From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #79 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 21 2000 Volume 06 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] I Wanna Be kate [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Oscars (was Re: I Wanna Be kate) [Patrick Moseley ] Re: Misheard lyrics [Patrick Moseley ] Re: Oscars [Mark Miazga ] Re: Oscars [Patrick Moseley ] Re: Oscars (was Re: I Wanna Be kate) [There is no spoon ] Ecto Scientology, was: Oscars [Andrew Fries ] Re: Misheard lyrics [Andrew Fries ] throwing muses -- gut pageant 2000 [fartachu ] The Whitlams broadcast [Andrew Fries ] Re: Ecto Scientology, was: Oscars [neal copperman ] Misheard lyrics [Jerene Waite ] Silk slippers... [Paul Blair ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Geoff Carre (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! 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Just bought the Kate tribute..Some great versions on it. Didn't think I'd enjoy a rap version of There Goes a Tenner..But that's a cool version. Good efforts by Syd Straw,My Scarlet Life , Nora O'Connor and Victoria Storm too. On the whole it very uneven as these things tend to be. I'd probably only recommend it to real Kate nutters like myself. Saw American Beauty..Wow what a great film. If Spacey doesnt get that oscar I'll scream. Buffy's first season is very enjoyable..Her romance with Angel is heartbreaking. Anna Maria np-I Wanna be Kate nr-Stephen Dobyns-Boy in the Water __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:24:29 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Oscars (was Re: I Wanna Be kate) "anna maria stjärnell" graced us all with irrefutable wisdom when she wrote: > Saw American Beauty..Wow what a great film. If Spacey doesnt get that > oscar I'll scream. Get those vocal chords ready, Anna... I agree Spacey deserves it, but I've heard Denzel Washington is the favorite to win. And on top of that, I read an article recently that said since the Oscar screeners have gone out to voters, now more of them have seen Richard Farnsworth's performance in "The Straight Story" and it's possible he'll pull an upset for Best Actor. But maybe you'll be satisfied with a Best Picture win for "American Beauty." Me, I've just resigned to the fact that Tom Cruise is gonna win Best Supporting Actor even though I wish they'd give it to Haley Joel Osment. That kid was amazing in "The Sixth Sense." He *made* that movie, whereas Cruise got to hambone-and-ego his way through "Magnolia." Just my two cents... anyone else wanna share Oscar predictions? Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:51:07 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics > Time to start a new thread. What are your favorite > misheard/misremembered lyrics? > Every time I heard Macy Gray's "I Try" on the radio, I thought she was singing: "Though I try to hide it, it's clear / I blow bubbles when you are not here." But she's actually singing, "My world crumbles when you are not here." But my all-time favorite misunderstood lyric is from Blondie's "Heart of Glass." Although I know now that the lyric is "You're just no good / you're teasing like you do," my brother, sister-in-law, and I will always sing, "You're just no good / You're cheesing like a river." Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:27:04 -0500 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: Oscars > > Saw American Beauty..Wow what a great film. If Spacey doesnt get that > > oscar I'll scream. > > Get those vocal chords ready, Anna... I agree Spacey deserves it, but > I've heard Denzel Washington is the favorite to win. And on top of that, > I read an article recently that said since the Oscar screeners have gone > out to voters, now more of them have seen Richard Farnsworth's > performance in "The Straight Story" and it's possible he'll pull an > upset for Best Actor. Me, I'd go for Russell Crowe in "The Insider", but it's an exceptionally strong category. Denzel would be my last pick, since I think he did many of the same things here as he did in "Malcolm X". Plus, I wonder why if his performance was so good, why the movie wasn't any better? (I found "Hurricane" to be pretty mediocre). For Best Actress, I'm all for Hillary Swank getting it -- her performance was phenomenol. But I wouldn't be unhappy with a win from Julianne Moore (perhaps the best actress working today who's never won an Oscar). I thought Annette Bening was a weak link in "American Beauty", so I hope she doesn't get it. "Music of the Heart" was mediocre, so I hope Meryl Streep doesn't win. I didn't see the Janet McTeer movie, so I can't really comment. For Best Supporting Actor, I'd be happy with anyone winning except Michael Caine (he sounded British to me throughout the entire film, not