From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #240 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, July 17 1999 Volume 05 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Um... hi [neal copperman ] Re: Rose Polenzani (and digging into the ecto-past) [JudoEWF@aol.com] Re: Edie Brickell [JudoEWF@aol.com] Re: Um... hi [JudoEWF@aol.com] Introducing Hypeless.com [Miss DIY ] Re: Introducing Hypeless.com [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Introducing Hypeless.com [Sue Trowbridge ] WGTB [Valerie Richardson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:14:17 -0400 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Um... hi At 9:56 AM -0400 7/16/99, Bill Adler wrote: >Ecto is kind of like a family -- except that all the members of this family >have more or less the same musical tastes. That's not quite true for my >actual family; if it were, I'd be on greatRaffisongs.org , my kids' >favorites, or bestloudestrockgroupsofthe70s.org, where my wife would spend >her time. (Truth be told, I list to the Stones quite loudly now and then, >but my heart's with Ecto.) Here's my contribution to the divurging tastes Jeff mentioned (and I already deleted). I've seen Gray Eyed Glances and found them to be decidedly mediocre. Did pretty much nothing for me. I listened to the Eventide album (think that's what it was called) and thought it was pleasant, but I certainly didn't miss it when I mailed it off to Marion. Didn't even bother to tape it. I've seen Rose Polenzani twice now. One of those shows was the house concert that Cos quoted Meth's comments from. I thought both shows were flat and uninspired. I can't say that the songs don't have something too them, cause I never really got into the lyrics, but I wasn't particularly impressed. If it wasn't for the stated high opinions of her around here, I'd never consider seeing her again. As it is now, I doubt I'll go out of my way. I have never heard either of her albums though. More (and fresher) views on these concerts were posted when they happened, so if anyone wanted more details, they must be in the archives somewhere. neal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:23:05 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: Rose Polenzani (and digging into the ecto-past) In a message dated 7/16/99 3:21:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, miazgama@pilot.msu.edu writes: << Thanks for the response to Rose Polenzani. Now I'm really even more excited about this fall, because I've booked her for the coffeehouse I book for (http://www.msu.edu/~cgrounds). In fact, I have a number of ecto-ish, including Brenda Kahn (Oct. 9), Maggie Estep (Oct. 16), Beau Sia (also Oct. 16, and in this case I'm reaching, but he did have that Jewel poetry book parody), Joy Eden Harrison (Sept. 25), Jolie Christine Rickman (Nov. 6), Pepper (Acton) McGowan (Nov. 19), Holly Figeuroa (Oct. 18), and the Indiegrrl Tour (Sept. 18) plus some excellent local ecto-ish artists, like Lori Amey, Half Looking, and Jill Jack. The full schedule is at http://www.msu.edu/~cgrounds/fall99.htm, and I expect to see any ecto listers in or visiting the Michigan area to stop by sometime for a great, cheap concert sometime. And that concludes my cheap plug. >> Gimme an "M"! Gimme an "A"! Gimme an "R"! Gimme a "K"!! What's it spell? MARK! Who? MARK! M-A-R-K! Goooooooooooooooo MARK Miazgamagamagamagama!!! Just a little cheer for my buddy Mark Miazga, whom NOBODY can get his name right, but hey, I understand, my last name is Lukasavitz. :) Stacy, the "other" Michigander ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:28:21 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: Edie Brickell Mark Miazgamagamagama said: >Now, back on the subject... anyone have any info on her current doings? I say: I saw something on her on VH1's "Where are they now?" show and I think she's just hanging out on the beach somewhere with her hubby, Mr. Simon. I remember her saying something like she doesn't even want to do music anymore, she's enjoying her life the way it is. But it was a long time ago, and I think I was drunk at the time and I'm surprised I even remember anything at all. So ... uh... don't quote me on anything. But they show reruns all the time of those kind of shows on VH1, I"m sure someone caught it. Stacy, the absent minded one. np: Melissa Ferrick's "Massive Blur" <-------- how appropriate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:35:32 EDT From: JudoEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: Um... hi In a message dated 7/16/99 10:28:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << Decoding my twisted mind: EWF -> Earth, Wind, and Fire, a band who had the hit "Serpentine Fire" (possibly before you were born) shakuhachi -> a Japanese wind instrument klezmer -> A form of Jewish music, recently hip again in Jazz circles. So: JudoEWF -> Jews (or Japanese) do Earth, Wind and Fire songs. Well, it seemed obvious to me... >> Ok, confession time here. Decoding my twisted life: 1) I know who Earth, Wind, and Fire are, although you're right, they're a little before my time. I'm 20 years old. 2) Judo is a Japanese martial art and I know a LITTLE Japanese; I should have known what a "shakuhachi" was 3) I'm also Jewish, however only by blood. I was not raised that way. So basically, I have no