From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #241 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, July 18 1999 Volume 05 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Hype [Kay S Cleaves ] The Blair Witch Project - no spoilers (Re: Introducing Hypeless.com [Ther] i'm a loser [sierran@earthlink.net (JoAnn Whetsell)] covering TWW? [neal copperman ] Re: Introducing Hypeless.com [Bill Adler ] Rachael Sage @ the Sidewalk Cafe [jjh969@juno.com] Re: covering TWW? [Mark Lowry ] Re: The Blair Witch Project - no spoilers [Philip David Morgan ] Daemon Records [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: covering TWW? [Neal Copperman ] Re: Introducing Hypeless.com [Neal Copperman ] Re: Um... hi [Jeffrey Burka ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:57:15 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: RE: Hype Hi folks! First of all, I'm wondering if Ms./Mr. Winslow is a member of ecto? The whole long post seems like spam to me. I'd be interested in seeing the full headers of her email, but I am unfortunately on digest. As it seems that we have never heard from Winslow before to the best of my knowledge, I am rather suspicious. Of course, if it is spam, I've seen much worse, as at least this was somewhat appropriate. If it wasn't spam, Winslow, could you please speak up and introduce yourself? Secondly, I find it all rather ironic, as I just finished work on my own site, which happens to be titled "The Hype." I'm sure it's just irony, though, as I doubt Winslow has found it yet. And my site, as of right now, has nothing to do with music, but instead with the media in general and dissecting the issues that they hype. I search for personal homepages on matters of note, and try to provide varying perspectives on sensitive (or not-so-sensitive, just over-hyped) issues. I'm hesitant to insert a plug for it here after my first paragraph, but I do find this all mildly amusing. :) - --Kay (For those of you interested in my take on it, <>) np: Cyndi Lauper, She's so unusual (a random draw from the bins...) nr: far too many backlogged emails... ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:03:50 -0500 From: There is no spoon Subject: The Blair Witch Project - no spoilers (Re: Introducing Hypeless.com At 08:29 PM 7/16/99 -0700, Sue wrote: >On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > >> On the insidiousness of hype and the veracity of supposedly independent >> sources: >> http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/07/16/blair_marketing/index.html > >That was a really fascinating article -- thanks, Joseph! -- but the >interest in THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT is definitely not all studio hype. One >of the advantages to being self-employed is getting to go to a lot of >matinees, and I often see things on opening day. Well, when I arrived at >the theater today for the 12:45 showing of TBWP, was I ever surprised to >see a line around the block. That's something I've never seen before for a >non-holiday weekday matinee! I went to the 5:30pm show last night and it was nearly sold out. The rest of the evening's shows *were* already sold out (and it was showing on 2 screens) and when I went into the theater they were taking down the signs for "Edge of Seventeen" to, I assume, open up a third screen for TBWP. Where ever the hype has come from, it's working. It worked on me. Tom and Nicole can wait...I just had to see The Blair Witch Project on opening day, and I'm glad I did, so now I can stop worrying about seeing spoilers. > In any case, it's a great movie, highly recommended, > and, yes, very scary... What she said folks, what she said. V ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: sierran@earthlink.net (JoAnn Whetsell) Subject: i'm a loser Ok, i admit it. i missed the rachael sage concert last night because the train, which never never NEVER comes on time came on time yesterday, and we were running up the platform just as it was pulling away. the next train wasn't for an hour, so it didn't make any sense. anyway, i hope it was a good show and that i will make it to a concert sometime this summer (so far i'm 0 for 3 tries) and meet some ectophiles. Other news: Thanks Shirley and Kay for your kind responses. I'll get back to you in private sometime. Shirley-- did you get the Kristin Hersh cd? I think I mailed it to you. Maybe we already discussed that, but I was wondering if you got it, liked it, etc. Foghorn: Thank you also. I'll look for the old post, and if I can't find it, I'll write you in private. ummmm, think that's it. JoAnn np: Everything I Need Melissa Ferrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:12:45 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: covering TWW? I was listening to an urban contemporary radio station while driving to work yesterday. After the DJ said something like "now here's some Dion for you", the unmistakable strains of This Woman's Work started up. This cover fit fine in the urban contemporary setting, someone week sounding keyboards (but not that really unbearable fake keyboard sound that I refuse to listen to) and a somewhat lush production. Vocally it headed towards too much, but mostly pulled short. It didn't do much for me on one listen, but it didn't infuriate me either. Anyone have any idea who this is? It's not really Celine Dion, is it? neal just finished drinking cereal from a tupperware for breakfast. I can't wait to pick up the box that contains bowls and spoons today! np: Cordelia's Dog - Cordelia's Dog ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:32:48 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: Introducing Hypeless.com Hmm. I took at look at the Hypeless web site, and there doesn't seem to be anything there...yet. Is this a useful contribution to the music world? I don't know, and while I'm willing to