From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #346 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, October 18 1999 Volume 05 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- To Chicago ecto [Kay S Cleaves ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Happy Rhodes in Chicago [Michael Eisenberg ] A little Jill Sobule in the news [HORTER!!! ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Jeffrey Burka ] revisiting Blair Witch Proj - parody [Carolyn Andre ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Dan Knoff ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Jeffrey Burka ] Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd [neal copperman ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Talamasca ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Joseph Zitt ] laurie anderson's "songs from _moby dick_" [meredith ] Re: Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Jeffrey Burka ] Susan McKeown music in commercial (was Re: Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd) [] Re: Happy Rhodes in Chicago [Talamasca ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [jason and jill ] chieftens/Hersh [neal copperman ] Re: Happy Rhodes in Chicago (AND ELSEWHERE) [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollm] Ida/His Name Is Alive Tour - anyone gone? [rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmey] kym brown mp3s [Damon des Jumeaux ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:49:34 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: To Chicago ecto Hey folks-- I am so unhappy, but I can't get to the Project Lo/Happy concert at Martyr's because I'll be doing a show *at the theatre next door* on that night. Argh! I'll be so close that I can hear the bass from Martyr's through the back wall of the sound booth where I'll be grumpily pushing buttons until 9:30pm. If I run, I might be able to get in afterwards. I'll try, but if Happy is opening, I'll probably miss her. Sigh. But...if you're gonna be in the area anyways, scope out ATC next door to Martyrs and drop in some other night to see my show! It's a real hoot, a Russian farce (if you can believe it) and my first freelance gig as a professional theatre technician. The Tribune called the show a best bet. It's called Zoyka's Apartment, it was banned in the USSR and is being performed in a new English adaptation. Apologies for the plug, but it makes me feel better since I have to miss Happy. *snif* - --Kay np: Belly, Star nr: The Mists of Avalon (RIP, Marion Zimmer Bradley--we will miss you.) Ecto Webring: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Webring.html Ecto CD Store Directory: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Music/Directory.html ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Kim Klouda (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Neil K. Thu November 14 1968 Grocible Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:29:49 -0600 From: Michael Eisenberg Subject: Happy Rhodes in Chicago Hi Kay...and everyone else... Kay S Cleaves wrote: > Hey folks-- > > I am so unhappy, but I can't get to the Project Lo/Happy concert at > Martyr's because I'll be doing a show *at the theatre next door* on that > night. Argh! I'll be so close that I can hear the bass from Martyr's > through the back wall of the sound booth where I'll be grumpily pushing > buttons until 9:30pm. If I run, I might be able to get in afterwards. > I'll try, but if Happy is opening, I'll probably miss her. Sigh. Happy isnt opening...she is headlining WITH Project Lo. And if you're done by 9:30 you'll definitely be able to catch the show because they won't even hit the stage till 9:45 or so. The worse that will happen is you'll miss the support band. Michael - -- Outré Music Music Beyond Boundaries ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:23:47 -0400 From: HORTER!!! Subject: A little Jill Sobule in the news *** Singer takes jab at NYC mayor MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - A little bit of New York City turmoil has made it to the heart of blues country. Singer-songwriter Jill Sobule of New York wrote and performed a song Thursday at the Associated Press Managing Editors conference, tweaking Mayor Rudolph Giuliani for his fervent opposition to an exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of Art that includes a painting of the Virgin Mary decorated with dung. The song, titled "Call Rudy," includes the lyrics: "Call Rudy if your art's a little queer, call Rudy, election year is near. Don't call the Whitney, don't call the Met, don't call MoMa, lest you forget. You can be a sensation on every news station, lines round the block to see your degradation. It's your duty, call Rudy." Sobule performed the song during an APME panel discussion on music censorship. She says she plans to record "Call Rudy." HORTER!!! n.p.: XTC - Homespun n.r.: Kurt Andersen - Turn of the Century ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:02:48 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Dan Knoff sez: > Soporific? I was disappointed in Surfacing when it first came out. But > even though it was not another FTE, it has its pearls. A point in time > came when I realized that