From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #321 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, September 27 1999 Volume 05 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Hemlock and Thorazine, Strychnine and Lithium ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: various... (House of Hope) [neal copperman ] re:...end it (was ginko biloba...look into it) [Tom Ditto ] Re: when it rains it pours [Philip David Morgan ] RE: ...end it (was ginko biloba...look into it) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Hemlock and Thorazine, Strychnine and Lithium My suggestion, as it were, was but an exaggeration to replies posted here along the same lines. I'd hoped it would be taken as tongue in cheek as your own posts. I hold no malice towards you (as opposed to others, apparently). It is ridiculous that we are dwelling so long on this thread, I think the issue is "done" and we all know what we should or should not do, as good members of the illustrious ecto community. All this huffing is merely entertainment - and not too shabby at that, methinks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 04:39:34 EDT From: NNadelS@aol.com Subject: katel keineg in NYC! just learned that katell is playing at Joe's Pub on layfette on sept. 28th at 8:30. nuber is 212-539-8777 for info. i'm so excited! i haven't seen her since she played at cbgb's gallery a year ago! - -nick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 03:12:15 -0700 From: "Emily Perkins" Subject: San Francisco I've just moved from DC to San Francisco, and I've already seen some great concerts - Kristin Hersh twice last week, and then Merrie Amsterburg and Aimee Mann tonight. It's funny that I had to wait until I moved to the west coast to see Merrie Amsterburg live. Before tonight I only had one of Aimee Mann's albums - I'm With Stupid - and I never listened to it much. But the concert was great, and I have already listened to her preview EP (Bachelor No. 2) about 10 times. I highly recommend it. I was wondering if anyone can offer suggestions of San Francisco-area bands that are worth checking out. I've heard there are a lot of good ones, but I have no idea where to start. Thanks for any help you can provide. -Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:43:42 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: various... (House of Hope) At 8:35 PM -0400 9/24/99, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: >- I was going to make an ectoguide page for the Jazz Mandolin Project, a >very awesome instrumental trio. Incidentally, they're on tour right now, >and I would check them out. I might go to the show next Friday, 10/1 >(happy birthday early, Paul) in Pittsburgh. Talk more about them... they are coming to Baltimore and I don't know anything about them. Based on their name, they looked somewhat interesting but not compelling enough to be sure to see.. >-Still need album info for Rose Polenzani's _Anybody_ and Toni Childs' >_House of Hope_

House of Hope

Release info:

1991--A&M--75021 5358 2

Availability:

Ecto priority:

Group members:

Toni Childs

Guest artists:

Reginald Burrell--background vocals
Vinnie Colaiuta--drums
Luis Conte--percussion
Scott Crago--drums
Teresa DeLucio--background vocals
Denny Fongheiser--drums
David Hidalgo--guitar, accordion
Barbara Imhoff--harp
Jim Keltner--percussin
Brent Lewis--percussion
Rick Marotta--drums
Jeff Martin--keyboards
Jill Mele--background vocals
Tim Pierce--guitar
David Rhodes--guitar
David Ricketts--bass, guitar, keyboards, drum programs
Chas Sandford--guitar
Andy Summers--guitar
John Philip Shenale--keyboard programming
Unity Horns(Will Donato, Tony Guerrero, Tim Moynahan) - horns
Jerry Watts--bass
Crystal Wilson--background vocals
Penni Wilson--backgroud vocals

Produced by:

David Ricketts, Thoni Childs, Gavin MacKillop

Comments:

neal just finished playing - 2/3 'HFS Christmas Concert - Fiona Apple ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:03:35 -0400 From: Tom Ditto Subject: re:...end it (was ginko biloba...look into it) Foghorn wrote: > If > taping a song in concert is in itself strictly illegal, then the Dead were > co-conspirators all those years by permitting it. > > So the copyright owner does have the control. If they choose to pursue > copyright infringement, they have a case, since they have a piece of paper > that shows they own the rights. But strictly speaking, taping in a concert > does not appear to be illegal in and of itself. It *may* be a copyright > violation. It might not be. Depends on the specific copyright restrictions, > or *if* the recorded material even has a copyright. The Dead encouraged taping. They were an exceptional group of enterprising and creative people. They stood in the face of corporate record company executives and showed that you could grow an audience by allowing concert recording. The successful outcome of their efforts is now the stuff of legend. However, wish (or Phish) for a better world though we might, it is illegal to tape a concert, and the stricture can be enforced by using that thin "piece of paper," a document similar in its origins to deeds and other property titles. David Home, the 18th century English philosopher, wrote that private property was the basis of law. The US Constitution so completely adopted this sentiment that it included an intellectual property clause, the first ever so framed (the English version depended on common law). Carried to excess, copyright law could be used to suppress the distribution of microphone "asides" made in a concert. If a performer wanted to follow such a course, the tape of the concert would need to be entered into the US Copyright Office with a written transcription before any legal action could be taken, but afterward the bootlegger could be taken to court. Arguments about the creative significance of the "asides" could go either way. The fair use provision could be invoked by the defendants, especially if the "asides" were distributed in an edited format as Foghorn suggests they might. This has been the nub of debates about sampling. Once seed material is significantly modified, the modification can become he property of the second source. I have little doubt that this imbroglio was triggered by either an artist or her lawyers. The Ectofest has everything to gain by distibution of recordings of this concert, and for one, I am extremely sorry to see to whole thing blow up in our faces. The organizers were generous to a fault with their resources and time. Admittedly, the artists were equally giving by virtue of their performances, but the spirit of generosity doesn't stop at Lake Kenosia's edge. Dr. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: San Francisco (and Aimee Mann) On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Emily Perkins wrote: > I've just moved from DC to San Francisco, and I've already seen some great > concerts - Kristin Hersh twice last week, and then Merrie Amsterburg and > Aimee Mann tonight. It's funny that I had to wait until I moved to the west > coast to see Merrie Amsterburg live. Welcome Emily! I'm another East Coast -> West Coast transplant. I was also at the Aimee Mann show tonight. Aimee was incredible! Unfortunately, I can't really offer a judgment on Merrie, since the audience was talking so loudly during her set of rather quiet acoustic music...grr... For some strange reason, Aimee only brought 100 copies of her wonderful EP to sell at the show. They were all gone in a flash and two of my friends who wanted to buy them, couldn't. There were at least 450 people in the sold-out, VERY VERY crowded club. I'll bet she could have sold at least a couple hundred more if she'd had 'em! > I was wondering if anyone can offer suggestions of San Francisco-area bands > that are worth checking out. I've heard there are a lot of good ones, but > I have no idea where to start. Thanks for any help you can provide. Why not start on Oct. 16 by checking out Emily Bezar and Amy X Neuberg and Men, two of the SF bands that have given me the most hours of pleasure and fun since I moved out here. I've seen them both numerous times and they're wonderful live. http://www.isproductions.com/amy/proj.shtml has the details on the Oct. 16 gig. Sadly, another one of my favorite local performers, Penelope Houston, just played what she claims will be her last show for a while LAST NIGHT, the same time as Aimee Mann. Sigh. However, when she returns to the stage, she's definitely worth checking out. If you like girl-with-her-piano type music, Alison Faith Levy is always worth seeing -- there are no gigs scheduled at the moment, but she plays live fairly regularly. Alison is also the keyboard player for a fab SF band called the Loud Family, but their live appearances are few and far between. - --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california trow@slip.net * www.interbridge.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:18:02 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: when it rains it pours Good Afternoon, Ted: Just to take everyone's minds off the current ditrabe (lots of posts to delete - that sort of thing): On the Cucumbers, whose MP3 I downloaded a few nights back: > Let me just add that anybody who hasn't seen them in the past 10 years or so will > be pleasantly surprised to find that these guys are still in a class all by > themselves, I like to refer to it as a "thinking man's fluff". You're right, man. If that lone MP3 is any indication, they've got the stuff. Which is more than I can say for the latest Sixpence None the Richer radio single... Philip David ("there she goes," indeed) 9/26/1999 npimh: "Duvet" (_Serial Experiments Lain_ opening theme) - Boa (Universal/Polystar Japan CD single). - --- http://dianewolkstein.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:36:39 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: ...end it (was ginko biloba...look into it) That much I can agree with: ending it (this discussion). In the interest of hopefully providing something useful to our readers, I leave you with a couple of interesting links, both courtesy of the DAT heads mailing list. A list of bands that permit concert taping (plus a list of those that don't): http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/recordable_bands.html A FAQ about DAT recording, including descriptions of the "taper's section" at concert venues: http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/FAQ Draw your own conclusions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:01:53 -0400 From: JoAnn.Whetsell@oberlin.edu Subject: sf bands The only thing I have to add is LAND OF THE BLIND!!! I only have Out of the Whirpool, or is it Into Chaos, or Out of chaos and into the whirlwind/whirlpool. Anyway, it's fantastic. There's a guide page for them, and I'm sure other 'philes can tell you way more. The music is so layered and has so many influences, there are wonderful surprises every time I listen to it. JoAnn np: PJ Harvey _Is This Desire?_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:42:30 EDT From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: Rachael Sage Appearing This Monday @ Bare Elements Benefit... RACHAEL SAGE will perform this MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, at: A Performance Party & Fundraiser for Bare Elements Theater Co. * * * This special event will take place @ Restaurant 147--147 W. 15th St. between 6th & 7th Avenues, NYC--and will feature Rachael as well as the talents of RENT cast members Adam Pascal, Idina Menzel, Jesse Martin & Gilles Chiasson, in addition to performers from the Broadway shows TOMMY, CABARET, SCARLET PIMPERNEL, and the Shakepeare Festival's TAMING OF THE SHREW...* *there is a $35 minimum, tax-deductable donation at the door; reservations are suggested but not required, and can be made by calling 212.560.2696... • • • BARE ELEMENTS is a brand new performance community dedicated to "examining theatrical pieces that focus on the enduring aspects of the human experience, of relationships, social concern and of personal transformation." • • • *7-8:30 ...open bar and hors d'oeuvres *8:30 ...entertainment begins promptly! Rachael will be performing several songs early in the program, so please arrive as close to 8:30-8:45 as possible if you are planning to attend! ...It should be a wonderful evening, hope to see some of you there. xoxo, The folks at MPress Records... • rachaelsage.com • electrosquire.com/rachaelsage • humbucker.com/rachael ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #321 **************************