give the site the benefit of the doubt, I do have my concerns. Promoting alternative music is certainly a good thing. But in general I have problems with anonymous music and book reviews. Amazon.com lets readers and listeners review books and music without revealing their identities. If you have a particular bias against an author or musician, or the author or musician's politics, you can write a bad review without the readers knowing anything about your own views. (Several of my author friends have had this happen to them: Bad reviews from people who have an axe to grind. It happened to me, too, for one of my books.) Don't get me wrong -- I believe that anonymity has an important place on the Internet, especially when it comes to protecting people's privacy from corporations and nefarious governments. But when I read a music review I like to know a little about the reviewer or the publication. Maybe I missed something, though. Anybody want to reveal that, in fact, the Ecto list is controlled by Sony and actually receives $1million a year? As they say, time will tell with Hypeless.com. - --Bill n.p. Capercaillie, The Blood is Strong At 10:49 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >What we need is a music web site with an independent >voice. One where there's no schmoozing... no influence >by record labels. A UBL where the band of the week is >not "B*Witched." A newsand events oriented site where >only those voices with something to say are heard. A >news site that is not owned by Sony, or run by >Unigram, or attempting at an IPO. > >Many music sites are owned or run by someone with a >direct interest in a >product. SonicNet and MTV, WallOfSound and Disney, and >now CDnow and >Sony Inc. All magazines are influenced by its >advertisers. Emailed >newsletters contain links and links of ads. And MTV? >Well... > >We need a site where real music really matters. > >http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:50:28 -0500 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Rachael Sage @ the Sidewalk Cafe Hi all, Yow ! It was like Joni Mitchell and Tori Amos got in a bar fight with William Burrows and Sun-Ra. Paul Blair and I saw her show last night, apologies to Paul if I seemed distracted, it was a rough day. I had to skip out of the office to catch the show and was cranked on too much caffeine and too little sleep. Not sure if JoAnn from Jersey made it, we speculated as to whether the very attractive woman at the next table might be her, I had to rush out afterwards to get back to the salt-mines otherwise I might have inquired as to her identity. The only other time I'd seen Rachel previously was under the most hostile of circumstances in a small room off the main space at the Palladium and every time someone came or went, this techno/disco blare came screaming through the door ruining what might have been a memorable performance. As I type I'm listening to a dat Rachael was kind enough to allow me to run and am finding that without the distractions of the Sidewalks raucousness I'm enjoying last night's show even more the second time around. I'll have to dub Paul a copy to see if he agrees. I can't wait for Ectofest ! John ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:46:54 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: covering TWW? neal copperman wrote: > Anyone have any idea who this is? It's not really Celine Dion, is it? Could it have been the Maxwell version? That appears on his Unplugged album, I think. I first heard it about two years ago when I saw a local African-American dance company perform a lovely routine to it. I couldn't figure out who was singing at first, but then I looked in the program, and it was Maxwell. Mark np Mary J. Blige _Share My World_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:53:28 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: The Blair Witch Project - no spoilers Hello, Joseph: > That was a really fascinating article -- thanks, Joseph! -- but the interest > in THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT is definitely not all studio hype.... when I > arrived at the theater today for the 12:45 showing of TBWP, was I ever > surprised to see a line around the block. That's something I've never seen > before for a non-holiday weekday matinee!... ...and Vickie: > I went to the 5:30pm show last night and it was nearly sold out. The rest of > the evening's shows *were* already sold out (and it was showing on 2 > screens)... Where ever the hype has come from, it's working. It worked on > me. Tom and Nicole can wait... Artisan really sold this movie, as they did Wim Wenders' _Buena Vista Social Club_ documentary. (I went to a _packed_ matinee of that one.) For those wondering what all the fuss is about.... http://www.artisanent.com/ Artisan (formerly LIVE or IVE) also set up some webspace for TBWP. Philip David (perhaps the spirit of Stanley Kurbick will be charitable to this bunch) 7/17/1999 - --- http://dianewolkstein.com/ - --- "Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't get eight cats to pull a sled through snow." --Jeff Valdez. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:12:36 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Re: WGTB I moved to Washington, DC in 1980, after WGTB disappeared. I used to listen to WHFS, but HFS has changed over the years. There's hope, yet. The FCC will probably license microradio stations, broadcasting at 1 - 10 watts. In thick cities, these stations will have a range of maybe just a few blocks, but in more rural areas, microradio stations reach should extend several miles. Predictions are that as many as 10,000 microradio stations will populate American, creating a great way for people to discover new music. As I recall, one of the regulations affecting these new radio stations is that most of their air time has to be devoted to original programming. - --Bill At 11:45 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >With all of the Washington, D.C., people on this list, I was wondering >if anyone remembers WGTB, the wonderfully radical, freeform radio >station that was a unique voice of alternative music and politics in the >D.C. area, until the powers that be at the University pulled the plug on >it in 1978. > >I grew up in the D.C. area (Falls Church), and I discovered the WGTB >when I was in the 8th grade. I credit the station with setting me on the >road towards a lifetime love of diverse and obscure music that >eventually led me to all things Ecto. > >Ah, nostalgia.... > >Valerie Richardson Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:59:41 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Daemon Records Hey folks, JoAnn asked: >ps Daemon Records is Amy Ray's (of the indigo girls) label, right? Yup, that's the one. Based in Atlanta, not-for-profit, headed by Amy Ray... :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "Life is something set to music..." - Heather Nova ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:09:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: covering TWW? On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Mark Lowry wrote: > neal copperman wrote: > > > Anyone have any idea who this is? It's not really Celine Dion, is it? > > Could it have been the Maxwell version? That appears on his Unplugged album, I > think. I first heard it about two years ago when I saw a local African-American > dance company perform a lovely routine to it. I couldn't figure out who was > singing at first, but then I looked in the program, and it was Maxwell. I guess it could be. I did some web searching before asking and found references to the Maxwell version. I assumed he was a guy, though I guess it could even be a group. This version seemed very much to be sung by a woman (though there have been a few guys who have misled me on that count too). Does Maxwell sound like a woman? still curious, neal np: traditional music of scotland (green linnet) [Not sure I'd consider Wolfstone or Capercaillie "traditional"] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Introducing Hypeless.com On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Bill Adler wrote: > Hmm. I took at look at the Hypeless web site, and there doesn't seem to be > anything there...yet. Is this a useful contribution to the music world? I > don't know, and while I'm willing to give the site the benefit of the > doubt, I do have my concerns. Boy, you people are so damn generous! Hype read like a typical piece of spam. It seemed like it was mailed to places of likely interest, but like spams we've received in the past about record compilations and promotional offers, it was full of lies and deception. Possibly some of it was true, but once someone poses as a list member, well, that's it for me. (Only mile apologies if the person is a lurker, since an introduction and a list specific message would have been appropriate then). If the basis of ingratiating themselves to us is a lie, why should we believe anything else they say? > Promoting alternative music is certainly a > good thing. But in general I have problems with anonymous music and book > reviews. Amazon.com lets readers and listeners review books and music > without revealing their identities. If you have a particular bias against > an author or musician, or the author or musician's politics, you can write > a bad review without the readers knowing anything about your own > views. (Several of my author friends have had this happen to them: Bad > reviews from people who have an axe to grind. It happened to me, too, for > one of my books.) I don't know about anonymous or not. I don't have a clue about the background and bios of credited reviews either. When I go to Amazon and look at the reviews for a popular book, I'm guaranteed to see hundreds of responses that will probably be fairly evenly split between those claiming the book is a work of genius and those claiming that it is by far the worst drek they have ever read. In these Siskel & Ebert-style, short paragraph reviews, it is virtually impossible to learn anything useful about the book. As near as I can tell, all books are created equal and some generate more reviews than others. Which makes the sight pretty much worthless as an information source. I didn't bother to read the hype spam, but if it turned out to be anything like that, I'd never visit it. (Boy, what a threat. Like my boycott of McDonalds. I find the food unpalatable, so I won't eat there. Not exactly a major sacrifice for me.) > Maybe I missed something, though. Anybody want to reveal that, in fact, > the Ecto list is controlled by Sony and actually receives $1million a year? We all get our checks every October 7th (the anniversary of the birth of Ido Sony, founder of Sony Corporation). Since you are new, you haven't received one yet. (Thanks for joining, my check is now 18 cents smaller :P) Neal np: Traditional Music of Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:56:47 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: Um... hi neal sez: > I'm still getting settled in here (I just moved back to Baltimore and have > been in my apartment for 1 week now), so I don't really have all the > concert listing at my fingertips like I usually do. I believe Melissa > Ferrick will be playing a couple of shows in the next week though. What > days are you going to be here? Just had a peek at sidewalk, and they've got her at Iota on Tuesday. Piffle. No good for me. But anyone in the area, GO! She's so wonderful live... So is there some other date you heard about as well? jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | http://burka.jeffrey.net ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #241 **************************