From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #155 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, June 3 2000 Volume 06 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mary Lydia Ryan ON THE ROAD in WA, ID, UT [neal copperman ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven [FAMarcus@aol.com] Lisa Cerbone news [Paul Blair ] Anyone remember the band Grace Darling? [WretchAwry ] Napster ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] Lathe [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Hmmm? [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Napster [WretchAwry ] Re: Napster [canetoad@panix.com] Re: Anyone remember the band Grace Darling? [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:44:09 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Mary Lydia Ryan ON THE ROAD in WA, ID, UT At 8:29 PM -0700 6/1/00, Neile Graham wrote: >>June 14th - Layton, UT Wow, I went to high school in Layton Utah, and don't remember anyone ever playing there. Course, I don't even think there was the Barnes & Nobels store (site of this concert) then either. And just 3 days before my birthday too. I'd consider making a road trip if I wasn't going to be in Florida that weekend. Hey, there's no ectophiles in Florida, are there? neal np: Middlesence - Amy Rigby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:48:12 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven At 11:13 PM -0400 6/1/00, jason and jill wrote: >This is complete off-topic, but I had to tell *someone*. ;) > >Back in 1980, PBS aired a movie adaption of Ursula LeGuin's The Lathe of >Heaven. I remember it as being one of the most faithful adapations of >sci-fi book, and one that was concerned with presenting the ideas set >forth by the book, rather than adapting some features and sticking in >explosions and gun battles. Of course, part of my faith in the movie >may have had something to do with my being 11 at the time... Let's see, I was 15, but it had the same impact on me. One of the best things I have ever seen on telivision. I managed to see it twice when it was aired, and was completely blown away. Maybe I'll actually try to invite myself over to someone's house to watch it. neal np: Middlesence - Amy Rigby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************* Perttu Yli-Krekola (ylikreko@tre.tele.nokia.fi) ************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Dr. Firewall Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:55:36 EDT From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Utterly off-topic - Lathe of Heaven In a message dated 6/1/00 11:51:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jgreshes@netaxs.com writes: << I would have HAD a tape of it for the last 20 years if my mother hadn't messed with the VCR that afternoon--one of the those 20 lbs. Panasonic/Quasar monsters where setting it timer involved flicking a switch, which always produced a giant THUNK sound from the machine!) Jason >> i was one of those that taped it with my quasar vcr at the time. its kept for almost 22 years because of the way i store my library. i built a room in the basement that is cool, dark and like the rest of my home, temperature controled. the problem is that the quality of the machines back then was very grainy at times, depending on the cable transmission. i just wanted to thank you for bringing this up as i can now replace the copy with something better. fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:31:38 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Lisa Cerbone news No dates, but mp3s and a new CD in the works. paul >Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:09:58 -0400 >To: zoe@clark.net >From: Eric Jensen >Subject: Lisa Cerbone mp3s and other things > > >Hello everyone, > >It's been a while since my last email; I hope everyone is doing well.  > >In personal news, my son was born in September and is now almost >eight months old! Time goes by so quickly. I'm having a lot of fun >being a new parent and seeing the world through his eyes. It has >been a joyful time. > >Music News: >We're still recording the new CD. Recording has resumed and it is >still being produced by Mark Kozelek. Mark plays a lot of guitar in >his signature atmospheric style, his lo-fi acoustic style, and he >adds some Sonic Youthish distortion, if you can believe it. My >husband, Eric, is doing the engineering. I know it's taking a long >time to get finished, but it will be worth the wait, I think.  > >Movie News: >The indie film, "An Intimate Friendship" will be using the song "Watching >You Drown" in a scene. The movie can be seen in film festivals around the >country. > >Free MP3s: >MP3s of newer songs unavailable on any recording (Last Week and Swallowing >Stones), and songs from Mercy and Close Your Eyes can >be found on the updated website: http://www.lisacerbone.com. Or you >can go to http://www.mp3.com/lisacerbone and >http://www.iuma.com/lcerbone directly. > >Mercy and Close Your Eyes are still available. >Http://www.cdbaby.com/cerbone97 and >http://www.amazon.com give the quickest service and their sites are secure >for easy credit card ordering. You can also order via the website using the >order form. > >I will probably be doing some scattered dates by late summer. I'll >keep you posted. > >Until then, >Lisa Cerbone >New email: elm@veriomail.com >http://www.lisacerbone.com >http://www.mp3.com/lisacerbone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:14:18 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Anyone remember the band Grace Darling? The band on Sardonic (with a re-release on C'est le Mort), not this chick who goes by that name who has an album out. I just found this web site, and because I found it a few months late, I missed getting their new album in its entirety FREE on MP3. Still, we can enjoy the ones that are still there. http://www.sardonique.com/Grace.html Val Martino's voice is still as wonderful as ever. Gregory A. Simpson's songs are still as wonderful as ever. It's nice to know they haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:50:49 -0500 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: Napster I thought this was a pretty funny article from sonicnet on the whole Napster debate. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Offspring Turn Tables On Napster, Selling T-Shirts Without Permission Source close to band calls the sales, a potential trademark infringement, a prank. Senior Writer Chris Nelson reports: Napster Inc., maker of the controversial MP3-trading software of the same name, has had the tables turned on it by one of the company's most outspoken allies - punk pranksters the Offspring. Wednesday night, the band began selling T-shirts, hats and stickers emblazoned with the Napster logo on their Web site (www.offspring.com) without permission from the San Mateo, Calif., company. "It's all fair," said a source close to the band who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We've already said you guys [can use] our stuff - we're gonna do yours, too. You shouldn't have any problem with that, should you?" Napster spokesperson Tracy Mlakar said she was unaware of the sales. A representative from the company was not immediately available to discuss the situation, she said. Napster is a popular software program that links its users online by the thousands. It allows them to easily search one another's MP3 collections, then download particular songs. But the company is under fire from hard-rockers Metallica, rapper Dr. Dre and the Recording Industry Association of America, all of whom have sued the company, charging its software enables copyright infringement. The Offspring, known for sneering pop and punk hits such as "Why Don't You Get a Job" (RealAudio excerpt), have so far supported the idea of people trading their work online. "The Offspring view MP3 technology and programs such as Napster as being a vital and necessary means to promote music and foster better relationships with our fans," reads a statement on their Web site. The Napster name and logo are trademarks owned by the company, and may not be used by other parties, according to the Napster Web site (www.napster.com). Andrew Krents, a lawyer who has fought trademark battles for punk outfit Furious George, said that while he did not know the specifics of the situation, the Offspring are conceivably engaged in trademark infringement. "They're saying there are other examples of intellectual property that people can fool around with," Krents said. The source close to the band said selling Napster gear is all meant in good fun, but that the company's reaction could be telling. "It would be very interesting if they would go, 'We're going to send them a cease and desist [order],' " said the source. " 'Cause it would all of a sudden expose a huge hypocrisy. "Or, it would really, really be interesting if all of a sudden they say, 'We think that's cool. We hope that more bands do that, because the more Napster T-shirts out there, the cooler it is.' Ah! [That would suggest] these guys are genuine." [ Fri., June 2, 2000 2:16 PM EDT ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:02:45 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Lathe Hi, As some [here] know, I work at a PBS station. I caught a preview feed of the movie a month ago and have seen the final product. I have just the movie, they have added a 5 min open with Bill Moyers and a follow-up interview with Ursula K LeGuin. It's still in mono. The prog has built in mid break which will be used by many stations as a pledge break. The original post should have included CYLL. As The stations all have their own tapes to show whenever they want. My station is waiting until August!! bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:05:51 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Hmmm? Hi, I've 'known' this, I guess, but the penny just dropped, etc. In Southpark, they gave Jesus a cable show. SOS, anyone? KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:52:21 -0500 From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Napster At 01:50 PM 6/2/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I thought this was a pretty funny article from sonicnet on the whole Napster >debate. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Offspring Turn Tables On Napster, Selling T-Shirts Without Permission > ^^^^^^^^ Yes, but the difference is that Napster makes NO money from the people who use Napster or any of the MP3s that get traded using the Napster program. For a prank from a supposedly "supportive" band, that's really putting Napster in a bad spot. Idiots. Here's another really good editorial about Napster by Greatful Dead lyricist and co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, John Perry Barlow: http://www.technocrat.net/958163435/index_html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: canetoad@panix.com Subject: Re: Napster > Here's another really good editorial about Napster by Greatful Dead > lyricist and co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, John > Perry Barlow: > > http://www.technocrat.net/958163435/index_html And, while we're on the topic, a couple of amusing takes from The Brunching Shuttlecocks: http://www.brunching.com/features/feature-metallicaletter.html http://www.brunching.com/features/feature-napstercontest.html - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:00:47 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Anyone remember the band Grace Darling? I wish I hadn't missed the whole album, but it's great to have a few more songs from them. They're another band I discovered from Vickie's great Femme Music Collection tapes back in ecto's early days. I should write them and let them know about their page on The Ectophiles' Guide.... Thanks for letting us know about this, Vickie! - --Neile At 1:14 PM -0500 6/2/00, WretchAwry wrote: >The band on Sardonic (with a re-release on C'est le Mort), >not this chick who goes by that name who has an album out. > >I just found this web site, and because I found it >a few months late, I missed getting their new album >in its entirety FREE on MP3. > >Still, we can enjoy the ones that are still there. > >http://www.sardonique.com/Grace.html > >Val Martino's voice is still as wonderful as ever. >Gregory A. Simpson's songs are still as wonderful as ever. >It's nice to know they haven't disappeared off the face of >the earth. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #155 **************************