From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #262 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, August 4 1999 Volume 05 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- New happy rhodes fan, Samson music question, ecto... [Christian Reiter ] Re: Rickie Lee Jones Question [Damniel@aol.com] Re: phil collins cover? [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: happy in chicago ???!!! [neal copperman ] Re: songs about songwriters [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Veda Hille in Europe (was Re: Peter Hammill fans dig Jane!) [neal cop] Re: ectofest between-set-music contest! [Ofer Inbar ] Re: ectofest between-set-music contest! [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Lino [Was: A Piece of String] [Andrew Fries ] Re: Splendid/Angie Hart [Andrew Fries ] Re: new Sophie B. Hawkins? [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: songs about songwriters [Kay S Cleaves ] Belated impressions of the Tin Angel show [Mark Lowry ] Re: songs about songwriters ["Owen L. Magee" ] Re: songs about songwriters [Ofer Inbar ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:20:12 +0200 (MDT) From: Christian Reiter Subject: New happy rhodes fan, Samson music question, ecto... Hi everyone, After stumbling across a rave review of Happy on a personal homepage dealing with some other interesting music, I decided to order MWABT along with some other stuff and got hooked pretty quickly (the album the reviewed on the page had actaully been Rearmament, but I settled for the new one instead - easier to get...). I´ve been trying to snap up as many HR CD´s as possible since then; since I live in Germany the only possibility has been ordering over the internet. I´ve never seen *any* Happy Rhodes CD in a store over here, whether it was a huge commercial or specialist indie store. *Supposedly* MWABT has been offcially released in Germany by in-akustik last month, but it turns out that despite the bad exchange rate it´s usually cheaper to have it sent across the pond:). JPC, a music mailorder, claimed to have the entire discography in stock, but after I ordered 6 CD´s from them, they informed me none of them were available and radically cut down their list. But MWABT, Equipoise and BTC might actually be there. I´ve managed to add Rhodes I, II, Rhodesongs, Equipoise and Building the Colossus to the collection so far. Then I searched the Samson music website some more after reading on the Harmony Ridge site that Samson was rereleasing the back catalogue. I ordered some more HR CD´s from the Samson online store but I´m left with a question that maybe someone here can answer as you´ve probably dealt more with the company - are these guys for real? They surely didn´t do anything more for me than charge me, never send anything, and ignore all communication. They were the only online vendor I ordered from (and that included tiny second hand shops somewhere in the US, not just big names) that didn´t add an international shipping charge, or at least inform about it, but I figured they´d just add that offline and charge the total sum for sending the package. This is also the first time ever I´ve been ripped off in an internet purchase. Does anyone have info whether they even intend to ship internationally or just charge everybody who´s stupid enough to order from outside the US and then play dead. I want to get my hands on Rearmament, Ecto, the Keep and Warpaint, and it bugs me that Samson has these CD´s but while they refuse to send anything to me tehy dont refuse taking my money. I´d be thankful for any tip about how to deal with these individuals... Apart from moanings about Samson, I guess ecto will be an opportunity for me to find new good and hard-to-get music, as there´s quite an overlap with what I listen to apart from HR. PJ Harvey, Cocteau Twins, Portishead, Sundays, Joni Mitchell, Siouxsie & Banshees are some of my favorites (when it comes to male vocals - Iggy Pop, Tom Waits, Van Morrison up to ca. ´80, Pixies, Jello Biafra [yes!], Peter Gabriel, etc); the last CD I got was Sky Motel (listening scheduled for later this evening) the survey Equipoise vs Building the Colossus: Well, I do love both of them. Equipoise was the 2nd Happy CD I heard after MWABT. It´s a lot different and it´s one of the albums that one can sort of explore. Among the more beat-driven songs I almost overlistened Mother Sea or Temporary and Eternal but discovered those as among my favorite tracks soon after. Equipoise sounds darker, more brooding than BTC, which was more of a 'pop it in and it sounds nice' experience. Also, there´s a wonderful topic mix on Equipoise, a vampire mini series, aliens, personal/social observations, etc. Not that BTC lacks multilayeredness (is that a word) or depth or topic, but it has a more sparkling, clear sound that seems more constant than Equipoise. Clear BTC favorites for me are Just like Tivoli, Dying and Collective Heart. All in all I´d say I rank Equipoise a bit higher, but this may have something to do with the sequence of getting