From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #305 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, September 11 1999 Volume 05 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- STINA NORDENSTAM and more [plegm master ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] MP3 and RealAudio (was: Mary Lydia Ryan and MP3) [Steve I ] Re: Mary Lydia Ryan and MP3 [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Streaming RealAudio [Christian Reiter ] Re: Streaming RealAudio [Carolyn Andre ] dc ecto-friendly music saturday 11 september spam [dmw ] To Venus and Back review [JudoEWF@aol.com] Re: To Venus and Back review [John Drummond ] Ani DiFranco [Ricardo Salinas ] dc ecto-friendly music saturday 11 september spam [fecklessbeast ] Re: Ani DiFranco [Mark Miazga ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:14:34 -0700 From: plegm master Subject: STINA NORDENSTAM and more JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > I've never heard of this singer or album, but I loved the name. Do tell more. > > >STINA NORDENSTAM - DYNAMITE hey JOANN STINA NORDENSTAM is great. she probably falls into the same sort of cerebral intellectual musicianship artist category that people like JANE SIBERRY, KATE BUSH, or MARY MARGARET O'HARA falls into. but i wouldn't go so far as to compare her to them musically. she is certainly has carved out her own nitch. she is quite amazing as a musician, a musical prodigy (much like KATE BUSH) who has written literally hundreds of songs before putting out an album. unlike KATE BUSH though, these songs aren't available via bootleg. :( anyway she has four full length albums, the latest of which is completely covers (well i think there may be one original) that have been absolutely reworked, to the point, where you can barely tell what the original was. entitled PEOPLE ARE STRANGE, it pretty much was an exercise or experiment on taking songs that other people had written and stretching them to their breaking point, stripping them to the innate core, and then rebuilding them. unfortunately, i have yet to get this album, so i don't know how successful she is, but i am pretty curious about it. her album previous to that was DYNAMITE, was a marked departure from her earlier works, very creepy and claustrophobic. i wouldn't use the word GOTH as a description, but certainly certain songs approach and evoked that sensability. one of the strongest songs on the album is THIS TIME, JOHN which has the lyrics: "one of us will hit you the others hold you down we'll mark you, mud and soil you we'll throw you in to drown..." thematically she treads the same sort of path that LISA GERMANO does but not quite as emotionally raw or nerve wrecking as LISA. her songs instead invoke complex moods and emotions, akin to a multi layered painting or watercolor, in which the longer you look at the piece, the more you can read into them. certain songs are quite composed, and the instrumental parts of the songs could easily fit into a musical score for a movie. albeit a dark movie about black clad europeans who wander aimless about as their meaningless life unravels due to some strange coincidences of misfortunes. you know the kind of movie that would be hugely successful in europe, but would only show for a week at the local art house movie theater. :) her second album, SHE CLOSES HER EYES, was a bit of a transitional album from her first album and DYNAMITE. it has some of the same themes as DYNAMITE, but is much more jazz and folk flavored (STINA originally was trained as a jazz musician) and not nearly as dark in mood. her first album, and the only one that was released here in the US is MEMORIES OF COLORS and it is the most digestable, and the most beautiful. i would certainly recommend it, especially for the song SOON AFTER CHRISTMAS which is quite achingly gorgeous. it may be hard to find (i am not sure if it is out of print or not here in the US) but look under NORDESTAM as well as STINA (as original pressings of the CD had her name as just STINA). probably the best one to start out with. STINA got a little exposure here in the US, because her song LITTLE STAR was featured in the movie WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE's ROMEO AND JULIET (the soundtrack that basically also launched another scandinavian group's career here in the US as well, THE CARDIGAN - LOVEFOOL). if you own that CD, you already have a little taste of her voice (which is pretty unique) and musical style (which is also quite unique) for more info check out: http://www.intimate.org/stina/index.html but be warned that it is pretty heavy java/shockwave. you gotta have a browser that is capable. but it is quite nice. and by the way, she was born in STOCKHOLM. which explains her great name. and i am sure that there are others on ECTO that probably could describe STINA more accurately than me. CHARLEY DARBO was the one who introduced me to her. and i know there are a few others as well on the list who enjoy her. > SUZANNE VEGA. > > She wasn't on there at all? Wow-- talk about a major oversight. hmmm. i think you were talking about the 100 greatest women in rock score, from VH1. and yes it was a MAJOR oversight. SUZANNE