From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #87 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 06 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hello and sad news [Amanda Williams ] Re: sarah harmer [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Hello and sad news [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: sarah harmer ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: Hello and sad news [Amanda Williams ] The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. ["Adam Kimmel" ] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [Dirk Kastens ] Underwater and Frolic ["Craig Gidney" ] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [James Mitchel] The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [Greg Dunn ] aimee mann ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: aimee mann [RocketsTail@aol.com] Dot Allison [RocketsTail@aol.com] Re: aimee mann [jburka@min.net] Re: aimee mann [RocketsTail@aol.com] Lili Hayden [jjhanson@att.net] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. ["Adam Kimmel"] Re: Dot Allison [John Drummond ] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. ["Anthony Kosk] Re: sarah harmer [Dave Williamson ] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [Dave Williams] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [Sue Trowbridg] Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. [Greg Dunn ] Re: sarah harmer [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:59:01 +1000 (EST) From: Amanda Williams Subject: Hello and sad news Hello 8-) I thought I would delurk after being on Ecto now for about a year. You guys are right on the pulse when it comes to this music - you have opened the door for me in terms of finding new artists to enjoy! I adore KaTe but also love Happy and Tori (when I am in black moods) and Bjork, and thanks to Ecto I have discovered Lamb, Moorcheeba, Kristen Hersch, Milla and Fiona Apple I am sure that there will be many more. I hale from Melbourne, the town down there on the south-east corner of the mainland just opposite that island on the bottom right corner of your map of Oz.. :-) We have a very energetic music scene which I try to keep informed about by reading that wonderful "beat" magazine which is free at most happening cafes and nightspots, but unfortunately I don't get to many live gigs cos I am currently working full-time and studying my masters part-time. I am open to the idea of trading Australian music for American or even European music (a la Diamanda Galas) because we cannot buy many of them out here..the only way i could get my hot little hands on millas albums and MWABT was when friends went on holiday to America! Just thought I would pass on this sad news about one of the founders of the Australian Punk movement... At this time I would like to propose a minute's silence to mourn the premature passing of Ian Dury at the young age of 57. A greatly admired and respected Australian musician, he will be sorely missed. Along with his band, The Blockheads, he is responsible for shaping the way we remember the music of the seventies and eighties. As we ponder his life and achievements, let us reflect on the true, deeper meaning of his lyrics. I present to you: Hit me with your rhythm stick Hit me slowly Hit me quick Hit me with your rhythm stick. J. 'I've lost my memory, but I mean to get it back!' - -Queen Mary, grandmother to Elizabeth II, when aged 85 _________________________________________________________________ Amanda Williams, RACO Librarian and Webmaster Conjoint Libraries of the Royal Victorian Eye and Ear Hospital and the Royal Australian College of Ophthalmologists 32 Gisborne Street East Melbourne 3002 Victoria Australia Ph: +61 3 9929 8710 Fax: +61 3 9639 1808 Work Email: awilliams@rveeh.vic.gov.au Webpage: http://www.rveeh.vic.gov.au/library/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:09:10 -0500 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: sarah harmer On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Michael Curry wrote: > At 08:26 PM 3/27/00 -0500, meredith wrote: > >Hi! > > > >Okay, so this is what you all need to do. Open up your favorite > >browser window, type , and order her > >new solo CD, _You Were Here_. That's an order. :) > > > I'm on my second listen for this CD, and I gotta agree... it's > the first new CD this year to really grab me and it'll definitely > make my top 10 of the year. After hearing her do some of the > songs live in woj-n-meth's apartment I expected it to be pretty > good, but it isn't... it's great! :) Allow me to 'third' this order. I enjoyed seeing Sarah Harmer (and the rest of the performers) live, but her CD is really quite excellent...probably one of the best CDs I've got this year as well! I just finished putting up some pictures from the concert, at: http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/script.cgi?stext=&page=12&Show=Show&options=D&options=T&options=U&options=W Or if you have problems with long URLs: http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery/script.cgi?stext=&page=12 - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:09:44 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello and sad news In a message dated 3/28/00 2:03:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, nonnie@zikzak.net writes: << At this time I would like to propose a minute's silence to mourn the premature passing of Ian Dury at the young age of 57. >> can you elablorate on his passing??? this is the first ive heard of it. i got a huge kick out of his work back then. fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:25:08 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: sarah harmer > Okay, so this is what you all need to do. Open up your favorite browser > window, type , and order her new solo CD, _You > Were Here_. That's an order. :) I have complied. Those of you attempting to do likewise may find it helpful to insert an extra "h" into the middle of the URL above... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:28:41 +1000 (EST) From: Amanda Williams Subject: Re: Hello and sad news On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/00 2:03:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, > nonnie@zikzak.net writes: > > << At this time I would like to propose a minute's silence to mourn the > premature > passing of Ian Dury at the young age of 57. >> > > > can you elablorate on his passing??? this is the first ive heard of it. i > got a huge kick out of his work back then. > fred > That is all I know, I am afraid Also I should publish an erratum: one of my friends said he was Australian, but it looks like he was British... Sorry about that THey have a really cool photo of him on his website http://www.iandury.co.uk/ amanda 'I've lost my memory, but I mean to get it back!' - -Queen Mary, grandmother to Elizabeth II, when aged 85 _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:50:04 +0100 From: "Adam Kimmel" Subject: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. I know, I know -- We all wish that Aimee had won and achieved the recognition that she deserved, but let's look at the bright side: just by doing the soundtrack, just by getting nominated, she's finally overcome the uncertainty of the past few years and made her mark on a wider public consciousness. She didn't win this battle, but she's set to win the war. As for Phil: let's not be too hard on the diminutive little slapheaded crooner. What he deserves, above all, is not an Oscar, but PITY. Here is a man who was once one of the most formidably inspired percussionists and drummers of his time, a man much in demand in the 70's who even contributed to Brian Eno's seminal "Another Green World", a man who drummed and sang for one of the most imaginative, compelling and accomplished bands of the 70's (there's a reason that Genesis are in the "coming soon" list of the Ecto music guide, and it sure ain't "Invisible Touch") -- here's a man who threw it all away to become an oily, simpering, two-faced, Thatcherite, arena-filling, tax-exiled, corporate MOR balladeer. He sold his soul, and the devil collected early. In a cruel paradox, those of us lucky to remember him as a skilled musician are doomed to watch him as a performing dog. There is nothing more tragic than a wasted talent, and Phil Collins' decline is the most tragic of all. Let him serve as a warning to us all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:24:52 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Michelle Young and Spacey wins Hi.. Surprise, surprise..I've found a new siren to enthuse about and she sounds like Kate..Her name is Michelle Young and her site is www.michelleyoung.com. Has stuff at mp3 too. Her resemblance to Kate is uncanny both vocally and songwise.I know I should be excited by electronic polkas or something instead. But damn I am a sucker for that style. Go check her out. John, you may love her. Oh and the Spacey oscar win had me cheering. Not only that but Hilary Swank wins too and both hold great speeches. Hope Hilary's continued career will be good too. Anna Maria np-Bird York nr-Leslie Forbes-Bombay Ice __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:26:04 +1000 From: "Martin G Bridges" Subject: Ian Dury Hi folks, As someone has already noted, Ian Dury sadly passed away today. He'd been fighting cancer for a long while. Farewell to one of the great originals. Martin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:48:43 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. Hi, At 10:50 28.03.00 +0100, Adam Kimmel wrote: >There is nothing more tragic than a wasted talent, and Phil Collins' decline >is the most tragic of all. Let him serve as a warning to us all. Uh, that's hard, man. But you are right. After he left Genesis he said that he wanted to leave the pop business and take a more serious direction, concentrate on African music and so on. What he's doing todate - well you said it all. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:43:36 -0500 From: "Craig Gidney" Subject: Underwater and Frolic - --0__=nNKOZh0mwiq9s8AN5USGBaHuCVI4B5jyLnAzLTPxZLaN6sSewonPxmM4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Neile: feel free to use these descriptions for the Ectophiles Guide. - --Craig Underwater, I Could Lose. This Chris Vrenna produced CD mixes moody electronics, skittering rhythms and the stunning voice of Melissa Mileski into a trip-hop masterpiece. The music has a dark feel, but it never loses sight of melody; it - --0__=nNKOZh0mwiq9s8AN5USGBaHuCVI4B5jyLnAzLTPxZLaN6sSewonPxmM4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ?s highly reminiscent of Heather Duby?s debut, with classical and ambient textures nesting in industrial-lite grooves. It?s the perfect = setting for Mileski?s vocals. Whereas Duby?s voice is distant and analytical, = Mileski dives straight into the mess of human emotion. It?s a melodramatic (in= a good way) voice that goes from a slurred, operatic alto to an eerie little g= irl soprano. She reminds me of Alison Shaw of the Cranes, with greater dep= th and range. The sudden shifts she makes with her voice are unexpected and a= re thoroughly in service of the music, rather than showing off. The resul= t is instant transportation to songs? emotional states. Frolic, Permafrost. There?s a sub-genre of ambient music called isolat= ionism, dark-ambient or ?illbient?, practiced by the likes of Steve Roach, Robe= rt Rich and Vidna Obmana, in which texture and mood reigns supreme over any dis= cernable melody. Typically, these piece drift and meander, with frosty syntheti= cs and subliminal side-effects (waves, rain, a distorted voice). The results = are lovely, if clinical evocations of lonely states and spiritual malaise--= New Age?s morose relative, banished to the attic. Frolic mixes Matthew Chinn?s dark-ambient music with Kelly O?Brien?s Snow Queen vocals and the occas= ional crystalline guitar. Permafrost is beautiful and chilling: O?Brien?s v= oice is encased in the ice floes of Chinn?s electronic winterscape. Lyrics, m= eaning, and melody are almost beside the point. Isolation-both the joy of and = the terror of--is what this album expertly evokes. = - --0__=nNKOZh0mwiq9s8AN5USGBaHuCVI4B5jyLnAzLTPxZLaN6sSewonPxmM4-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:25:14 -0600 From: James Mitchell Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. Adam Kimmel wrote: > In a cruel paradox, those of us lucky to remember him as a skilled musician > are doomed to watch him as a performing dog. I had noticed that Phil dummed on 'Another Green World.' It didn't quite make sense to me, and I figured there must have been some sort of heinous disconect in my understanding of the world. I guess not. - -James james_r_mitchell@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:53:07 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. > There is nothing more tragic than a wasted talent, and Phil Collins' decline > is the most tragic of all. Let him serve as a warning to us all. So very true. It's been extremely painful to watch Genesis slump from the brilliant, if erratic "Lamb" all the way down to "We Can't Dance". Urp. I didn't think they would survive Gabriel's departure, but the (underrated!) Steve Hackett kept them afloat a little longer. When he left, though, it was only a matter of time until Collins overwhelmed what original ideas were offered by Rutherford and Banks (whom I still respect, ghu knows why). Doubly sad because I remember seeing the band play back in the 70s, where Collins added some marvelous counterpoint to the music with his delightfully energetic and unorthodox fills on every tune. It really was a band back then, able to emerge from the clashing of egos with flair and humor... - -- | Greg Dunn | And did your mother lie to you? | | gregdunn@indy.net | You got God and death confused | | gregdunn@aol.com | I can't blame it on your soul | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | There's nowhere else it could go | | | Heather Nova | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:20:31 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 01:48:43PM +0200, Dirk Kastens wrote: > But you are right. After he left Genesis he said that > he wanted to leave the pop business and take a > more serious direction, concentrate on African > music and so on. What he's doing todate - well > you said it all. Apparently by "African music" he meant scoring "Tarzan". - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:39:47 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 09:25:14AM -0600, James Mitchell wrote: > Adam Kimmel wrote: > > > In a cruel paradox, those of us lucky to remember him as a skilled musician > > are doomed to watch him as a performing dog. > > I had noticed that Phil dummed on 'Another Green World.' He did play percussion on it, but I think he began dumming soon thereafter :-) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:52:41 -0500 From: Ted Jacobs Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. Well, I take great interest in this discourse, I have always thought the story of PC and PG would make an excellent play. I don't like Phil's singing one bit, but I admire him as a person, The pop culture critic Joe Queenan once listed him as the second to worst singers of all time, to paraphrase (sorry i don't remember the exact quote) Queenan: " In summary Phil Collins is a bald bland Englishman but his suckiness is not as memorable as Billy Joel's.... I can only name a few songs that I can remember of Phil Collins that suck, and in the case of Billy Joel I can name fifty songs off of the top of my head that suck." (Red Lobster, White Trash, and The Blue Lagoon) However there will always be a soft spot in my heart for Phil Collins because he helped bail Peter Gabriel out of a huge financial bind following his first Womad disaster, and helped get PG's feet back on the ground . I often wonder how I would have been affected if I were as talented of a drummer as Phil, but constantly