to know the albums. I was still finding out what Happy is capable of when first listening to Eq., when my CD player swallowed BTC I was already expecting magic :) personal ranking of the ecto 'goddesses'... Happy Rhodes - currently reigning the pantheon Kate Bush - have all the regular albums, mostly on vinyl, but find myself listening a lot less to her than 10 years ago, although I don´t like her any less. But, so many musicians have developed their entire careers and changed the musical landscape in between rare occasional Kate Bush albums that she´s taken a backseat. How many 'new' PJH albums have I bought since I bought the last 'new' Kate Bush album...today, I have to consciously decide 'lets grab one of those Kate albums again'. All time favorite - the Dreaming. Used to be ruling goddess in the 80´s but got dethroned by Liz Fraser later on... Sarah McLachlan - I have "Fumbling..." but it failed to touch me. Maybe I´ll give it a listen again these days. i heard a Joni Mitchell cover version by her one of those days that just really didn´t seem to work at all. Tori Amos - sometimes I find she bugs me, sometimes she´s just impressive. I´m more of a casual Tori consumer, not a truly devoted fan. Of the three albums I have, I like Under the Pink best, closely followed by From the choirgirls hotel. Boys for pele, i tried but it just didn´t take a hold. Jane Siberry - havent heard her yet. Veda Hille - ditto enough for now, Christian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:23:30 "GMT" From: Sue Fechner Subject: Lino [Was: A Piece of String] >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:47:20 +1000 >From: Andrew Fries wrote: > >Ummm... I've been hearing about Lino, too. The descriptions sounded >vaguely interesting, but I remain slightly suspicious because it seems >that they got signed to Virgin without actually ever playing a note or at >least without ever playing a live gig. Call me old-fashioned, but that >screams "Manufactured!" to me. They also have a rather flash site at >, where you can find a lot of Flash animations >and a video clip. The clip is in a realaudio video format, used brutal >compression and sounded absolutely awful on my system - but what I >managed to hear sounded more like Natalie Imbruglia than Portishead to my >ears. > >For now I file them under "wait and see". Haven't checked out Lino's site, but did check out their single. Andrew's idea of 'manufactured' may well be right though I'll need to hear the album to be sure. they may turn out to be more listenable 'manufactured' music than most - perhaps bordering on lounge - but the fact that the single has definitely different style versions of the same song on it [so much so i nearly thought the first two tracks were actually totally different songs - i wasn't paying enough attention at the time -silly me] which makes me think 'contrived' - however, will also 'wait and see' - i am hoping to be pleasantly surprised. sometimes these things do work out. [yes, we're going for the optimistic attitude today folks.] http://www.homestead.com/mangled_avocado http://www.homestead.com/mein_bitte "Confusion is set to lead the blind" - Alex Lloyd __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email server is running an evaluation copy of the MailShield anti- spam software. Please contact your email administrator if you have any questions about this message. MailShield product info: www.mailshield.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:53:37 EDT From: Damniel@aol.com Subject: Re: Rickie Lee Jones Question In a message dated 8/3/99 12:23:39 Pacific Daylight Time, Joshua Smith opined and wondered: > Does anyone know what Rickie Lee Jones has been up to lately? Can we > expect a return-to-form album soon after her 1997 miss-step > "Ghostyhead"? Speaking for myself, I know not what she be up to of late but I will eagerly listen to anything she cares to sing. Daniel (The 'm' is silent) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:18:48 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: phil collins cover? Paul writes: >>I'm listening to WPKN, which woj just flipped on, and as Ray Terlaga's last >>song he's playing a stunning cover of Phil Collins' "In The Air Tonight", >>by someone who sounds a lot like Tara MacLean, but I'm not sure. >that would probably be miss Holly McNarland (i believe you can catch a picture of >her with her new baby hanging at the Vancouver Lilith Fair on the lilith web site). It's >on her live EP which came out earlier this year on Universal Records. She's been >doing that as a cover for quite a while in her concerts... Ironically, Tara has a connection to the Collins family, though, as I met his son Simon @ her apartment last year at a small "gathering" of sorts ;) jessica, back after a little ecto-vacation np: sarah slean "high" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:25:58 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: happy in chicago ???!!! At 4:33 PM -0500 8/3/99, Mike Mendelson wrote: > Does she tour with Lo often? How