From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #308 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 05 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- preacher man question [JudoEWF@aol.com] Re: Ani DiFranco [josh burnett ] Re: Happy, happy! ["IPMS/Ft. Crook" ] Re: Happy, happy! [neal copperman ] Refuge Benefit [Christopher Kornmann ] Re: Happy live at ectofest? [Laura Clifford ] Re: Refuge Benefit [jburka@min.net] suvome [Andrew Fries ] the Norwegian Hitawards - for once I'm happy :) [Yngve Hauge ] hehe :) [Yngve Hauge ] Paradise Motel et suvome [John Drummond ] Fw: Merrie Amsterburg [John J Henshon ] RE: Happy, happy!(cd) [Christian Reiter ] Re: Happy, happy!(cd) [Joseph Zitt ] RE: Happy, happy! (cd) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Garmarna dates [Neile Graham ] Re: Happy live at ectofest? [JavaHo@aol.com] RE: Happy, happy!(cd) [Sherlyn Koo ] Looking for Paul Blair [Suzannecerquone@cs.com] KaTe TidbiT [puppycakes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:21:45 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: preacher man question << Quick question to jog my memory: Tori hasn't covered "Preacher Man," has she? Hasn't she merely opened her show with Dusty's version playing? >> I do believe that I have a recording or two of Tori herself doing "Preacher Man" somewhere in vast depths of my bootleg collection... I'm not quite sure, but I think one's from the '96 DDI tour. I could be wrong, however. Email me privately and I'll see if I can find one. If I can, I'll send you a tape of it. Stacy, tjb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: josh burnett Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 JoAnn.Whetsell@oberlin.edu wrote: > Hi. I can't say if Ani is "Ecto", but she is certainly ectophilic. She's > been discussed quite a bit and has a page on the guide. I love her music > and have all of her albums except the 2nd one (the one with songs from the > first, self-titled album). Like I Am. Is that what it's called? I forget. It's _Like I Said_. And it wasn't her second album - it came out after _Puddle Dive_, I think. and it has re-done versions of songs from her first few albums. Anyway, it's not very interesting. I have it, but I've probably only listened it two or three times since I bought it a year or two ago. If it wasn't Ani, I'd probably have sold it long ago. jcb. Josh Burnett * www.sirius.com/~jcb9 * IM: joshjackal * ICQ: 23051834 "Come on now, let me hear that dirty word - SOCIALISM!" - - Senator Jay Billington Bulworth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:17:24 -0500 From: "IPMS/Ft. Crook" Subject: Re: Happy, happy! On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:57:52 +1000, Andrew Fries wrote: > This morning I finished downloading Happy's Ectofest performance, the > whole 117MB - it only took me two days :) I have never seen or heard > Happy in the context of live performance with stage banter and feedback > and all so this turned out to be a bit of a revelation for me; hearing > her as a human being rather than just a voice and the mind behind the > record makes it different, yes, closer and more accessible and indeed > more real. And, a minor breakthrough - now I know that she actually > posesses a sense of humour, something I've read on the list but always > found hard to accept on some level. Not that I don't believe you guys, > it's just that difference between second-hand knowledge and direct > experience... Anybody willing to make a CD-R from this material? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:35:06 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Happy, happy! At 5:17 AM -0500 9/13/99, IPMS/Ft. Crook wrote: >On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:57:52 +1000, Andrew Fries wrote: > >> This morning I finished downloading Happy's Ectofest performance, the >> whole 117MB - it only took me two days :) I have never seen or heard >> Happy in the context of live performance with stage banter and feedback >> and all so this turned out to be a bit of a revelation for me; hearing >> her as a human being rather than just a voice and the mind behind the >> record makes it different, yes, closer and more accessible and indeed >> more real. And, a minor breakthrough - now I know that she actually >> posesses a sense of humour, something I've read on the list but always >> found hard to accept on some level. Not that I don't believe you guys, >> it's just that difference between second-hand knowledge and direct >> experience... > >Anybody willing to make a CD-R from this material? Funny, that's what I asked prior to ectofest. If there was any chance that we could make an official, memento cd of the show to be available to the list. Seems like there is a bit more interest in that now than there was then. So, can we? neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:33:05 -0400 From: Christopher Kornmann Subject: Refuge Benefit Come celebrate the release of a new compilation CD “Refuge” to benefit the people of Kosova. The CD Features music by Peter and Melanie Gabriel, Joy Askew, Wild Colonials, Jennifer Kimball, Cry Cry Cry, Vernon Ried and more. To be in stores soon... Friday, September 24th Bottom Line 15 West 4th Street 228-7880 7:30 & 10:30 shows $15 Featuring: Joy Askew Wild Colonials Richard Barone Antigone Rising Hope to see you there!I The Refuge CD Available at www.theorchard.com and at select retailers. - -- Christopher Kornmann Graphic Designer Spit & Image 828 Waring Avenue Bronx, NY 10467 718.798.2862 spitandimage@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:36:25 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Happy live at ectofest? At 07:58 PM 9/12/99 -0700, Neile Graham wrote: > >Would someone who has the ability to burn CD copies of Happy at ectofest be >willing to make a copy for me? > Um, I hate to be a me too, but....willing to $, trade... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: Refuge Benefit On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Christopher Kornmann wrote: > Come celebrate the release of a new compilation CD “Refuge” to benefit > the people of Kosova. The CD Features music by Peter and Melanie > Gabriel Who's Melanie? Or is this a different Peter Gabriel? jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:02:57 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: suvome Summary: strongly recommended for fans of ectronica. Not long ago I described Lino's debut as decent if not quite a candidate for "Australian best of 99"... But just a few days later a strong contender to the title suddenly arrived in form of another first release: Suvome - The Sunlight Embassy. I'm especially excited because until the day I bought that CD I never even heard of them. I still don't have much info - they came out of nowhere (Adelaide, in fact) and took me completely by surprise. I love it when that happens! Just like Lino, Suvome fit in that somewhat nebulous category of ectronica, but any comparisons with Lino might be more interesting for their differences than similarities. Lino's record gave birth to two singles so far - I don't see any potential mainstream single material on Sunlight Embassy. Lino display a definite pop streak, absent in Suvome. Where Lino could be described as Portishead crossed with the Sundays, Suvome are Portishead meets Paradise Motel (perhaps PM as they are on Flight Paths more than the early one)... A review I read mentions Massive Attack as another reference, but in truth I don't really know enough Massive Attack to comment. If I mention them here it's only because Massive Attack will probably mean more to most of you than Paradise Motel. Which is just too bad, because I really feel "Portishead-PM" hits the mark. So what is it like? Well, we have samples, various atmospheric noises, vinyl-like scratches (something I feel Portishead will need to answer for one day), half distant, half melancholy, sometimes angry vocals... soundscapes, yes but not of that Cocteau Twins variety, lush, floating through and blending into one another. These are all definite, separate and relatively sparse tunes, each telling their own story. Unlike Lino, there's no sugar coating here, this stuff is quite gritty... "take a ride" positively rocks... Some nice deep bass sounds, too. Fun to listen to over the headphones. In short, this is a very strong debut by any standard. It might be too early to hail it as my favourite local release of the year, but I'm positive it will end up very close to the top! - ------------------------------------------------------ "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Helder Camara - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:57:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: the Norwegian Hitawards - for once I'm happy :) Hi folks, Last Saturday the norwegian hitawards did happen, and it pretty interesting as it turned out lots better than I did expect. It wasn't very strange the Lene Marlin came out as the big winner (Best norwegian female artist, Best international female artist, greatest hit of the year and Best artist), but that D'Sound did get an award for best norwegian band of the year was really a good thing as I love their live acts (I'm not that fond of their albums though) and I can't care less about those other bands nominated. Not often someone with this kinda talent get what the deserve. Lene Marlin is sort of a fairytale. She got her first guitar when she was 15 years old, and started playing and writing songs around that time. She did perform for friends at her own home, and those same friends did tell NRK (the state radiostation that is) about her. They invited her to play and offered after that to record some of her stuff. Those