VEGA pretty took the mantle in the 80's of bridging rock, alternative, and folk in one fell swoop. granted artists were doing much earlier on (hello JONI MITCHELL?). but still she paved the way for later artists like 10,000 MANIACS, EDIE BRICKELL and LISA LOEB to find commercial success. i was quite surprised that she was overlooked, not to mention the fact that her latest best of has STILL not been released here in the US. grrrr.... irvin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Holly Tominack (htominack@erols.com) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:59:37 -0400 From: Steve I Subject: MP3 and RealAudio (was: Mary Lydia Ryan and MP3) Carolyn typed: >Knowing that folks here on ecto are pretty serious about their music >listening, I just wondered your opinions (and yes, I've been discussing >MP3s with the artists I host ... ) ... why the trend to MP3 only? are the >'average' surfers/potential listeners *really* going to go for the length >to get the quality? do poor quality RA samples drive them away? ... As a webmaster, I soured a great deal on RA when they upgraded their encoders and so on... "RealProducer" I believe, and then all of a sudden a whole bunch of my site visitors started complaining that the realaudio clips weren't working with their realaudio players. Turned out that they needed to upgrade their players. But their certainly were no warnings that using the new encoding format would cause the 80% of realaudio players out there that were still a version behind to choke, and with no explanations given either (I think the error message was something cryptic like "invalid format" or something like that). It took me a long time to figure out what was going wrong, since I did have the latest player software installed and the files were playing fine on my machine. The RealProducer software I had didn't even give the OPTION to encode using the old format (maybe it does now, I don't know); I had to download an older version of the software (RealAudio Encoder) in order to use the old formats. Absolutely ridiculous. The other thing is that RealAudio (at least using the old formats, which I continue to use), doesn't offer nearly as many options for compression levels as MP3. When I encoded some soundbites for Emm Gryner recently she just couldn't accept the crappy sound quality of RA at 16kbps for her soundbites. We ended up going with 40kbps mono RA files and 56kbps stereo MP3 files. The MP3 files are a bit bigger but they sound -SO- much better than the RAs. We realized that people with modems would have trouble streaming these files but we just made the decision that we'd rather people downloaded them and listened to decent quality soundbites rather than streaming really crappy ones. Like Neal, I'm still stuck with a crappy modem connection at home (33.3) but have a fast connection at work, and am far more likely to be listening to soundbites there. And then I vastly prefer MP3's because my connection there is fast enough to be able to "stream" 128 kbps MP3's. At home I rarely bother to listen to soundbites at all. And I vastly prefer my nice, compact little WinAmp over the atrocious, slow-to-load and horribly gaudy RealPlayer G2. Not a big fan of RealAudio at all, but I do recognize that there are still lots of folks out there who still don't have MP3 players yet so until MP3 takes over the world, I'll still offer RA alongside MP3 on my websites. I used to offer WAV files too but I've pretty much dumped those. Carolyn, you might be interested to know that on the Sarah Slean website, where I put up a full near-cd-quality MP3's "Twin Moon" alongside a full 16kbps RA version (which I described as being "streaming RealAudio"), between February and July there were almost 6000 downloads of the MP3 version compared to just over 1000 downloads of the RA version. That kind of ratio probably isn't typical but still... Speaking of MP3's and RA, everyone should go and listen to Sarah do vocals for Cicero on "Yellowbelly." I put up both RA and MP3 versions of the soundbite. :-) http://www.deaddaisy.com/dd-cic-mus-oon.htm Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:46:25 "GMT" From: Sue Fechner Subject: Some New? Music - and not one Jesus Jones in sight. I managed to put myself out of circulation for awhile but have found some new [maybe i'm miles behind too, but i'll take a chance] music i'd mention. must admit that i haven't had the chance to give the lino album a proper listen so i can't make a comment on it. have been too wrapped up in listening to Rebecca's Empire's new album - 'welcome' - have been really enjoying it which i find interesting as i was never taken with their first album - though that may have been a matter of timing. the songs vary in tone from gently humourous to wistful. i've been told that the band is worth viewing in concert and i shall hopefully have the opportunity to be able to judge for myself in three weeks time. have also bought the Delerium album - "karma". must admit that i did buy it on the strength of the single which featured sarah mclachlan but haven't been disappointed yet. the music reminds me strongly of enigma at times but i am also reminded of deep forest sometimes. so if you like that style of music, i recommend you check this cd out. sue http://www.homestead.com/mangled_avocado n.p. delerium - karma n.r. ian irvine - the way between the worlds __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email server is running an evaluation copy of the MailShield anti- spam software. Please contact your email administrator if you have any questions about this message. MailShield product info: www.mailshield.