she would never put out another FTE. She has > grown past that point. It's in the past. That's when I came to love > Surfacing...not like FTE, but it shines in places. It's funny how some fans won't let other fans have an opinion about a sucky album without having to raise claims that the first fan is accusing the artist of selling out or simply isn't willing to let the artist be who s/he is. _Surfacing_ sucks. It has wonderful moments. Truly amazing moments. They are few and far between. Do I think Sarah sold out? No. Am I not willing to let her be who she wants to be? No, not that either. But I'm also not going to rush out and buy yet another with single yet another fucking version of "I Will Remember You" (which I mostly hated when it first came out on the _Brothers McMullen_ soundtrack, and the only thing that saved its initial release as a single was that it was backed with a fabu live version of "Ice Cream.") just because it has Sarah McLachlan's name on it. When I realized that I didn't like the direction she was heading, I bitched and moaned on ecto, but I never accused of her selling out. Nor did I give up my love for her earlier work. > I think a lot of people don't like Surfacing because of the > radio airplay. Yawn. Thanks for telling us what we think. Why is it, then, that the reviews of _Surfacing_ on ecto were overwhelmingly lousy within the week the album was released (there were an awful lot of us chomping at the bit for a new Sarah release), long before the airplay (for anything other than "Building a Mystery") got heavy. > It's also kind of interesting how a lot of people who liked her earlier > stuff don't like the newer stuff. I know a lot of fans who like the > innocent, waif-like Sarah...the one who was a victim a lot of the time. > Surfacing shows her growing past that. Hunh? Most folks I know liked FTE best and then vary on the other two. What is it that you think she hadn't grown through on FTE that she has on _Surfacing_? Did you miss the whole, "All the fear has left me now / I'm not frightened anymore" bit? Was that the victimized, waif-like Sarah to whom you're referring? Actually, if you really want to get all lit-critty on her older lyrics, I think it'd be easy to show that she was far more the proactive champion of the downtrodden than the victim. > I think that scares some people, particularly men. Oh. My. God. You did NOT just say that, did you? (Hey, all you Diamanda Galas fans out there, are you frightened of Sarah now that she has boyishly short hair and isn't a victim?) > God forbid Sarah finds her power! heehee And if you've > seen her recently, she is not the shy performer she was. She wasn't shy any of the 4 times I saw her -- and the last of those four was two years before the first Lilith. Of course, her music didn't suck then either. jeff n.p. _Universe_, Sarah Slean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:45:16 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: revisiting Blair Witch Proj - parody Came across this on a radio dj list, and recalled the discussions of BWP here on ecto. The referenced recording is quite irreverent and country ... >>>Subject: "Blair Witch Blues" offered to FolkDJs >>> >>> Howdy, FolkDJs. I'm conducting an experiment in quick distribution >>>of a topical tune. Many of you know me from the topical songs I've >>>written for the Jim Hightower radio show. I've just recorded "The Blair >>>Witch Blues," a parody of the over-hyped independent film about three >>>annoying and blurry people lost in the woods. Imagine Hank Williams >>>meets The Monster Mash, and you'll get the idea. >>> This song's got such a short shelf life, I'm not selling it >>>anywhere. But I am making it available to interested FolkDJs who think >>>their listeners might get a kick out of it. To keep my expenses down, I >>>only ask that, if possible, you preview the song before you order. I'm >>>making it easy. You can find it in streaming RealAudio at my website >>> >>>www.acousticmusic.com/frames/frog.htm >>> >>> You can also download an MP3 version from my site, if you're MP3 >>>enabled. If you're not, you can order the CD single by snail mail by >>>dropping me a line at frog@io.com. Thanks for your interest, and take a >>>map when you go out in the woods. >>> >>>Steve Brooks >>>Frog Records >>>Austin, Texas >>>frog@io.com Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:51:02 -0500 From: Dan Knoff Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Jeffrey Burka wrote: > It's funny how some fans won't let other fans have an opinion about > a sucky album without having to raise claims that the first fan is > accusing the artist of selling out or simply isn't willing to let the > artist be who s/he is. Sucky would be a technical term, correct? I never accused anyone on this list of accusing Sarah of selling out. I have heard people say it outright. Just wanted to clear that bullshit up. > _Surfacing_ sucks. It has wonderful moments. Truly amazing moments. That would be your opinion. Remember that. > They are few and far between. Another opinion. Thanks for sharing. > Yawn. Thanks for telling us what we think. I wasn't directing that at you. You are not the center of the universe buddy. > Why is