recordings did turn out so good that they did send it to Virgin Records, who in turn called NRK back to check if this was real or not. From there everything went pretty fast - her first single "Unforgivable Sinner" stayed 40 weeks on the norwegian hit40 and upto now topped the lists in Sweden, Italy and Japan (all norwegian artists seem to do it well there somehow :) No norwegian artist has ever topped the list in Sweden btw (not even A-ha). She didn't stop there though, because her second single did the same. You who haven't heard about her yet surely will in not too long. She kinda got this thing about her that charm people to death :) Music style? Susanne Vega is a huge inspiration to her to mention one. - -- Yngve n.p Rachael Sage - Ectofest 99 n.r I'm not sure what to start reading right now - any suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:01:25 -0500 From: Amy Lotsberg Subject: FW: Sarah Mclachlan records song for "Toy Story 2" - -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Hesseltine [mailto:MrAntknee@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:06 PM To: SF List Subject: Sarah Mclachlan records song for "Toy Story 2" From Entertainment Weekly, page 78, Issue #503 Sarah McLachlan has recorded "When She Loved Me" for the upcoming "Toy Story 2". That's all. ;-) Antknee This has been a post from the sf-fumblers list. To unsubscribe from this list, send a message containing 'unsubscribe sf-fumblers' to majordomo@list.sirius.com. To send a message to the list, send it to sf-fumblers@list.sirius.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:01:00 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Markku Kolkka" Subject: Re: Refuge Benefit >> Come celebrate the release of a new compilation CD “Refuge” to benefit >> the people of Kosova. The CD Features music by Peter and Melanie >> Gabriel >Who's Melanie? Or is this a different Peter Gabriel? She's Peter's daughter (see the credits of US) - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:38:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: hehe :) This one is pretty cute ... Said by Ronan Keating (Boyzone) at the norwegian hitawards: "She (Lene Marlin) doesn't need any advice from me. She got 4 awards, we got only 1." *hugs* - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Paradise Motel et suvome LORD... I'd forgotten all about this band until Andrew mentioned them again! I've read a fair amount of stuff about them indicating they'd be right up my alley, and I couldn't ever find their stuff in America, lame-ass country that it tends to be a lot of the time... does anybody have any information as to how I could perhaps get my lil' mitts on some of their albums and this new suvome album, which also sounds ass-kickin'? Thanks... much appreciated... if there are any of y'all Australian ectofolks out there who'd be interested in playing the paint-by-airmail game, I'm all for it as well. :D John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:20:04 -0400 From: John J Henshon Subject: Fw: Merrie Amsterburg Merrie Goes West. If you can catch any of these shows you're sure to enjoy. John - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: jsmyser@qdivision.com (Jessica Smyser) To: (Recipient list suppressed) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:43:41 -0400 Subject: Merrie Amsterburg Message-ID: ** This Thursday!!** I didn't mean to make it a mystery on the postcard...This THURSDAY 9/16 Merrie will be playing the CMJ Festival in New York. This show IS open to the public. Here are the details. Thursday, September 16 Acme Underground 9 Great Jones St. NY NY 212-677-6924. Merrie Amsterburg plays at 8 but please come early...Q Division artists The Gravy and Senor Happy play before Merrie at 6 & 7 . ** Also, as promised, WEST COAST DATES Wednesday, September 22 Belly Up Solana Beach, CA w/ Aimee Mann 143 S. Cedros Ave. 619-481-8140, 481-9022 Tickets are $12 the show starts at 8:30 Saturday, September 25 Slims San Francisco, CA w/ Aimee Mann 333 11th St. 415-255-0333 Tuesday, September 28 Largo, Los Angeles, CA w/ Aimee Mann 432 N. Fairfax LA, CA (323) 852-1073 Saturday, October 2 Genghis Cohen, Los Angeles, CA 740 N. Fairfax Ave. 231-653-0640. Tickets are $7 the show starts at 8:30 Tuesday, October 5 The Last Day Saloon, San Francisco, CA 406 Clement St. 415-387-6344 Thursday, October 7 The Green Room, Portland OR 2280 NW Thurman St. 228-6178 Friday, October 8 Music Millenium IN-STORE PERFORMANCE Portland,OR 501 NW 23rd St. 5 PM _________________________________________________________________________ __ Please visit our web site at http://www.qdivision.com Q Division Records 443 Albany Street Boston, MA 02118 617-542-0081 _________________________________________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:26:42 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: RE: Happy, happy!