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: larnep@pathfinder.com Subject: Re: new buys Siobhan (Samsara0@aol.com) writes: > In a message dated 9/9/99 10:34:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > JoAnn.Whetsell@oberlin.edu writes: > > > Siouxsie and the Banshees-- The Rapture > > ugh. :-/ this is definately the WORST banshees cd. On balance, I'd have to agree with that, although I would say it's not totally wothout its moments. "Forever" and "The Rapture" just about make up for "O Baby." > the banshees fan, and i sold it because i hated it so much. check out hyaena > or peepshow (or once upon a time or twice upon a time for a more general > overview All fine recommendations, to which I'd add "Tinderbox." And then, of course, there's The Creatures... - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:52:49 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: Re: new buys On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 Samsara0@aol.com wrote: > > > Siouxsie and the Banshees-- The Rapture > > ugh. :-/ this is definately the WORST banshees cd. i am a huge siouxsie & > the banshees fan, and i sold it because i hated it so much. check out hyaena I have to agree. This one is really bad. I almost gave up on hoping for any decent releases from Siouxsie after hearing it at the shop (never even considered buying it :(. I was very pleasantly surprised however when I saw the creatures in concert this spring. My all time siouxsie favourites are still Kaleidoscope and Juju. Christian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:57:36 +0200 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Streaming RealAudio Hi, Hopping on the bandwagon for a bit... Someone mentioned 'pseudo-streaming RealAudio' and while someone was kind enough to explain to me how to do this a while ago, I noticed I do have a problem with it. I have some pseudo RealAudio on my website devoted to Colin Vearncombe (shameless plug: his new album is out now and can be ordered from many English online stores), URL http://home.plex.nl/~mfgr/black , but when I access the sound page with Netscape (4.0) and click on any of the .ram files, all I get is the text included in that ram file. I think it's something to do with the file associations and I tried solving this but nothing really works. In short: does anyone know how to fix this? To continue my plug, Colin Vearncombe used to be the geezer called Black, and his new album is simply wonderfantastic. Some songs are simply his voice and an acoustic guitar, and others are a bit more uptempo and orchestrated. If you buy only one album the rest of this year, make it that one. Visit my site for more info :) Kind regards, Marcel Rijs KB, afd. Voorlichting marcel.rijs@konbib.nl (work) mfgr@casema.net (private) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:35:44 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Mary Lydia Ryan and MP3 On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:57:26PM -0500, Carolyn Andre wrote: > yes, but pseudo-streaming is possible from any web space. Yes, > buffering/rebuffering problems "due to net congestion" -- but I notice > those if I'm listening to RA broadcasts or streams from sites that I KNOW > are using a server as often as I do with the pseudeo-streaming via > metafiles. And in testing with one of my clients, they actually got worse > reception from the active stream from my [ok, chintsey, 5 stream free] > basic Realserver than the metafiles. Those buffering problems can be quite significant, and a lot of people would rather wait for the full file and listen to it (and be able to retain it and listen to it in the future) than listen to a cyberstutter. Perhaps a bigger issue, BTW, than whether the site is streaming or psuedostreaming is the bandwidth available. Even the best stream coming from a clogged site is likely to stutter. I'm hoping we get RA happening on our site sometime... but for the stuff that i want to make available that way, I'm mostly using mp3.com , which appears to have bandwidth to burn. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:47:19 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: Re: Streaming RealAudio On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Marcel Rijs wrote: > when I access the sound page with Netscape (4.0) and click on any of the .ram files, all I get is the text included in that ram file. I think it's something to do with the file associations and I tried solving this but nothing really works. > Hi, this sounds a bit like a mime type problem, possibly the server doesn´t deliver the right mime type information. Netscape handles this differently than Internet Explorer. My netscape has ram registered for the mimetype audio/x-pn-realaudio but still just delivers a file path. IE behaves correctly. However, if I right click on one of the realaudio links in netscape and save it to the desktop, i get a ram file; when i click that Realplayer comes up OK. This might be enough for a workaround if it works for other people too. Christian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Scott S. Zimmerman" Subject: streaming realaudio > I have some pseudo RealAudio on my website devoted to Colin Vearncombe > (shameless plug: his new album is out now and can be ordered from many > English online stores), URL http://home.plex.nl/~mfgr/black , but when I > access the sound page with Netscape (4.0) and click on any of the .ram > files, all I get is the text included in that ram file. I think it's > something to do with the file associations and I tried solving this but > nothing really works. > > In short: does anyone know how to fix this? Assuming Netscape is configured properly, the problem might be the webserver. Usually you have to let the webserver know that .ra, .ram, etc. are realaudio extensions, and you usually do this by putting a text file named .htaccess or .bhtaccess in the same directory as your realaudio files [or in a higher directory level so that it will apply to a larger portion of your website] To this text file, add the following lines.... AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio ram AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio ra I'm still not positive how all of this works, but it has seemed that in the past, most macintosh browsers would need those headers to determine which application to pull up, but pc browsers would look at the file name extensions and ignore the headers.... which was aggravating if you didn't want to use the PC-Ordained file name extensions. And of course, to do psuedo-streaming you just need to put the http:// address of the .ra file into your .ram file. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:12:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Streaming RealAudio On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Marcel Rijs wrote re: 'pseudo-streaming RealAudio': > I have some pseudo RealAudio on my website devoted to Colin Vearncombe > (shameless plug: his new album is out now and can be ordered from many > English online stores), URL http://home.plex.nl/~mfgr/black , but when I > access the sound page with Netscape (4.0) and click on any of the .ram > files, all I get is the text included in that ram file. I think it's > something to do with the file associations and I tried solving this but > nothing really works. > > In short: does anyone know how to fix this? > I'm not sure what type of web account you have; either you can fix it yourself or you must request that your hosting service do the fix. The problem is the MIME type which is delivered by your server in response to requests for the file. (server end, not browser end.) On the hosting service I'm connected to right now (a virtual server account), I added a .htaccess file (world readable) in my root document directory, containing: AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio ram rm ra AddType audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin rpm If you don't have this access, you have to request that your hosting service set this up for you. - --- another message commented on how IE handled these extensions "right" and Netscape didn't. Not to pursue this at all, it isn't "right" so much as one example of the many instances in which different browser brands and versions interpret the standards differently - some "guessing" or defaulting and others sticking to standards (and - they do trade off quite often between versions!). The big problem for web design is precisely that trading off of strict vs "interpretative" behaviour of the browsers -- what works in one version breaks in the next for the same brand! Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: dc ecto-friendly music saturday 11 september spam (oops, i think i originally sent this from the wrong address) quick note for any mid-east-coast 'philes not all music-ed-out from last weekend's festivities -- you might want to check out the red party in washington dc, which features three-female fronted indie-rock outfits, and, well, my band (we'd like our bassist liz to sing more, but currently she's only singing backup) as well as a host of poets, sculptors, film-screenings, acoustic music, dancing and god only knows what else. it's a true multi-media event, an expression of solidarity among independent artists in washington. it's a fund raiser for a trio of local films currently in production, so the $10 cover is a bit on the high side, but we think you'll get bang for your entertainment buck. studio 1019, 1019 7th st nw, saturday 11 september 1999, 8pm-2am (three blocks north of the gallery place metro) more details press release etc: www.fecklessbeast.com/redparty quick note on the bands: spontanes get things started at 9:30. gorgeous swirly indie rock, a bit like a moodier velocity girl, or like 10km meets television; clark's ditch @ 10:30, full-throated punk-pop with an incredibly, um, exuberant, frontwoman; fecklessbeast @ 11:30 modesty forbids, hear us at www.fecklessbeast.com/music/secret.html; signs point to yes @ 12:30 divinyls in their prime hang out with the pixies and get a little more experimental. dj & dancing after. love to see you there. - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:48:34 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: To Venus and Back review Go here. Go now. Do not wait. http://www.thei.aust.com/tssmusic1/tori2.