it, then, that the reviews of _Surfacing_ on ecto were > overwhelmingly lousy within the week the album was released (there > were an awful lot of us chomping at the bit for a new Sarah release), > long before the airplay (for anything other than "Building a Mystery") > got heavy. Most of the Sarah fans I know didn't like Surfacing much when it first came out. Very few like it more than FTE and Solace. A lot of people have had to grow into it, because it is different. I don't have an answer as to why it received "lousy" reviews. To pronounce someone else's art "lousy" is egotistical and just plain ignorant. It is one thing to say you don't like something. Save the "lousy" pronouncements. It shows a tremendous amount of immaturity. > Of course, her music didn't suck then either. More opinions! Grow up lil' partner! Love and Peace, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:43:07 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Dan Knoff sez, in response to me: > > _Surfacing_ sucks. It has wonderful moments. Truly amazing moments. > > That would be your opinion. Remember that. Of course it's my opinion. I couldn't very well be speaking for someone else, now could I? > Another opinion. Thanks for sharing. My pleasure. Anything else I can help you with? > > Yawn. Thanks for telling us what we think. > > I wasn't directing that at you. You posted it on ecto and you were critical of people who don't like _Surfacing_, whether it's because we're now scared of Sarah, or because we believe she sold out, or because her songs are being played too often on the radio (though of course it can't be because, in our subjective, aesthetic-based opinions, the album is boring, or, to use a word that seems to have started all this, 'soporific'). So: to whom were you directing it? > You are not the center of the universe buddy. Well duh. But my opinions, as posted on ecto, are no less important than anyone else's. Why shouldn't I express them? I've expressed an awful lot of opinions on ecto over the last 8.5 years; I can't recall every being accused of such heavy self-centrism before. > To pronounce someone else's art "lousy" is egotistical and just > plain ignorant. It is one thing to say you don't like something. Hmm. So it was okay for me to call it boring, dull, or soporific, but I can't say lousy? or sucky? Whether or not the act of criticizing any form of art, whether it be literature, music, or visual is inherently egotistical is not really the issue here. It may or may not be, but it _is_ a culturally accepted act. We pay people to review things for us -- we pay for their opinions. We may prefer that they include examples as to why a piece of art caused a particular reaction, whether it was boredom or passion, and in fact that may be what separates good critics from bad critics -- it's certainly easier to judge how closely your opinion matches that of a critic (and, therefore, how much to trust that critic) if you know that your reactions had the same, or at least similar causes. Indeed, my use of the terms sucky or lousy are the sorts of responses that do not provide the sorts of explication you might desire to better understand my opinion. On the other hand, I knew that my opinion -- with at least slightly more detailed explanation, had already been made known on ecto and was available either through the archives or through the Ectophile's Guide to Good Music. I'm a little curious as to why you went straight for the ad hominem attack rather than make any kind of comment on the issues I raised in arguement to your explanations as to Why We Don't Like Sarah Anymore. I'm much more interested in things like what, exactly, it was you found about _Surfacing_ to think that Sarah had lost her waif-like innocence -- and how you would differentiate that from my example from FTE. Make this discussion more than just an excuse for name calling. jeff n.p. _High Relief_, Susan Court ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:04:27 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd At 6:43 PM -0400 10/17/99, Jeffrey Burka wrote: >I'm a little curious as to why you went straight for the ad hominem >attack rather than make any kind of comment on the issues I raised in >arguement to your explanations as to Why We Don't Like Sarah Anymore. Gee, Jeff, it seems a touch obvious why he went that way. Though I venture I'll be wandering a tad into the same territory that annoyed you in his post by expressing his opinion for him. So, to make it clear up front, this is projection from an impartial participant: He responded to the attacks cause they rankled far more than the opinion. Weren't they meant to? I mean, you could have responded to the opinions too, rather than attacking yourself. >I'm much more interested in things like what, exactly, it was you >found about _Surfacing_ to think that Sarah had lost her waif-like >innocence -- and how you would differentiate that from my example >from FTE. Make this discussion more than just an excuse for >name calling. I agree that this would be a far more interesting discussion. neal np: tears of stone - the Chieftans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:15:12 -0500 From: Talamasca Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Perhaps