New English, and his performance wasn't even the best of the movies -- Tobey MacGuire's was). Cruise was excellent in "Magnolia", and has never won before, so I'd be happy with him winning. Duncan will probably never get another chance for an Oscar (I'm just guessing, of course, but it seems a 6-and-a-half foot, 350-lb African American actor won't have that many more opportunties for non-bodyguard roles, even with the nomination), and he was good in "The Green Mile", so I'd be happy with him. Jude Law was excellent in "The Talented Mr. Ripley", and him winning would somehow make it a little easier to deal with the horrible omission of the film from a number of major categories. And Haley Joel Osment was superb in "The Sixth Sense". He probably deserves it the most, because if you take him away from that movie, what do you got? Nothing. As for Best Supporting Actress, Catherine Keener is head and shoulders above everyone else. Her timing is impeccable. I think "Girl, Interrupted" was a pretty poor movie, so can't see letting Angelina Jolie walk away with it -- this was a talented actress who wasn't even close to working at full tilt here. I thought Toni Collette's role in "The Sixth Sense" was too small. Chloe Sevigny was excellent in "Boys Don't Cry", but I can't see honoring that movie (which I thought was merely good, not great) with more than the one Oscar for Swank. And I never saw "Sweet and Lowdown", so can't comment on the fifth. As for Best Picture, I'd go with "The Insider" over "American Beauty", but I know I'm in the minority. Both were great films, and I'd be elated to see either win. "The Green Mile" and "The Cider House Rules" were both good-but-not-great films in my eyes -- they weren't even amongst the ten best films of the year (for my list of those, check out http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/bestof1999.htm). "The Sixth Sense" was a damn good movie, but not in the class of the first two. The best film of the year, "Magnolia", wasn't even nominated. And for Best Original Song... you gotta know I'll be pulling for Aimee Mann. I'd have to turn in my ecto card if I didn't. My predictions: Picture: American Beauty Actor: Washington (but wish it was Crowe) Actress: Swank Supporting Actor: Cruise (but wish it was Osment) Supporting Actress: Jolie (but wish it was Keener) Thanks for letting me ramble! --mark - -- Mark Miazga miazgama@msu.edu http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama 143 West Akers Hall, MSU | East Lansing, MI 48825 | (517) 353-4936 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Check out the newly updated personal webpage! Updated 3.18.2000. Founder, The Common Grounds Coffeehouse http://www.msu.edu/~cgrounds ** Info line: (517) 353-5057 MELISSA FERRICK performs on March 29! Academic and Social Activities Coordinator of Akers Hall. English & Secondary Education, Class of 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:01:10 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Oscars As Mark so eloquently put it: > Me, I'd go for Russell Crowe in "The Insider", but it's an exceptionally > strong category. Denzel would be my last pick, since I think he did many of > the same things here as he did in "Malcolm X". Plus, I wonder why if his > performance was so good, why the movie wasn't any better? (I found > "Hurricane" to be pretty mediocre). Negative buzz around the truthfulness of the "Hurricane" screenplay have also hurt Washington's chances in the past few weeks, and I agree his acting was similar to what he did in "Malcolm X." I'm pulling for Spacey, because I think he's a proven great actor who did a great job in "American Beauty," but I wouldn't be upset to see Crowe get the award either (because I thought he should've been nominated for "LA Confidential" way back when). I can't say much for Farnsworth or Penn, since I didn't see either of their movies. > For Best Actress, I'm all for Hillary Swank getting it -- her performance was > phenomenol. But I wouldn't be unhappy with a win from Julianne Moore (perhaps > the best actress working today who's never won an Oscar). I thought Annette > Bening was a weak link in "American Beauty", so I hope she doesn't get it. > "Music of the Heart" was mediocre, so I hope Meryl Streep doesn't win. I > didn't see the Janet McTeer movie, so I can't really comment. I agree with your assessment of Bening -- to me her acting came across as rather cartoonish compared to the rest of the cast. I'm betting Swank gets the award (she deserves it), although I have a soft spot for Moore as well (although I'd also say Glenn Close is a darn fine actress who's also never won an Oscar). I didn't see "Music of the Heart," so I can't comment on Streep's performance. I think that Streep is probably hands-down the best thespian working