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Re: To Venus and Back review I read that a few days ago, I think I saw it on the Dent or some friend or other sent me the link... while I disagree with the whole beginning bit about Boys for Pele, I really did think this was a really incredible review. Here's hopin' it matches the real quality of the album. :D John > http://www.thei.aust.com/tssmusic1/tori2.html === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:56:35 -0700 From: Ricardo Salinas Subject: Ani DiFranco Is Ani DiFranco "Ecto"? I have been following her work for a couple of years now, 'late bloomer' that I am, and I am astounded at her lyrics. Has anyone here seen a live performance of her work? It sounds like it would make for an entertaining evening. I too need to ask: Why "KaTe"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: fecklessbeast Subject: dc ecto-friendly music saturday 11 september spam quick note for any mid-east-coast 'philes not all music-ed-out from last weekend's festivities -- you might want to check out the red party in washington dc, which features three-female fronted indie-rock outfits, and, well, my band (we'd like our bassist liz to sing more, but currently she's only singing backup) as well as a host of poets, sculptors, film-screenings, acoustic music, dancing and god only knows what else. it's a true multi-media event, an expression of solidarity among independent artists in washington. it's a fund raiser for a trio of local films currently in production, so the $10 cover is a bit on the high side, but we think you'll get bang for your entertainment buck. studio 1019, 1019 7th st nw, saturday 11 september 1999, 8pm-2am (three blocks north of the gallery place metro) more details press release etc: www.fecklessbeast.com/redparty quick note on the bands: spontanes get things started at 9:30. gorgeous swirly indie rock, a bit like a moodier velocity girl, or like 10km meets television; clark's ditch @ 10:30, full-throated punk-pop with an incredibly, um, exuberant, frontwoman; fecklessbeast @ 11:30 modesty forbids, hear us at www.fecklessbeast.com/music/secret.html; signs point to yes @ 12:30 divinyls in their prime hang out with the pixies and get a little more experimental. dj & dancing after. love to see you there. - - "seventeen!" cried the humbug, always first with the wrong answer. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:03:13 +0000 From: JoAnn.Whetsell@oberlin.edu Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco Hi. I can't say if Ani is "Ecto", but she is certainly ectophilic. She's been discussed quite a bit and has a page on the guide. I love her music and have all of her albums except the 2nd one (the one with songs from the first, self-titled album). Like I Am. Is that what it's called? I forget. Anyway, I've seen her 2 1/2 times in concert, and I would say yes, yes, YES, definitely go see her if you get a chance. I thintk she herself, if I remember correctly from interviews and stuff, considers herself more of a live performer than a studio artist, and I think that's true. She is a very energetic performer, and gives a lot to her music. Energetic isn't even the right word. It's more like passionate, but that isn't it either. Intense, that's it. She also tends to tell a lot of little stories and jokes and stuff. Definitely qualifies as entertaining. She played here at Oberlin a few years ago. One of her songs actually made me cry, it reminded me too much of personal stuff I was going through at the time, so I ended up leaving. That's why I say I've seen her 2 1/2 times. I saw her in New Brunswick, NJ around the time Living in Clip came out, and the year before last, in Columbus, OH, just after Little Plastic Castle came out. She's an awesome performer. I love her music too. I love that I can listen to her in any mood, because she can make me laugh and cry and think and feel and work through my anger. For instance, "Blood in the Boardroom" always makes me feel better about my cycle. Anyway, off to the movies, but couldn't help but respond. JoAnn - --On 9SunSep Jun19991998 9:56 PM -0700 Ricardo Salinas wrote: > Is Ani DiFranco "Ecto"? I have been following her work for a couple of > years now, 'late bloomer' that I am, and I am astounded at her lyrics. > Has anyone here seen a live performance of her work? It sounds like it > would make for an entertaining evening. > I too need to ask: Why "KaTe"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:10:17 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: dc ecto-friendly music saturday 11 september spam At 12:52 PM -0400 9/10/99, dmw wrote: >quick note for any mid-east-coast 'philes not all music-ed-out from last >weekend's festivities -- you might want to