting through the clearance bin at HMV and came across > an album called "The Changling" by an artist named Toyah. The first thing I > thought while looking at the cover was that she must be the result of some > odd gene-splicing experiment involving Kate Bush and Ziggy Stardust...so of > course I bought it on the spot. My first listen only reinforced the image. I > loved it. Toyah's been around for twenty-plus years, I guess. She's had a rather large number of albums, some of which have been done collaboratively with her husband, Robert Fripp and/or other members of King Crimson. You can find a discography, amongst other places, at: http://home.t-online.de/home/marion.heiko.kondritz/t_disco.htm jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:30:38 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Toyah My favorite recording of her is "Sunday All Over the World", a collaboration with her husband, guitarist Robert Fripp, and other eventual members of King Crimson. She also has several solo recordings, has done quite a bit of acting and is now, if memory serves, hosting a British TV show and providing one of the voices for the Teletubbies (though that last may just be rumor). On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 06:17:36PM -0400, Datura Child wrote: > > The other day I was sifting through the clearance bin at HMV and came across > an album called "The Changling" by an artist named Toyah. The first thing I > thought while looking at the cover was that she must be the result of some > odd gene-splicing experiment involving Kate Bush and Ziggy Stardust...so of > course I bought it on the spot. My first listen only reinforced the image. I > loved it. > > Now, of course, I need to know if she has any more albums. Even if they're > on vinyl I'd be willing to track them down.... > > -Megan > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:31:38 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Napster At 7:12 PM -0500 6/5/00, WretchAwry wrote: >No, and I didn't ask them before I played them on my radio show, >or put their music on the Ecto sampler tapes either. If any artist >doesn't want their music heard, I'll be glad to take them off my >hard drive. If I'm left with only Happy's music to share, then fine. >She knows the value of sharing music, which has led to the >fan base she has, and indeed, to the existence of this very >mailing list. Seems to me Happy would be one of the first people to be anti-napster. If she knows the value of sharing music, it certainly isn't evident in her support of distributing things like bootlegs of her shows or the prism tape. I've always been amazed that her fan base is so strong given her opposition to sharing. neal np: lili - lili haydn nr: yo - julia alvarez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:32:37 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Napster At 08:17 PM 6/5/2000 -0400, Dave wrote: > Proliferation and continuation of Napster-like technology will destroy > everything but commercial radio pap. I feel just the opposite, that Napster-like technology can, if used by people like us (ectophiles, people who care about good music) help good artists sell more CDs. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #158 **************************