it's dangerous to butt my head into a thread whose origins I missed (just got back online after changing ISPs--my school finally figured out that I'd graduated), but here goes: At 04:51 PM 10/17/1999 -0500, Dan Knoff wrote: >Jeffrey Burka wrote: >> _Surfacing_ sucks. It has wonderful moments. Truly amazing moments. >That would be your opinion. Remember that. I think he does. I think most people here do too. Perhaps Jeff should have sprinkled his post with "IMO"s. Perhaps it should be obvious that it was opinion. (It's not as if he said: "Surfacing sucks and you're an idiot if you like it" or something.) >> Why is it, then, that the reviews of _Surfacing_ on ecto were >> overwhelmingly lousy within the week the album was released >Most of the Sarah fans I know didn't like Surfacing much when it first >came out. Very few like it more than FTE and Solace. A lot of people >have had to grow into it, because it is different. Granted. I've encountered many an album which, at the least, I didn't understand at first, thought "what _is_ this piece of crap?". It was like that when I first heard Kate's Hounds of Love, and similarly with Happy's works. Now they're favorites. However, I do still find Surfacing lacking. What does it lack? Poetry. It lacks the poetic imagery which drew me to her when I first picked up Solace, when I saw my first Sarah concert in '94, when I bought Touch and FTE. Without that poetry, with Surfacing, Sarah's lyrics aren't really much more than pop lyrics. All of this, as you understand, is my opinion. 8^) >I don't have an answer as to why it received "lousy" reviews. You might note that "lousy" can be used in a relative sense. I doubt that any of those reviews meant that, when compared with, say, an album by Hanson, Surfacing was the worse. I know that when _I_ say that Surfacing was not a good album, I mean that it is not good when compared to what we've come to expect of her, what she's capable of--i.e., when compared to her other material. I'd still rather listen to Surfacing 20 times before listening to a Mariah Carey album once. >To pronounce someone >else's art "lousy" is egotistical and just plain ignorant. It is one thing >to say you don't like something. Save the "lousy" pronouncements. It shows >a tremendous amount of immaturity. Actually, it is a sign of maturity itself to be able to discriminate with respect to tastes. Immaturity is to automatically accept that which is thrust upon us by others--an artists, the radio, even friends--with no thought, opinion, or comment. >> Of course, her music didn't suck then either. >More opinions! Grow up lil' partner! A sign of maturity indeed. John Higdon (Talamasca) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:12:46 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd On Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 04:51:02PM -0500, Dan Knoff wrote: > Sucky would be a technical term, correct? I never accused anyone on this > list of accusing Sarah of selling out. I have heard people say it outright. > Just wanted to clear that bullshit up. I suggest that you read the messages that have been sent under your name to this list. If you did not say what is in them, your account is being hacked. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:30:24 -0400 From: meredith Subject: laurie anderson's "songs from _moby dick_" Hi! Last night woj and I caught the last performance of Laurie Anderson's "Songs And Stories From _Moby Dick_" at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. Since we were a bit late getting tickets aranged our seats were waaaaay in back of the Mezzanine, but I don't think we missed too much. The capsule review: Vintage Laurie. Wonderful. There were a lot of the same old things (the funky processed voices; the show's structure: start off with Laurie playing a haunting theme on her electric violin, then move into increasingly more complex music punctuated by amusing spoken-word interludes), but there was enough new stuff to make the whole work fascinatingly fresh. The four actors, in particular the one who portrayed Ahab were all great. (In fact, my favorite musical compositions were the ones for Ahab. They were the most energetic and percussive.) The music was unmistakably Laurie Anderson, though a couple of the songs came dangerously close to pop (yet they still worked very well). One of the funniest moments was the actors' performance of a sea shanty taken from the John Barrymore movie, which apparently has very little to do with the book outside of the title. The new invention for this show was the Talking Stick, a harpoon-like staff which emits all sorts of chopped-up sounds depending on how and where the player runs their hands along it. It was really cool -- even after reading the production notes about it, I still have absolutely no clue how it works. There wasn't enough of it in the show, though (imho). I can't wait for the CD to be released. I need to listen to the music with the lyric sheet handy. Oh yeah, and maybe I should read _Moby Dick_, too. ;> Anybody know if there are any plans to release a performance video? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:12:41 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd neal sez: > At 6:43 PM -0400 10/17/99, Jeffrey Burka wrote: > > >I'm a little curious as to why you went straight for the ad hominem > >attack rather than make any kind of comment on the issues I raised in > >arguement to your explanations as to Why We Don't Like Sarah Anymore. > > Gee, Jeff, it seems a touch obvious why he went that way. There's never anything obvious to describe why someone resorts to ad hominem attacks ("You're egotistical! You're immature!" rather than addressing the issues. > He responded to the attacks cause they rankled far more than the opinion. > Weren't they meant to? I mean, you could have responded to the opinions > too, rather than attacking yourself. But I _did_ respond to the opinions. While yes, I was rather rankled by the assumptions about folks who dislike _Surfacing_, I neither stooped to name calling nor failed to try to address the thoughts, at least some of them, raised in the initial response (which, of course, was a response to Joe's and others' discussion of the _Mirrorball_ DVD -- part of what makes the whole "I wasn't talking about you" argument so silly is that Dan's post was in response to what others were saying...if he wasn't talking about us, about whom was he speaking?) > np: tears of stone - the Chieftans despite playing the Chieftains around the house for years, that was the disc that got my dad into the band -- he heard part of it on NPR and ordered it from amazon. I've since dumped some more of their albums on him, and he seems to like those just fine too. On a vaguely related note -- were my ears deceiving me earlier this evening, or did I actually hear Susan McKeown's lovely voice gracing a commercial? I have no idea what the product/brand was, as I only caught the last few seconds of the spot, but it featured a girl and a man driving in a car, with the girl sticking her hands up through the sun roof of the car. If it wasn't Susan, it was someone doing an uncanny impersonation. I don't expect Neal to know the answer to this one (funny thing about not owning a TV...) but anyone else? And, Neal, if you've managed to read this far, I'm definitely interested in that Kristin Hersh show in B'more at the end of the month. What was the date, and just how late do you think the show is going to start? I'm not sure just how late I can manage to be out and still function at work the next day... jeff n.p. _And the Angels Swing_, Bruce Kaminsky's Klezmer Jazz Ensemble ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:23:33 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Susan McKeown music in commercial (was Re: Referee: sarah mcgoblin dvd) Hi! jeffy inquired: >On a vaguely related note -- were my ears deceiving me earlier >this evening, or did I actually hear Susan McKeown's lovely voice >gracing a commercial? If it was an Audi ad, then you did. Apparently they're using "H-O Abha-inn" from _Bushes and Briars_ in a new commercial for a station wagon or some such thing. I haven't seen this myself (Audi isn't sponsoring either of the baseball championship series :), but folks were talking about it on the Curiouser list earlier this week. Apparently if I'd had time to watch more football today, I'd have had a better chance to catch it. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:28:26 -0500 From: Talamasca Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes in Chicago Okay, so, being offline and off-Ecto for the past week (as well as not really reading it as much as I onetime did), I apparently missed something. Happy's gonna be in Chicago? If someone could email me the specifics, I would be most appreciative. Thanks. John Higdon (Talamasca) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Dan Knoff wrote: > Sucky would be a technical term, correct? I never accused anyone on this > list of accusing Sarah of selling out. I have heard people say it outright. > Just wanted to clear that bullshit up. Come, let us parse together. Quote from original post: > I think a lot of > people don't like Surfacing because of the radio airplay. It's almost > as if they think that Sarah sold out. I personally believe that she > is only popular now because of Lilith Fair. Radio finally figured out > that she was big and cashed in on her, not the other way around. >Surfacing > has it's gems...hardly soporific. Okay, maybe you pulled the selling out stuff out of your butt with no relation to ecto, but you sure left that for us to figure out. A lot of people don't like Surfacing because of the radio airplay. They think (almost) Sarah sold out. But of course, that doesn't apply to the people on this list. Don't Clinton that bullshit... :) Btw, Surfacing is a snoozer, a dull half-baked album and musical replacement for a percocet and a couple of shots of scotch. Staple some IMO or IMHO, or whatever you like to the end of that to make you feel better. Of course, when people carry on about IMHO, what they really mean is that no opinion should be given without following it with IMHOWMLPTTPAOAWD--In My Humble Opinion With My Lips Pressed To The Puckered Ass Of Anyone Who Disagrees. btw, felt that way about Surfacing before the radio play, and I don't find terribly challenging Sarah's PR transformation from