under the shadow of one of the most talented performers in history. The agony of 2 egos so huge! Phil is an open book, he may garner Oscars and Grammies after Grammies, but he will never be Peter Gabriel. And he knows it. But in the end, it matters just as much (at least IMHO) to be a good person as it does to be a good singer, so I don't write Phil off altogether. Adam Kimmel wrote: > I know, I know -- We all wish that Aimee had won and achieved the > recognition that she deserved, but let's look at the bright side: just by > doing the soundtrack, just by getting nominated, she's finally overcome the > uncertainty of the past few years and made her mark on a wider public > consciousness. She didn't win this battle, but she's set to win the war. > > As for Phil: let's not be too hard on the diminutive little slapheaded > crooner. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: more sarah harmer/weeping tile okay, i went to sarahHarmer.com to comply with meth's order... who was it looking for eePee and Cold Snap? they are both listed as available on the web site. $12 and $15 can. respectively. - -- d. np star ghost dog _the great indoors_ (speaking of complying with (implicit) orders) - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:56:29 EST From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: aimee mann Hi all. My copies of _I'm With Stupid_ and _Bachelor No. 2_ finally arrived yesterday. I was actually playing _Whatever_ when I noticed the box, so I decided to finish that album and then play the others in order. IWS only got one listen last night, then I listened to BN2, which also got played this morning. I really like this album. It has this familiarity to it in a way, that I was singing along to the choruses even on the first listen. It's strange but good to hear "Nothing Is Good Enough" (is that the right title?) with lyrics. I'm also really glad to get "Deathly" on another cd since that is my favorite song from the Magnolia soundtrack. IWS didn't strike me as much, but I think it just needs some growing time. I'm used to Aimee with a mellower sound. I was very surprised to see that she doesn't have a Guide entry yet. If no one is working on this right now, I'd be happy to make one for her. JoAnn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:04:23 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: aimee mann I love Aimee, her songwriting skills are flawless. Anyway, I have "MAGNOLIA" and lots of MP3s but I'm working on getting her albums!!! Yes I agree, "nothing is good enough" with lyrics is awesome!!! -Eric "I'm creating a brain cell, so I can live inside your head" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:16:10 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Dot Allison Has anyone heard Dot Allison? I haven't heard anything by her and wanted to check her...is she recommended by you guys? :) -Eric "I'm creating a brain cell, so I can live inside your head" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: aimee mann joann sez: > [I'm With Stupid] didn't > strike me as much, but I think it just needs some growing time. I'm used to > Aimee with a mellower sound. Or not. This is, in my mind, the worst of the lot, and one I play rather infrequently. I probably like it more now than when I bought it, what, five years ago, but I'm still not crazy about it. It has some great moments ("Amateur", the song from the Melrose Place album, and the fabulous line, "so row, row, row your boat gently down the stream / hope you drown and never come back..."), but then I could just as easily never hear "Superball" ever again. jeff n.p. _Lili_, Lili Hayden (anyone know what's she's up to? I still really love this album and want more!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:27:06 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: aimee mann In a message dated 3/28/00 3:25:49 PM Central Standard Time, jburka@min.net writes: << but then I could just as easily never hear "Superball" ever again. >> I actually really like that song! I love "Amateur" though, good pick :) -Eric "I'm creating a brain cell, so I can live inside your head" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:35:04 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Lili Hayden Jeff Burka asked what Lili Hayden's been up to... I don't know a whole lot, but I do know that she plays on a couple of the instrumental tracks on the new Wild Colonials compilation of film music. These tracks are awesome--I believe the tracks she plays on are by Triptych (one of my favorites), and one by Shark n' the Smoke. All the songs are by Wild Colonials, or bands that members of the WC are associated with. Jeff Hanson n.p. Stephen Duffy: They Called Him Tintin n.r. Great Expectations - Charles Dickens ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:35:10 +0100 From: "Adam Kimmel" Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. Do we get personal with Phil? Is he a "nice" person? This is the man who crooned "Another Day in Paradise", a plea for the homeless, while throwing his weight behind Thatcher, whose policies landed vast numbers of people on the streets in the first place, removing any safety net for them. This is the man who loudly declared, in '92, that if Labour won the general elections he would leave the country. Then, when they lost, he left