excuse, I'm just a dumbass. Stacy np: "Wonder Why" - Melissa Ferrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Miss DIY Subject: Introducing Hypeless.com What we need is a music web site with an independent voice. One where there's no schmoozing... no influence by record labels. A UBL where the band of the week is not "B*Witched." A newsand events oriented site where only those voices with something to say are heard. A news site that is not owned by Sony, or run by Unigram, or attempting at an IPO. Many music sites are owned or run by someone with a direct interest in a product. SonicNet and MTV, WallOfSound and Disney, and now CDnow and Sony Inc. All magazines are influenced by its advertisers. Emailed newsletters contain links and links of ads. And MTV? Well... We need a site where real music really matters. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Hello, I'm Winslow Leach. And I'd like to introduce Hypeless.com, the site where YOU become an inside source. Where you post your thoughts an opinions under a nom de plume. As a result, you can say anything you'd like. I've been on a number of mailing list for some time (this one included, of course), and there are a select few getting this email, because you care, but mostly because your genre or band is not getting the attention and respect it deserves. We'd like to change that. winslow@hypeless.com For a long time, hypeless.com has heard you gripe about what is not getting enough attention. We know you like good stuff. Here's your chance to talk about it. We officially go live with your news at http://www.hypeless.com July 19, 1999. So far, as a result of mass emailings to industry insiders and fans like yourself, we have gotten hundreds of submissions. News/reviews/stories dealing with U2, Eric Bachmann, Orbital, Kim Deal, Modest Mouse, Chemical Brothers, Sheila Divine, Cafe Tacuba, 2 Lone Swordsmen, Guided By Voices, Sunny Day Real Estate, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, the Killingtons, and many more. We'd like to hear what you have to say. (http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/) I'm asking you to become a founding source for a new web site, a site where what you write is shown to the world and industry insiders... anonymously. winslow@hypeless.com This is the way it works: You hear of some hot news, You hear a record advance, You see a show. You have an encounter with the music industry. Then: You write about it. However you'd like. Rant, poem, punctuationless, spell-checkless, without commas. I don't care, write like you feel. Finally: You submit it to Hypeless, either through the web site: http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ or by emailing me. I recommend emailing me. (winslow@hypeless.com) For the skeptics, I'd like to restate the authenticity of the site. We are not out to make a profit, not out to capitalize on my contributors. Hypeless is a site where insiders can speak honestly about the industry, the music and independence. You get information on tour dates? New albums? Events? Share them with Hypeless. Hypeless.com is an Independent site for new music news. And we'd like to highlight the kind of music you work with and love. Hypeless.com is a site centered around a group of music fans who live within the music industry. We are looking to post news and information about bands and albums with a clear intention: to change the industry. You must give me an alias. NO ONE will know who you are. From now on, you contribute as that alias, contribute to a new paradigm in the industry, contribute to the beginning of the revolution. You become a SOURCE. winslow@hypeless.com Whatever you'd like. I trust you. The world will read your news. Your taste. Your true passions. And they won't know it's you. Ready to change things? Ready to influence thousands of people. Let's do it. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ Below is the FAQ for Hypeless.com. It's a quick rundown of exactly what we're up to. Please contact me with any questions. - -- Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com - ----- :: T h e H y p e l e s s o n _______________________________________ 0:1 :: [FAQ] What is Hypeless? Hypeless is a Web site where you can post any congruent, relevant story you'd like -- and have the world see it. If you'd like, it can be done under an alias, so you are allowed the freedom to say what you'd like. The site is divided up into four categories: News, (P)reviews, Live and Encounters. Pick a category and write your latest experience, maybe a new CD, a live show, a first-person approach -- we'll print it. And please, feel free to write however you'd like. A rant, a couplet, with or without commas. We've misplaced our style books. Sorry. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:2 :: [FAQ] Who posts to Hypeless? The contributors to Hypeless come from all sections of the industry, from the CEO to the consumer. They are journalists, music directors, devout fans, managers, vice presidents and artists themselves. We think. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:3 :: [FAQ] Why should I post to Hypeless? Because other sites are run by amateurs. Check into it. All music bulletin-board type sites allow anyone to post anything. As a result, an intelligent, pointed contribution is lost. That is all you will find at Hypeless. Want to tout your favorite music, an upcoming tour or rant about the industry? Post to Hypeless. Let's say you had an extraordinary concert experience, or a disappointing one. I've got an idea, post to Hypeless. If you'd like to review and album before unethical print mags and misshapen Music Channels get a hold of it, please post to Hypeless. I bet you know something and you'd like to release the information untainted. Am I right? Hmm... Post to Hypeless. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:4 :: [FAQ] What makes Hypeless different from other music sites? Most music sites kowtow to labels for exclusive interviews. Most music sites tread lightly within the industry. Most music sites force-feed you hyped-up, dry information mechanically designed. We're Hypeless. As a contributor to Hypeless, you assert yourself and your tastes. http://www.hypeless.com/contribute/ _______________________________________ 0:5 :: [FAQ] Can I email my contribution? Certainly. Hypeless stakes its entire being on keeping its sources confidential. winslow@hypeless.com. Thanks for your time. Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com Like to help more? Read on: - -- Forward me any email addresses you feel should be a HYPELESS contributor. Vice presidents, your boss, your friends, your enemies. Your addresses will be contacted without any connection to you whatsoever. We send out alphabetized lists from over 700 music sources. You will not be revealed. - -- Float winslow@hypeless.com any considerable information regarding the music business. Press releases, tour dates, release dates, etc. We'll use it in very good taste. Promise. - -- Winslow Leach http://www.hypeless.com - ----- Hypeless is _always_ on: winslow@hypeless.com AOL IM: wiN5LoW ICQ#: 42690349 PAL: winslow@hypeless.com Yahoo! Pager: win5low PowWow: winslow - ----- Don't believe the hype. Believe Hypeless. === - -------------- Winslow Leach, Editor http://www.hypeless.com All music, no hype. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:03:47 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Introducing Hypeless.com Hmm.. seems like quite a barrage of hype for something called "Hypeless". Still, I'm willing to give it a shot and will be interested in how it turns out. Two interesting recent articles: On trustworthiness in online media: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/07/16/1316248&mode=nocomment On the insidiousness of hype and the veracity of supposedly independent sources: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/07/16/blair_marketing/index.html n.p.: Henry Cow: Western Culture n.r.: Theodore Sturgeon: To Marry Medusa - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/~jzitt | | Latest Solo CD: Gentle Entropy http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: Introducing Hypeless.com On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Joseph Zitt wrote: > On the insidiousness of hype and the veracity of supposedly independent > sources: > http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/1999/07/16/blair_marketing/index.html That was a really fascinating article -- thanks, Joseph! -- but the interest in THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT is definitely not all studio hype. One of the advantages to being self-employed is getting to go to a lot of matinees, and I often see things on opening day. Well, when I arrived at the theater today for the 12:45 showing of TBWP, was I ever surprised to see a line around the block. That's something I've never seen before for a non-holiday weekday matinee! In any case, it's a great movie, highly recommended, and, yes, very scary... - --Sue Trowbridge * albany, california trow@slip.net * www.interbridge.com np: Penelope Houston, TONGUE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:45:28 -0400 From: Valerie Richardson Subject: WGTB With all of the Washington, D.C., people on this list, I was wondering if anyone remembers WGTB, the wonderfully radical, freeform radio station that was a unique voice of alternative music and politics in the D.C. area, until the powers that be at the University pulled the plug on it in 1978. I grew up in the D.C. area (Falls Church), and I discovered the WGTB when I was in the 8th grade. I credit the station with setting me on the road towards a lifetime love of diverse and obscure music that eventually led me to all things Ecto. I was pleased to hear an article on All Things Considered this evening about the station in its golden years. I was poking around the internet this evening to see if I could find anymore information about WGTB in the olden days and found an interesting article that was in the Washington City Paper (probably those of you in Washington have already seen this article, http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5296/gtb.html). I thought it was interesting that the station is credited with introducing the producers of The Exorcist to Mike Oldfiend's Tubular Bells. It seems that the production crew for the film heard the music being played on the station when they were filming the movie on the Georgetown University campus, and they decided that it was the sound they wanted for the movie. Ah, nostalgia.... Valerie Richardson ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #240 **************************