From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #264 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, August 5 1999 Volume 05 : Number 264 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Windham Hill damage control (?) [meredith ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?About_the_=B4Samson_Music=B4question?= ["=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE] Songs about songwriters ["Hill, Holly K." ] Re: Windham Hill damage control (?) [Joseph Zitt ] Re: REM mandolins [Joseph Zitt ] Re: songwriters writing about songwriters [Ofer Inbar ] Re: About the =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4Samson?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Music=B4question?= [neal copp] Re: songwriters writing about songwriters [neal copperman Subject: Re: Windham Hill damage control (?) Hi! Marc opined: >I can't help but think that the original request itself was a >little tacky, but I can understand the spirit in which it was made, >no-one likes to do good work on something only to have it go unacknowledged. >However, I think that the employment of subterfuge >(i.e. not mentioning that we heard it from Happy) is to be avoided, >or should have been employed at source, i.e. whoever passed on the >message should just have told us the facts as they knew them and not >mentioned the source (Happy). Why? I've never lied to this list, and I'm not going to start now. Happy asked me to do something for her, so I did it. Credit where it's due ... that's the very point of all this, isn't it? >Better to have sent them something like: >'Hi, >I heard on the Happy Rhodes fan list that she did some work >on Windham Hill artist Samite's new album but she is not credited >at the website, could this omission be corrected please? > - a fan of Happy Rhodes'. That's pretty much exactly what I sent them, though more efficiently stated. Judging from the copies of other people's notes I can see that wasn't the case with everyone, which is rather disappointing, but hey. To each their own. Kathy posted: >I would like to be able to send the following message to Windham Hill, but >since I can't claim to speak for everyone (or for anyone but myself, for >that matter), I'll just send it here, perhaps to provoke discussion. I think that letter is perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. My vote: send it! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | ectofest '99: sat. sept. 4, 1999 kenosia park, danbury, ct | | http://www.ectofest.org | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:25:16 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?REN=C9_LAURITSEN?=" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?About_the_=B4Samson_Music=B4question?= First of all I should probably say that I=B4m also a new Happy Rhodes fan and new to this mailing list - and, being a new fan, I=B4ve ordered all my Happy albums (six so far) from Samson and have not encountered any problems whatsoever. I started out by ordering two albums, which duly arrived a mere five days later (as I live in Denmark, that=B4s pretty impressive! By the way, for all you non-Europeans, Denmark is one of those tiny Scandinavian countries...) and they had NOT added any shipping charge. I promptly ordered another four (not surprisingly having been hooked by the first two albums - MWABT and Warpaint). These arrived a month later, though through no fault of Samson Music - they had been held up by an over-zealous Danish customs officer. Really, some people...Oh, and no shipping charge had been added to this, either! So in short, I haven=B4t had any problems with Samson Music and was surprised to hear that you had. Best of luck Ren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:49:09 +0200 From: "Hill, Holly K." Subject: Songs about songwriters I can't believe no one has mentioned Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly With His Song", which is about Don McLean. Holly K. Hill hillh@ast.livorno.army.mil Camp Darby Community Librarian The closest you will ever come in this life to an orderly universe is a good library. 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You've received this message due to priority placement on a recipient-bound hotlist. We'll BCC-ing You. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:49:05 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Windham Hill damage control (?) On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:09:03PM -0400, meredith wrote: > Kathy posted: > > >I would like to be able to send the following message to Windham Hill, but > >since I can't claim to speak for everyone (or for anyone but myself, for > >that matter), I'll just send it here, perhaps to provoke discussion. > > > > I think that letter is perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. My > vote: send it! I agree. Well done! - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: sierran@earthlink.net (JoAnn Whetsell) Subject: concert review Well, I am very glad that I went to the 97 Lilith Fair at PNC because that's where I first heard Joy Askew. I bought her ep Gorgeous Creature then, later got Tender City, and last night I had the marvelous opportunity to hear her again, and buy her latest cd, When: A Bootleg, which I haven't listened to yet. Joy looked and sounded great. She played a mix of old and new stuff, mostly new, with old stuff being "Gorgeous Creature," "Big Sky" and "Cool Cool Water". She played mostly guitar, but played piano on "GC" and "I'm Still Looking For a Home". I was afraid that the special guests might take away from the show, but they made beautiful harmony additions on "Cool Cool Water" and "...Home". It was great to see Joy let loose on the rockier songs, and the Joni Mitchell covers with Joe Jackson on piano were especially beautiful. I thought that style of song really fit Joy well. Anyway, great show. Go see her if you can. Did anyone tape this? I would *love* a tape, if even just to hear that version of "Gorgeous Creature" again. Gorgeous, indeed. I also talked to Marina Belica, formerly of October Project, who was one of the special guests. She