From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #344 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, October 16 1999 Volume 05 : Number 344 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Paul Kim ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [josh burnett ] Posted stuff in trading post [Bill ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Joseph Zitt ] got my brendan perry tix! ["Heather Russell" ] Re: A Rebecca Timmons Web Site [Dan Knoff ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Dan Knoff ] Is Ecto here? ["Marcel Rijs" ] Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd [Joseph Zitt ] Re: A Rebecca Timmons Web Site [neal copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:33:59 -0400 From: Paul Kim Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd At 12:27 AM 10/15/99 -0500, Joseph Zitt wrote: >n.p. Sarah McLachlan: Mirrorball DVD How is that? Have you had a chance to watch it? I'm anxious to see how Vox comes across since I've been dying to see it captured on video. Is it basically a full concert, or is there a lot of editing from song to song that breaks the flow like the FTE Live video? What I wouldn't give for Nettwerk to release a full length DVD of Sarah's Solace and Fumbling tours... Paul "hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: josh burnett Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Regarding the subject line: "Sarah McGoblin" is my phrase. How did that work its way from FTE to Ecto? Heehee. I feel famous. ;-) Yeah, so I'm egocentric. jcb. Josh Burnett * www.sirius.com/~jcb9 * IM: joshjackal * ICQ: 23051834 California Academic Decathlon Web Ring: www.sirius.com/~jcb9/acadeca.html "Come on now, let me hear that dirty word - SOCIALISM!" - - Senator Jay Billington Bulworth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Posted stuff in trading post http://www.wagill.com/tradingpost/ecto/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:45:21 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 02:33:59AM -0400, Paul Kim wrote: > At 12:27 AM 10/15/99 -0500, Joseph Zitt wrote: > >n.p. Sarah McLachlan: Mirrorball DVD > > How is that? Have you had a chance to watch it? I'm anxious to see how > Vox comes across since I've been dying to see it captured on video. Is it > basically a full concert, or is there a lot of editing from song to song > that breaks the flow like the FTE Live video? It's a full concert. There's interview footage, but due to the possibilities of the DVD format, it's off elsewhere, not interrupting the concert. On the whole, I prefer the CD, but for petty reasons: I find Sarah's look and stage presence (or lack thereof) annoying, with the overdone makeup, feather boa, and all that. I like to see her befriend some really good drag queens so they could makeover her makeover :-) But the music's good, especially (as on the CD) from "Fear" on, when she digs herself out from under the more soporific Surfacing material and rocks out some. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:33:37 -0400 From: "Heather Russell" Subject: got my brendan perry tix! Hi everyone, Thanks for your help on how to get tix for the Brendan Perry show at the 9:30 club - I got them this morning, and can't wait! I have relatives in DC so I'll have a place to crash.... Let me know if there will be any kind of ecto gathering - it would be nice to meet some of the DC ectophiles while I'm there. :) heather ************************************************** * Heather Russell * My music site: http://www.heatherrussell.com * My CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/russell * MP3 page: http://www.mp3.com/artists/27/heather_russell.html * Indiegrrl: http://indiegrrl.c! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:40:05 -0500 From: Dan Knoff Subject: Re: A Rebecca Timmons Web Site Just curious.....is Rebecca Timmons related to the Timmons' of Cowboy Junkies fame? Thanks, Dan Love and Peace ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:26:27 -0500 From: Dan Knoff Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd Joseph Zitt wrote: > On the whole, I prefer the CD, but for petty reasons: I find Sarah's > look and stage presence (or lack thereof) annoying, with the overdone > makeup, feather boa, and all that. I like to see her befriend some > really good drag queens so they could makeover her makeover :-) It's funny how people sometimes have a hard time letting someone be themselves. What is Sarah's stage presence supposed to be like? Just because someone doesn't run around and crack jokes or get all theatric doesn't mean they don't have a stage presence. To say that Sarah has no stage presence is crazy. When I saw her in Fairfax in the fall of 1997 she held the audience in the palm of her hand. I have never been to a concert where the audience was so attentive. During Do What You Have To Do (one of those "soporific" Surfacing tunes,) it was only her and her piano and I could not hear a single sound in the whole auditorium. Not one single sound...no rustling... no chit chat. Just the music. It was erie. Someone without stage presence could not do that. > But the music's good, especially (as on the CD) from "Fear" on, when > she digs herself out from under the more soporific Surfacing material > and rocks out some. Soporific? I was disappointed in Surfacing when it first came out. But even though it was not another FTE, it has its pearls. A point in time came when I realized that she would never put out another FTE. She has grown past that point. It's in the past. That's when I came to love Surfacing...not like FTE, but it shines in places. I never liked I Love You until I heard it in concert. Same with DWYHTD. I think a lot of people don't like Surfacing because of the radio airplay. It's almost as if they think that Sarah sold out. I personally believe that she is only popular now because of Lilith Fair. Radio finally figured out that she was big and cashed in on her, not the other way around. Surfacing has it's gems...hardly soporific. It's also kind of interesting how a lot of people