anyway, ditching his wife and moving with his new girlfriend to Switzerland to live in tax-exile. Listen to Brand X's "Unorthodox Behaviour"; listen to the powerful but off-centre drumming on the first "Genesis Live"; listen to the funky, jazzy chops he lends to "Another Green World". Then listen to the monotonous auto-pilot of "Invisible Touch" and grieve, grieve, grieve. (This isn't very ecto, is it?) nl: The eels -- Daisies of the Galaxy nr: back of a cereal packet (it's harder than it sounds) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Jacobs To: Adam Kimmel Cc: ecto list Sent: 28 March 2000 20:52 Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. > Well, I take great interest in this discourse, I have always thought the > story of PC and PG would make an excellent play. I don't like Phil's > singing one bit, but I admire him as a person, The pop culture critic > Joe Queenan once listed him as the second to worst singers of all time, > to paraphrase (sorry i don't remember the exact quote) Queenan: > > " In summary Phil Collins is a bald bland Englishman but his suckiness is not > as memorable as Billy Joel's.... I can only name a few songs that I can > remember of Phil Collins that suck, and in the case of Billy Joel I can name > fifty songs off of the top of my head that suck." (Red Lobster, White Trash, and > The Blue Lagoon) > > However there will always be a soft spot in my heart for Phil Collins because > he helped bail Peter Gabriel out of a huge financial bind following his first > Womad > disaster, and helped get PG's feet back on the ground . I often wonder how I > would > have been affected if I were as talented of a drummer as Phil, but constantly > under the > shadow of one of the most talented performers in history. The agony of 2 egos so > huge! > Phil is an open book, he may garner Oscars and Grammies after Grammies, but he > will > never be Peter Gabriel. And he knows it. > > But in the end, it matters just as much (at least IMHO) to be a good person as > it does to be > a good singer, so I don't write Phil off altogether. > > > > Adam Kimmel wrote: > > > I know, I know -- We all wish that Aimee had won and achieved the > > recognition that she deserved, but let's look at the bright side: just by > > doing the soundtrack, just by getting nominated, she's finally overcome the > > uncertainty of the past few years and made her mark on a wider public > > consciousness. She didn't win this battle, but she's set to win the war. > > > > As for Phil: let's not be too hard on the diminutive little slapheaded > > crooner. > > ------------------------------ Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:46:00 -0800 From: John Drummond Subject: Re: Dot Allison > Has anyone heard Dot Allison? She's okay... I liked the promo single I got before the album release, but overall it's kind of chilly... there's not a lot of Dot there to be had, so to speak, in that she is really pretty detached from most of the music, it seems... at least, that's the impression that I got... and it's not that the music is bad at all, because there really was some interesting innovations going on as far as what they're doing with electronic music etc... but the singers I prefer are the ones who get their hands bloody with their songs, and Dot didn't, as far as I can tell. Well, unless of course she cut herself accidentally and bled on a guitar or something in the studio, but that's obviously not what I meant. ;D John [probably only funny to me] Two-person quote du jour of the day : (after a slight lull in the online banter) ME: *stretch* What are you up to, Baby? HIM: fuggin' w/ peeple and listening to the newest styles available ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:54:12 -0800 From: "Anthony Kosky" Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. Greg Dunn wrote: > > > There is nothing more tragic than a wasted talent, and Phil Collins' decline > > is the most tragic of all. Let him serve as a warning to us all. > > So very true. It's been extremely painful to watch Genesis slump from the > brilliant, if erratic "Lamb" all the way down to "We Can't Dance". Urp. > I didn't think they would survive Gabriel's departure, but the (underrated!) > Steve Hackett kept them afloat a little longer. When he left, though, it > was only a matter of time until Collins overwhelmed what original ideas > were offered by Rutherford and Banks (whom I still respect, ghu knows why). > I must beg to differ on this one. First I would say that Trick of the Tail/Wind and Wuthering were perhaps the dullest and most uninspired albums Genesis made (though I admit I haven't heard the last few). They both tried to imitate the _style_ of the earlier PG/Genesis albums, but made no attempt to recreate the imagination or originality of those albums. With Lamb, Peter Gabriel and Genesis seemed to be moving on to new things, but these two albums were a step backwards. At least, after Hackett left, the remaining members seemed to set out in their own direction. Clearly, as a band, they didn't have talent or imagination of PG, and musically I didn't find the subsequent albums very interesting (Mama and the album Genesis being a notable exception), but at least it was their own music and had some ideas. Second, it seems like everyone is ignoring the other projects Phil Collins has been involved