From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V6 #38 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 06 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- andy stochansky/meghan toohey/sarina simoom [Jess913@aol.com] Boys Dont Cry [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Pooka ep for trade [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Grey Eye Glances [Bob Keefer ] Re: Boys Dont Cry ["Michael R. Colford" ] Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed ["Matthew B. Downer" ] Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed [jburka@min.net] Napster - good or evil? [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: Napster - good or evil? [RocketsTail@aol.com] Re: Napster - good or evil? ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed [Joseph Zitt ] MP3s make me "Happy" [bitterman_usa ] Re: Napster - good or evil? [Ted Jacobs ] Sleater-Kinney tour dates [Michael Curry ] Re: Napster - good or evil? ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: Napster - good or evil? [Brian Bloom ] too much sweeps tv (dancing Angel) [Paul Kim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:56:36 EST From: Jess913@aol.com Subject: andy stochansky/meghan toohey/sarina simoom well i've only posted here a few times, but i wanted to let you all know about some shows. Andy Stochansky is in the new england area this week. you may know him at Ani's former drummer, but he's doing his own solo thing now. he sings, does perscussion stuff, and is joined by a great band. he is a highly brilliant musician with a totally unique intense style that really hits a deep place. also, if you havent seen Meghan Toohey yet, she's wonderful. she was just nominated for best new singer-songwriter by the boston music awards. and has also been know to be the back-up band for jess klein and lori mckenna. come ready to dance (at the middle east, probably not at the iron horse, but ya never know when they'll clear the chairs)! ANDY STOCHANSKY with two great opening bands: 27 and (yes this is their name) Rockets Burst from the Streetlamps Tuesday Feb 8, 7pm Iron Horse, 20 Center St Northampton, MA 1-800-THE-TICK, all ages, $6 Meghan Toohey/Andy Stochanksy/Chelsea on Fire/The Troubadors Wed, Feb 9, 9pm Middle East, Upstairs, 427 Mass Ave, Central Square Cambridge, MA 864-EAST $7, 18+ i'll be at the middle east show, after i go see Maya Dorn at Passim (who you must check out if you are in the area, but its hard for me to try to get you to go to two shows in one night).... and for anyone in the DENVER area, Sarina Simoom, who i mentioned maybe a few months ago (see my web page for more info), has a show at the Bluebird on Feb. 12th. and if you can go i will be so jealous! i can't wait for the release of their first CD in april. i will be sure to tell you about it. jess http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/andes/4006 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Boys Dont Cry Hi.. Have seen by far the best film of the year..Kimberly Pierce's moving Boys Dont Cry. Hilary Swank is marvellous as Brandon Teena, the girl who wants to be a boy. The ending might be shocking, but that was the fate that occured to poor Brandon. Good theme song by Nathan Larson and Nina Persson. Anna Maria __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Pooka ep for trade Hi again.. Have a copy of Pooka's ep Mean Girl released juts before spinning for trade. One album cut and three exclusive tracks. Get in touch if interested. Anna Maria np-Cranberries-Bury the hatchet __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:09:58 -0500 (EST) From: Bob Keefer Subject: Grey Eye Glances I just saw Grey Eye Glances at the Whitaker Center Stage 2 (in Harrisburg, PA) on Saturday, and want to recommend that you -not- miss them, if you get a chance to see them. What a wonderful show. Jen Noble was in fine voice (by the way, I find it interesting that you'd never really know it from the pictures on the CDs [and I realize this is basically irrelevant], but she's a very beautiful woman; reminds me of Julie Hagerty, a bit), and the guitar player (Brett Kull) is amazing, pulling all kinds of unexpected sound from a variety of stringed instruments (guitar, lap steel, mandolin). The songs are infectious and as hook-filled as anything you'll hear anywhere. Not to be missed. They also mentioned that they have raised enough money to buy back their stuff from Mercury Records, and it's basically up to the lawyers to finish their negotiations. bob k. - ----------------------- ------------------------- Robert Keefer Associate Professor Psychology Department Office Phone: Mt. St. Mary's College (301) 447-5394, Ext. 4251 Emmitsburg, MD 21727 e-mail: keefer@msmary.edu [Speaking for myself.] fax: 301-447-5021 - ----------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:26:28 -0800 From: "Michael R. Colford" Subject: Re: Boys Dont Cry Speaking of Boys Don't Cry and other independent and non-mainstream