(cd) On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > You ran a noise reduction in Cool Edit? What'd that take, 5-6 hours? well 3 actaully..less than the download :) I always love playing around with this program. Too sad that its development has been cancelled. What Cooledit 2K might have looked like... > stuff. For instance, I didn't have to break the HR show into separate WAVs > for each track, I could cue it from the single big file. Plus I have it cued > so that all the banter is "between tracks". So if you play it in continue > mode, it's the whole show, but if you shuffle it, its just the music. And > just to see if it works, I tried the CD-Text feature, and it does! My player > flashes the song names as it plays. Tee-hee! Now that sounds like some really capable recording SW. Setting tracks in the entire file and burning that worked for me too with winoncd oem, but i didn«t even know it was possible to burn stuff 'between tracks' - is this some kind of limbo, that an audio CD player can access, but it doesn't get associated to a track? weird... Is there a demo for the program somewhere, or a site with detailed specs, I«d like to have a look at it. Christian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:44:55 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: Re: Happy, happy! (cd) Well at least Foghorn and I have made CDRs of the thing so we would be logical candidates. If several people are interested I guess it would be a nice idea to ask if anyone made photos of Happy and the band at the show so we«d have something for the cover. Christian > > > >Anybody willing to make a CD-R from this material? > > > Funny, that's what I asked prior to ectofest. If there was any chance that > we could make an official, memento cd of the show to be available to the > list. Seems like there is a bit more interest in that now than there was > then. So, can we? > > neal > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:53:25 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Happy, happy!(cd) >>> possible to burn stuff 'between tracks' - is this some kind of limbo, that an audio CD player can access, but it doesn't get associated to a track? It's actually fairly normal. If you watch your CD player closely on a normal disc, when the track changes it will briefly count out negative time - usually 2 seconds. This is a track pregap. What's not so common is (1) making that gap longer than 2 seconds, and (2) putting audio information in there. Even commercial CDs are only wising up to this recently. It is especially useful for live recordings. The audio "between the tracks" is actually part of the "current" track, clocked as a negative offset to the 0:00 point of the track. For example, at the point where applause for Warpaint dies to nothing, I declare the start of track 02. The CD player switches from 01 to 02. The timer becomes something like -1:25. It counts down to 0:00, playing the banter between the first two songs. At 0:00, still in track 02, the first note of the song Proof begins, and then the counter goes upward, positive. When you shuffle or program (non sequentially), all tracks start playing at 0:00, regardless of pregap. (It is possible some CD players do this differently). A minor consequence of this (more specifically, the way I did it) is that the banter before Warpaint is actually hidden. To hear it, you have to start the CD, then use the reverse scan button to go back to -0:55. Then you hear the soundcheck and Happy's hello. At 0:00 (Track 1), Warpaint starts. This is the idea behind an April Fools joke planted here, suggesting that Happy covered a Kate song in the pregap intro to Track 1 on MWABT. They Might Be Giants used the trick for real on one of their discs, as well as at least one other artist discussed here at the time. CDRWIN lets you do this. It's basically a pregap fed with audio information from your WAV file. It also supports silent pregaps of varying length (can be set for each track individually). There is a demo available. Fully functional but limited to 1X speed. Pay and it'll record at your player's max speed. http://www.cdrwin.com http://www.goldenhawk.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:11:06 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Happy, happy!