does this work? Does she just >sing the 2 songs and that's it? What else does she sing? And once she is >there, do they ever let her play some of her own stuff? E.g. letting her >open for them would be IDEAL (much the way that english dude let jill >sobule open for him, then she played in his band for his performance). >Anyone have a clue about this? I saw Project Lo twice on the last tour. Happy sang the two songs that were on Black Canvas, plus Warpaint and a David Bowie cover that I can't recall. Maybe one other song too. So you do get a bit of Happy, but it's definitely not the same as a regular Happy show. Perhaps now that Bon has been playing with her, there will be more of her in the shows? neal np: Never Enough (single) - The Cure ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:52:27 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: songs about songwriters One I don't think I've seen mentioned: Barenaked Ladies' "Brian Wilson". (I don't think "Be My Yoko Ono" would quite count.) And perhaps Nirvana's "Pennyroyal Tea": "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld / So I can sigh eternally." n.p.: AMM: "Before driving to the chapel we took coffee with Rick & Jennifer Reed" - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:58:00 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Veda Hille in Europe (was Re: Peter Hammill fans dig Jane!) At 5:15 PM +0200 8/3/99, Marga Taris wrote: >I don't know if this has been mentioned before as I have been a >subscriber for only a little more than a week but lately my attention >was drawn to a songwriter by the name of Alison Faith Levy. I bought her >cd "The Fog Show" which I instantly fell in love with because of her >beautiful piano playing. I'm sure especially Tori Amos (whom she reminds >me of sometimes) fans will appreciate her too although she does have a >style of her own. hey, I was just listening to that album last night! I picked it up at a Loud Family show last year. AFL was playing keyboards and doing back-up vocals with them, and I loved her exuberence and edge. So I was rather surprised when I listened to The Fog Show and didn't hear any of that. Instead, there are stately, piano-heavy songs that I love too, for entirely different reasons. I didn't see any Tori connection besides the obvious (female, piano). Since I managed to get a Projekt catalog forwarded from Baltimore to Albuquerque and back again, I figure it's telling me something, so I think I'll finally pick up the Area discs that they have in there. neal np: The Flat Earth - Thomas Dolby (I should listen to my old stuff more often. This still sounds great.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:42:12 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: ectofest between-set-music contest! cjmacs wrote: > just thought we could have a contest about what music to play over > the p.a. between artists' sets at ectofest! How about a variety of lesser known ectophilic artists, so people will ask "what's that?" and these artists will get a few new fans? By "lesser known" I mean lesser known on the ecto list, not in the world at large. Janine Rae, Annika Bentley, Dana & Karen Kletter, Trina Hamlin... -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@polyamory.org http://www.leftbank.com/CosWeb/ -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ "so you think you're hot shit 'cause of the way you made me shake and shiver I can do that by myself going 20 in the breakdown lane." -- Kris Delmhorst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:02:23 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: ectofest between-set-music contest! On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 11:42:12PM -0400, Ofer Inbar wrote: > cjmacs wrote: > > just thought we could have a contest about what music to play over > > the p.a. between artists' sets at ectofest! > > How about a variety of lesser known ectophilic artists, so people will > ask "what's that?" and these artists will get a few new fans? By > "lesser known" I mean lesser known on the ecto list, not in the world > at large. Janine Rae, Annika Bentley, Dana & Karen Kletter, Trina Hamlin... Sounds like an idea... but you may have ectophiles running back and forth to find out what stuff is, unless you project a Now Playing screen onstage :-) Another thing that might make good intermission music is the Bartlett/Rhodes material, or perhaps the AG ambients... - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:04:16 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: ectofest incidental music At 04:42 PM 8/3/99 -0500, Mike Mendelson wrote: >well, chuck, believe it or not, some excellent between set music would be >almost anything by Kate Bush. I'm particularly partial to The Dreaming. >1) it pays homage to the true source of all things ecto without whom none >of this would be here in the first place, 2) It sounds surprisingly great >blasted through speakers into a crowd, 3) when else would you ever get the >chance to hear it other than in your own living