said that she's working on a solo album right now, and Emil Adler, also of the group, is producing or writing songs, or something. Anyway, he's working on it somehow with her. And she says that the group members remain good friends. Both Joy and Marina have tracks on an upcoming Kosovo relief album due in September. I think I've seen it mentioned here before, if this is the same album that has Tori's _Merman_ on it. I don't know. Maybe I'm mixing lots of things up. I think that's it. Sorry I missed you Chris. I didn't know who to look for, and I guess you didn't see me. It was so dark in there! But it was a great show. Next time. JoAnn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:12:31 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: REM mandolins JoAnn Whetsell sez: > > Ooh, I'm curious. What hits are these? I'll have to go back and re- > listen. > >Besides, look at what REM did for mandolins on top-40 hits...why > >not banjos? well, the one that _really_ springs to mind is "Losing My Religion" which is fairly screaming with mandolin. From the same album, _Out of Time_, "Half A World Away" also features mandolin. I wonder if I shouldn't be giving some credit to Bruce Hornsby and the Range, who had that big hit with "Mandolin Rain" off their first album (the only one of the three Range I don't own; frankly, I can't recall if the actual song featured a mandolin in any capacity other than lyrical...) jeff (who's quite sure that there have been other top-40 hits with mandolin _somewhere_ in the arrangement, but it's quite prominent in LMR, and that was a truly ridiculously huge hit) n.p. _Shekhinah: The Presence_, Joe Zitt - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | http://burka.jeffrey.net ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:25:22 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: REM mandolins On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 11:12:31PM -0400, Jeffrey Burka wrote: > (who's quite sure that there have been other top-40 hits with mandolin > _somewhere_ in the arrangement, but it's quite prominent in LMR, and > that was a truly ridiculously huge hit) If I recall, two big early mandolin hits were Led Zeppelin's "Battle of Evermore" and Rod Stewart's "Maggie May". n.p. The Greater Antilles Sampler - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:42:26 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters "Larry G." wrote: > And, IMHO, there would be and for me is nothing "lesser" about Phil's > Deity. If y'all can get your hands on the 1997 3CD set entitled "Farewells > & Fantasies" on Rhino, you'd be doing yourself a major favor. If anyone > wishes that they could have a better understanding of why us old people > have such a fondness for the ''60s," I can assure you that there are lots > of clues in this one. Is that the collection of Phil Ochs covers by lots of other artists? I know I have that, but I don't remember the title and I'm not at home to check. I'm not one of "you old people", having been born in 1970 (and didn't get to the USA until 1977), but I've been a big fan of Phil Ochs songwriting ever since I first discovered it about 10 years ago. I consider him one of the great masters of songwriting. For some reason, though, I've never formed any connection to his voice and and his own recordings. For years I looked around for anyone who covered Phil Ochs, and when I saw that an album was out that was entirely a collection of Phil Ochs covers, it was like finding a CD I'd always wanted but didn't know existed ('cause it hadn't existed :) I was first introduced to Ochs' songs by disappear fear's recording of "Is There Anybody Here" on their album "deep soul diver", which first came out in 1989, the year I joined WBRS and began to wake up to some real music beyond what the Top 40 stations play. That df cover is still my favorite Phil Ochs song. Sonia does a solo version of it on the collection I mentioned earlier, but the version on deep soul diver with Cindy singing too is so wonderful. deep soul diver was released again with a few extra tracks on Philo (Rounder) in 1995. Incidentally, Sonny Ochs (Phil's widow, right?) is now one of the organizers of the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@wbrs.org cos@polyamory.org -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ All genre ethnic diversity... 24 hours/day, 365 days/year programming... FREE live music three times weekly... WBRS in Waltham, FM 100 in stereo, your FM connection with the world. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:58:14 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: About the =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B4Samson?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Music=B4question?= At 10:25 AM +0200 8/4/99, RENÉ LAURITSEN wrote: >(as I live in Denmark, that=B4s >pretty impressive! By the way, for all you non-Europeans, Denmark is one >of those tiny Scandinavian countries...) I'd always wondered what Denmark was. Thanks for filling me in :) Oh, and welcome too. neal np: Frozen - Curve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:58:34 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: songwriters writing about songwriters At 11:42 PM -0400 8/4/99, Ofer Inbar wrote: >I was first introduced to Ochs' songs by disappear fear's recording of >"Is There Anybody Here" on their album "deep soul diver", which first >came out in 1989, the year I joined WBRS and began to wake up to some >real music beyond what the Top 40 stations play. That df cover is >still my favorite Phil Ochs song. Sonia does a solo version of it on >the collection I mentioned earlier, but the version on deep soul diver >with Cindy singing too is so wonderful. deep soul diver was released >again with a few extra tracks on Philo (Rounder) in 1995. The df cover is on the self-titled album that came out on Philo/Rounder in 1994. They had certainly been playing it for ages, but it doesn't actually appear on either version of Deep Soul Diver. neal np: frozen - curve ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #264 **************************