movies, this is a perfect opportunity for me to tell everyone that the Sixth Annual Chlotrudis Awards Nominations have been announced! Those of you who've been around for a while know that I am involved with something called Chlotrudis Awards. We've had a very busy year, and have recently become a non-profit corporation that honors, supports and educates about independent and non-mainstream movies. Each year we have an Awards Ceremony honor movies that are chosen by a Nominating Committee, but voted on by anyone who is interested in those types of film. If you're interested, please go check out our newly re-designed website at http://www.chlotrudis.org/. Take a look around, check out the nomineess and then, if you feel like it, place your vote! And, if you're going to be in the Boston-area on April 8, you should definitely think about attending our first PUBLIC Awards Ceremony. it's going to be quite a night! And yes, BOYS DON'T CRY is nominated for several awards... that's how this all tied in! Have a great day everyone, and please stop by Chlotrudis Awards at http://www.chlotrudis.org/ Michael - -- Michael Colford, Head of Technical Services Reading Public Library, Reading Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org North of Boston Library Exchange ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:15:15 -0600 (EST) From: "Matthew B. Downer" Subject: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed Heather Russell wrote > I was just listening to my local college radio station, and a stunningly > beautiful song came on, sung by David Sylvian. I called the station and the > DJ told me it was from a collection of Ruichi Sakamoto's film scores > entitled Cinema. > > I just tried amazon.com and did not find that title - does anyone have any > information about this album? Philip David Morgan wrote: > That album hasn't been released yet in the States - it is supposed to come out > on Sony Classical, but the best source of information would be the man's own > website: > > http://www.sitesakamoto.com/ Heather, Assuming what you heard was the song "Forbidden Colors", it's also available on the David Sylvian album "Secrets Of The Beehive", which just happens to be my favorite Sylvian album (although I haven't heard his new one yet). The Ryuichi Sakamoto album "Heartbeat" contains two collaborations with Sylvian (and Ingrid Chavez aka Mrs. David Sylvian): "Cloud Number 9" and "Heartbeat (Tainai Kaiki II)"; if you like "Forbidden Colors", then "Heartbeat (Tainai Kaiki II)" will probably float your boat as well. matt Matt Downer NR: Cryptonomicon hachiman@io.com NP: Platos Hal0, "Bent" Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:49:17 -0500 (EST) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Matthew B. Downer wrote: > The Ryuichi Sakamoto album "Heartbeat" contains two collaborations with > Sylvian (and Ingrid Chavez aka Mrs. David Sylvian) Zoinks! Really? As in the Ingrid Chavez who released that bizarre sorta-spoken-word disc on Paisley Park back in the early 90's? I picked that up the same day I bought Melissa Ferrick's _Massive Blur_ (the friday after turkey day '93) but while I'm a raving Ferrick fan, I _still_ haven't decided if I like the Chavez disc. > hachiman@io.com NP: Platos Hal0, "Bent" I've been listening to their mp3s quite a bit and will be ordering the dam soon enough. Thanks to whomever it was that recommended the band. Anyone in to pretentious, overblown super-dramatic late 90's interpretations of the pretentious, overblown super-dramatic early 70's prog rock movement should check them out...they're fabulous! jeff n.p. _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_, Veda Hille ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Napster - good or evil? I was wondering if anyone else here has heard of a program called Napster. There was a piece on it on All Things Considered last Friday, and when I heard it, I couldn't believe something like this could actually be allowed to exist. (Napster is being sued by the RIAA, so it may not be around for long.) Basically, when you install Napster, you connect to a database of MP3's supplied by other Napster users -- when I tried it out, there were over 275,000 songs available for download. I have very mixed emotions about it, because it seems to me a case of something that can be used for good (finding out about new music) or for evil (pirating vast quantities of music). I've decided that as long as it is around, I'm going to use it the way one would use a listening station at a CD store. I downloaded the entire new Fiona Apple album (it took about 5 minutes), which I had read good reviews of, but I hadn't bought it, since I wasn't too crazy about the songs I heard from TIDAL. Well, it turns out I love her new stuff, so I'm going to erase the MP3's from my hard drive and buy the CD. But I realize that a lot of people will figure, why buy it when I can download it for free? If it gets to the point where no one can make a living from music, then we can all say adios to the fantastic spectrum of artists and albums that are available to us now. Thus, my moral quandary about this resource. - --Sue Trowbridge trow@slip.