room? I think playing KaTe is a great idea, though I think that perhaps a selection of her material might be better than just playing one album... though if it was going to be just one I think I'd pick Hound of Love/The Ninth Wave over The Dreaming because I think it tends to be more accessible to non-KaTe fans (though I personally like The Dreaming more). Mike np: Kate Bush -- Hounds of Love/The Ninth Wave [I just finished listening to The Dreaming, then started this. It had been a while... I'd almost forgotten just how amazing KaTe is.] nr: nothing atm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:17:56 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Lino [Was: A Piece of String] On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Sue Fechner wrote: >however, will also 'wait and see' - i am hoping to be pleasantly surprised. >sometimes these things do work out. [yes, we're going for the optimistic >attitude today folks.] Well, I still haven't heard the album, but there have been some mentions of Lino (OK, quite a few actually) in the street press. Would that sudden interest be somwhow connected to thme being signed up with Virgin? Nah, surely not, street press gets its cred from being independent, right? :) Anyhow, apparently the single is not necessarily representative of the overall feel of the album, which can only be a good thing from what I've heard so far. Yes, there is hope yet. In the meantime, if you want more music in that style, you can always try Kinetic, who I'm pretty sure will turn out to be more interesting of the two and actually record and go out and play gigs already, despite the fact that they are not signed with anyone... - ------------------------------------------------------ 62,400 repetitions make one truth. - Aldous Huxley - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:42:03 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Splendid/Angie Hart On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Steve I wrote: >Someone (Andrew perhaps?) posted a while back wondering about Splendid / >Angie Hart (Frente). Yep, that was me. Thanks for posting this info, Steve. it's good news all around. >In August they're heading to Australia to promote their new album, "Have >You Got A Name For It," (which has no firm US release date and Mammoth >is kind of up in the air about marketing them). Their Australian fans are >obviously pretty excited about Angie's return to her homeland. Count me among the excited ones! I've been living without Angie for far too long - it must be at least 2 years since I saw her, during the last Frente tour. And nearly 8 years since I saw her first, just before "ordinary angels" became a hit. That first encounter was the day I suddenly discovered that pierced nostrils, far from being vaguely silly as I thought until then, are actually incredibly sexy :) >They'll have their website (www.splendidtheband.com) up There was no site yet when I looked yesterday, but I'll keep checking... - ------------------------------------------------------ 62,400 repetitions make one truth. - Aldous Huxley - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:26:17 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: new Sophie B. Hawkins? val sez: > I haven't heard the CD. It did get a good review in the Village Voice. I > guess the Sony folks were upset that the song "Lose Your Way," the > would-be single from the CD, had banjos in it, which I guess is a no-no > for top 40 radio. She refused to change the song and requested that her > fans write to Sony in favor of banjos. Hunh. Very interesting. Dave Matthews Band has made heavy use of Bela Fleck on their last several albums, and no one could possibly accuse them of not being popular! Besides, look at what REM did for mandolins on top-40 hits...why not banjos? jeff (who _really_ loves banjo...) n.p. "High", Sarah Slean. mmmm. tasty. the drums at the opening make me think of Lamb (just picked up _Fear of Fours_ this morning...I may be on drugs with that comparison, as I was listening to the Lamb disc on an airplane) (hey, Steve, is it really worth bothering to order by mail if it's going to take 4-6 weeks to arrive? when _is_ the album going to be available?) |Jeffrey C. Burka | http://burka.jeffrey.net ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:47:43 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Re: songs about songwriters Hey-- A few more that I could think up: Alanis Morrissette: Your House ("I played your Joni...") Counting Crows: Mr. Jones ("I wanna be Bob Dylan...") Adam Sandler mentions a bunch of 'em in his Hannukah songs...:) On the "Rent" soundtrack they list off a few in "La Vie Boheme" The Commodores: Night Shift (mentions Marvin Gaye) Sheryl Crow: If it makes you happy ("Listen to Coltrane, derail your own train...") KaTe mentions Paganini in "Violin" if I'm not mistaken. Billy Joel: Goodnight Saigon (..."and played our Doors tapes.") Clint Black: All Tuckered Out (the entire song is a series of puns on various country singers' names--cf. the title...) Joan