From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #413 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, December 18 1999 Volume 05 : Number 413 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] enhanced cd blues [MockRafe@aol.com] (not exactly) 1999 (not quite) top ten [Greg Bossert ] Re: enhanced cd blues [dmw ] Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players [Bill Adler ] Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players ["Neil K. Guy" ] Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players [Bill Adler ] a very odd musical moment [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Laura Clifford (lcliffor@bbn.com) ******************** *********** Dirk Kastens (dkastens@titan.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) ************ ************************ Milla (no Email address) ************************* ************** Chris Schernwetter (cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ************** ******************** Sherry Haddock (shaddock@uta.edu) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:14:23 EST From: MockRafe@aol.com Subject: enhanced cd blues I have found, on my PC compatible computer, that if I hold down the Shift key as I nudge the CDROM tray enough to automagically close it, and keep the Shift key pressed until the CDROM stops all that preliminary inspection, this bypasses the AutoRun feature so you can skip right to the music. Mock Rafe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:57:44 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: (not exactly) 1999 (not quite) top ten well, i'm not sure when i last posted -- we're talking KaTe-like gaps in releases here -- and anyway this whole calendar year thing is an arbitrary accident of agricultural anxiety. here's what i've bought (or found burrowing behind the ever-more seismically incorrect piles of cds in our library) recently, where recently is defined as since i put together a workshop to build instruments with a little sound system (you can undangle that modifier as you see fit) and actually started listening again... Cirque du Soleil: saw "La Nouba" at Walt D. World (hmm, the cd is actually (C) 1999) -- it's another Benoit Jutras score like "Quidam", perhaps a bit heavier and less world-beaten. ended up buying the complete cd set, strongly recommend them all, but 'specially "Alegria" for Francesca Gagnon's vocals, "O" for the kora/erhu combination (!), "Quidam" for some good tunes, and "La Nouba" for the oomph. Radio Tarifa: "Rumba Argelina" (1993) but i bought it this year and it's been my favorite music to which to plane and scrape and how can you deny the power of the traditional lyrics, which reach out from the past with such thoughts as: "girl, when i go home i tell my grandmother, grandmother, put, put, put the meat in the pan; what you are like, my moor, are sips of rum?" absolutely no ethereal female vocals. Robbie Robertson: "Contact from the Underworld of Redboy" (1998) the most useful thing anyone's done with his anger in a while. and it's got an appearance by Bill Dillon (yah) and some haunting vocals from various female guests (and some likewise spoken by Leonard Peltier). Celestial Harmonies: "The Music of Islam" (1418/1997) um, yup, the music of Islam. all of it. 15 volumes, 17 cds. a masterpiece of field recording from David Parsons and collegues. by the time you hit volume 10 (over an hour of Qur'an recitation from istanbul) the patterns begin to shyly peek from around the calligraphically elaborate strangnesses of a very foreign music. i wouldn't recommend trying to actually listen to it -- put it on and do something else and only later discover you've gone somewhere very different. Experimental Musical Instrument Journal: "Orbitones, Spoon Harps, and Bellowphones", and its '96 prequel "Gravikords, Whirlies, and Pyrophones". erm, well, marginally more likely to get radio play than "The Music of Islam", but only on some distant planet. the EMIJ is defunct, but the effort continues at http://www.windworld.com/emi/. when these folks say DIY, they really mean it. make sure to follow the link from the above site to the Burnt Earth page and listen to some more of Barry Hall's stuff... no, i can't describe it any more than that. Hal Hartley: various soundtracks. probably best known here for the "Amateur" soundtrack with Bettie Serveert, MBV, P.J. Harvey, etc. but check out the others -- they're all out and available from the usual sources. mr. Hartley's alter ego Ned Rifle has a knack for simple little instrumentals that remind me pleasantly of the Feelies. and he directed the video for the lead single off of: Beth Orton: "Central Reservation" (1999) okay, look it's *perfectly* normal to listen to "stolen car" 9 times in a row. and i wasn't actually dizzy afterwards. much. i just wish the critics get over the chemical bros. thing. Harry Partch: the complete recordings have been leaking out since '97 from Composers Recordings, Inc. with notes, pictures, and lyrics. Vol. 2 is maybe more "accessible" (um, in the sense that you could roll a wheel chair over it, perhaps), with "and on the seventh day petals fell in petaluma" and some delightful earlier hobo works. harmonically cannonically genius. Solas: "the words that remains" (1998) with Iris de Ment and Bela Fleck sitting in, a couple of surprising songs from Woodie Guthrie and Peggy Seeger, Karen shows the sharp edge to her angelitude, Winifred rocks, and the lads are just the best. Belly: (hmm, '93 and '95) damn damn damn maybe Tanya was the McCartney, but maybe McCartney was the better songwriter, and pushing the edge just as determinedly. anyway, if that makes Belly Wings, well, then, i'd pick that over the plastic ono band any day of the week. (oops, Kristen, i didn't mean it that way -- ouch, ouch, help!) and BTW, a fond and meat-free 'ta' to Linda. hmmph, there's ten, more or less. didn't mention finally tracking down Bonnie Pink's "blue jam" (get the Tore Johansson produced "Heaven's Kitchen" from '97 instead) and speaking of mr. Johansson, i spent a week or two totally infatuated by the Cardigans' Gran Turismo, while bemusedly watching mtv chop the video for "my favorite game" into pap for my safety and protection. and Oumou Sangare tended to stay in the cd player for extended periods -- read the translations in the liner notes and don't get hung up on the lack of variation in the material. and maybe i didn't quite "Adore" the Pumpkins latest, but it was something to put on after "MCatIS" (hmmph, i'm d'ecidedly d'ubious about the post-d'arcy situation). and "Musical Evenings with the Captain" from the Philharmonia Virtuosi accompanied me on several voyages 'round the world in the grand cabin of the Surprise. before the dawn marks the start of yet another such trip, i better end this one. foos and tahs in bountitude to y'all out there, and have a momentous (if arbitrary) millennial moment. - -- greg bossert 650-933-6431 -- - -- silicon graphics, inc. bossert@sgi.com -- - -- i have never been afraid to change -- Happy -- - -- the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: enhanced cd blues On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 MockRafe@aol.com wrote: > I have found, on my PC compatible computer, that if I hold down the Shift key > as I nudge the CDROM tray enough to automagically close it, and keep the > Shift key pressed until the CDROM stops all that preliminary inspection, this > bypasses the AutoRun feature so you can skip right to the music. if you want to optimize your system a little bit and avoid all this foolishness of programs starting when you haven't told them to, win32 users can try: control panel - system - device manager - CDROM - {click a specific CD, e.g. Memorex CRW-2642} - Properties - Settings - UNcheck "Auto Insert Notification" i do this to every computer i get as soon as it comes into my hands. - -- d. i hestitate to mention it, cause there's better, more ectophilic shows in the area - love riot in baltimore, moodroom's cd release with clare quilty at the velvet lounge - but if anyone in dc wants to see me play a solo set i'll be doing so tomorrow evening. details at www.fecklessbeast.com - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = guitar pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:34:28 -0500 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players Here's something that may be *worse* than the enhanced CD problem (while we're on the subject of technology angst): Duplicated CDs may not play in DVD players. DVD movie players also play music CDs, but the one I have only plays store-bought CDs. CDs that have been duplicated on a computer --and CDs that have been burned on a stand-alone audio CD copier-- do not play on my DVD player. The DVD player reports "No Disc." I don't know if this is true for all DVD players, but if it is true, that's bad news, since DVD is coming whether we're ready or not. It would especially annoying (not to mention obnoxious) if DVD players didn't play CDs that were duplicated on audio CD copiers, since there's a so-called royalty fee built into the cost of each blank CD. - --Bill n.p. K's Choice, Cocoon Crash DVD players that won't play duplicated CDs At 10:57 PM 12/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 12/16/1999 -0600, Carolyn Andre wrote: > >At 12:57 PM 12/16/99 , Bill commented: > > > > I couldn't agree more. It is becoming a major pain, and an even bigger > > > turn off, to have to fight a CD's executable content when I stick it > > > into my computer's CDROM drive. When I play a music CD, it is the > > > music content which I want to hear! ... there > > > doesn't seem to be a way to defeat these executables from automatically > > > launching. I hate it! > Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:58:14 -0500 From: "Chris Montville" Subject: Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players > Here's something that may be *worse* than the enhanced CD problem (while > we're on the subject of technology angst): > > Duplicated CDs may not play in DVD players. > > DVD movie players also play music CDs, but the one I have only plays > store-bought CDs. CDs that have been duplicated on a computer --and CDs > that have been burned on a stand-alone audio CD copier-- do not play on my > DVD player. The DVD player reports "No Disc." > > I don't know if this is true for all DVD players, but if it is true, that's > bad news, since DVD is coming whether we're ready or not. It would > especially annoying (not to mention obnoxious) if DVD players didn't play > CDs that were duplicated on audio CD copiers, since there's a so-called > royalty fee built into the cost of each blank CD. However, interestingly enough, many DVD players will play CD-RW discs. Most audio CD players will not. If you need to dupe something for a DVD player, try a CD-RW instead of a CD-R. A few weeks ago, someone reached into my open car window and stole about 20 CD's. As a result, I finally broke down and bought a high-speed CD-R. Sigh. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:34:28 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 12:34:28PM -0500, Bill Adler wrote: > Here's something that may be *worse* than the enhanced CD problem (while > we're on the subject of technology angst): > > Duplicated CDs may not play in DVD players. It's true of mine, too. From the DVD FAQ http://www.videodiscovery.com/vdyweb/dvd/dvdfaq.html#2.4.3: [2.4.3] Is CD-R compatible with DVD-ROM? Sometimes. The problem is that CD-Rs (Orange Book Part II) are "invisible" to DVD laser wavelength because the dye used in CD-Rs doesn't reflect the beam. Some first-generation DVD-ROM drives and many DVD players can't read CD-Rs. The common solution is to use two lasers at different wavelengths: one for reading DVDs and the other for reading CDs and CD-Rs. Variations on the theme include Sony's "dual discrete optical pickup" with switchable pickup assemblies with separate optics, Sony's dual-wavelength laser (to be initially deployed on Playstation 2), Samsung's "annular masked objective lens" with a shared optical path, Toshiba's similar shared optical path using an objective lens masked with a coating that's transparent only to 650-nm light, Hitachi's switchable objective lens assembly, and Matsushita's holographic dual-focus lens. Look for drives with the MultiRead label, which guarantees compatibility with CD-R and CD-RW media. An effort to develop CD-R "Type II" media compatible with both CD and DVD wavelengths has been abandoned. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:40:41 -0800 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players At 12:34 PM -0500 12/17/1999, Bill Adler wrote: >Duplicated CDs may not play in DVD players. CD-Rs (the CDs one burns) use a laser at a different wavelength of light from DVDs, so some CD-Rs are basically transparent to DVDs. This does seem to depend a lot on the CD-R disc in question. My G4 has a DVD drive and it can read some of the CD-Rs we use around here. Incidentally, the Map Music gig last night was great. As soon as I get a moment I'll see if I can scratch out a few thoughts in lieu of a full review. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ * email: tela@tela.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:27:50 -0500 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: enhanced cd woes & DVD players Here's something that may be *worse* than the enhanced CD problem (while we're on the subject of technology angst): Duplicated CDs may not play in DVD players. DVD movie players also play music CDs, but the one I have only plays store-bought CDs. CDs that have been duplicated on a computer --and CDs that have been burned on a stand-alone audio CD copier-- do not play on my DVD player. The DVD player reports "No Disc." I don't know if this is true for all DVD players, but if it is true, that's bad news, since DVD is coming whether we're ready or not. It would especially annoying (not to mention obnoxious) if DVD players didn't play CDs that were duplicated on audio CD copiers, since there's a so-called royalty fee built into the cost of each blank CD. - --Bill n.p. K's Choice, Cocoon Crash DVD players that won't play duplicated CDs At 10:57 PM 12/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 12/16/1999 -0600, Carolyn Andre wrote: > >At 12:57 PM 12/16/99 , Bill commented: > > > > I couldn't agree more. It is becoming a major pain, and an even bigger > > > turn off, to have to fight a CD's executable content when I stick it > > > into my computer's CDROM drive. When I play a music CD, it is the > > > music content which I want to hear! ... there > > > doesn't seem to be a way to defeat these executables from automatically > > > launching. I hate it! > Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:23:04 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: (not exactly) 1999 (not quite) top ten Hi! Greg (!!!!!) posted: >Experimental Musical Instrument Journal: "Orbitones, Spoon Harps, and >Bellowphones", and its '96 prequel "Gravikords, Whirlies, and >Pyrophones". erm, well, marginally more likely to get radio play than >"The Music of Islam", but only on some distant planet. Funny, I've heard bits of the prequel on WPKN on several occasions. Of course, Rod Richardson's Radio Nothing has often been accused of coming from another planet, so maybe that does follow. :) How the heck have you been?! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:31:55 -0500 From: meredith Subject: a very odd musical moment Hi! So earlier this evening woj and I sat down to watch the last two Buffy episodes, which we hadn't had a chance to catch at the time of broadcast due to Intervening Life. (I think I may be forced to conclude that this week's episode, "Hush" may just be the best hour of television I've ever seen - Joss Whedon is a genius.) Anyway, so we're fast-forwarding through the commercials and stop a bit early on a WB promo for that new show Roswell (which I hear is good, but it stars the actress who played *the* most annoying character ever to appear on Xena, so I can't even begin to look at her), and I almost fall off the couch when I realize the music in the promo is Sheila Chandra!!!! I believe it was "Ever So Lonely/Eyes/Ocean" from _Weaving My Ancestors Voices_. This is just getting *too* weird. What's next -- a Veda song showing up in Felicity??? :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #413 **************************