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:38:19 EST From: RocketsTail@aol.com Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? I just discovered NAPSTER too, but I only use it to download songs that aren't available on CDs and stuff, like rare B-sides and live tracks or so I can hear a song by an aritst I've wanted to sample before buying an album. It's great, but it has some bugs that are very annoying LOL. Right now I can't even connect to it. grrrr lol -Eric "because I owe my life to the people that I love" ~Ani Difranco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:00:35 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? > I've decided that as long as it is around, I'm going to use it the way one > would use a listening station at a CD store. You can, if you're scrupulously honest, use Napster this way, but: a) Exchanging copyrighted music using Napster is obviously wildly illegal. b) Napster exists for pirating, and anybody who says different is dissembling. c) I'll be very surprised if it isn't sued out of existence very soon, complete with some attempt at reprisals against ISPs (especially colleges) that don't participate in the crackdown. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:50:07 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Ruichi Sakamoto CD-help needed On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 01:49:17PM -0500, jburka@min.net wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Matthew B. Downer wrote: > > > The Ryuichi Sakamoto album "Heartbeat" contains two collaborations with > > Sylvian (and Ingrid Chavez aka Mrs. David Sylvian) > > Zoinks! Really? As in the Ingrid Chavez who released that bizarre > sorta-spoken-word disc on Paisley Park back in the early 90's? I picked > that up the same day I bought Melissa Ferrick's _Massive Blur_ (the friday > after turkey day '93) but while I'm a raving Ferrick fan, I _still_ > haven't decided if I like the Chavez disc. Yup, one and the same. She also was the female lead in "Grafitti Bridge". np: Atzilut: The Fourth World - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 00 00:20:12 EST From: bitterman_usa Subject: MP3s make me "Happy" Greetings fellow Ectophiles--- does anyone out there know where I can find some Happy Rhodes MP3's float= ing around? Or if such elusive creatures even exist? I would love to find a r= emix of "Roy" somewhere other than my imagination. if anyone knowss, please share... thanx! - ---bitterman ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:06:42 -0500 From: Ted Jacobs Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? Well, legal or not Mp3 is here to stay! You Simply can't put the 44.1 hz Genie back into the bottle. As for the large selection that Napster provides, I see some people haven't been visiting the undernet lately, that stuff has been going on on IRC for quite awhile. As for Sue's comment about the fantastic spectrum of artists, well the cream will still rise to the top IMHO. But Becoming a Mega Rock Star like some band out of the 70's will be even more difficult than even now as the industry becomes more and more fragmented, and It's close to impossible now. Look at the bright side though, there will be no more Madonnas or Backstreet boyz out there, when all the greed is weeded out of the industry, all of these so called musicians and performers will be forced to reconsider why they became musicians in the first place, hence in the long run a much more talented stable of much more modest musicians, or at least that is my long term projection. There still will be room for living room concerts out there! This is exactly what put the big labels in a quandary 2 years ago, they saw their worst nightmare coming up the pike and have been at war with MP3 ever since, and they're losing. I first took notice 2 grammy shows ago when they censored an ad from MP3.com from the little program flyers they hand out. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what this means to the indies, the road will be a rough one, but hopefully a more noble one. I still believe that art becomes perverse when it is driven by the bottom line and deadlines (somebody once told me that I'd make a great Kate Bush fan in that case) Of course this is all just MHO. Ted glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > I've decided that as long as it is around, I'm going to use it the way > one > > would use a listening station at a CD store. > > You can, if you're scrupulously honest, use Napster this way, but: > a) Exchanging copyrighted music using Napster is obviously wildly > illegal. > b) Napster exists for pirating, and anybody who says different is > dissembling. > c) I'll be very surprised if it isn't sued out of existence very soon, > complete with some