Osborne: Spiderweb ("I dreamed about Ray Charles last night") Tori mentions Neil Gaiman quite often, and I believe Neil had a hand in writing some of the Flash Girls' stuff, so would that count? Garth Brooks mentions the most famous songwriter of all in the title of his song, "Anonymous." :) Hmm... - --Kay np: Dalbello, "She" ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:52:10 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Belated impressions of the Tin Angel show Hi all, After the Philly weekend, my friend in Brooklyn and I took the train up to NYC, where I stayed for a week. So I returned Sunday evening and have been busy catching up on work stuff. Anyway, as promised, here are my impressions of the Happy shows. First of all, great to meet some you guys -- Vickie, Paul (thanks for the glowsticks), Neal (thanks for scoring Steve and I much better seats than we originally had). Next, a preface. I've mentioned my Happy history before, but I'll give a brief recap because it's important to my feelings about the concert. I fell in love with her as soon as "Warpaint" was released in 1991. I eventually found the first four albums and have kept up with her since. (Although I bought "The Keep" a bit late). Despite a long history with her, the this was my first time to see her. Being down in Texas, it's not so easy to get up there to see her. The last few years I've been traveling to NYC quite a bit for work and such, but could never correspond a trip with her concerts. So I was very estatic when I was able to arrange for the Philly shows and subsequent vacation. (Was I the concertgoer who traveled the second-longest distance, after Timm, just to see her?) I hadn't read much about her live shows, except the posts after her appearances last year. I really didn't know what to expect. Heck, until I discovered this list last summer, I thought I was the only person in the world who knew her music. I have to admit, while I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of aspects of her performances, there was a teensy part of me that was slightly disappointed. This has nothing to do with her performance, which was terrific in the first show and merely great in the second. It had more to do with my expectations of seeing a woman I had idolized and had been dying to see live forever. I know this is foolish, but I guess I expected for her to make up to *me* for all those shows that *I* missed. I wanted to hear "Rainkeeper," "The Wretches Gone Awry" "To Live In Your World," "Wrong Century" "Terra Incognita" -- you know, all *my* favorite songs that I have listened to, loved, cried to, etc., for years and years. I go to enough concerts to know that most performers sing material primarily from the newest album. Maybe since MWABT is more than a year old now, I thought the set list wouldn't rely so heavily on that album (even though I love MWABT, it's my second favorite HR CD, after _Warpaint_). And actually, from what I remember of the set lists posted after last years' concerts, she actually did more non-MWABT material this time. I nearly cried when she did "I Have a Heart" and "Look for the Child." And, oh my gosh, I love "Save Our Souls" and "Warpaint", and even though _Building the Colossus_ is my least favorite HR album, "Just Like Tivoli" and "Pride" are my two favorite songs from that album. I kept asking Neal questions. I know Kevin plays guitar, but since I had never seen him, and I knew that was Bon up there on guitar, I wondered if that was Kevin up there on bass. Of course not, silly. I was surprised to see how funny and chatty she was. Gotta admit, I've always had this image of her being quite serious and one of those performers who is so concerned about the music that they don't know how to have fun with the audience. Timm posted most of the funny stuff (such as my favorites, "Glowsticks presents" and the thing about Snake and the Dr. Seuss shirt and smoking lots of pot). The only two other things I can think of is Happy's Roberto Benigni impression in both shows, "make-a love-a to-a you-a under the firmament...." (or something like that); and, well, this wasn't Happy, but Tom, your welder/soderer thing was well timed and very funny. I thought her voice was great, and despite a few tech problems and all her switching from sitting to standing, the overall sound was terrific. The band was fantastic and I especially loved Bon's playing. Since I have never seen her play with Kevin, I have nothing else to compare that to, though (besides, of course, the albums). So, gee, what am I saying here? I loved the concerts and am so glad I finally made the effort to see her. She was fabulous, even if the show didn't totally blow me away like I had expected it to. (This may have had a little to do with the space, also, which was a little too narrow and claustophobic for my taste). I definitely want to see her again though, and will keep praying that Samson gets off their asses and does more to promote her and send her around the country, or world even. Oh, was her hair color