(cd) On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:53:25PM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > This is the idea behind an April Fools joke planted here, suggesting that > Happy covered a Kate song in the pregap intro to Track 1 on MWABT. They > Might Be Giants used the trick for real on one of their discs, as well as at > least one other artist discussed here at the time. The one instance I've run across of this is on Ava Cherry's "People From Bad Homes", where the song "I am Divine" (a duet with David Bowie) is hidden before the first track. Now starring in cutout bins everywhere... - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:17:24 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Happy, happy! (cd) I'm already talking with 2 people offline for a trade for this. I'd be willing to do copies for others. If a lot of people want it, doing it for cash is probably quickest, although I'm open to trade negotiations. I too would like to hold out for a picture to make a cover. I'm hoping the ectofest staff got some nice ones they'll post at the ectofest.org site. If anyone else has anything to offer, please let me/us know. I'll certainly give you the photo credit in any liner notes. Christian, are you in Germany? I see that your server is, I'm assuming you are too. If so, that probably gives me an idea how the work of making copies will distribute geographically. Hello, my fellow Americans ... :) I'll start putting together a cover in the next couple days, hopefully pix will come in soon. I can't do much more til Friday anyway when I'm expecting a new batch of blank 80's. At that time I'll post more instructions. Those of you who can still find my Ectopia ordering instructions, the deal and mailing address will be pretty much the same as that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:00:53 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Garmarna dates > >== GARMARNA > September 14 Boston MA Johnny D's in Somerville (617) 776-2004 > September 15 New York, NY In store performance, Virgin Megastore at >Union >Square, 3pm > 52 East 14th (14th & Broadway) > September 15 New York, NY CMJ Music Marathon > Garmarna at S.O.B.'s, 204 Varick Street (at Houston), (212) >243-4940 > (early arrival recommended) > September 16 Wilmington, Delaware The Arden Gild Hall 302-475-1745 > September 17 Minneapolis, MN Cedar Cultural Centre (612) 338-2674 > September 18 Chicago, IL The Note "in the heart of Wicker Park" at 1565 >N. Milwaukee Ave, (773) 489-0011 - --Neile n.p. Veda Hille's _you do not live in this world alone_ (yes, it's her new disc but it's not on her web site yet) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:46:42 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy live at ectofest? In a message dated 9/13/99 8:41:29 AM Central Daylight Time, lcliffor@bbn.com writes: >Would someone who has the ability to burn CD copies of Happy at ectofest be >willing to make a copy for me? > Um, I hate to be a me too, but....willing to $, trade... Laura >> Goes ditto for me. I can't currently do the MP3 thing, but would pay to have a disc burned. Thanks...Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:20:18 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: RE: Happy, happy!(cd) Hey folks, Foghorn J Fornorn said: >This is the idea behind an April Fools joke planted here, suggesting that >Happy covered a Kate song in the pregap intro to Track 1 on MWABT. They >Might Be Giants used the trick for real on one of their discs, as well as at >least one other artist discussed here at the time. Lucy Kaplansky uses this trick on her second CD "Flesh and Bone", which has an entire song hidden before the first track. But, if no one tells you that the song is there, how will you ever know?? Speaking of Lucy Kaplansky, her latest album "Ten Year Night" is excellent. It's very much along the same country/folk vein as her previous two albums and is definitely my favourite of her albums so far. Richard Shindell, John Gorka and Jennifer Kimball all make appearances (no Dar Williams though, I don't know why). Yay. :) sherlyn =-= Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-= [Sydney, Australia] "Going eighty on the highway, we're all rushing somewhere; But the way I feel tonight, it's like I'm already there..." - Lucy Kaplansky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:09:50 EDT From: Suzannecerquone@cs.com Subject: Looking for Paul Blair Sorry for using up bandwith here, but I'm looking for Paul Blair. Sorry, I lost your e-addy! Please get in touch. Thanks, Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:21:42 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: KaTe TidbiT this was posted to love-hounds, but, after scanning the subject lines here, it doesn't look like it has been mentioned here yet... from ain't-it-cool-news : >4. Kate Bush (yes!) will do a song for "Dinosaur" Being a huge Kate >fan, I'm thrilled with this, but I can't imagine what kind of material >she'll compose within the context of the film. My mind wanders... >Perhaps "the Hounds of Love" will become "the Triceratops of >Love"... Oh, dear. the vibe on love-hounds seems to be "interesting but we'll wait for the KBC to confirm this".... woj n.p. the ladybug transistor -- ablemarle sound (and in the living room, veda hille's _you will not walk in this world alone_) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #308 **************************