granola waif to amiable penis-dreaming f*cktoy. Seems to me she made herself more fratboy friendly. IMHO. ;) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:58:03 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: chieftens/Hersh At 9:12 PM -0400 10/17/99, Jeffrey Burka wrote: >> np: tears of stone - the Chieftans > >despite playing the Chieftains around the house for years, that was >the disc that got my dad into the band -- he heard part of it on NPR >and ordered it from amazon. I've since dumped some more of their >albums on him, and he seems to like those just fine too. I tend to be fairly lukewarm on the Chieftans. I appreciate their place in history, and am thankful for all the people that I like better who were influenced by them. But I find them to be a bit on the sleepy side. Though every one of these albums with mutliple guests have had cool surprises on them. I seem to have mostly listened to the first half of the album, and some of the contributions that I thought might have worked particularly well leave me cold. In particular, Anuna and Bonnie Raitt don't seem to really play into their strengths that well. I'm still trying to sort out if I like this version of Joni Mitchell's Magdelene Laundries or not. It certainly sounds better on my real stereo than the smaller one upstairs. I really like the Sinead O'Connor song, and found Natalie Merchant to be a surprisingly great contributor. I wouldn't have imagined enjoying a pairing of her and the Chieftans that much. She seems to feel the flow of the song really well. People I find kind of bland remain bland in this setting (the Corrs, The Rankins - hmmm, both families, wonder what that means). I also rather like the Japanese piece by Akiko Yano, which is very non-standard. >And, Neal, if you've managed to read this far, I'm definitely interested >in that Kristin Hersh show in B'more at the end of the month. What was >the date, and just how late do you think the show is going to start? I'm >not sure just how late I can manage to be out and still function at work >the next day... I guess I passed the test, as here I am at the bottom. I just called the Ottobar and got various contradictory information from the woman who answered the phone, which puts me in mind more of late than what she said. She claimed the show would start around 8:30 with opener mia dol todd (anyone know anything about her?). Then she claimed that Kristin would come on around 11, which seems either a remarcably long opening set, or a big break. Personally, I expect the opener to come on around 9:30 or 10, with Kristin probably coming on around 11. I haven't been to the Ottobar in over a year, so I don't have much to go on. The date of the show is Monday, Oct 25. Tix are a ridiculously measly $8 with no service charge. I can pick one up for you (or anyone who is interested). neal np: tears of stone - the Chieftans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:37:11 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes in Chicago (AND ELSEWHERE) Talamasca writes: > Okay, so, being offline and off-Ecto for the past week (as well as not > really reading it as much as I onetime did), I apparently missed something. > Happy's gonna be in Chicago? If someone could email me the specifics, I > would be most appreciative. Thanks. We'll take it from the top, then 8) - It's quite old news, actually, just now getting the attention I thought it would when it was announced by Rich straight from the fingers of Bon: | From: rich.rapp@effem.com | To: ecto@smoe.org | Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:51:17 -0400 | Subject: New letter from Bon Lozaga ... | Project Lo w/ Happy Rhodes will be touring in Nov. Six dates have already | been confirmed. More to come soon! | From: rich.rapp@effem.com | To: ecto@smoe.org | Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:37:22 -0400 | Subject: Project Lo Tour dates | | >From Bon.... | ------------------------------------- | | Hey Rich, | Here are the dates for PL | | Nov. 11 Chicago, IL Martyrs Club | Nov. 12 Detroit, MI (Mt. Clemens) JD's Macomb Theater | Nov. 13 Harrisburg, PA (New Cumberland) The Wire | Nov. 18 D.C. (Wheaton) Phantasmagoria | Nov. 19 Phila., PA Tin Angel (2 shows) | Nov. 20 Albany, NY Valentines | | Thanks for helping to get the word out about these shows and supporting our | music! | Bon After Rich confirmed through Bon that Happy would be at those 6 dates, a note I wrote singling out the Chicago date didn't receive any followup: | From: rjk1@siesta (Bob Kollmeyer) | Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:31:13 -0500 | To: ecto@smoe.org | Subject: Re: Happy to appear with Project Lo all 6 dates | | rich.rapp@effem.com writes: | > The following letter says it all....... | > | > From: LOLOREC on 07/29/99 06:31 PM | > | > << I posted them on the Happy Rhodes newsgroup and the question came up if | > she | > will be appearing at all 6 shows.>> | > | > Yeah, the Hapster has agreed to do those. | > | > later, | > Bon | | So, any word if, *as long as she's along for the ride*, Bon'll be turning | the tables and asking Happy to perform as the opening act? Not that it | would influence me one way or the other; the vacation days for the Chicago | date are already reserved. 