who liked her earlier stuff don't like the newer stuff. I know a lot of fans who like the innocent, waif-like Sarah...the one who was a victim a lot of the time. Surfacing shows her growing past that. I think that scares some people, particularly men. God forbid Sarah finds her power! heehee And if you've seen her recently, she is not the shy performer she was. She's growing up. Love and Peace, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:02:37 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Is Ecto here? Hi, It's been some time since I last saw an ecto digest in my mailbox. What has happened? Is ecto dead? Or have I been unsubscribed? I feel very lonely. :-( (Replies to me personally please as I -obviously- can't read the mailing list... if it's still there.) Kind regards, Marcel Rijs KB, afdeling Voorlichting marcel.rijs@kb.nl (work) mfgr@casema.net (private) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:06:45 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: sarah mcgoblin dvd On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 10:26:27PM -0500, Dan Knoff wrote: > To say that > Sarah has no stage presence is crazy. When I saw her in Fairfax in > the fall of 1997 she held the audience in the palm of her hand. I > have never been to a concert where the audience was so attentive. Word has it that she did do captivating concerts in the past. The one live show I saw of hers (Philadelphia 1994) was rather lifeless, though it might have only seemed so because she was following a stellar performance by October Project. > > But the music's good, especially (as on the CD) from "Fear" on, when > > she digs herself out from under the more soporific Surfacing material > > and rocks out some. > > Soporific? I was disappointed in Surfacing when it first came out. But > even though it was not another FTE, it has its pearls. A point in time > came when I realized that she would never put out another FTE. She has > grown past that point. It's in the past. That's when I came to love > Surfacing...not like FTE, but it shines in places. I never liked I Love > You until I heard it in concert. Same with DWYHTD. I think a lot of > people don't like Surfacing because of the radio airplay. It's almost > as if they think that Sarah sold out. I personally believe that she > is only popular now because of Lilith Fair. Radio finally figured out > that she was big and cashed in on her, not the other way around. Surfacing > has it's gems...hardly soporific. Well, you might reparse my sentence more carefully: she digs herself out from under the more soporific material (including DWYHTD, I Love You, and Adia) and gets better (on material including Sweet Surrender and Angel). This does not mean in any sense that the entirety of Surfacing is soporific, that knee-jerk reading notwithstanding. I was disappointed in it when it first came out. I remain disappointed in it. If she's "grown" past it, it's rather in the way that you might say the Bowie's "Never Let Me Down" showed how much he had grown since "Heroes". I don't dislike it because of the radio airplay -- I disliked it equally before the airplay, the amount of which continues to convince me that commercial radio must hear music in a different frequency than the rest of us. Or something. I also don't think she sold out. She just didn't write particularly strong songs this time out. Perhaps they worked live. They don't on video, which is, of course, a different medium. > It's also kind of interesting how a lot of people who liked her earlier > stuff don't like the newer stuff. I know a lot of fans who like the > innocent, waif-like Sarah...the one who was a victim a lot of the time. I'm not familiar with a victimized, waif-like Sarah. I've certainly never found her sound that way on the material (admittedly incomplete) with which I'm familiar. > Surfacing shows her growing past that. I think that scares some people, > particularly men. God forbid Sarah finds her power! heehee And if you've > seen her recently, she is not the shy performer she was. She's growing up. We obviously perceive "power" and "growing" differently. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:28:55 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: A Rebecca Timmons Web Site At 10:43 PM -0700 10/14/99, Neile Graham wrote: >Hmm. Her management contacted me through looking at deja.com for mentions >of Rebecca's name. Ecto is archived there through one of the foreign sites >(I wish this weren't the case--I personall would rather ecto didn't get >archived there). Wow, so maybe that's where I got on their list. I really don't like that. The few times I've been able to identify that sort of activity, it has always been for something I was sort of interested in. So maybe I should feel like it's a good example of targeted marketing at work, and not mind. But I do mind. I don't like the idea of people collecting information on me, even if it is supposed to be to "serve" me better. I always lie whenever I get market surveyed. Today, for the first time, I gave Best Buy a zip code that they wouldn't accept! I was intrigued by that. I'd toyed with giving them completely, obviously bogus zips before, but usually made something up similar to somewhere I'd lived before. This time, I used 12345, which was no good. Though the clerk just entered a zip of her own, so I'm not sure it mattered. And what's up with those digitized signature things? I don't like that at all either. I usually scribble so badly on them that they should reject it as not even my signature, but it really annoys me. >I found out that's where Rebecca's management person was reading ecto >because she thought she'd answered Neal's question about Rebecca's >reference to Turing in the title of her new disc--I had to tell her that >ecto was a mailing list and that she couldn't send messages to it through >deja.com like a regular newsgroup. Um, so what was the answer to my question? :) paranoidly yours, neal np: Blue Parade - Sarah Slean ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #344 **************************