in movies today, but I think if the movie and the role were mediocre, they should've given her nomination to someone else. She's like the Anthony Hopkins or Tom Hanks of actresses -- consistently outstanding work, but give someone else the recognition every so often. I personally would've liked to see Sigourney Weaver get a nod instead. > For Best Supporting Actor, I'd be happy with anyone winning except Michael > Caine (he sounded British to me throughout the entire film, not New English, > and his performance wasn't even the best of the movies -- Tobey MacGuire's > was). I personally found MacGuire's performance to be pretty drab. For me, the performance that most jumped off the screen in "Cider House" was Charleze Theron's. > Cruise was excellent in "Magnolia", and has never won before, so I'd be happy > with him winning. I didn't care much for Cruise in "Magnolia," but I wouldn't be totally upset if he won -- simply because he's gone Oscar-less after several good performances. I'm thinking if he does win, it'll be as much in recognition of his filmography as his "Magnolia" performance. > Duncan will probably never get another chance for an Oscar (I'm just guessing, > of course, but it seems a 6-and-a-half > foot, 350-lb African American actor won't have that many more opportunties for > non-bodyguard roles, even with the nomination), and he was good in "The Green > Mile", so I'd be happy with him. I thought Duncan did a great job, but the role didn't allow for much range. He played sympathetic and gentle very well, but otherwise the character didn't allow for enough scene-chewing to nab him the award. He deserved the nomination, though. > Jude Law was excellent in "The Talented Mr. Ripley", and him winning would > somehow make it a little easier > to deal with the horrible omission of the film from a number of major > categories. Agreed. I still think it's great that Law got the nomination while co-starring with such Oscar heavy-hitters as Damon, Paltrow, and Blanchett, and yet he's the one who got recognized. > And Haley Joel Osment was superb in "The Sixth Sense". He probably deserves > it the most, because if you take him away from that movie, what do you got? > Nothing. This is the one nominee I'm pulling for the most, but I doubt he'll win. The kid was amazing, though. No other performance in 1999 left me as awe-struck as his. > As for Best Supporting Actress, Catherine Keener is head and shoulders above > everyone else. Her timing is impeccable. I think "Girl, Interrupted" was a > pretty poor movie, so can't see letting Angelina Jolie walk away with it -- > this was a talented actress who wasn't even close to working at full tilt > here. I thought Toni Collette's role in "The Sixth Sense" was too small. > Chloe Sevigny was excellent in "Boys Don't Cry", but I can't see honoring that > movie (which I thought was merely good, not great) with more than the one > Oscar for Swank. And I never saw "Sweet and Lowdown", so can't comment on the > fifth. The only one of these performances I saw was Toni Colette's, and I agree her role was probably too small to get her the Oscar. I'd love to see her win, though. The scene she shared with Osment in the car at the end was perfect. > As for Best Picture, I'd go with "The Insider" over "American Beauty", but I > know I'm in the minority. Both were great films, and I'd be elated to see > either win. "The Green Mile" and "The Cider House Rules" were both > good-but-not-great films in my eyes -- they weren't even amongst the ten best > films of the year. "The Sixth Sense" was a damn > good movie, but not in the class of the first two. The best film of the year, > "Magnolia", wasn't even nominated. If I were voting, my vote would go to "Sixth Sense," but I know I'm in the minority as well. But I'll be fine with any of these films winning, with the exception of "Cider House," which shouldn't have even been nominated. I found that movie to be totally directionless and would've had more respect for it had it taken a clear stance on the issues it dealt with. (SPOILER AHEAD FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT.) The fact that Rose Rose's father committed incest and raped her, and yet his death scene was played for sympathy and nobility really lost me. He was a monster, and yet the movie obviously wanted us to care for him. Didn't work for me. > And for Best Original Song... you gotta know I'll be pulling for Aimee Mann. > I'd have to turn in my ecto card if I didn't. At the risk of losing my ecto card, my vote would go for "When She Loved Me" from Toy Story 2. Please don't flog me! But the scene from the movie and the song together were incredibly moving. I'd be more inclined for vote for Mann had "Wise Up" been eligible for a nomination. > My predictions: > Picture: American Beauty > Actor: Washington (but wish it was Crowe) > Actress: Swank > Supporting Actor: Cruise (but wish it was Osment) > Supporting Actress: Jolie (but wish it was Keener) I think your predictions are spot-on, Mark. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:31:46 -0600 From: There is no spoon Subject: Re: Oscars (was Re: I Wanna Be kate) At 08:24 AM 3/20/00 -0500, Patrick wrote: "anna maria stjärnell" graced us all with irrefutable wisdom when she wrote: >> Saw American Beauty..Wow what a great film. If Spacey doesnt get that >> oscar I'll scream. > Get those vocal chords ready, Anna... I agree Spacey deserves it, but > I've heard Denzel Washington is the favorite to win. And on top of that, > I read an article recently that said since the Oscar screeners have gone > out to voters, now more of them have seen Richard Farnsworth's > performance in "The Straight Story" and it's possible he'll pull an > upset for Best Actor. I've seen 30 (so far) of the 37 nominated feature films, including all but two of the acting nominations (I haven't seen Girl, Interrupted or Music of the Heart) so I can compare. Getting past the "they *ALL* deserve to win" (they were all great) I really do have to go with Denzel Washington. The movie wasn't very good, but the performance was powerful. After Denzel, I'd go with Russell Crowe's performance in The Insider or Sean Penn's in Sweet and Lowdown. If Denzel doesn't get it, Crowe or Penn should. I'd be happy with a Farnsworth win though. I'm thrilled that he was nominated since he's been a favorite actor since 1982's The Grey Fox. I'm also thrilled with Sean Penn's nomination, since I was sure he'd be overlooked. Sorry, but of the 5, IMHO, Spacy's performance comes last, as wonderful as it was. Of course, he'll win. Which is OK, since he's one of my favorite actors. > But maybe you'll be satisfied with a Best Picture win for "American > Beauty." Yep. Few of the year's other best films got nominated in the category. (Topsy Turvy, for one, should be in there). AB is far and away the best of the bunch, but if it doesn't win, I'd hope that The Insider, or even The Sixth Sense, wins. (I didn't think much of The Cider House Rules or The Green Mile) > Me, I've just resigned to the fact that Tom Cruise is gonna win Best > Supporting Actor even though I wish they'd give it to Haley Joel Osment. > That kid was amazing in "The Sixth Sense." He *made* that movie, whereas > Cruise got to hambone-and-ego his way through "Magnolia." I'm with you in rooting for Haley, but I don't agree with you on Cruise. I can't stand Tom Cruise, and I still think he was amazing in Magnolia. It wouldn't bother me at all if he won. But yeah, I hope Haley does. > Just my two cents... anyone else wanna share Oscar predictions? Who I *want* to win and who I think *should* win and who I think *will* win are all usually very different. For instance, I think Phil Collins will win Best Song, though I think Randy Newman should win, but I'd really really REALLY want either "Blame Canada" or Aimee Mann to win. I think Annette Bening will win Best Actress, though I think that Hillary Swank should win, but I really REALLY want Janet McTeer to win. (Tumbleweeds was one of my favorite films from last year) An American Beauty sweep won't be a surprise, except for the fact that black comedies hardly ever get nominated, let alone win. It was the pitch black comedy that could and probably will. V. (going to see All About My Mother tonight) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:23:49 +0100 (CET) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Oscars On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Mark Miazga wrote: > My predictions: > Picture: American Beauty > Actor: Washington (but wish it was Crowe) > Actress: Swank > Supporting Actor: Cruise (but wish it was Osment) Tom Cruise won't have much of a star in my book as long as he is a Scientologist, and I'm not very fond of his acting skills either from before I did find out he was in the "church". That's my opinion though ... - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:15:39 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Ecto Scientology, was: Oscars On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Yngve Hauge wrote: >Tom Cruise won't have much of a star in my book as long as he is >a Scientologist, and I'm not very fond of his acting skills either >from before I did find out he was in the "church". That's my opinion >though ... ... and I totally agree. As far as I'm concerned the evil ways of The Church of Scientology are documented beyond any doubt and there's no way I'd (knowingly) support one of them. Which raises an interesting question: I wonder if any of Ecto artists are Scientologists? - ------------------------------------------------------ "If we took a random sampling of observers of the same sunset, chances are a few would think the sun got larger, a few would insist it stayed the same size, and an appallingly large number would have been looking in the wrong direction." -- Dr. Science - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:28:12 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Paul Blair wrote: >Time to start a new thread. What are your favorite >misheard/misremembered lyrics? Actually there is a whole site devoted to this subject, at www.kissthisguy.com (the name comes from a misheard line in a Jimi Hendrix song, 'scuse me while I kiss this guy...) Amusing. - ------------------------------------------------------ "If we took a random sampling of observers of the same sunset, chances are a few would think the sun got larger, a few would insist it stayed the same size, and an appallingly large number would have been looking in the wrong direction." -- Dr. Science - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:34:51 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: throwing muses -- gut pageant 2000 pholks, the details for the throwing muses gut pageant 2000 have been announced at . (for those of you who don't recall mike curry's forward to ecto from a few weeks back, this is basically a spend-a-day-with-kristin-hersh-and-the-muses: a picnic during the day, a private solo set by kristin, and then a full-fledged show by the muses.) the date is may 6th, the price is $35 (a $20 ticket is also available if you just want to go to the muses gig). what's not been announced formally, but is buried deep in throwingmusic, is that tickets can now be purchased at . the gut pageant event is being used as a beta test for site. wheeee! woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:16:28 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: The Whitlams broadcast I'm not sure if our Whitlams are strictly ecto, but since they've been mentioned here a couple of times I thought I'd mention their live webcast will take place this Friday, 24th of March, 10pm. This is all in Australian Eastern time. The address is www.thebasement.com.au and it seems Microsoft Media Player is required so I won't be tuning in, but perhaps some of you might want to check them out... - ------------------------------------------------------ "If we took a random sampling of observers of the same sunset, chances are a few would think the sun got larger, a few would insist it stayed the same size, and an appallingly large number would have been looking in the wrong direction." -- Dr. Science - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:20:06 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Ecto Scientology, was: Oscars At 12:15 PM +1100 3/21/00, Andrew Fries wrote: >On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Yngve Hauge wrote: > >>Tom Cruise won't have much of a star in my book as long as he is >>a Scientologist, and I'm not very fond of his acting skills either >>from before I did find out he was in the "church". That's my opinion >>though ... > > ... and I totally agree. As far as I'm concerned the evil ways of The >Church of Scientology are documented beyond any doubt and there's no way >I'd (knowingly) support one of them. Which raises an interesting >question: I wonder if any of Ecto artists are Scientologists? As a scientologist and major Tom Cruise fan, I must take exception to all this unfair bashing of my much maligned faith. I will gladly explain the flaws in your logic to anyone who will send me 10% of their income (before taxes). neal now shuffling over (one of my odder mixes): this is our art: useless, boring, impotent, elitist and very, very beautiful. - The Soup Dragons ...twenty-five... - Sweet Honey in the Rock Salva Nos - Medieval Babes the divine punishment & saint of the pit (Plague Mass parts 1 & 2) - Diamanda Galas Meditations from the Holy Land - Instrumental Arrangements of Jewish Melodies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:22:26 -0800 From: Jerene Waite Subject: Misheard lyrics My favorite mis-heard lyric was from Choirgirl Hotel where Tori claims to be singing "nautical nuns", but I hear "naughty gonads" every time. It makes more sense too. - --Jerene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:45:28 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Silk slippers... It occurred to me that I really should have included the actual Emily Bezar lyric from "Lead" (as in the metal, not as in the verb to lead) that I misheard. Unfortunately, I have loaned the album to Suzanne so I can only do this from memory... the words are: My silk slippers turn to lead At the words I wrote but he never read... Six nipples indeed. pb ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #79 *************************