that light last year? It was pretty blond here. I always think of her looking just like the _Warpaint_ cover. But come to think of it, her hair color on _Equipoise_ was considerably lighter than the _Warpaint_ hair. Or maybe it's the photo. Any thoughts on Happy's hair through the years? neal copperman wrote: > I'm just curious if I am the only person that isn't bowled over by Mercy > Street? I enjoy Happy's versions, but they strike me as pretty, rather > than moving. PG's version seems plaintive and aching, and I just don't get > that undercurrent of emotion from Happy's cover. Neal and I talked about this. I love the version, mainly because I love Happy and I *love* that song. But in thinking about it, I agree with Neal. She doesn't really come close to Peter's emotion on that song. And you can't really chalk that up to the fact that it isn't her song. After all, Sinead O'Connor showed equal, or more, emotion on "Nothing Compares 2 U" than Prince. Lastly, songs I'd love to hear Happy cover: "Angel in the Morning" Tracy Chapman's "Baby Can I Hold You" Peter Murphy's "Marlene Dietrich's Favourite Poem" And hey, has she ever done the entire "Running Up That Hill", besides the snippet in the _RhodeSongs_ version of "Feed the Fire"? Any other cover ideas for Happy? OK, time for bed, Mark np Warpaint ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:02:32 -0700 From: "Larry G." Subject: Re: songs about songwriters I gotta love Dan Bern's "Song To Bruce [Springsteen]," a scathingly hilarious rip on Dylan's "Song to Woody [Guthrie]" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:30:57 -0500 From: "Owen L. Magee" Subject: Re: songs about songwriters On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 10:02:32PM -0700, Larry G. wrote: > I gotta love Dan Bern's "Song To Bruce [Springsteen]," a scathingly > hilarious rip on Dylan's "Song to Woody [Guthrie]" This does give me the perfect opportunity to mention Dan Bern's "Chick Singers", which mentions quite a lot of...well...female singer-songwriters :) . Completely tasteless song. Classic Dan Bern. Dan Bern's latest album is _Smartie Mine_. I do like Dan Bern and all, but _Smartie Mine_ is just too damn long. 140 minutes long, in fact. A little Dan Bern goes a long way, but over 2 hours of Dan Bern...well...let's just say that I'm probably not going to make it all the way through that album very many times. Even if I treat the 2 CD's separately, that's still 70 minutes to get through, which is still a struggle. Otherwise, though, it is on par with his other albums. It certainly isn't going to win over anybody who hates him, but it should make fans happy if they can stomach it all. Have fun... Owen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:48:38 -0400 From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: songs about songwriters First of all, thanks to all the people who've been responding! When I finally do get around to trying to compile this tape, I'm going to have a lot of listening to do! :) On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 11:47:43PM -0500, Kay S Cleaves wrote: > Alanis Morrissette: Your House ("I played your Joni...") > Counting Crows: Mr. Jones ("I wanna be Bob Dylan...") > Adam Sandler mentions a bunch of 'em in his Hannukah songs...:) > On the "Rent" soundtrack they list off a few in "La Vie Boheme" > The Commodores: Night Shift (mentions Marvin Gaye) > Sheryl Crow: If it makes you happy ("Listen to Coltrane, derail your own > train...") > KaTe mentions Paganini in "Violin" if I'm not mistaken. > Billy Joel: Goodnight Saigon (..."and played our Doors tapes.") > Clint Black: All Tuckered Out (the entire song is a series of puns on > various country singers' names--cf. the title...) > Joan Osborne: Spiderweb ("I dreamed about Ray Charles last night") > Tori mentions Neil Gaiman quite often, and I believe Neil had a hand in > writing some of the Flash Girls' stuff, so would that count? > Garth Brooks mentions the most famous songwriter of all in the title of > his song, "Anonymous." :) There are a lot of songs in this list I don't know, but it *looks* like it's not a list of songs *about* singer/songwriters, but songs that just mention them in passing. To save me tracking these all down and listening to them, is that true? I'm really only looking for songs where either the entire song is primarily about another singer songwriter, or the whole song is written *to* a singer songwriter, or, if it's just mentions in passing, there are a lot of them. And I just realized there is a song that qualifies for my tape that I hadn't thought of before despite the fact that I've had a .sig quote from it for over a year... -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@polyamory.org "Oh, it isn't very hard, the cellar's in the attic and the attic's in the yard Oh, try it now and see, the ocean's in the kitchen and the kitchen's on TV." -- Honest Bob & the Factory to Dealer Incentives, "My Dinner With Laurie" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #262 **************************