attempt at reprisals against ISPs (especially > colleges) that don't participate in the crackdown. > > glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:41:29 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Sleater-Kinney tour dates This was apparently seen at MTV News (or so the person who posted it to the s-k list claimed).... >Sleater-Kinney Sets Dates For Spring Tour > > > With its fifth album, "All Hands On The Bad One," due out in May, >Sleater-Kinney has just announced dates for an extended spring tour to >support the new record. > >Sleater-Kinney will launch the tour on April 29 with a hometown gig in >Olympia, Washington that will also serve as a benefit for Ladyfest, a >six-day music conference slated for August 1-6 in Olympia. > >Taking its cue from the late Lilith Fair, Ladyfest 2000 is an >event produced by women and aimed at showcasing female bands, >artists, and performers. > >Dates for Sleater-Kinney's upcoming tour: > >4/29 - Olympia, WA @ Metropolis >5/3 - Portland, OR @ Crystal Ballroom >5/4 - Seattle, WA @ Showbox >5/5 - Seattle, WA @ Showbox >5/9 - Minneapolis, MN @ First Avenue >5/10 - Madison or Milwaukee, WI @ TBA >5/12 - Chicago, IL @ Metro >5/13 - Detroit, MI @ Majestic Theatre >5/14 - Cleveland, OH @ Grog Shop >5/16 - Northampton, MA @ Pearl Street >5/17 - Cambridge, MA @ Middle East >5/18 - Cambridge, MA @ Middle East >5/19 - Providence, RI @ Lupo's >5/20 - Philadelphia, PA @ Trocadero >5/22 - New York, NY @ Irving Plaza >5/23 - New York, NY @ Irving Plaza >5/24 - New York, NY @ Irving Plaza >5/25 - Washington, DC @ 9:30 Club >5/26 - Carrboro, NC @ Cat's Cradle >5/27 - Atlanta, GA @ Cotton Club >5/30 - Nashville, TN @ TBA >5/31 - St. Louis, MO @ Firehouse >6/1 - Columbia, MO @ Blue Note >6/2 - Lawrence, KS @ Bottleneck >6/3 - Denver, CO @ TBA >6/6 - Los Angeles, CA @ El Rey Theater >6/7 - San Francisco, CA @ Fillmore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:12:34 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? > there will be no more Madonnas or Backstreet boyz out there, > when all the greed is weeded out of the industry If anybody wants to bet money that technology is going to somehow eradicate superficial pop stars, greed as the main motivator of entertainment, or any combination of the two, please let me know, because if there are a lot of you, I'm going to start moving my retirement money out of IRAs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:14:10 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Napster - good or evil? Well, as someone who has used many the various ways to hunt down MP3s, I think the only thing that differentiates Napster is "ease of use". They are by no means the largest culprit out there. Pop into either Undernet or DALnet on IRC and do a search on channels that include the string "mp3". It's boggling. So I keep my conscience clean by pretty much downloading about 90% stuff that I already own. Sure I could rip it myself, but sadly, having a cable modem now makes it faster just to download it. ;) Like someone already commented, it's those "never released" B-sides and rare remixes that are the real gems to be found on the 'net... I've burned about 10 discs of MP3s, mostly for the fact that 10 MP3 discs are easier to carry around than 100 CDs, plus I've weeded out the songs I didn't like anyway.... moo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 01:47:40 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: too much sweeps tv (dancing Angel) I know i have email due these lists, but i just have to blurt out these few thoughts : i think this is the first time that i've looked forward to february sweeps on tv. The X-files promises to reveal the whole Samantha thing this sunday. Counter to that, Homicide : THe Movie is airing on Sunday and i shall be wetting my pants during the entire episode. *sniff sniff* And we gets to finally have a bevy of new Buffy and Angel episodes in a row again. side: hey, it was weird catching part of Face/Off this past sunday on NBC and noting that they kept nic cage's line "FLY BITCH FLY!" and yet seemed to do some really bad dubbing during some of the action parts that really don't have any foul language. and the editing was just atrocious, totally messing with John Woo's masterful (if somewhat in comprehensible) battle scenes. How many people here found Angel's little horrific fantasy of hiself dancing to be THE funniest thing they had seen on TV in recent history? hands raised? Thank god I taped the episode. I watched that dance at least 4 more times after the show was done. And they even had extended dance sequences with him and Wesley over the end credits. I certainly felt validated with my spastic mock-dances that I tend to pull out when the mood strikes me. That was just such a left-field thing, and one of those moments that you cherish for as long as you remember it. Paul "cabbage patching" Kim ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V6 #38 *************************