in: e.g. Brand X, Peter Gabriel 1 (esp. Intruder), the albums he made with John Martyn, his part in re-vitalizing Eric Clapton's career, and so on, and his early solo career. His first two solo albums were excellent. Face Value, particularly, was an outstanding album, head and shoulders above anything Rutherford or Banks have achieved on their own. I still listen to this album occasionally, and enjoy it tremendously when I do. To summarize, Phil Collins is a very talented drummer, who, up until a decade or so ago, has had a very varied and distinguished career, and who's spent the last decade or so being lazy and producing rather mediocre pop music. Could be worse. Banks and Rutherford, on the other hand, have made a few forgettable solo albums between them, and are primarily known for their involvement in Genesis. If they hadn't known Gabriel, Hackett and Philips, I doubt they would have had much of a career by themselves. - -Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:00:17 -0500 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: sarah harmer Sarah (and Weeping Tile) are actually out of Kingston (and not Toronto). 200+km does make a difference. And Kingston deserves it due for some of the fine bands/musicians that it has churned out. If you like the acoustic Sarah, you should try to get your hands on the very first Weeping Tile release called eePee from 1995. There are some great tunes on here - some that were re-recorded for Cold Snap with a higher level of production, and a heavier touch. You should also grab a copy of Songs for Clem. And I'd strongly disagree in classing Weeping Tile as a straight ahead rock outfit - their albums are strong reflections of Sarah's writing, and they certainly had their quirky side (particuarly for those of us who had the pleasure of seeing them many times). And Westray is an amazing piece of angry Canadiana (which I won't detail the background of) which lyrically is a long way off of the straight line. Dave. meredith wrote: > Hi! > > Okay, so this is what you all need to do. Open up your favorite browser > window, type , and order her new solo CD, _You > Were Here_. That's an order. :) > > For those who don't know, Sarah Harmer is also known as the voice of the > Toronto-based band Weeping Tile. Weeping Tile is more of a straight-ahead > rock outfit, but this solo CD of hers is a bright, jangly, perfect poppy > record that really showcases her lovely voice. I'm halfway through the > first listen and I already know it's a winner. (I think woj has listened > to it five times today alone. When he does he gets that goofy grin on his > face that only appears when he's listening to happy greatness. :) > > There are also tour dates on her web site. She's got some gigs coming up > in Toronto, and then she's going to be opening for Moxy Fruvous in the > Northeastern US at the end of April. I'm happy to note that she'll be > opening for them in NYC -- gotta get my tickets! > > (Go UConn!) > > > > +==========================================================================+ > | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | > | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | > +==========================================================================+ > | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | > | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | > | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | > +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:09:22 -0500 From: Dave Williamson Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. I wouldn't be so hard on old Phil. We all change as we age, and he's just decided to do a different thing with his life. You don't like it? So what. Millions of others do. And nobody's forcing his CDs down your throat, forcing you to keep your radio tuned to a station playing his stuff, or forcing you to watch silly awards shows. Like me, just relish what you got from the man. I still love to hear those old Genesis and Brand X percussion tracks, and the guy did have some singing prowess in the Trick of the Tail days. For that I'm thankful. Maybe he's just not creatively capable of that anymore, and is now doing what he's comfortable with. On the Aimee side, I think it's great she got the exposure she did and maybe it will drive home a decent recording contract that allows her to get more tunes out. Dave. Adam Kimmel wrote: > I know, I know -- We all wish that Aimee had won and achieved the > recognition that she deserved, but let's look at the bright side: just by > doing the soundtrack, just by getting nominated, she's finally overcome the > uncertainty of the past few years and made her mark on a wider public > consciousness. She didn't win this battle, but she's set to win the war. > > As for Phil: let's not be too hard on the diminutive little slapheaded > crooner. What he deserves, above all, is not an Oscar, but PITY. Here is a > man who was once one of the most formidably inspired percussionists and > drummers of his time, a man much in demand in the 70's who even contributed > to Brian Eno's seminal "Another Green World", a man who drummed and sang for > one of the most imaginative, compelling and accomplished bands of the 70's > (there's a reason that Genesis are in the "coming soon" list of the Ecto > music guide, and it sure ain't "Invisible Touch") -- here's