8) "Turning the tables" since Bon, in addition to being part of Happy's band at the Tin Angel, opened for her. Only after Mitch posted about it earlier this week did Michael jump in with the specifics: | From: Michael Eisenberg | Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:46:58 -0600 | CC: ecto | Subject: Re: Music in Chicago | | The following show will be at Martrys', 3855 N. Lincoln Ave. Chicago. | The phone number is (773) 404-9494. | | PROJECT LO Featuring HAPPY RHODES: Thurday, November 11th 9pm | | Playing in support of Project Lo will be the THIRD COAST STRING | QUARTET. More info about them will be forthcoming in the next update. And: | From: Michael Eisenberg | Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:29:49 -0600 | To: ecto@smoe.org | Subject: Happy Rhodes in Chicago | | Happy isnt opening...she is headlining WITH Project Lo. And if you're done | by 9:30 you'll definitely be able to catch the show because they won't even | hit the stage till 9:45 or so. The worse that will happen is you'll miss And that's where things stand - you're officially caught up. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:52:37 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Subject: Ida/His Name Is Alive Tour - anyone gone? puppycakes writes: > >First off, we're emailing you tour dates for the lovely Ida. We know a lot > >of you have been waiting patiently to see Ida, as we have too. They've been > >in the studio for close to a year working on their next glorious record, but > >in the midst of all that they did release a stunning EP on Bingo called > >"Losing True", which they will have with them. Here are the dates! > > > >*******IDA with HIS NAME IS ALIVE********* > > > >Tue Oct 12 Pittsburgh, PA: Stevenson Theater > >Wed Oct 13 Grand Rapids, MI: Calvin College > >Thu Oct 14 Detroit, MI : I/O > >Fri Oct 15 Milwaukee, WI: Miramar Theater > >Sat Oct 16 Minneapolis, MN: 400 Bar > >Sun Oct 17 Chicago, IL: Schuba's > >Tue Oct 19 Urbana, IL: Courtyard Cafe > >Wed Oct 20 Bloomington, IN: House Show > >Fri Oct 22 Charlottesville, VA: Tokyo Rose > >Sat Oct 23 Arlington, VA: IOTA Cafe w/jenny toomey > >Sun Oct 24 New York, NY: Knitting Factory w/jenny toomey > >Tue Oct 26 Cambridge, MA: Middle East Downstairs > >Wed Oct 27 Providence, RI: Performance Workshop w/purple ivy shadows > >Thu Oct 28 Philadelphia, PA: Pontiac Grille w/archer prewitt+david > >grubbs > >Fri Oct 29 Balitmore, MD: H. Louis Gallery So, has anyone attended any of the shows on the first week of the tour? I was debating trying to get to the show in Urbana, but saw on the Schuba's web page that the show there two days pryor is listed as Ida and "Warren Defever (of HNIA)" - anyone know the scoop? I know HNIA is kind of amorphous, but couldn't find any info on current band status on the web. Definately could influence my decision. Thanks, Bob np. Red Dwarf - Future Echoes (ahhh, back to the early episodes!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon des Jumeaux Subject: kym brown mp3s hi! another one of those rare posts from damon! so, i have a treat for everyone. recently kym brown (the local vancouver artist neile and i have gone on about lately) gave a concert here, and was kind enough to let me tape it for neile, who couldn't get up to vancouver on that date. we taped it on laur's new digital video camera, and then i saved the recordings in sound files and encoded them as mp3s. the sound quality ended up so good i asked kym if she'd be interested in doing a little free promotion, offering the mp3s to the ecto community and whoever else might be interested. she agreed, and so the mp3s (and wav files for those with extremely fast connexions :) are available at http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/kymbrown/. some great music! unfortunately there are a few spots in the last song where the recording cuts out momentarily... i can't imagine why, but it's on the original tape, so unfortunately there's nothing really to be done about it. please respect her copyright, etc. kym also has samples from her album (pygmalion) on her site at http://www.kymbrown.com/ while i'm at it, i might as well make a plug for my latest silly project at http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/gibberserver/ ... i'm considering seeing if i can somehow get it mentioned on slashdot.org and see how odin handles slashdot effect... could be educational. ;) in other news, i recently got a copy of imogen heap's `i megaphone' on the recommendation of neile and jim and am loving it! she has such a distinctive style, to my ear, that i'm finding this cd one of the more refreshing musical experiences of recent years. excellent stuff! also picked up `savage' (one of the few eurythmics albums i didn't already have) in anticipation of their upcoming release. :) - -damon Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/>_ "Suburbia: where they tear out damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ the trees and then name Les Jums: jumeaux@jumeaux.bc.ca \ / streets after them." http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| - anonymous ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #346 **************************