check out the red party in >washington dc, I will be there, so if anyone wants to wander around the room asking all the 5 foot 6 inch dark haired guys with glasses if they are me, feel free. Doug, congrats on having 2 articles and 3 adds in that new pop zine that relate to you or the party. I got a big kick out of it. Plus I was mightily amused when the feckless beast demo got a 7, right next to the Imogen Heap single that only rates a 1. I guess you guys are 7 times better! Of course, it's a tad hard to take a reviewer seriously who can say "Ms. Heap is the latest in a long line of musical porn actresses going all the way back to great godmother Kate Bush who turned orgasmic posturing into an "artform"." Actually, pretty much every line of the review is as amusing as that. And there is still flamenceo dancing at the red party, right? neal np: Moon in Grenadine - Emily Bezar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:04:55 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Some New? Music - and not one Jesus Jones in sight. At 11:46 AM +0000 9/10/99, Sue Fechner wrote: >have also bought the Delerium album - "karma". must admit that i did buy >it on the strength of the single which featured sarah mclachlan but >haven't been disappointed yet. the music reminds me strongly of enigma at >times but i am also reminded of deep forest sometimes. so if you like that >style of music, i recommend you check this cd out. For what it's worth, I have never had much tolerance for bands like enigma and deep forest, but I really like that Delerium disc. The former bands tend to take some sort of cool sample of interesting music from somewhere in the world and surround it with mundane electronic dance stuff. The song tends to work a bit for me anyway, but it's all on the basis of the brilliant sample. I hear it and always think, boy, wouldn't I rather be listening to the Baka Pygmy people or whoever is the original. Delerium, on the other hand, seems to really build up the music, and I think it stands on it's own. They also seem to work with a lot more live performers, so that the music doesn't feel archival, but alive. neal np: Moon in Grenadine - Emily Bezar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:12:57 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco At 9:56 PM -0700 9/9/99, Ricardo Salinas wrote: >Is Ani DiFranco "Ecto"? I have been following her work for a couple of >years now, 'late bloomer' that I am, and I am astounded at her lyrics. >Has anyone here seen a live performance of her work? It sounds like it >would make for an entertaining evening. As mentioned, ani has been much discussed on ecto. While not uniformly loved (well, who is), she's pretty highly regarded around here. If you check out the ectophiles guide page, you'll see that the consensus is that she should definitely be seen live. I've seen her a half dozen times, and she's a phenomenal performer. Check out her live disc, Living in Clip, if you haven't already. Many of us think that all of her discs should be recorded live :) DC-philes - ani's got a date at the 9:30 Club in early October! (The 6th, I think) Methinks I will be at that one. neal np: Moon in Grenadine - Emily Bezar (still) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:43:40 -0400 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco There's an excellent mp3 of an unreleased song by Ani (I assumed it'll be on her next album), taken from a live performance at the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival. The song's called "To The Teeth", and DiFranco takes on the 2nd amendment in it. Good stuff. Better than anything on "Up Up Up Up Up Up", in fact (to me, her most disappointing album). Anyhow, the mp3 is at: http://hillstrom.iww.org/~fanshaw/sotw19.html Enjoy! - --Mark neal copperman wrote: > At 9:56 PM -0700 9/9/99, Ricardo Salinas wrote: > >Is Ani DiFranco "Ecto"? I have been following her work for a couple of > >years now, 'late bloomer' that I am, and I am astounded at her lyrics. > >Has anyone here seen a live performance of her work? It sounds like it > >would make for an entertaining evening. > > As mentioned, ani has been much discussed on ecto. While not uniformly > loved (well, who is), she's pretty highly regarded around here. If you > check out the ectophiles guide page, you'll see that the consensus is that > she should definitely be seen live. I've seen her a half dozen times, and > she's a phenomenal performer. Check out her live disc, Living in Clip, if > you haven't already. Many of us think that all of her discs should be > recorded live :) > > DC-philes - ani's got a date at the 9:30 Club in early October! (The 6th, > I think) Methinks I will be at that one. > > neal > > np: Moon in Grenadine - Emily Bezar (still) - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 143 West Akers Hall, MSU East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 353-4936 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Thursday and Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall on the MSU campus. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~cgrounds ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #305 **************************