a man who threw > it all away to become an oily, simpering, two-faced, Thatcherite, > arena-filling, tax-exiled, corporate MOR balladeer. He sold his soul, and > the devil collected early. > > In a cruel paradox, those of us lucky to remember him as a skilled musician > are doomed to watch him as a performing dog. > > There is nothing more tragic than a wasted talent, and Phil Collins' decline > is the most tragic of all. Let him serve as a warning to us all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Dave Williamson wrote: > On the Aimee side, I think it's great she got the exposure she did and > maybe it will drive home a decent recording contract that allows her to > get more tunes out. Well, her self-released CD, BACHELOR #2, is now for sale at Amazon.com (it was previously only available through her web site and at her shows) and it's #16 in their sales rankings! (The MAGNOLIA soundtrack on WEA is #9.) I suspect that Aimee's raking in the bucks, since she doesn't have to split the proceeds with a record company. So, she may not be eager to sign on the dotted line right now. For once in her career, she appears to hold all the cards. I couldn't be happier for her. - --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california trow@slip.net * http://www.interbridge.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:45:59 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: The Oscars: The triumph of Aimee, the tragedy of Phil. >First I would say that Trick of the Tail/Wind and Wuthering were perhaps the >dullest and most uninspired albums Genesis made (though I admit I >haven't heard >the last few). You haven't missed much IMHO. :-) I really liked those two albums, I guess because I wasn't too concerned about content but rather style. I agree that they weren't as good as Gabriel's work, but I can live with that. It annoyed me when they started heading toward plodding, 4/4 rock and roll, without the delicate layerings and textures that Hackett, Rutherford and Banks managed at their best. Losing that, to me they were just another rock band, and their 80s live shows reflected that. >To summarize, Phil Collins is a very talented drummer... Banks and >Rutherford, on the other hand, have made a few forgettable solo >albums >between them, and are primarily known for their involvement in >Genesis. If they >hadn't known Gabriel, Hackett and Philips, I doubt they would have >had much of a >career by themselves. Agreed. But it was magic when they all worked together... - -- | Greg Dunn | this is slowly taking me apart. | | gregdunn@indy.net | grey would be the color if i | | The Sultan of Slack(tm) | had a heart. | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Trent Reznor | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:55:41 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Over the Rhine news (OtR in NYC!) >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:47:22 -0500 (EST) >From: OTRhine@aol.com >Subject: Hello Again... > > >Hello again, > >Just a quick note to invite you once again to join Over the >Rhine on April 5th in New York City for a full day of music, >dizzy heights and who knows what all. For those of you who >would like to be part of the studio audience for Over the >Rhine's performance on CBS This Morning (The Early Show), here >are the details. > >Admission is free and all ages are welcome. ***Please RSVP by >e-mailing your name(s) to CBSEarlyshowaudience@yahoo.com to let >them know you are planning to be there to see Over the Rhine >perform. Direct your note to Steven Kimbrough. (We will be giving >away Good Dog Bad Dog posters to all who attend, plus other treats >courtesy of Virgin Records and The Imaginary Apple Orchard.) Come >to the CBS Building just South of Central Park at the corner of >5th Avenue and 59th Street. (767 5th Avenue.) Ask for Alexandra or >Steve. If weather permits, we'll be performing outdoors in a >courtyard. ***Be there at 10:30am. > >We don't watch a whole lot of TV so it'd sure be nice to see >some familiar faces nearby. If we're going to crawl into television >sets around the country, we would just as soon you got down on all >fours with us. (Wag tail here.) Good dog. > >And the concert that makes us grin from time to time: that same >evening, (Wednesday, April 5th), Over the Rhine will be performing >at a small off-Broadway theater in New York City called The Lambs >Theater, at 130 West 44th Street between 6th and Broadway. ("The >Lamb Goes Down Easy on Broadway.") Doors 7:30pm, Show 8:00pm, >Tickets $15 at the door. (General Admission, all ages welcome.) > >We're curious to see if the big apple can make room for the >Imaginary Apple Orchard. Or is it the other way around? Anyway, >ladies and gentlemen, it might be road-trip time. > >Until then, > >Paul and Virginia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:57:44 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: sarah harmer Hi! Glenn pointed out: >I have complied. Those of you attempting to do likewise may find it helpful >to insert an extra "h" into the middle of the URL above... Oops! I could come up with something deep like "I was too overwhelmed by the wonderfulness of the music" to explain the mistake, but alas, I can't. Typos happen. Sorry! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #87 *************************